Why shouldn’t our society demand the Jab?

[OddBeMe]

If you don’t want the vaxx, stay home.

[WonderBell99]

Everyone in my family is vaccinated, including me (except my grandma) is vaccinated. Vaccines don’t help prevent the spread of infection, they merely help in the weakening of your symptoms. I’d *encourage* people to get the jab, but I won’t force them to do so. People shouldn’t rely on their political inclinations on matters of health. They should make their own, informed decision after thorough research and consulting their physician.

[KatherineJ]

And you are qualified to demand it? Who are you? Are you a doctor? A virologist? Or just a keyboard warrior? I am vaccinated (and boosted), but that was a choice that I made in consultation with my doctor. My body, MY choice! Not yours, or anyone else’s!

[OddBeMe]

Nope, just someone who can read the research.

[KatherineJ]

“The research” my butt. If you were capable of reading “the research”, you would understand that most of it has changed so much that it isn’t worth the ink or paper used to print it. But go ahead and show your fascist tendencies.

[OddBeMe]

Not sure what you’re blathering about but the vax is extreme, y effective against the variants.

[KatherineJ]

It’s effective at lowering the deaths from the virus. It is NOT effective at preventing the SPREAD of the virus, nor will it prevent someone from getting it. Clearly, you lack basic comprehension of the facts.

[OddBeMe]

Wrong again.
www.ndtv.com/.../coronavirus-vaccine-covid-vaccine-covid-vaccine-against-omicron-covid-vaccines-show-high-efficacy-against-severe-omicron-us-data-2722935

[KatherineJ]

“Very high efficacy against severe cases”. It’s right in your article! It doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus, or transmitting it. Not do masks. Go back to the drawing board.

[kyleelyn199723]

@KatherineJ all I can say is thank you for being a vaccinated person that can admit the contradictions going on with the research and not using your vaccination status to act like a stuck up snob regarding other peoples rights

[KatherineJ]

@kyleelyn199723 thanks girl. Every one of us has to make the best informed decisions for ourselves. I don’t judge people based on what they do or do not choose to have put into their bodies.

[OddBeMe]

You’re a special kind of stupid. Read beyond the headline:
“…found that vaccine efficacy against infection waned from 93 percent prior to Delta to around 80 percent“

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 I’d read my linked research before siding with morons

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe you are literally arguing against a vaccinated person right now to prove your dumb point. You have no agenda to make a friendly debate. You only want people to side with you and your opinion and don’t realize that there’s vaccinated people that don’t share your same opinion

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 still not sure your point. Was only correcting your stupidity.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe and what is exactly your point? That if people don’t agree with you 100% then they are wrong? I mean this lady did exactly what you are demanding everyone should do and you are still arguing with her

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe it’s funny because you think I only side with unvaccinated people when I literally told off an unvaccinated girl the other day for considering that “everyone that got the vaccine is untrustworthy” I think this virus has exposed the nut cases in the world

[KatherineJ]

@kyleelyn199723 I’m not engaging with that person anymore. His speech is very concerning, and clearly he has no basis in facts. My husband was in the hospital for two weeks with Delta, and he is vaccinated and boosted.

[kyleelyn199723]

@KatherineJ he is an extremist and honestly the extremist on both sides are ruining the world right now. They just expose how crazy they truly are on a daily basis

[KatherineJ]

@kyleelyn199723 you’re right! Both sides are crazy. Meanwhile, I’m just over here trying to live my life-and be left alone.

[kyleelyn199723]

@KatherineJ agreed and that’s also the majority of the unvaccinated people as well. They want to live their lives and just be left alone. The extremists of the world are the actual problem. Even though I am unvaccinated, I am still friendly with people that are.

[KatherineJ]

@kyleelyn199723 yep. Pro Vax people insulting Vax Skeptics. Leftists insulting Right Wingers. Jesus! Let’s just all live our best lives and leave everyone alone to live theirs!

[kyleelyn199723]

@KatherineJ agreed! It’s because they have no basis of seeing anything from others perspectives and just want to argue until everyone agrees with their selfish perspective.

[KatherineJ]

@kyleelyn199723 yes. And none of them understand that there are people in the middle who are disgusted by all of them.

[kyleelyn199723]

@KatherineJ yep! I’m even more disgusted by the celebrities arguing about it. Privileged people acting like their privileges aren’t above the majority when they are part of the 1% of the world that has the most privileges out of anyone. Howard stern is a perfect example. Boo boo cry me a river you can’t go out of your house even though he has probably a 10 bedroom house and private jet to himself. Plus has probably been out of the house like everyone else. It’s just a bunch of cry me a rivers. Including the unvaccinated celebs that act as if their vaccination status will change a single thing for them

[KatherineJ]

@kyleelyn199723 you got it! Like AOC going down to Florida and partying (maskless) and then crying about getting called out for her hypocrisy. I am done with all of it.

