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Everyone in my family is vaccinated, including me (except my grandma) is vaccinated. Vaccines don’t help prevent the spread of infection, they merely help in the weakening of your symptoms. I’d *encourage* people to get the jab, but I won’t force them to do so. People shouldn’t rely on their political inclinations on matters of health. They should make their own, informed decision after thorough research and consulting their physician.
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And you are qualified to demand it? Who are you? Are you a doctor? A virologist? Or just a keyboard warrior? I am vaccinated (and boosted), but that was a choice that I made in consultation with my doctor. My body, MY choice! Not yours, or anyone else’s!
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“The research” my butt. If you were capable of reading “the research”, you would understand that most of it has changed so much that it isn’t worth the ink or paper used to print it. But go ahead and show your fascist tendencies.
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It’s effective at lowering the deaths from the virus. It is NOT effective at preventing the SPREAD of the virus, nor will it prevent someone from getting it. Clearly, you lack basic comprehension of the facts.
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“Very high efficacy against severe cases”. It’s right in your article! It doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus, or transmitting it. Not do masks. Go back to the drawing board.
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@KatherineJ all I can say is thank you for being a vaccinated person that can admit the contradictions going on with the research and not using your vaccination status to act like a stuck up snob regarding other peoples rights
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@kyleelyn199723 thanks girl. Every one of us has to make the best informed decisions for ourselves. I don’t judge people based on what they do or do not choose to have put into their bodies.
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@kyleelyn199723 I’m not engaging with that person anymore. His speech is very concerning, and clearly he has no basis in facts. My husband was in the hospital for two weeks with Delta, and he is vaccinated and boosted.
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@KatherineJ he is an extremist and honestly the extremist on both sides are ruining the world right now. They just expose how crazy they truly are on a daily basis
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@kyleelyn199723 you’re right! Both sides are crazy. Meanwhile, I’m just over here trying to live my life-and be left alone.
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@KatherineJ agreed and that’s also the majority of the unvaccinated people as well. They want to live their lives and just be left alone. The extremists of the world are the actual problem. Even though I am unvaccinated, I am still friendly with people that are.
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@kyleelyn199723 yep. Pro Vax people insulting Vax Skeptics. Leftists insulting Right Wingers. Jesus! Let’s just all live our best lives and leave everyone alone to live theirs!
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@KatherineJ agreed! It’s because they have no basis of seeing anything from others perspectives and just want to argue until everyone agrees with their selfish perspective.
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@kyleelyn199723 yes. And none of them understand that there are people in the middle who are disgusted by all of them.
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@KatherineJ yep! I’m even more disgusted by the celebrities arguing about it. Privileged people acting like their privileges aren’t above the majority when they are part of the 1% of the world that has the most privileges out of anyone. Howard stern is a perfect example. Boo boo cry me a river you can’t go out of your house even though he has probably a 10 bedroom house and private jet to himself. Plus has probably been out of the house like everyone else. It’s just a bunch of cry me a rivers. Including the unvaccinated celebs that act as if their vaccination status will change a single thing for them
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@kyleelyn199723 you got it! Like AOC going down to Florida and partying (maskless) and then crying about getting called out for her hypocrisy. I am done with all of it.
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Yep just a bunch of cry me a river nonsense. I can’t stand it and any sane person and is on the same boat. We don’t want to argue, we just want choice for both sides
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But interesting that an unvaccinated and vaccinated person being friendly to each other shut this user right up. That’s how you know what his agenda really is
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@kyleelyn199723 exactly! Our lives have been “on hold” for two years, and all of us (all sides) are tired of it. And a good amount of people have probably gotten mental health problems out of it.
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@KatherineJ Yep! I deal with it on a daily basis working at a restaurant. Crazy angry people. And people asking about my vaccination status as if the government hasn’t discussed that vaccination status is consider confidential unless asked for business reasons. People only listen to the government when it benefits them.
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@kyleelyn199723 I work in a school and I won’t even go into the crazy that happens daily. But I definitely sympathize with you dealing with the larger public.
