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Is it so wrong for men to fight for equal rights, or more accurately, equal treatment under the law? (Page 3)
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What can't be monetized can't be right in this day and age. But it's about time men start speaking and putting a stop to inequality.
We as men lost our rights when men would not treat women right. Laws were created to protect women and give them rights.
And that is what's harming the men who do treat women right. The ones that treat them wrong and make them believe all men are bad. And when that started to effect society it became something solidifies in truth for them when it's not truth.
Right
They aren't. They are just told they are by far right trolls who want to weaponize normal male sexual frustrations against democracy.
If there is a child, the man has to take care of that child and kid mother. I wish there were women's rights in my country too
But when women can work, they have the responsibility to also take care of that child the same as a man. I'm not saying men shouldn't take care of their kids, I'm saying the responsibility needs to be 50/50.
And I wish those in my country who claim to be fighting for women's rights would go to counties like yours where women truly need it. No one deserves to live in a country where their rights are unrecognized.
Would you be happy if roles were reversed in your country? Men had the current rights of women and women had the current rights of men? Would YOU make any attempt to change that?
no anyone who tells you that men shouldn't do this is a bad person. men are being abused in society today
Here is how I see it working in the minds of a lot of women. If a man treats a woman badly, it's the man's fault. If a woman treats a man badly, it's the man's fault. And he deserved it. He should thank her.
When a man act too masculine they call it toxic masculinity but when he act too feminine they call it white fragility.
Men don’t have equal rights?
Ah right. Just read the rest of your question. To be fair certain areas in the law are quite biased especially when it comes to things like family laws and criminal laws (sexual assault etc). It seems like the law favours women a lot of the time.
But it’s important to say that this a result of trying to strike a balance between physically protecting women (who are victims of abuse or assault) and protecting the rights of men.
Men also get abused and sexually assaulted at an unreported rate. Its much more nuanced then that. But I appreciate your honest approach to a topic you aren't very familiar with.
Yes of course. I speak from an objective legal perspective. I do agree that more needs to be done to protect individuals rather than gender groups. I hope to see a movement in that direction.
I would like to see that too.
Have you seen The Red Pill documentary? Its free on YouTube. The stats are a little bit out of date but it'll shed some light on the overall situation that's going on.
Since people under the influence of alcohol legally can't give consent, men are constantly raped by women that meet them in bars/clubs, but nothing ever happens about that. They can use, abuse, and manipulate men in that situation and there are no consequences for women, but if a man does it he goes to prison. The legal system is very unfair against men.
I will check it out then
No. It is right. The woke world we live in is giving women so much balls , that are noe transgending to get a little bot of rights
We want equal rights to child care. Also to get women done for rape when they dump us. We men must get our balls back
That a sexist attitude so you invalidate your own question.
No, its not. How is wanting equality sexist? Your proving yourself to be exactly the kind of person who shuts down men when we try to talk about our issues in Society.
@MCheetah lol people sound bitter. When you generalize that just because your a man you will be "raped" in court in a divorce that sexist. I apoligize you can't read and must resort to name calling to make a point. My opinion is mine and I don't know why you take is so personal. Adults can debate a topic without resorting to tatics 5 yr olds use. Whoever posted this is bitter. An adult who is not attention seeking doesn't need to post a question with shock tatics like using the word rape or crying around they could post an actual mature question on the topic. Either way pbjectivly when you say all men or woment or whatever we all get raped in court in a divorce your being sexist to women so I don't know how you can ask for equal treatment being mysoginistic at the same time.
Plus dramatic lol I gave a one sentence clinical answer as this topic has come up in my sociology class. I'm heartless lol. Quite a reaction and a lot of projection over hardly any response on my part. You may have control issues or a past break up your not over. Therapy helps. I don't know some people have nothing to do but obbsess over what someone else responds to on a question and that fine but it's pretty hard to have your feelings hurt by an adult that name calls and life revolves arounnd this nonsense lol.
Who said I hada heart anyway don't worry about it ev1 here should google why this question is sexist or read a book.
@Bside with all due respect, with the statement "we all get raped in court in a divorce",
you are easily dismissing and brushing off a human being real concern, like is nothing.
