Toni Timpa's case was even crueler than that. And he was a WHITE man
That's irrelevant.What's relevant is the victim, George Floyd, and the murderer, Derek Chauvin.That said, yes, Timpa's case is bad but there was no real cruelty involved and the case against the police was thrown out under the doctrine of "qualified immunity" meaning that the cops may have erred but 1) they were not grossly incompetent and 2) they were not attempting to violate the law. This is the judgment in that case. (By the way, this judgment was in July 2020 shortly after Floyd's death.)www.macarthurjustice.org/.../...dgment-Opinion.pdfBack to the Floyd/Chauvin case, Chauvin caused Floyd's death while also violating the law. That was the "Count I" that he was found guilty of by the Minnesota jury in his trial.>>> "Count I, unintentional second-degree murder while committing a felony, "
No real cruelty? Have you seen the video how he died. 10 times crueler than floyd's death
Yes, I did see what happened. It's not the equivalent of Floyd.For instance, the cop said "I hope I didn't kill him." That was not his intent.Chauvin had no such regret. In fact, Chauvin's actions were ALREADY felonious; the murder occurred during the act of that felony. Do you understand that?Try to think about it like this:Smith is robbing a bank.While Smith robs the bank and is trying to escape, he kills a security guard.That's like the Chauvin/Floyd situation. Smith didn't plan on killing the guard, so that's not first-degree murder, but it's second-degree murder and, in this case, during the committing of a felony. That's like Count I that Chauvin was found guilty of.In the Timpa case, that's like a doctor trying to sedate a patient, but was not careful and gave the wrong medication that killed the patient. The doctor did kill but it was not intentional and not in the act of doing something illegal. That's why that case was thrown out under qualified immunity.In both cases, you should read the judges' decisions. I provided hyperlinks to both.
You think Derej intented to kill him?
* sigh * You know... I don't know. But, in other jurisdictions, he would have at least been convicted of criminally negligent homicide which means putting a person in danger and not giving a shit what happens to them. That _IS_ what Chauvin did.
I never saud what Chauvin did was fine
What about Secoriea Turner, the 8 year old girl that was murdered by BLM activists? It didn't get any media coverage.
I didn't hear anything about that I'm sick and tired of watching TV I'm sick and tired of the news I'm sick and tired of people treating people like crap it's like everybody just keeps pushing everybody into a corner and you know what happens when that happens so this is what I see coming downwww.facebook.com/.../ Damn I don't know if this is true or not let's just pretend it is that means the government at fault for killing millions of people what are they going to do he needs a scapegoat they will do anything to take the focus off of them they've already started your bullshit and the media has started your bullshit about race I'm fucking sick and tired of it you need to become one that's the bottom line you need to get it to our heads now because if that means I said is true is going to be chaos
You're absolutely right. It's important to understand that Floyd also had a very long rap sheet. He had a history of getting aggressive with cops, he has a history of being on drugs. The counterfeit $20 was the initial incident, but there was a lot of other background information that led to the way the cops had to treat Floyd. Race likely played somewhat of an issue, but his drug abuse, violent history, repeat offender status, and large stature were more pressing issues.
You make a really interesting point with the counterfeit bill. Although it's hard to extrapolate your Mall experience out to the whole country, or even what happened in Minnesota. Is it possible it's just the cops at the mall you go to frequently? Not trying to be an agonistic, just diligent
@Grond21 Millions of people have non violent interactions with the cops every year though. That includes black people, who are actually over represented in the police force in terms of population percentage. A counterfeit bill isn't typically a violent call... The difference between her experience, Floyd's experience, and the experience of every other person who has been reported for using counterfeit bills is that Floyd is a known repeat violent offender who was tweaked out on drugs.
