Lincoln: Progressive. Conservatives killed him and pushed civil rights back 100 years. Kennedy: Progressive. Conservatives killed him and reversed his policy on leaving Vietnam. Could go into the other liberals gunned down…but I’m tired.
Right wingers only seem to know violence.
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Ahh… @Heartache0405 blocked me because he was losing an argument…
Conservatives f*ck things up, Progressives clean it up, right?
Lincoln was a progressive republican for his Era. And im pretty sure majority of today's right wing would have followed him if they were to have lived during his time period.
Also, John Wilkes Booth, who shot and killed Abraham Lincoln in Ford's Theatre, was a democrat and a pro slavery sympathiser.
Just because you consider yourself progressive doesn't mean you're the good guy be default. Definitions aren't litateal. They say one thing to make it come across a certain way and then do a completely different thing. It's quite clever. But those who understand snd recognize the ruse are even cleverer.
Like I said, he was a progressive for his Era. The democrats for his Era weren't progressives. They adopted the idea of progressivism and use it like you are now. To manipulate and make the republicans look bad.
Nah, today's progressives are assholes. For example, claiming that "White privilege" exists which is in and of itself a racist to claim. If progressivism today still means what it did in the 1800s, than why the racism?
So, today's progressives aren't progressives because they don't sing hymns? Perhaps that's because they've accepted that not all people in the country are Christians? Protestant evangelical Christians are estranged from the Democratic party? Are you sure? Maybe they're just not in charge any more. Accepting other people as equals and trying to make up for historical harm is progressive; wasn't the 19th amendment progressive?
It's rather odd that you can only list two presidents (Lincoln and Kennedy) who were in your view "progressive", but then you just make the lame excuse that you're "tired" and that's the reason why you can't name any others. Well, I can name at least two others (FDR and Carter), and as for your claim that "right-wingers only know violence" there were assassination attempts made on Republican presidents as well (ex. Reagan, and yes, Lincoln, who you seem to think was a Democrat). Also, there is no evidence that I'm aware of that Kennedy planned on pulling out of the Vietnam War. In fact, it could even be argued that he was the one responsible for starting it in the first place.
No progressive fuck thing up and conservatives have to clean it up. Example ew York was a mess through out the 70s and 80s John V. Lindsay 1966-1973 Became a Democratic in 1971 Abraham D. Beame Democratic 74-77 Edward I. Koch 78-89 Democratic David N. Dinkins 1990-1993 Democratic Rudy Giuliani republicans and took the city form being a crime infested hell hole to the prosperous city we say in the mid- late 90s and early 2000 until Bill the Blasio came in and screwed everything up again. Now we’re back to the crime wave in the 1970 and 80
I see no difference between conservatives and progressives/neoliberals.
You are both reactionaries. You both hate the poor. You hate the working class. You demonize groups for their skin color. You serve billionaires. You have no critical thinking.
What's actually the difference between you? Conservatives are outspoken about being like you and you're reluctant to admit you're like conservatives?
I totally misread that as "Conservatives were democrats not Republicans" But it amounts to the same thing; keeping slavery was the conservative position, emancipating them was the progressive position. Thus, Lincoln was a progressive Republican.
I don't know, honestly both sides these days could be the same with different intentions. Sadly these different intentions are kinda unclear for me, simply because I have seen far to many news reports and youtube videos of both sides being a piece of shit and actually being useful to America. So could someone tell me whats side is actually trying to do what and can you please send proof?
so progressives never fuck up and throw development back for decades? like this entire gender and racial diversity nonsense throwing racism and sexism back to the levels we had in the 60s for no fucking reason?
i was listing 2 separate things. racism and sexism. i didn't say sexism was racism. i just didn't elaborate on racism, cause most people understand that concept sufficiently.
if affirmative action makes racial inequalities worse, then logically speaking, how can "more" of it make it better?
1) I just wonder why you and conservatives care so much about LGBT issues. They don’t concern you at all. 2) affirmative action is racist. It’s fighting racism from the opposite direction which is needed to equalize things. There’s no way to fix racism.
1) well that's exactly the point. they don't concern most of us, yet it is expected of all of us to care and adapt to whatever it is they want. and they can never get enough. the entitlement knows no end.
2) racism is the inequal treatment on basis of ethnic group. the end does not justify the means. racism is not ok. you can't just discriminate against white people and Asians just to artificially rise the number of black people enrolling, which then leads to more black people ending in poverty, cause they either drop out or fail to find work after anyway. so not only does it harm the other races which in it self is already unjust. it also doesn't even help those that it's supposed to help.
Yeah true on education. But our society has shown in countless research that we marginalize black and Latino students, reject loan apps, or toss their resumes simply by having a black or Latino sounding name.
