Partly, yes. But I think also that they (and sometimes me as well) get so convinced of our own point of view and the affirmations we hear about on youtube, social media and society that we feel secure in inpposing our view upon others.
We do need to take more responsability overall. It's this generation and that we've grown comfortable with apps and easy ways to do hard things. Dealing with text-conversations and thinking we understand the vibe from text, being overly paranoid because we are used to having so much informstion and illusions of control, instead of having hard talks and practicing trust.
We haven't built up healthy practices is what I am saying.
And that is partly our responsability but it's also the responsability of corporations gaining on keeping us at our screens, governments and media informing us about rising habits that are harmful. (Although birth of social media and the death of the newspaper has sort of killed most mediastandards to become sellouts promoting mistrust and misinformation).
But i am NOT saying this is all men, no, no, no. THIS IS ACROSS THE BOARD. Men, women, eehm .
Frustration, lack of responsability and scewed views of the world are at heart of the problem, in my opinion.
But what's also scewed is the impression we get of people online, I think. Most people comment on things that they feel strongly about which means topics like this one draw out negative feedback, people agreeing or that don't feel taken aback by it usually don't comment as often. So it seems most men are complaining but really it's just most unhappy people hang out on apps and online. The happy ones are living their lives.
I dont think that. I KNOW that because I was doing exactly that in the past for the reason you gave.
It’s the easy way out to blame other people for your problems. It’s been frustrating trying to sort out my shit but that’s the only way I’m going to get better
You descripe the (gag) mgtow incels. Even the comments of many mgtow incels prove your points. I dont even agree with many feminist points but i think it is extremely embarrassing and ridiculous when grown ass up boys-not men- blame all their dating failures on women and feminism. These boys really think feminism emasculate them, destroy their relationships etc. I really want to know how? Because of feminist media? How? This is the same argument about video games that make people violent etc. which is not true. Just be fucking responsible for your failures. No fucking feminist emasculate you, destroy your relationship. It is your choice to become a pussy instead of owning your failures like a real man.
Just because you have bad experience with women, it does not justify your childish way of blaming women for your failures. By your logic all women who experienced sexual assault or harrassment should systematically hate men and i dont know any women who did not get sexually harrassed etc. If you hate western modern women so much, then fuck off to middleeastern where you can live your misogynistic life. I am middleeastern and i really can't stand western men's luxus problems. I am sorry if i offended anyone but i i have enough and i am done with gag incels
By the way people blame women for their bad experience with men since these women may date bad boys but nobody blame men for doing the same. So by this logic, why the hell do you date bad girls but also cry when you had bad experience with women, idiot?
Absolutely. They are always in ‘’victim’’ mode. They always encounter with bad women and everything bad happens to them. They are always innocent and angel side of the story. We know that there are many bad people out there (men and women) but whatever happens we get it as an experience and move on. Of course we feel traumatized and depressed but after some time we get over and continue to our life. We can make mistakes we can trust ‘’wrong’’ people. But after we realize and learn about them we can easily recognize them and avoid those people. There is a quote that, if you made mistake once it is not your fault but if you do it twice it is your fault. So, we must learn something and then try to Choose people who are good to us. But if they choose wrong person over and over again this means that they can not learn something or have some patterns from their childhood and because of that they always Choose those people. I know some people who always complain because they do not know other way these are ‘’children’’ and it is reasonable for them to complain because they do not know other way. But if you are an adult complaining is not your way. You should take the responsibility see your faults and make it better. Life is like that. ‘’Adults’’ do not do these. They are some adults who are convenient to be like children do these all the time.
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Yeah. They don’t want to admit that they are at fault or in any way inadequate or unqualified.
u Are you referring to the MGTOW crowd? Indeed! I call them MFTOCEM (men fixin' their own coffee every morning.)
I would even go as far to say it’s almost country specific.
Until I joined GaG I had never seen such a bunch of moaning fuckwits.
The entire idea of a guy moaning how unfair life is and how those bad women are, is fairly alien to me.
The moment a lot of them start going on and on, you see it’s not the other person, it’s them.
Some are borderline rapists from the bollox they put.
Also as guys they come over as rather pathetic.
While yes this bit is sitting in toxic, when I grew up if anyone mentioned not having a girlfriend, their father, brother would tell them to grow up and get out more, drag them to pub, make them join a club.
Between Incels and the MEOW lot, it gets embarrassing to be a blue on here, some of the utterly stupid posts they come out with.
oh and a lot have these stupid religious ideas or expect at 30 to have a woman that’s never slept with anyone, does not want a career, no tattoos, does not answer back.. etc, then they complain about being single, it’s not the 6th century.