[kyleelyn199723]

Yep just a bunch of cry me a river nonsense. I can’t stand it and any sane person and is on the same boat. We don’t want to argue, we just want choice for both sides

[kyleelyn199723]

But interesting that an unvaccinated and vaccinated person being friendly to each other shut this user right up. That’s how you know what his agenda really is

[KatherineJ]

@kyleelyn199723 exactly! Our lives have been “on hold” for two years, and all of us (all sides) are tired of it. And a good amount of people have probably gotten mental health problems out of it.

[kyleelyn199723]

@KatherineJ Yep! I deal with it on a daily basis working at a restaurant. Crazy angry people. And people asking about my vaccination status as if the government hasn’t discussed that vaccination status is consider confidential unless asked for business reasons. People only listen to the government when it benefits them.

[KatherineJ]

@kyleelyn199723 I work in a school and I won’t even go into the crazy that happens daily. But I definitely sympathize with you dealing with the larger public.

[kyleelyn199723]

@KatherineJ my friend is a school teacher. The stories that she brings up to me are something else. It’s not even the students, it’s their parents

[KatherineJ]

@kyleelyn199723 Some parents are definitely a challenge. But even more than them are the rules that we have had to impose.

[OddBeMe]

Are you two having fun being science skeptics…on the internet

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe it’s so funny that you are willing to still sit here and argue with someone that is vaccinated just because their opinion differs than your opinion. Not everyone needs to agree with your extremist views even though they got vaccinated themselves. That’s the difference between someone doing something for their own body vs someone using their vaccination status to act superior over others

[Anonymous]

Other "developed" countries have implemented similar policies and their handling COVID pretty well and their citizens are not complaining one bit do not think of it as nazism. From what I've heard, there's a vaccine shortage in other countries and people there are desperate to get the "jab" but many cannot get it. Bottom line, you have a choice but you have consequences for your choices.

[OddBeMe]

Boom.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure that Omicron is worth all the fuss, to be honest.
And it's not clear to me how long a vaccination provides cover over and above actually having recovered from COVID itself.
Personally, I've taken everything they offered but I do not like witch hunts. At all.

[OddBeMe]

And I get you. And appreciate you getting vaxxed.

But we’re still in this pandemic because of the unvaxxed, right?

[Opinion Owner]

No, I don't believe we can blame people not getting vaccinated and I hear crowd immunity should have worked by now if it were going to.
We're going to have to learn to live with COVID like we live with flu. People my age get a flu jab each year without panics and lockdown, people die of flu, dementia, heart disease each year, sad but life goes on for everyone else.

[kyleelyn199723]

Because the Jab does absolutely nothing for the current Covid out. All the people I know that have caught Covid are all vaccinated people. Not one single person I know that is unvaccinated caught it including myself.

[OddBeMe]

Have bothered to research at all? Quick google?

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe past research isn’t even accurate anymore. You have them now coming out that the blue masks that everyone has been wearing don’t even work.

[OddBeMe]

Face slap

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe why face slap? Because I don’t agree with your extremist views? Cry me a river

[OddBeMe]

Why do think the research is inaccurate?

[Daniela1982]

Research is run by big money and it can be faked to get that money. Some researcher who doesn't say what they want him to say is out of a job. Aliens have been researched and people don't believe they have been on Earth.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe research has changed over the past TWO years over and over again. I don’t base my life off of what salesman for pharmaceuticals say.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe and honestly, a lot of vaccinated are now catching onto the bullshit too. It’s extremists like YOU that will never admit the flaws because you use your Jab status as a power trip

[Gal67]

@Daniela1982 Oh no, don't bring aliens into it. Unless you're talking about illegal aliens crossing the Rio Grande, because I'm pretty sure that science fiction aliens wouldn't be susceptible to the Chinese virus. Having a radically different biochemistry and all of that.

[OddBeMe]

@Daniela1982 No…scientists compete for funding. If one could find the vaccine does nothing at all and his peers confirm it, he’d get vookoo money. But those “studies” all get debunked.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe please stop talking. You are an extremist. Your idea is to argue with everyone instead of find different perspectives. If you were looking to learn a different perspective, this wouldn’t be your 50000x post about the same exact thing arguing with people over and over again with no means to budge your answers and feelings

[kyleelyn199723]

Finding*

[kyleelyn199723]

Perfect example of an extremist nut case.

[OddBeMe]

At least I’m not a Science denier…on the fcking internet.