The same way some people might brush off an abused woman trying to open up about her problems.
Of course you can comment whatever you want, don't get me wrong.
But your statement missed the whole point of the original debate topic
and bringing nothing to the table.
Also, how would you define sexist?
Correct me if I am wrong but, your point is that the whole question
has an underlying sexist tone?
And if that's the case which parts make you feel that way?
I would recommend you to calmly read the whole question again.
It's a really interesting point of view and complex topic that can help us put ourselves
in our husbands/brothers/fathers/friends shoes.
I didn't read anything offensive towards women at all in the question,
rather neutral comments, that you can say to any adult.
@secret1991 No when you say things like that your not communicating your problem as a grown up. I was abused in a marragie and things like that were tossed around. What we will get divorced you rape me in the divorce. If you want to be taken seriously and talk about sexist attitudes in divorces you don't take one side and generalize it with your own sexist view. Not all men or women win a divorce. For myself being an abusve victim that statement upset me. Like oh now we are raping men in the divorce when we make less money and most often put more effort in. Getting married is a big commitment and you choose to make those choices and can't just take everything and walk away that why the laws are in place. I don't like reading about how we rape men in cases it's sexist and upsetting. Don't come to me about victim shaming I have been more abused than most women and not that is why I speak on it. This was a discusting way to bring up the topic. If I said all men are scum and abusive this is why blah blah would you take offence or say that I should say it or your shutting down an abuse victim. He does not sound like a victim he sounds like he bitter and controling hunny. He not the victim he wants the cake and to eat it. Wake up and don't be so easlily manipulated. Men are the ones with more power in sociatly. Here what I think he cheating around and just had to pay his ex wifes legal bills. Karma a bitch. Act right.
@MCheetah Lol no worries guys he just projecting. Someone bitter. It was one sentence and people should be able to debate like mature adults without all of that petty personal nonsense. I am not the one that looks bad but I can see why some people are divorced. If one senence extracts that level of anger and abuse from an internet stranger then what he like the rest of the time lol. Who said I had a heart lol. Unproductive don't make emotional choices or at least have the self control to speak to others if your overly emotional to the degree you cuss at girls online.
Good old fashion misandrist. Don't worry guys we don't have to take anything she says seriously because she's just a sexist pig. Her opinions don't matter because she just has a shit ton of misandry.
@Bside First, I would like to clarify that I didn't meant to say that OP was a victim (I don't know that).
That being said, to break down and summarize your argument in parts:
1.- You say you were abused in your marriage, went thought a divorce process and were rape.
R.- I am assuming that's probably why you focused so much on that particular point of the question and felt upset. That's why I recommended you to read the whole question once again calmly. Your point of view could be beneficial for the debate. This topic is really complex. The thing is your first answer ("That a sexist attitude so you invalidate your own question."), didn't exactly express or add anything (objectively specking).
2.- "Like oh now we are raping men in the divorce when we make less money and most often put more effort in."
R.- Could you explain how do you judge this? I mean, we are paid less? and put more effort?
Mmmm sorry I haven't seem a good example that can explain this. I work in IT, I started as a trainee with another guy and I ended up being paid more than him for the same job and having the same experience.
However, my boyfriend gets paid a lot more than me for the simple reason that he has a lot more years of experience and does more difficult things than I do now.
So it's understandable that he gets paid more.
3.- "Getting married is a big commitment and you choose to make those choices and can't just take everything and walk away that why the laws are in place."
R.- Sorry I didn't understand this. Of course this is true, who said otherwise?
4.- "Don't come to me about victim shaming I have been more abused than most women and not that is why I speak on it."
R.- I understand that If you were abused this topic might be triggering for you. However, that doesn't mean you cannot do the same things to other people. I hardly believe that you were most abused than most women, considering the women's problems in the Middle East and Africa. But I also understand that you don't care if I don't believe you.
5.- And regarding the last part " he sounds like he bitter and controling hunny... etc"
R.- Which words he used that sound controlling to you?
This sounds fair to me for either a woman or a men:
"... not wanting to be falsely accused of things you didn't do?"
"wanting to be loved and have meaningful relationships?"
"not wanting to be punished harsher than women for the same crime?"