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@KatherineJ my friend is a school teacher. The stories that she brings up to me are something else. It’s not even the students, it’s their parents
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@kyleelyn199723 Some parents are definitely a challenge. But even more than them are the rules that we have had to impose.
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@OddBeMe it’s so funny that you are willing to still sit here and argue with someone that is vaccinated just because their opinion differs than your opinion. Not everyone needs to agree with your extremist views even though they got vaccinated themselves. That’s the difference between someone doing something for their own body vs someone using their vaccination status to act superior over others
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Other "developed" countries have implemented similar policies and their handling COVID pretty well and their citizens are not complaining one bit do not think of it as nazism. From what I've heard, there's a vaccine shortage in other countries and people there are desperate to get the "jab" but many cannot get it. Bottom line, you have a choice but you have consequences for your choices.
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I'm not sure that Omicron is worth all the fuss, to be honest.
And it's not clear to me how long a vaccination provides cover over and above actually having recovered from COVID itself.
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No, I don't believe we can blame people not getting vaccinated and I hear crowd immunity should have worked by now if it were going to.
We're going to have to learn to live with COVID like we live with flu. People my age get a flu jab each year without panics and lockdown, people die of flu, dementia, heart disease each year, sad but life goes on for everyone else.
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Because the Jab does absolutely nothing for the current Covid out. All the people I know that have caught Covid are all vaccinated people. Not one single person I know that is unvaccinated caught it including myself.
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Research is run by big money and it can be faked to get that money. Some researcher who doesn't say what they want him to say is out of a job. Aliens have been researched and people don't believe they have been on Earth.
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@OddBeMe please stop talking. You are an extremist. Your idea is to argue with everyone instead of find different perspectives. If you were looking to learn a different perspective, this wouldn’t be your 50000x post about the same exact thing arguing with people over and over again with no means to budge your answers and feelings
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Perfect example of an extremist nut case.
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I'm vaccinated but each to their own I say , I didn't want it as hates needles jabs but I felt obliged as all my family have had the Jab , felt like I had too , glad I did tho just case I do catch it I might not get severely ill
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I study a field in college that is all about human body science 🤷🏻♀️ can’t say I’m not all about science. I’m just not here for the sales people of science 🤷🏻♀️
1.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because they take up hospital beds and resources that could be used for people who need them! Who cares if they go unvaxxed but when they get sick they take up the bed and that guy who got into a car accident bleeds out waiting for that unvaxxed to recover.
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Because we have rights not to, and besides, I don't think it does shit. You on the other hand will be getting jabs the rest of your life every time a new variant comes out. And even with them you will still be dying.
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That's actually not an example of reductio ad absurdum. Look, here's a definition for ya! :)
"In argumentation and informal logic, reductio ad absurdum (RAA) is a method of refuting a claim by extending the logic of the opponent's argument to a point of absurdity. Also known as the reductio argument and argumentum ad absurdum."
Source: www.thoughtco.com/reductio-ad-absurdum-argument-1691903
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@OddBeMe Not if it's fake news. If the Government, who seems not to care about us, lies to us and covers things up are you actually going to believe them? They said masks stopped it until Fauci said it didn't do anything to help unless it was a totally enclosed face mask. If they were full of shit about that what else are they full of shit about? It's like abortions. You have 2 schools of thought, and no one is going to convince the other side that their view is the right one, the same as Christians and Atheists.
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You see that's just it. If you can't believe the CDC who can you believe?
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OddBeMe - "... either way..."
So you admit you don't understand the concept, and yet you've been trying (and clearly failing) to use the reductio ad absurdum argument all over the place here. In God's name why?
"... your claim that vaxxes don’t affect others is wrong, clearly".
No, that's not clear at all, and that's just one of the problems here. One of the reasons why so many are so reluctant to get jabbed is the fact that the messaging has been confusing and contradictory.