Yes but that don’t mean their points are invalid or that their the only problem. Many men complain about not getting partners because they don’t put forth the effort to look myself included. That’s on me and I recognize it. That being said… you ask a women for a reason to pressure her and she gets defensive. Ask her what she bring to the table you don’t already get from friends, family, work, and life… because she is the table. Ask her a legitimate reason why marriage is worth pursuing and she’ll generally talk down to you… for forbid you complain about anything to do with women you get women like you bitching about men being there problem…
You yourself are a perfect example. I know every time I come in contact with you it’s going to be a blood bath because you can’t politely disagree you have to go full out psychotic and throw around shaming language and insults.
What reason do I have to speak politely to you if I know your going to be rude? What reason do I have to expect anything better from other women if your basing your perceptions of men on what some do? Your like everyone else. A hypocrite.
Yes and no. Although there are indeed some shitty women out there showing unacceptable behavior, there are still men out there who complain not being successful in their love-life while they are not doing much self-improvement to actually be attractive to women, in the first place.
So as much as there is truth to what they say, one could choose to complain all life or choose to. I believe it is fine for a man to choose to remain single, but I still believe he has to work on his life for himself regardless.
Groups like MGTOW actually exist for a reason. Although the group is justified for its existence, unfortunately it consists of bad apples (like any group out there). I respect the men who chose MGTOW after they got burnt by bad women and choose to stay away from relationships while living their life for themselves. I don't respect the men who cry out to how unfair and shallow women are while looking like a total wreck. And this is why the right-wing incel-community dislikes guys like myself who shove some accountability in their throats.
I agree with you I think they were most guys that can't get a date or whatever so they are against all women and I think it's just totally wrong but there is an issue that a lot of men have or boys whatever there's a couple biker organizations and I know guys from each of these organizations and they treat women like shit I mean it's disgusting and they hate women they it starts out with their mother they're raised watching their mother with different guys all the time doing stupid stuff and that's where the hatred starts and then they think every woman in this world is just like their mother and that's just totally wrong and it's uncalled for these men are supposed to be men I do like little boys. Then you have the boys that have never been on a date that avoids been turned down and it's usually because the way they act in the way they talk to girls.
There are guys that have asked me how come they can't get a girlfriend and I say record yourself for one day just listen to yourself you wouldn't even want to go out with you what you think is funny is not funny. What you I think it is okay to say it's not okay to say that. You have no manners you have no couth you have no morals values or ethics your loud mouth dick who would want to go out with you nobody start looking at yourself start listening to yourself as your speaking why do you treat people like that but I agree with you 100% I also think that guys just need to grow up put themselves in that girl's position in her shoes and then ask you why you can't get a date or no girls like you. The need to take responsibility for themselves it's a choice on who they want to be in how they want to treat people if that's your choice they make so be it. But don't call girls names don't put them down because you are not grown up enough to take responsibility for yourself and their actions
whining and complaining accomplishes little. I can agree with you on that. But you need to consider the following:
1). Many women assume they already understand men. The vast majority do NOT understand men nor do they care unless there is something in it for them (they are already attracted to the guy).
2.) Men do not get the luxury of publicly complaining about women and dating without losing face. Way fewer guys post about their dating greavances on social media or in public gatherings. Reason is simple: we look weak and like bitches if we openly express our feelings.
3. Men need to stick their necks out to make something happen in dating. We do the approaching, ask for the number, set up the date, go for the kiss, initiate sex. We risk being rejected (and being labeled a creep) every step of the way.
I don’t see this ever changing. But women can do a better job of respecting the position the man is in. That doesn’t mean acquiescing to what he wants. It just means being respectful. But too many women take the easy way out and: rudely reject, act flaky, ghost, shit talk the guy, etc.
4). Exactly WTF do you mean by “taking responsibility”? There are plenty of self sufficient hard working guys out there who struggle in dating. Exactly WTF what are you talking about?
Yes and.
Most I think won't take responsibility so their problems are exacerbated. That said, many times they also have points.
Like I have some stories about girls I could share that I personally experienced or witness a friend go through that were fuuuucked up.
Me sharing that and highlighting how these girls were clearly wrong wouldn't be hating. But it would be perceived as such and in the overwhelming majority of cases girls don't like to go against their own.
So if you talk about it a girl is gonna defend the girl even at times when it's indefensible. That's where the "and" part comes in on my initial response. Because guys actually go through some shit too and many times girls just do not want to hear it.
To your point yes many bitch without taking responsibility. They also at times have points that are good ones that get overlooked. There are also guys who do take responsibility and have honest issues to mention. Those guys more or less get the shame treatment as a guy "hating" on women when he isn't doing so.
MGTOW are the equivalent to feminists.
Both extremist cults who think that by complaining they can reshape the world to some twisted image they fantasize.
The reality is neither men nor women are going anywhere anytime soon and whether we like or not this world is big enough for all of us.
So yeah I do think a lot of these movements are born as a justification to people's shortcomings. MGTOW are all guys who had a crush on a girl, were too scared to talk to her, saw her hook up with a "bad boy" just because he was alpha enough to make a move, and decided to hate all women to justify being a pussy.