@FilmGuy93 Yep, agreed. And sorry, my comment was meant for @CrazyGirl2
@Grond21 Hey Grond, I absolutely agree that my experience at (actually two separate malls) cannot be extrapolated across the entire nation. I also acknowledge that my experience is purely anecdotal. But there is something to be said that while I have never been pulled over by the police while driving alone, or with only white friends, I have been pulled over several times when one (or more) of my passengers was black! Most of those were when my gay BFF “Mark” was in the front seat of my bright yellow Jeep. Most insultingly was that I was asked if I was okay? But I remained polite, as did “Mark” and we were on our way. (With no ticket, as I had done nothing illegal). Again, I am fully aware that these are purely anecdotal, but seriously, how many anecdotal police searches, police stops, and questions of “are you alright miss” or “do you personally know this man, miss?” Have to occur before one begins to realize that in certain situations, and in certain neighborhoods, African Americans are “suspicious” merely because they are there! That being said, most of the videos I have seen where African Americans are abused, or mistreated by police, the individual had a terrible attitude! They were rude, or insulting, or even marginally aggressive! But one has got to be blind, or have zero black friends to not realize that black people are stopped more, followed more, and questioned more than pretty blonde white girls!
@CrazyGirl2 Sigh... yeah. I hear you. It sucks, but it is true. Especially in some areas. Things that are very overt and obvious are much less likely to be based on race, like an arrest. But something simple like pulling someone over? I can definitely see that being a result of stereotyping. What makes it extra hard is you don't know if it's this cop, this precinct, this area, or something endemic to cops as a whole.
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They probably thought he was having a panic attack because he didn't want to be arrested. Doesn't change the fact that the media totally manipulated the story and showed it constantly every day.
Google Tony Timpa and read how he was killed.
And I don’t want to hear nothing about how he was a criminal. Y’all wouldn’t bring the same energy if he was white. Numerous examples of when white men have committed absolutely horrific crimes even more horrific than Floyd and have been peacefully arrested 🤷🏽♀️.Some examples I’ll give:Bryan Riley, high on methamphetamines, killed four people he didn’t know, including a baby, a mother and a grandmother before shooting at police and later separately attacking a different officer.Riley lived to see his day in court, even though he was armed and actively murdering people?In Florida, a self-described Trump-supporting white supremacist with a huge swastika tattooed on his chest caused a racist disruption at a restaurant, threatened to sexually assault one woman and then physically attacked another.the suspect, identified as Nicholas Arnold Schock, was carefully eased into the back of a police cruiser.In fact, the restaurant’s employees and patrons used more force than the police did.
@marish01 what happened to him literally proves that the police needs to be reformed. I never once said police brutality doesn’t happen to white people, my point is it happens disproportionately to black people statistically and something needs to be done about it.
Police brutalitu happens disproportionately to MEN statistically. Is this misandry?
Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions. In 2018, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U. S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. A police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.
@haphazard link your study so I can debunk your nonsense
Link all of your statistics, I’ll be waiting
More WHITE MEN are victims of police brutality than WHITE WOMEN.Is this white misandry?
@marish01 stay on topic, your question was asking if George Floyd’s murder was racially motivated
You brought up disproportionate killing as evidence of hate.I knew you would dodge it because you can't say it is misandry when most victims of police brutality are men
Yes, disproportionate killing of black people as compared to white people for police brutality. It’s misandry against black men. I already answered your question even though it was extremely counter intuitive and off topic
It was not off topic. I wanted you to understand your own logic.Once againYOU SAID it was a racially motivated murder because "police brutality happens disproportionately to black people statistically"Your logic is when police brutality happens disproportionately to one group of people statistically then it show hate for that given group of people.That is why I ASKED YOU THIS 👇🏻More WHITE MEN are victims of police brutality than WHITE WOMEN.Is this white misandry?
I said it was a racially motivated murder because this guy had absolutely no other reason to be kneeling on his neck for that long. I’m not houdini, I don’t know what that officer was thinking but if one thing happens too much you get what’s happening especially since america has a history of institutionally criminalizing black men within their criminal justice system. Countless studies have shown that African Americans who enter prison could expect to serve more time than whites for the same exact crimes.The reason why your question is deflective cause you aren’t making any arguments. You just keep asking questions, and whenever I answer said question you just ask another question that’s increasingly off topic and I’m not falling for that logical fallacy. The question was not about “white misandry” it was about black men, in particularly George floyd and if what happened to him was racially motivated. So yes, stay on topic. Another tip is if you’re going to provide statistics cite your evidence, I’ve provided you links to my evidence so if you’re going to make claims than I’m going to expect you to do the same.