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Oddbeme actually drunk driving is a choice. Again, you just pull stuff out of your ass with no thought out into things
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@OddBeMe the point is, being vaxxed isn’t a mandate. Your opinion of how things should be doesn’t account for anything what so ever. Drunk driving Is a choice. You don’t necessarily get arrested for drunk driving. It can happen, but being in a car drunk doesn’t necessarily mean you are going to get arrested
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@OddBeMe actually it’s not a mandate, it’s a law and that is only if you have gotten caught. I have been in cars with people being drunk driving and they didn’t get arrested. Not responsible of me to do, but it’s not a mandate. This is just an analogy that you pulled out of your ass that doesn’t even match up to what you are trying to say
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Your analogy doesn’t add up , sorry not sorry
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You can still live life and get in a car and drive drunk if you would like to.
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Your extreme views have zero logic. That’s why you argue about them all the time. It’s a power trip for you. If you had any logic , vaccinated people wouldn’t even be arguing against you. I just saw a vaccinated person comment and shut your “logic” right down
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@gal67 can you believe he made another post regarding his drunk driving analogy for approval of it sounding logical and not one person said that his logic is logical 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@kyleelyn199723 so I have your word or actual proof….
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It’s much bigger than our health and anyone who thinks at a high level knows so. Taking a virus that has a 99.97% recovery rate and using the media to make it sound like the worst thing in the world. This is designed for us to hate and fight with each other. Start thinking rationally, please.
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Extremists are ruining our world. This guy is just projecting what the extremists of both sides are actually doing.
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Yeah, I know too much than I wish I knew
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the vaxxed are the ones spreading the virus to everyone. Just because you get vaxxed does not mean you cannot get COVID any one of them just a milder personal virus but you the vaxxed walk around and gather like nothing is wrong spreading the virus to other vaxxed people who like all the other vaxxed think they are not the problem walk around spreading the virus to everyone because even with the milder virus you are contagious to everyone the vaxxed and unvaxxed so you are the super spreaders
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Isn't it about time our society just grew up, moved on and left people alone to make their own medical choices? It's called informed consent and it's been the cornerstone of medical ethics, at least where I live, for centuries.
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@OddBeMe, You would have an argument if the vaccine stopped the spread. If you have to threaten people to take a shot, then you’ve lost the plot.
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If you don't want covid, stay home.
See how it goes both ways?31 Reply I have a better idea. If you're afraid of catching a little bug, stay at home while the rest of us live our lives without this irrational fear.
Why the hell should I stay at home? Just to please people like you? F*** off!10 Reply- +1 y
i think if it was a plague then everyone would be shitting their pants but it's not
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Haven’t looked in a while but I believe the plague took out 30-50% of Europe
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estimated 25 million just in Europe
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Looks I was right, as far as I could find it was estimated 30-60% of Europe and Asia died from the plague. Really still gonna try to compare the?
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@Redstang88 you think populations were the same back then? Just look at number of deaths. 25 million in 15 years. Covid is at 5 mill in one hear.
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That’s my point, they weren’t even close. So far covid has less than 1% fatality of those who get it.
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Honestly dude I’m just baffled. You’re 38 years old, unless you have serious health issue already you have little to no reason to be concerned.
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@Redstang88 I’m not concerned about my health…dude. I’m concerned about my economy and the ongoing pandemic
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As am I, that’s why I am so outraged at how this has been handled. The economy is only impacted because of brainwashed dipshits that are allowing these lockdowns and pointless restrictions
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@Redstang88 regardless whether the lockdowns hurt or saved lives…we’re living in the now. And the pandemic is being prolonged by antivaxxers.
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Which is less than 1% of our global population. I was under the impression you were trying to compare covid to bubonic plague. <1% vs 30-60%
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No, it isn’t. It’s being prolonged by idiots turning against their fellow man. What in gods name makes you think that vaccines will be the end of this?
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@Redstang88 polio, smallpox…all cured via vaccines. And as i pointed out…25 million dead in 15 years of the plague, 5 million dead from Covid. In. One. Year.