[PeterCharlie1991]

I'm vaccinated but each to their own I say , I didn't want it as hates needles jabs but I felt obliged as all my family have had the Jab , felt like I had too , glad I did tho just case I do catch it I might not get severely ill

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe doctors are nothing more than pharmaceutical salesman. Who says I’m a science denier? I’m just not falling for the salesman sales pitch in this situation. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

[kyleelyn199723]

I study a field in college that is all about human body science 🤷🏻‍♀️ can’t say I’m not all about science. I’m just not here for the sales people of science 🤷🏻‍♀️

[oddwaffle]

Because they take up hospital beds and resources that could be used for people who need them! Who cares if they go unvaxxed but when they get sick they take up the bed and that guy who got into a car accident bleeds out waiting for that unvaxxed to recover.

[Daniela1982]

Because we have rights not to, and besides, I don't think it does shit. You on the other hand will be getting jabs the rest of your life every time a new variant comes out. And even with them you will still be dying.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t think driving drunk is dangerous. Fck the science and observable evidence!

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe the way you just pulled something completely irrelevant out of your ass to prove a point LOL

[Gal67]

@kyleelyn199723 He's always pulling something out of his ass! That's all he knows, and I've lost count of the number of times he's used the stupid "drunk driving" analogy, as though it actually makes any sense at all.

[Gal67]

OddBeMe - Yes, you are odd. Very.
The "science" and observable evidence? Really? Where? I've never seen it. Have you? All I've ever come across are politicians and Karens constantly trying to coerce us into being jabbed, with excuses both endless and pathetic.

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 reductio ad absurdum. Drunk driving = unvaccinated

[Gal67]

So... you're actually trying to demonstrate how ridiculous the comparison is?

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 no…I’m showing how ridiculous being unvaxxed is.

[Gal67]

That's actually not an example of reductio ad absurdum. Look, here's a definition for ya! :)
"In argumentation and informal logic, reductio ad absurdum (RAA) is a method of refuting a claim by extending the logic of the opponent's argument to a point of absurdity. Also known as the reductio argument and argumentum ad absurdum."
Source: www.thoughtco.com/reductio-ad-absurdum-argument-1691903
The general idea is to demonstrate the absurdity of your opponent's position, not introduce an absurd example or comparison yourself, which is what you do whenever you equate being unvaxxed with being drunk and in control of a car.

[Daniela1982]

@OddBeMe Not if it's fake news. If the Government, who seems not to care about us, lies to us and covers things up are you actually going to believe them? They said masks stopped it until Fauci said it didn't do anything to help unless it was a totally enclosed face mask. If they were full of shit about that what else are they full of shit about? It's like abortions. You have 2 schools of thought, and no one is going to convince the other side that their view is the right one, the same as Christians and Atheists.

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 it is actually. It’s absurd to get rid of drunk driving laws. Showing that parallels how absurd your claim is that being unvaxxed doesn’t affect me.

[OddBeMe]

@daniela1982 how do you know it’s fake news? Where are your sources of facts?

[Daniela1982]

You see that's just it. If you can't believe the CDC who can you believe?

[OddBeMe]

The cdc is made up of independent scientists around the globe. How do you know there’s a huge conspiracy in that institution.

[Gal67]

OddBeMe - No, it isn't. See the link. You clearly are not familiar with the concept.

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 either way…your claim that vaxxes don’t affect others is wrong, clearly.

[Gal67]

OddBeMe - "... either way..."
So you admit you don't understand the concept, and yet you've been trying (and clearly failing) to use the reductio ad absurdum argument all over the place here. In God's name why?
"... your claim that vaxxes don’t affect others is wrong, clearly".
No, that's not clear at all, and that's just one of the problems here. One of the reasons why so many are so reluctant to get jabbed is the fact that the messaging has been confusing and contradictory.

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 (slaps face)
1) I’m moving on from ad absurdum before I blow my aburdist head off
2) and why is getting drunk regulated?

[Gal67]

Now you're slapping your face. Why? Do you have autism?

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 I’ve asked why do we have drunk driving laws?

[Gal67]

The same reason why we have any laws; to keep us from harming each other. This has nothing to do with the law, however, because being unvaccinated isn't breaking the law, just as being obese isn't either, or smoking.

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 that’s what we’re arguing dummy, the jab should be law. Jesus you’re thick.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe and you are STILL here arguing your extremist views…

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 living is extremist. You can leave my question post anytime.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe I am still getting excessive amounts of notifications from you. It’s hilarious that most people here don’t agree with you and you still argue anyways. Living is not extremists, it’s for nut cases like you. People like you are ruining todays world

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 the more people who agree doesn't mean you're right.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe the difference is vaccinated and unvaccinated people are arguing with YOU. So what does that tell you? You think having extreme views of how things should be is correct? How come you believe in “science” but you don’t believe in human rights?