Your logic is when police brutality happens disproportionately to one group of people statistically then it show hate for that given group of people.That is why I ASKED YOU THIS More WHITE MEN are victims of police brutality than WHITE WOMEN.Is this white misandry?
You have no argument. Ok, I get it. Stop wasting my time
You have no argument. You realized your logic about the disproportionate number of black people being killed by police is not an indicator of racial motivated murders is flawed. Because the disproportionate number of one group of people does not necessarily mean that there is hatred behind the reasons for killing them.
Says the one that provides no sources for her evidence, and doesn’t even realize I literally cited her plenty of reasonings as to why it had everything to do with race but ok. Whatever helps you sleep at night
What sources? That the most victims of police brutality are men?
While it's true USSS has primary investigative jurisdiction in counterfeiting of money and other US securities, the states as sovereigns have their own laws concerning investigation and prosecution in counterfeit cases. Floyd's case, passing a single note in a store, was well below USSS noise level. The Service simply has not the time, the interest, or the manpower to act as first responders to complaints from merchants about receiving counterfeit money. The police were taking Floyd into custody and he would no doubt have been questioned at the appropriate time at the police station. USSS would likely have been notified once the basic interrogatives were answered. Taking Floyd's photo and ID information and seizing the suspected counterfeit currency sounds like a good idea on the surface, but seizure of anything from anyone without an arrest based on probable cause is legally a really bad idea. And trying to locate the person after the fact is often excessively difficult. Minnesota's statue on counterfeiting of currency is in Chapter 609, Section 632. The Minneapolis Police were fully within their authority to respond, investigate, and take Floyd into custody.
^^^^^ that may be so looking back was it worth it I don't think so not 20 damn dollars
Hindsight is always 20/20.
As well as being the Monday armchair quarterback that I freely admit and ask anybody here I usually never admit to nothing
No waiver, no statement, no polygraph 😉
The left's apetite for protesting, crying and destroying was too big for them to think it was not a racially motivated murder.
The leftist lunatics can't stand the fact that they were fighting for the establishment instead of against it all along. Makes them feel as stupid as they really are. Still terrifying to know how controlled and manipulated the media is in this country. What percent of mainstream media do you think was pushing the racially motivated narrative? ~90%?
Then they bring up slavery, but never how we got the slaves.. we bought some slaves from African kings who, coincidentally, were also black.
I see you watch the news only. When you develop your own thought then come to me. Through hardships and try and error is why we were where we are. Chinese people in California build the railroads, through slavery do you ever hear Chinese people talk about that? No! That’s why China is superpower now. While Africa is in extreme poverty. Chinese Chi says you live in the past you live in anxiety you live in the future you live in nervousness. You live the present you are gifted.
But never the same outrage from media
I'd rather call it bullshit, since that's what it is. The fuck are those arguments, "he looks like a hillbilly"?
I'm not arguing logically. Intuition is not an argument. You're right. My opinion is not very educated on this topic.
Are you talking about Tony Timpa?
@marish01 If my memory is correct, yes. Even tho I'm pretty sure you could find other cases I might be unaware of.
* cop had several run ins
How wpuld it end if he was white?
Him in the back of a police car instead of him on the sidewalk
How do you know?
Never said I did
and i am glad that those of us with a brain voted the same.
Tony Timpa's murderers are free
Why would the police officers want to sacrifice him?
@Flower7 Federal Gov trying to enact biblical prophecy
Moab was one of several cities in Canaan when the Israelites came to conquer. Moab Jericho AI so forth. Trump was Antichrist COVID was the plague (Mark of the beast) Global War Famine
Trust me if it was a white guy with a criminal record 6 pages long that was high as a kite and resisted arrest, he would be up shit creek too. There's a reason they don't tell you any of that stuff.
@haphazard is right. If race entered into the equation at all; it wasn't a big part of the issue.
I have swen videos of white unarmed men being killed by the police