"not want women to be treated like children?"
Even if he is "cheating around and just had to pay his ex wife's legal bills"
That doesn't annulate non of the above points.
@secret1991 I yet again appreciate your honest approach. To clarify to you, I'm not a victim of this yet. But like many men, there is always the chance I could be. I'm married, my wife is pretty egalitarian, like actual egalitarian. And I have a kid. I'm not a part time parent like how most men are treated. Just like my wife, I take care of my son when I'm home with him.
I agree with everything you said. I just thought your honest approach deserves an explanation.
I saw a problem in society, and I want to bring awareness to it.
you havin a bad day or smth?
@nonyabeezwax132342 I understand.
I also saw this as a problem and take this topic very seriously
since I am worried for all the men in my life.
Of course, I am also worried about my own woman's problems,
like the fact that a man can easily overpower me and do whatever he wants with me,
and I can easily empathize with my girl friends problems.
But I am aware of the power I could have over my boyfriend in sociaty
and that I could easily win in some aspects,
just becuse I have a softer voice and apperance and well I am women.
My boyfriend and I talk a lot about this,
sharing each other point of view.
It's not easy for neither of us to put ourselves in each other shoes, but is improtant and necessary.
Thanks for sharing your point of view and bringing awarness
@secret1991 if you're worried about your physical disadvantage to men, and I'm not saying this to dismiss the issue, just offering a solution to it, buy a gun. Gun rights are women's rights. A gun, regardless of your age, gender, athleticism, etc. Will hurt you, and can kill you. Its one of the reasons its known as the great equalizer. Guns are great tools for self defence. I understand there is a lot of propaganda out there about guns from the MSM and government, but I promise and hour of research would make you laugh at how they have no idea what they are talking about. My wife for example isn't very... Aware... Of her situation. She likes to go on walks at 3am. This wouldn't be a problem with me or for her safety if it was in an area like where I grew up where the crime rate was 0.5%. Two years ago, they busted a human trafficking ring less than a half of a quarter mile from my apartment. Then she wonders why I get upset at her for refusing to carry anything to protect herself like pepper spray, tasor, or a gun.
Also I forget where I read this statistic, but it found that completed rape against unarmed women (completed rape being defined as the male getting in and getting off) was 97% of women raped.
On the other hand, for armed women it was at 0.2%, and 51% of those armed women who were rapped did better fighting off the attacker with a gun, then with any other none lethal weapon.
It's up to you though of course. It doesn't matter which caliber you choose to go with if you chose to get a gun, most often its the noise that scares the shit out of attackers that gets them to run away. Although, if you want effective stopping power, .9mm or higher is recommended. Although.40mm throws off your aim via the recoil, so.45mm which is comparible to the.40mms recoil, it doesn't throw your aim off more than the.9mm. No one know why that is. Lol
@nonyabeezwax132342 thanks for the advice, I didn't know about those stats.
I was thinking of bying a pepper spray or something like,
I know they will not be very effective, but I must confess I am a coward towards guns.
But the information is very useful, I am learning about it for emergency porpurses.
Thanks
Totally sexist. The arrogance, the sheer fucking hubris of men who point out the bullshit thrown at them. Dint they know they have privilage
@Bside hoe be like this is shits sexist stereotypical sad excuse for a question by someone looking to for attention, same hoe be like woman sacrifice more, put more effort in, suffer abuse, feels she needs to support all and give her life story hoping someone actually doesn't smell the brown matter pouring out her mouth breathing hole. Talk about self projecting and stereotyping sexist believes, you are exactly what your bitching about. Talking like haha this MF got but hurt over over one sentence can't debate handle shit yet same hoe turns and be like this question hurt my feeling because I was abused by a man because my pussy prolly smells and I couldnt smell that it smelled and then I had to go through a divorce because of men sexists. WO-MAN the fuck up and quit letting someones question you dont even triggered your ignorant ass. Whats your abusers name so I send him job fucking well done card for V-Day. Same hoe be like 😭😭😭😭😤😭😭 this guys getting blocked... I usually get that from people who think everyone has there right to own opinion, but can't except that when they actually do.
You are such a sexist why you even ask this silly question?