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe you know who else also had extreme views of the world? Hitler

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 I guess I don't see a vaccine as extreme. Its not even dangerous.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe a vaccine itself is not extreme, it’s not allowing people to have a choice which is extreme.

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 people don't have a choice for a lot things. like drunk driving... as i said.

[kyleelyn199723]

Oddbeme actually drunk driving is a choice. Again, you just pull stuff out of your ass with no thought out into things

[kyleelyn199723]

Put*

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 then so would a vax mandate. you could choose not to follow it.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe the point is, being vaxxed isn’t a mandate. Your opinion of how things should be doesn’t account for anything what so ever. Drunk driving Is a choice. You don’t necessarily get arrested for drunk driving. It can happen, but being in a car drunk doesn’t necessarily mean you are going to get arrested

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 our society has a mandate against drinking and driving, right?

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe actually it’s not a mandate, it’s a law and that is only if you have gotten caught. I have been in cars with people being drunk driving and they didn’t get arrested. Not responsible of me to do, but it’s not a mandate. This is just an analogy that you pulled out of your ass that doesn’t even match up to what you are trying to say

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 looking up "mandate"... um thesaurus says its a law.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe mandate means it’s mandatory , not a law

[kyleelyn199723]

Not necessarily a law*

[kyleelyn199723]

Your analogy doesn’t add up , sorry not sorry

[kyleelyn199723]

You can still live life and get in a car and drive drunk if you would like to.

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 you can still not get a vax. But you won't be allowed to work or be out in public if you're caught

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe that’s called an extremist way of thinking. I can get into my car right now drunk, not necessarily crash or anything and still be able to live my life

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 you can be out without a vax. but if you're caught, just like if you're caught drinking and driving. This is how logic works by the way.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe it’s so funny how you liberals try and act like you are for the people, but then insinuate people aren’t allowed to work and make a living because of what they choose to do with their body. FYI there’s privately owned businesses that could give a rats ass about your views

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe drinking and driving is far worse than not being vaxxed

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 looking up yearly deaths for drunk driving... and yearly deaths for covid... nope covid is worse.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe you realize drunk driving does more than just deaths right?

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe Covid-19 hasn’t even been around enough for you to insinuate it’s worse. Covid-19 has been put on the earth to take out people.

[kyleelyn199723]

Long enough*

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 you're floundering for logic.. and just can't find it.

[kyleelyn199723]

Your extreme views have zero logic. That’s why you argue about them all the time. It’s a power trip for you. If you had any logic , vaccinated people wouldn’t even be arguing against you. I just saw a vaccinated person comment and shut your “logic” right down

[Gal67]

OddBeMe - If you couldn't see that I already knew that, then you're the thick one here.

[Gal67]

@kyleelyn199723 There's no point in discussing anything with 'OddBeMe' because he's too far gone, he can't seem to grasp very simple points, and all he ever does when he's cornered is reintroduce his stupid drink-driving analogy.

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 we already have vax requirements for college dorms and kindergartens.

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe I am currently in college and there is absolutely zero vaxx requirements if you don’t want to take it

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 college dorm?

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe no, but I know other people in big university college dorms that aren’t required. People in college have options. We also don’t have to use dorms. That’s another inconsistent argument you brought into things

[kyleelyn199723]

@gal67 can you believe he made another post regarding his drunk driving analogy for approval of it sounding logical and not one person said that his logic is logical 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[OddBeMe]

@kyleelyn199723 so I have your word or actual proof….
www.ncsl.org/.../...rements-for-college-entry.aspx

[kyleelyn199723]

@OddBeMe I don’t understand how that’s proof for you because it clearly states that a lot of states have medical and religious exemptions

[TheBigGuy9]

It’s much bigger than our health and anyone who thinks at a high level knows so. Taking a virus that has a 99.97% recovery rate and using the media to make it sound like the worst thing in the world. This is designed for us to hate and fight with each other. Start thinking rationally, please.

[kyleelyn199723]

Extremists are ruining our world. This guy is just projecting what the extremists of both sides are actually doing.

[TheBigGuy9]

Yeah, I know too much than I wish I knew

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

the vaxxed are the ones spreading the virus to everyone. Just because you get vaxxed does not mean you cannot get COVID any one of them just a milder personal virus but you the vaxxed walk around and gather like nothing is wrong spreading the virus to other vaxxed people who like all the other vaxxed think they are not the problem walk around spreading the virus to everyone because even with the milder virus you are contagious to everyone the vaxxed and unvaxxed so you are the super spreaders

[WessexJesse]

Isn't it about time our society just grew up, moved on and left people alone to make their own medical choices? It's called informed consent and it's been the cornerstone of medical ethics, at least where I live, for centuries.