Same way feminists are women who were slackers growing up, became incompetent academically, couldn't get their dream job, decided that it's men's fault that they didn't get hired because of some patriarchy that hasn't existed in over 60 years now.
Everyone is responsible for their own choices and actions and only those who take responsibility manage to improve and turn today's failure into the fuel needed for tomorrow's success.
Totally!
Take the red pill and mgtow groups.
"Women can never be loyal, it's their nature! They will never really live you only what you have."
Translation:
"Since we believe this we have an excuse to cheat first, never really emotionally invest in a relationship or make myself emotionally vulnerable because that's to hard. I must always have a backup in case things go south and since they will never love me, they just want me for what I have and give I can treat them like shit because they will stay anyway."
Literally everything they say can be translated into excuses for bad behavior masked by supposed advices for precaution.
in my opinion hate and love are the same emotion meaning usually those guys either would love to be w/ a woman or loved a woman and had their heart broken. I don't think it has to do as much w/ personal shortcomings as it does w/ inexperience unreasonable expectation, and societal shifts. As women have moved closer toward equality, a lot of men feel threatened because when you've had the advantage so long any move toward equality feels like a disadvantage. I also believe that some is just a skewed perception, as social networking forums are not always a direct reflection of the opinion of a demographic. Gender wars have been going on forever the major difference is so many new platforms to engage in them.
I feel like this at times when being berated, sitting back and realising controlling life is no easy feat!
Choosing a path is no easy feat!
I could blame others for my wrong turns, yet where would I be!
I choose to go my own way, when I feel the time is right!
A lot of females some from (GAG) have made me realise there are decent females out there!
The ones I encounter in person have been somewhat rude and like the idea of men being belittled! It is not my fault if they get hurt, it is not their fault if I cannot find someone!
I could go on but time is getting on and I am quite old for my age! 😅
I wish to start my own life, and hope it can lead to something wonderful!
Pretty much, yea.
That's really more of an online thing. They get online and complain about not getting girls. It's just hiding from the world. I TOTALLY understand that it's not easy for many guys to get dates. But complaining about it online isn't getting them anywhere. It's only going to make it worse.
A guy can actually gain confidence by talking to girls online. Which in turn can give them confidence to do it in real life. But those aren't the guys getting online and complaining.
I'm not trying to put ALL the blame on the guys, but that's what the question was asking about.
Responsibility for what?
Most young women crave abusive shitbags who do not have a future past minimum wage, or welfare and a place in a welfare housing project.
If the bad boy’s knuckles drag on the ground and he has a criminal record, even better in the mind of the girl.
Such young women will reject decent young men, or put them in the Friend Zone.
Those young men are responsible for what?
Being decent human beings and building futures for themselves?
Of wanting a woman to love, not just pump and dump?
Of not being sociopaths?
A good man will not crawl into the gutter to become a bad boy.
I enjoy seeing former carousel riders crying into their cheap wine about ‘where did the good men go’ after they have the epiphany after age 30.
Such women deserve every bit of misery that comes their way.
No. Quite opposite. It's women who will not take responsibility for their actions. Ergo some of the men complain. But thanks for trying to twist reality.
I on the other hand am one of the guys who don't see the point in complaining (I just call a spade a spade). I learned a while ago you can't tell women anything. Generally you just have to let them figure it out for themselves. And if they're stubborn and always think they're right. Well then they never learn. They never grow. And you just have to accept it.
Depends on what it is. I don't get why women have a thing with height but they do. I'm 5'6" and I'm too short for a lot of women. When for me, idc how tall or short she is. I could date someone 4'5" or date someone 6'7". The fact that most relationships anyways are one sided with the man having to do everything to keep the woman not bored cause the moment she is she's gone. It doesn't matter how good the guy can be, or how nice and empathetic he can be. If he isn't commanding, taller, and just generally bigger then he will never keep a relationship or find one
not at all, in fact when I was a young naive blue piller I used to hate blaming on women because I was just as lost and confused as you sound at the moment.
however now after I gotten older and realize what feminism has been all about I now realize that women are part of most of the problems that plague our society today. and what's worst is that they are so pampered and self righteous nowadays that they dont want to realize it
Yes definitely.
It's just so sad.. just cause you had one bad experience or no experience yet, doesn't mean that every women is the same and bad and this awful materialistic gold digger or a whore or whatever
Women are not responsible for your insecurities and hatred, it's on you and your fucking mindset.
No. It's because they're sick of woman not taking responsibility. They'd be happy if women either took responsiblity for themselves, or showed gratitude towards men, but neither of those are the case. So they get fed up and give up on the whole system.
Many women speak like they never hate on men and I know plenty of women in my life that do as they wish to men no matter how it may hurt them and take no accountability for it. This is hardly a gender issue.
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