Becuse 9/10 it is nothing to do with rights, and just you cheaping out with a shit lawyer.
Has everything to do with rights. Do the research.
Bro NOT AT ALL!!! People judge us for dating younger woman while bitchs our age all turn into Karen's.
The whole thing has become more men vs women than people fighting for rights.
I disagree, its become more of "men vs misandrist" then men versus women. There are women in this very thread who understand, or have been willing to talk about the issues, or who just didn't know about the issues existence at all. I've only had one genuine misandrist so far who's blocked me after I made too much sense. And one missindress to didn't know she was being a misandrist, which I'm not sure but I think I've started to change her mind. There are a few more misandrist here but they've been pretty much dealt with by everyone else. There are more normal women in this topic than there are misandrist.
when there's a football match, it's one country vs the other and not everyone is participating or supporting.
No that's illegal bro feminists hate that
I needed this, thank you. Lmao
When i wanna see whiny effeminate men i come on here.
@Aiko_E_Lara I'm a hipster in music taste why not this too?
Comments like this are usually preceded with "It's men and the patriarchy who tell men to 'Man up'".
Nothing more disempowering to women than to act like they don't affect men.
babe do be mentally disabled tho
@_no_one_ Shit dude good point.
Men do have equal rights. If the woman earns more then her ex husband is entitled to the same. Don’t forget she birthed your child/children and put her life on hold to nurture them while you were able to focus on building a career when she wasn’t.
Actually, aside from that she birthed them, my life is 180 degrees from what you just described. I put my career on hold to move four times for her career. When she left me, she got most of the assets and I am paying child support even though she makes much more than I am.
That’s not how it works here in the U. K.
Well here in the US, that's how it worked out for me
Yes, since "she nurtures them" so we can focus on our dead end careers, we should just disown our kids and give her 70% of our income until the kids are 18, and 30% of our income for the rest of our lives, because she does what any parent is supposed to do when they take parental leave from work.
Anyone who is the actual parent would tell you that, that is not how real life works.
When my son was born, I worked 95 hours a week just to come home and watch my son for 6-8 hours every night while my wife slept. I didn't get more than an 30 minute nap a day during my lunch break at work for the first three months of his life, and you're telling me I have no right to complain about not being able to see my son if my wife decided to divorce me, simply because you believe she was the only one to nurture them? That's very sexist and entitled of you.
Go ahead, take yourself out of the dating pool inadvertently. Professional men actually argued for my point I’ve just made before. It’s obvious which types of men have more integrity and attractiveness and which don’t. Good thing for making that clear, probably one of the only helpful things you’ve done in life.
When this was expected of women then I agree she gets special treatment for this sacrifice. Alimony for the woman who paused her career to build our family life… but these days women expect this while not being willing to perform this role. And yeah he is technically entitled to her money if she makes more but… how often does that happen? Men overall make more money then women due to hours, hazard pay, time off, etc… it’s rare for women to make more then their partner and have a happy relationship. One of the top causes of divorce is he makes less money then her. Causation vs correlation but the states don’t change.
a lot of lesbians are lawyer and they made the law friendly toward women
Yeah. Women and minorities are the only ones with a right to entitlement and feeling oppressed.
Is that why they made up 52% of the population in the U. S. in 2016? (I know that because this whole "women are a minority" crap was also used to explain why Hillary lost in 2016, blaming it solely on men being sexist. If that was the case, and every single woman did vote for Hillary, she would have won. When this was pointed out, that's when feminist started the " internalized misogyny" garbage claiming women who disagreed with them were brainwashed to hate themselves, when the reality was, a lot of women just don't hate men, and don't like Hillary Clinton.
This "women are a minority" crap was only started by intersectional feminism to eliminate white women as "oppressors", to keep the feminism movement together to avoid racially dividing their movement. This lie needs to die.
i said women "and" minorities. not that women "are" minorities xD
... So, literacy classes... Are they cheap? Lol
lol. anyway. i think this entire "equality" bullshit that's going on completely ignores that people are different. like simply starting at the fact that women can bear children and men can not. how is legislation supposed to be "equal" with this?
It's not wrong for any group to want equality
the law of society is fake
the bible is playing out