[OddBeMe]

No…. then we’d have to leave them alone with their drinking and driving. Is that a good idea?

[DarkWinterNights]

@OddBeMe, You would have an argument if the vaccine stopped the spread. If you have to threaten people to take a shot, then you’ve lost the plot.
Between the shortages, the economy and looming war in Ukraine that could spill out into an international conflict, people need to get prepared for something far worse. Omicron has been a blessing. We could have gotten a much worse mutation.

[OddBeMe]

@DarkWinterNights it does stop the spread 80-90% depending.
www.ndtv.com/.../coronavirus-vaccine-covid-vaccine-covid-vaccine-against-omicron-covid-vaccines-show-high-efficacy-against-severe-omicron-us-data-2722935

[FakeName123]

If you don't want covid, stay home.

See how it goes both ways?

[OddBeMe]

or... get vaxxed.

[Shamalien]

Nobody has the authority to implement such a measure, AND ANYONE THAT CLAIMS THAT AUTHORITY SHOULD BE PUT DOWN LIKE THE NAZI DOG THEY ARE

[OddBeMe]

Anyone threatening others health should be put down and forcibly jabbed. Then put on their way.

[joeldalton]

@Shamalien Amen.

[OddBeMe]

@joeldalton you fucks really will take this to civil war won't you? Its science you dumbasses.

[joeldalton]

@OddBeMe you limp-wrists don’t have the balls.

It’s 100% science that the CEO of Pfizer says these shots offer little to no protection from omicron. You don’t mandate a shot that doesn’t stop the spread. Israel set a record for the highest # of covid cases in a day, and are one of the highest vaxxed countries in the world.

[OddBeMe]

@joeldalton your side said that back in 1861.

[joeldalton]

@OddBeMe back then they weren’t triggered by pancake syrup.

[OddBeMe]

@joeldalton your side was so lazy they went to war to keep slavery.

[joeldalton]

@OddBeMe let’s not forget you’re still whining about a larper in a buffalo hat a year later. And the dems are allowing de facto slave labor to flood the borders. So shut the fuck up about slavery.

[OddBeMe]

@joeldalton mmm…saving immigrant lives from cartels and sex slavery. Maybe we should give them citizenship so they’re not slave labor? No? Then their slavery’s on you.

[joeldalton]

We give legal immigrants citizenship all the time.

[Gal67]

I have a better idea. If you're afraid of catching a little bug, stay at home while the rest of us live our lives without this irrational fear.
Why the hell should I stay at home? Just to please people like you? F*** off!

[Sevenpointfive]

i think if it was a plague then everyone would be shitting their pants but it's not

[OddBeMe]

How many people died in the plague vs Covid?

[Redstang88]

Haven’t looked in a while but I believe the plague took out 30-50% of Europe

[Sevenpointfive]

estimated 25 million just in Europe

[OddBeMe]

And that was in 15 years ish…we’ve already had 5.5 million die in 1.5 years.

[Redstang88]

Looks I was right, as far as I could find it was estimated 30-60% of Europe and Asia died from the plague. Really still gonna try to compare the?

[OddBeMe]

@Redstang88 you think populations were the same back then? Just look at number of deaths. 25 million in 15 years. Covid is at 5 mill in one hear.

[Redstang88]

That’s my point, they weren’t even close. So far covid has less than 1% fatality of those who get it.

[Redstang88]

Honestly dude I’m just baffled. You’re 38 years old, unless you have serious health issue already you have little to no reason to be concerned.

[OddBeMe]

@Redstang88 I’m not concerned about my health…dude. I’m concerned about my economy and the ongoing pandemic

[OddBeMe]

And your lack of math skills is embarrassing. If the plague killed 5 million year there’d be 75 million deaths in 15 years.

[Redstang88]

As am I, that’s why I am so outraged at how this has been handled. The economy is only impacted because of brainwashed dipshits that are allowing these lockdowns and pointless restrictions

[OddBeMe]

@Redstang88 regardless whether the lockdowns hurt or saved lives…we’re living in the now. And the pandemic is being prolonged by antivaxxers.

[Redstang88]

Which is less than 1% of our global population. I was under the impression you were trying to compare covid to bubonic plague. <1% vs 30-60%

[Redstang88]

No, it isn’t. It’s being prolonged by idiots turning against their fellow man. What in gods name makes you think that vaccines will be the end of this?