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Yes, at 20-30x the population
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Yes, 25 million deaths (conservative estimate) from a global population of 3-400 million during the plague vs 5 million from a global population of 8 billion today.
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Yeah and in 4 years 6 million Jews died. How big would the overpopulated Earth be if all the millions hadn't died? Bill Gates was wanting the Earth population to be no more than 500 million. Maybe he is behind Covid. He certainly has the money to get it done. Just use some virus or poison everyone with a fake vaccine.
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@Daniela1982 @Redstang88 What are you two arguing? Covid is a good thing? The Plague wasn't that bad?
2.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Nobody has the authority to implement such a measure, AND ANYONE THAT CLAIMS THAT AUTHORITY SHOULD BE PUT DOWN LIKE THE NAZI DOG THEY ARE
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@Shamalien Amen.
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@OddBeMe you limp-wrists don’t have the balls.
It’s 100% science that the CEO of Pfizer says these shots offer little to no protection from omicron. You don’t mandate a shot that doesn’t stop the spread. Israel set a record for the highest # of covid cases in a day, and are one of the highest vaxxed countries in the world. - +1 y
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We give legal immigrants citizenship all the time.
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Because it doesn’t fuckin work. How long are people gonna keep lying to themselves that any of this shit actually helps anything
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If it worked we wouldn’t still be arguing about this 2 years in. It’s not going anywhere, it’s very minor for the vast majority of the population, time to move on
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It’s less than 10% here and it has made ZERO difference
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Already far exceeding the number we were told would mean “herd immunity” and a return to normal. But surprise surprise, it was a load of shit just like every other word from the “experts” since day 1
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No, I don’t understand your mindset in the slightest
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If it’s so effective, how are these “new variants” spreading? Can’t travel without your shots, so by your argument they never should’ve left the countries they started in, correct?
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Yes I know what you’re and I have no desire to answer. I know their target was 70% and we passed that months ago
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No, its damn close to 90 if not over. My point is we’re long past the number we were told would mean the end of this.
And the variants have come from other countries. Seeing as you cannot travel without your shots, if they worked they wouldn’t have spread.
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2.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because forced medical procedures is a human rights violation it violated international law and many countries also have laws against it.
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lol, you don’t even believe the bullshit at this point.
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What do you mean? Not a single vaccine in the more than 200 years that we’ve been using them has worked, so what makes this one any different?
20 Reply 3.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. "My body, my choice" only matters when it's convenient for you, huh?
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@KatherineJ yeah. Like any other undesirables dangerous to communities.
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Oh @Juxtapose…I thought you were smarter. The economy isn’t immune from dummy. That’s what I’m kissed about.
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If we want the economy back then we can stop firing critical staff during a pandemic and also stop these ridiculous lockdowns.
Gen Z is getting thoroughly robbed of their education as well. My last girlfriend was quite young and in her senior year (19 years old assholes) she cheated on almost every assignment. My smoking buddy's kids have also lost a lot of school and they are just not learning as well away from school.
An out of state friend of mine went from having two furniture stores to having none. He could have accumulated a few million more.
This has been the largest transfer of wealth to the upper class in America's history.
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Some people can't get vaccinated for valid reasons.
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20 ReplyWhy shouldn’t our society demand they cut your feet off?
11 Reply4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I don't know, the constitution delineates what the government can and can't do.
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Why bother if it doesn't help stop the spread of covid?
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WRONG! You need to do more research. The vaccines were NEVER close to being 95% effective. Sure, that's the bs you were fed in the beginning but it was never true.
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If you actually read the article, it is "hospitalizations", NOT effectiveness of contracting covid. Also, there are a lot of variables. With Omicron the vaccines are basically ineffective.
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@Slingblade1126 no that’s a separate effficacy of 81%. You fcks really are stupid
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Obviously you didn't even bother reading your own fucking article. Jesus Christ!
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@Slingblade1126 "Vaccine efficacy against infection fell to 68 percent by the time Omicron emerged." Which is still better than annual flu vaccines, and a hell of a lot better than nothing.
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