And lgbt couldn’t care less what you call them. Sure there are asshole gays online but freedom of speech and your idiocy will keep them away from you. So there’s mo reason to be afraid of lgbt laws.
no, we do not "marginalize" black people and espanics. they do that themself, because they live in socio-economic spheres that are autopoietic and not imposed from the outside. it's their habitus that makes them underperform. not opression that comes from anyone else. we could discuss differnt ways to improve this situation for them that might actually work out long term but throwing money at the problem won't fix it and lowering the bar to enterence for higher education won't fix it either.
look i'm not opposed to reducing certain inequalities, cause lowering certain inequalities actually improves a society if you look at individual and subjective quality of life metrics. i think if you want to fix anything, you gotta first name the problem correctly. and the reason we have socio-economic inequalities is not "oppression". there's nobody standing at the gates of harvard saying "sorry, you can't come in cause you're black".
the reality is that someone is litterally currently standing in front of the gates of harvard saying "sorry, you can't come in cause you're Asian and we have too many Asians so to satisfy sjws, we gotta let in some black folks"
i don't care about LGBTQ either. i don't inhibit them in the pursuit of their lifestyle or sexual expression. but i don't want them to demand me to change my perception based on their ideas and use their fantasy words. that's just not a game i wanna play. cause that is dictatorship of the minorities.
it's like: if they wanna live the delusion that they are the opposite gender, good for them. but they can't force me to delude myself just so they can feel good about themself.
no, we do not "marginalize" black people and espanics. they do that themself, because they live in self chosen socio-economic spheres that are autopoietic and not malevolently imposed from the outside. it's their habitus that makes them underperform. not opression that comes from anyone else. we could discuss differnt ways to improve this situation for them that might actually work out long term but throwing money at the problem won't fix it and lowering the bar to enterence for higher education won't fix it either.
1) it isn’t self chosen, its poverty stricken. 2) research has shown everytime that employers disregard names of POC 3) pay day loans are their only source of credit, charging 200-400% interest.
i'm speaking about society, not about individuals.
according to Jürgen Habermas, society is structurally separated into social spheres. there's "some" overlap between those sheres but also clear distinctions and there's not a lot of mobility (or in other words transitioning between those spheres) meaning people thend to stay in thesocio economic context they are born into and they rarely leave those spheres. within those social spheres, people are socialized. they learn a certain "way of life". habits, tastes, preferences, behaviors and templates for success and "how life should be" or short - they develp a habitus.
those spheres are autopoietic and stable and they are not determined or controlled by the surrounding social spheres.
companies are not inherently racist. they don't hesitate to hire you cause you're black. they hesitate, cause they know that people that come from this social sphere tend to underperform, wich is absolutely still true today.
companies want to make money and will hire the person that will most likely make them money, so if black people made them more money than white people, guess what: companies would hire more black people than white people.
it's the same false logic that feminism uses. if women were cheaper for companies, they wouldn't hire men...
and if you actually account for all the different variances that predict the income, then race is not significant, just like gender isn't. education level, work hours, frequency of salary negotiations and such are the relevant factors.
put a white child in such a social sphere and it will perform like a black person. it's not about color of skin. it's all about culture and habitus.
changing a habitus of an entire social sphere is a giant project that can take ages. it's not something you achieve by lowering the bar of entrance or by throwing money at the issue.
you're not fixing them if you assume they are structurally oppressed. they aren't they are oppressing themself. and that "sounds" kind of bad but it's factually true, cause it's their habits, culture and habitus that does this, not the society of white privileged people.
Not sure. But Republicans do seem to love keeping ish that isn't working for the masses intact, and only benefit a few at the top which is why I despise that damn political party.
What do you even get out of this shit? Do you want to find your true friends? I am enemy? I will pose the same question for conservative who posts this type of Q. You want to find something evil in some kindergarten teaching, church-going type so you can say, this is where the evil is in the world? That she voted Trump? Does she hang an American flag on her doorstep? Or maybe you brush past her and say that she is gullible, misguided, but you see the truth? She is just a sheep, but you are not? This has gotten way past old for me. I have some beers if you want to join me.
Sure, I'll bite. What about your present situation gives you the idea that your "clean up crew" is doing anything besides making everything worse? What problems has Biden solved?
Massive infrastructure spending. Upping Covid payments All time low pandemic unemployment Not issuing misinformation on Covid and having a clear and cohesive policy has saved lives
Lmao none of what you've listed has resulted in anything good. The virus has killed more people under Biden than it did under Trump, The Covid payments have caused people to not want to work, the infrastructure spending isn't being supported by any commercial activity. The one point you raised that kind of has some merit is the unemployment, but even that falls flat when you realize that the pandemic low was for NEW unemployment claims.
So YOU might say LMFAO when you've run out of arguments, but I'm saying because you've run out of arguments as well.
of course. This is the case in all countries. Although conservatives are right about very few things, they are taking over all countries for an interesting reason.
well lets check with history... public debt rises with GDP... except during Carter and Clinton. Reagan starts deficit spending with his tax cuts. Clinton balances the budget. Bush destroys the budget. Obama saves us from the economic crash.
@Heartache0405 gas prices go up inflation follows. But he's cleaning up Trump's Covid mess. We'll see if Biden helps or hurts the inflation. Not much any president can do there. Except have a balanced budget.
So you think Trump started the covid mess yet you're giving Biden the benefit of the doubt? 😂 You clearly have a bias against Trump and I have no idea what bitch your fucking told you to have such a bias so that you could continue fucking her.
Cleaning up covid mess? You are delusional 🤣. What policy has he put in place since he took office a year ago to deal with covid? There have been more deaths in 2021 than 2020. The US set 2 world records in daily cases this week.
If you want to mention clean up. San Francisco , the most liberal city in the World has an app to track human faeces so people can avoid it when walking on the streets. Maybe start cleaning up there.
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