[OddBeMe]

@Redstang88 polio, smallpox…all cured via vaccines. And as i pointed out…25 million dead in 15 years of the plague, 5 million dead from Covid. In. One. Year.

[Redstang88]

Yes, at 20-30x the population

[Sevenpointfive]

the bubonic plague

[OddBeMe]

the fck you talking about? raw numbers: 25 million dead in 15 years vs 5 million in one year.

[Redstang88]

Yes, 25 million deaths (conservative estimate) from a global population of 3-400 million during the plague vs 5 million from a global population of 8 billion today.

[Daniela1982]

Yeah and in 4 years 6 million Jews died. How big would the overpopulated Earth be if all the millions hadn't died? Bill Gates was wanting the Earth population to be no more than 500 million. Maybe he is behind Covid. He certainly has the money to get it done. Just use some virus or poison everyone with a fake vaccine.

[OddBeMe]

@Daniela1982 @Redstang88 What are you two arguing? Covid is a good thing? The Plague wasn't that bad?

[Redstang88]

Because it doesn’t fuckin work. How long are people gonna keep lying to themselves that any of this shit actually helps anything

[OddBeMe]

If does by 95%.

[Redstang88]

If it worked we wouldn’t still be arguing about this 2 years in. It’s not going anywhere, it’s very minor for the vast majority of the population, time to move on

[OddBeMe]

We are because 40% of society won’t vaxx.

[Redstang88]

It’s less than 10% here and it has made ZERO difference

[OddBeMe]

Your community is 90% vaxxed with at least Two doses?

[Redstang88]

Yeah

[Redstang88]

Already far exceeding the number we were told would mean “herd immunity” and a return to normal. But surprise surprise, it was a load of shit just like every other word from the “experts” since day 1

[OddBeMe]

whats the community? You'll understand if I don't take your word for it. Since the average is 60% with only one dose. Which isn't fully vaxxed.

[Redstang88]

No, I don’t understand your mindset in the slightest

[OddBeMe]

I'm asking what community is 90% vaxxed moron

[Redstang88]

If it’s so effective, how are these “new variants” spreading? Can’t travel without your shots, so by your argument they never should’ve left the countries they started in, correct?

[Redstang88]

Yes I know what you’re and I have no desire to answer. I know their target was 70% and we passed that months ago

[OddBeMe]

So you were lying?

[OddBeMe]

Variants are spreading because 40% of the communities are anti vax and infection others. The vaxxed aren’t threatened by that necessarily. Our economy is threatened by you fcks.

[Redstang88]

No, its damn close to 90 if not over. My point is we’re long past the number we were told would mean the end of this.
And the variants have come from other countries. Seeing as you cannot travel without your shots, if they worked they wouldn’t have spread.
The economy is threatened by lockdowns, which are due to government orders restrictions, not people trying to lived their lives in peace

[OddBeMe]

Then why can’t you tell me which community?

[Redstang88]

Says in my profile

[OddBeMe]

Yeah, knew you were a fckin liar.

[Redstang88]

50,000 trucks headed to Ottawa in protest of lockdowns and mandates
#convoy 🤟

[OddBeMe]

great! protest against saving lives.

[shortster]

Because forced medical procedures is a human rights violation it violated international law and many countries also have laws against it.

[OddBeMe]

It’s not forced. We’re just requiring it for you to be in public.

[shortster]

If it is required to be in public then it is being forced on people. House arrest is still being arrested.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry that’s not correct. Stay home and stay unvaxxed. Your choice

[shortster]

That is considered wrongful imprisonment.

[OddBeMe]

You’re doing it to yourself

[shortster]

No, that would be the government.

[joeldalton]

lol, you don’t even believe the bullshit at this point.

[Jintendo18]

What do you mean? Not a single vaccine in the more than 200 years that we’ve been using them has worked, so what makes this one any different?

[Juxtapose]

"My body, my choice" only matters when it's convenient for you, huh?

[OddBeMe]

It is your choice. But irs our choice to allow you in public.

[KatherineJ]

Allow?

[OddBeMe]

@KatherineJ yeah. Like any other undesirables dangerous to communities.

[KatherineJ]

@OddBeMe “undesirables”. You sound like a Nazi. I don’t engage with Nazis.

[Juxtapose]

I am not less of a citizen just because I don't bend the knee! Deplorable!

[OddBeMe]

Didn’t say you were. But like drunk drivers, we will isolate dangers to our society.

[Juxtapose]

Drunk drivers are put in prison my guy.

[Juxtapose]

Besides, if your vaccines are so effective then why are you scared of the unvaccinated?

[OddBeMe]

Oh @Juxtapose…I thought you were smarter. The economy isn’t immune from dummy. That’s what I’m kissed about.

[Juxtapose]

If we want the economy back then we can stop firing critical staff during a pandemic and also stop these ridiculous lockdowns.

Gen Z is getting thoroughly robbed of their education as well. My last girlfriend was quite young and in her senior year (19 years old assholes) she cheated on almost every assignment. My smoking buddy's kids have also lost a lot of school and they are just not learning as well away from school.

An out of state friend of mine went from having two furniture stores to having none. He could have accumulated a few million more.

This has been the largest transfer of wealth to the upper class in America's history.

[awkward_author]

Some people can't get vaccinated for valid reasons.

[Reijen]

If you want it, take it. Then everyone can go about their business like before.

[dubcuda]

Why shouldn’t our society demand they cut your feet off?

[OddBeMe]

And what good would that do?

[anylolone]

I don't know, the constitution delineates what the government can and can't do.

[Anonymous]

Why bother if it doesn't help stop the spread of covid?

[OddBeMe]

It does. By 95%.

[Slingblade1126]

WRONG! You need to do more research. The vaccines were NEVER close to being 95% effective. Sure, that's the bs you were fed in the beginning but it was never true.

[OddBeMe]

@Slingblade1126 sorry, 94%
www.ndtv.com/.../coronavirus-vaccine-covid-vaccine-covid-vaccine-against-omicron-covid-vaccines-show-high-efficacy-against-severe-omicron-us-data-2722935

[Slingblade1126]

If you actually read the article, it is "hospitalizations", NOT effectiveness of contracting covid. Also, there are a lot of variables. With Omicron the vaccines are basically ineffective.

[OddBeMe]

@Slingblade1126 no that’s a separate effficacy of 81%. You fcks really are stupid

[Slingblade1126]

Obviously you didn't even bother reading your own fucking article. Jesus Christ!

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 "Vaccine efficacy against infection fell to 68 percent by the time Omicron emerged." Which is still better than annual flu vaccines, and a hell of a lot better than nothing.

[Sargentcaptain]

'why should people have rights?'

[OddBeMe]

They do. At home

[Sargentcaptain]

So, you know, like, if you don't wanna get sick, stay the fuck home kinda thing, right? That way everyone has rights.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah! The paranoid people can stay at home while the rest of us live our lives.

[OddBeMe]

If I don’t want to get hit by a drunk driver, I shouldn’t drive. So we should allow drunk driving.

[Sargentcaptain]

You're assuming that every person who isn't a pathetic baby demanding that other people should have their basic human rights trampled on is a drunk driver, while people with a working brain understand that there's a difference between a drunk driver and a person who just wants to have their rights respected.
Oh and the pathetic babies here also have a good chance of being drunk drivers themselves too. Funny how that works out.

[notwoke]

it's good way to weed the idiots out of society

[kyleelyn199723]

So people wanting to do what they want with their bodies makes them idiots? What’s the excuse for people that eat McDonald’s everyday? Are those people idiots too?

[notwoke]

@kyleelyn199723 yes, exactly, stupid people killing themselves, reducing the burden they create on intelligent folks who have to pay taxes to subsidize their existence as well as be put at risk by their stupid actions. I wish them luck in killing themselves off faster and hope they can be successful before they breed

[Slingblade1126]

Everyday it's showing the vaccines are useless. It's literally to the point where the antivaxers are getting blamed for the vaccines not working.

[notwoke]

@Slingblade1126 your statement is false. A highly disproportionate number of deaths are among the unvaccinated

[kyleelyn199723]

@notwoke that statement would’ve been valid about , like last year. This vaccine does nothing for the current variant out and about

[notwoke]

@kyleelyn199723 vaccines?
“The mild to moderate course of illness suggests that full vaccination followed by a booster dose still provides good protection against severe disease caused by Omicron,” but hey, I'm sure 99% of doctors are wrong and some keyboard warrior is correct

[kyleelyn199723]

Says the one being a key board warrior also.

[kyleelyn199723]

You think every doctor agrees with the vaccine? LOL

[Slingblade1126]

How many of the unvaccinated are being hospitalized due to Omicron?

[kyleelyn199723]

@slingblade1126 people forget that doctors are salesman for pharmaceuticals

[SecretsofKB]

@kyleelyn199723

Actually, in the last month, I've only had 1 vaccinated Covid posititve patient in my ICU. They have since been discharged. The rest of my Covid patients have been unvaccinated.

[kyleelyn199723]

@SecretsofKB correct, but even then vaccinated people are still getting the virus. I’m not sure why people are so concerned about others getting hospitalized. If they want to put themselves at a bigger measure, that’s their personal right too. Vaccinated people are still spreaders of the virus regardless if they are vaccinated

[kyleelyn199723]

On top of the fact, that those people are probably not in good health and do not take care of their bodies to begin with

[SecretsofKB]

@kyleelyn199723

So the point is that others should care about others being hospitalized.

We are currently full. No beds left in my ICU. The ER has 2 Covid patients and a cardiac patient in rooms waiting on one of my ICU beds to open up.

That's the problem. We are overwhelmed. And I'm not even in a big city.

I'm not going to sit here and force anyone to get the vaccine. But I'll sit here and urge you to get it if it means it will keep you out of my hospital. Sure, you get the virus, but you're not taking up my beds.

If you were to get into a serious car accident right now, sorry, but we don't have a bed for you.

[notwoke]

@SecretsofKB Like I said, it's killing a disproportionate number of people with shit for brains who can't get a vaccine even though they've had polio, measles and 10 other vaccine's. This is good of the rest of us in the long term because they won't pass on stupid genes

[kyleelyn199723]

@SecretsofKB but what you aren’t mentioning is that there’s a huge amount of unvaccinated not catching the virus and fighting off the virus without being hospitalized because they are healthy. And that is the majority

[notwoke]

@kyleelyn199723 everybody's not getting cancer from smoking either

[kyleelyn199723]

@notwoke and that’s someone’s choice if they want to smoke or not. How many people still smoke anyways?

[SecretsofKB]

@kyleelyn199723

Sure. There's plenty of people that may not end up in the hospital, but there are still too many that do end up there. More then what we can handle.

If we can lower they overall amount of people getting the virus, we can lower the amount of people ending up in the hospital.

[kyleelyn199723]

@secretofKB the majority are not ending up in the hospital though, so if people feel like they are healthy enough, I’m not really understanding the point. If people want to chance that, that’s on them. I know for a fact I take great care of myself as many others do also. If someone wants to take that chance, that should be on them. I understand you are overwhelmed yourself as you have said before, but that shouldn’t be a stance for you to think people shouldn’t have a choice

[SecretsofKB]

@kyleelyn199723

I've never said that it should be forced on people.

In school, I was taught that you can't make anyone do anything they don't want to do. And I believe that.

So all I try to do is appeal to people and explain that getting the vaccine can limit your chance at being hospitalized. That will keep one more person out of the hospital and free up space for other Covid patients or patients with other serious conditions.

[kyleelyn199723]

@SecretsofKB I understand that , but this whole post is an extremist post insinuating all people should get vaccinated or else and I just don’t believe in that way of life. Kudos to people that have gotten vaccinated and good for them, but there’s others that choose to live life a little differently and that should be okay also.

[SecretsofKB]

@kyleelyn199723

Yeah, I know. And I personally don't agree with forcing the vaccination either.

I just wanted to appeal to you because of what you were saying about the vaccine and who is or isn't being hospitalized.

That and you at least I thought you would entertain what I had to say. The ones who want to "force the jab" would definitely not when I say not to force it.

[kyleelyn199723]

@SecretsofKB I think you at least have a good perspective vs the original commenter that wants to argue with facts and facts and facts instead of just realizing that this post is an extremist. I mean look at his cigarette smoking analogy.

[kyleelyn199723]

And also what people are failing to acknowledge is the vast majority of unvaccinated are not in the hospital

[SecretsofKB]

@kyleelyn199723

Yeah, I wasn't sure where the smoking thing was going either.

Thanks for being civil with me.

[Slingblade1126]

@SecretsofKB you are definitely a voice of reason and kyleelyn199723 seems like a lovely person also. It was a nice back and forth between you two.

[kyleelyn199723]

@secretofKB absolutely! I am not an extremist and I think the most civil people are not extremist. The owner of the question however has a history of being nasty to people for his views and it’s just a projection of the rest of the world that has extreme views of either side. I respect every single nurse /doctor and I know it’s been a TON of stress all around for them. I watched it 2 weeks ago when I got sick and had to get tested numerous times. Thankfully I didn’t have Covid but I saw how overwhelmed pharmacies and walk ins were alone, nvm even the hospitals

[kyleelyn199723]

And thank you ! @slingblade I have no intentions to hurt people while chatting and that’s how everyone should be and act like

[SecretsofKB]

@kyleelyn199723

Yeah, anyone that takes any idea too far in any direction always makes me uncomfortable.

And yeah, now is not the time to be a healthcare worker. Take it from me.

[TsAubreyKate]

Pretty sure I’m immune

[msc545]

exactly.

[TheAfrikan]

My life ma choice

[OddBeMe]

It’s the others life you’re infecting

[TheAfrikan]

Incase of that I keep making mask on and I do take foods which keep my immunity safe and strong.