In my opinion men need to be complimented and validated way more than women do since women always get compliments where as most men don’t. The body positivity movement should include men.
Why does the body positivity movement only include women?
It's women, not men, who are sexualized in TV commercials, movies and magazines. So women feel pressured to meet the commercialized standards of beauty.
The fashion industry uses stick figure models to show of new lines in fashion shows. Partially as a result of this, the ideal woman was supposed to be a size 0 - 2. An average, fit, healthy woman (I'm not talking about high schoolers) was probably size 12-16. So, right there, many normal women were made to feel inadequate. Also, many or most women have trouble finding outfits that fit. For example, if something fits their waist and hips, it may not fit their boobs or vice versa.
Fashion is mostly for women. After all, men just have to buy pants, shirts and suits. How hard is it to find pants and shirts that fit? There even Big and Tall shops. (Note the lack of negativity in that name.) Men's fashions are rarely form fitting. Their clothes actually create the form and conceal to a great extent. Think of wide shoulders on suits and the straight lines of jackets. On the other hand, women's fashions ARE often form fitting. They are designed to accentuate her figure. So women have to let it all hang out, so to speak.
Even people who are generally fit come in all shapes and sizes - short, tall, skinny, thicc, stocky.
One thing that guys can suffer stigma from them is being short. It can make guys feel inadequate, although some short guys are very well adjusted. I have some good friends and know of many guys who are 5'6" and under who have wives, families and are very successful and happy. I discovered that Davy Jones from The Monkees was 5'2". I have a tall, slender friend who used to get bullied and called Lurch in school. As a consequence, he got used to hunching his shoulders and back so as not to stand out.
And, of course the big thing that guys worry about is dick size. If women obsess about the size of their boobs or butts, you can imagine what guys go through and how inadequate they can be made to feel, especially with the proliferation of porn in which only guys with above average cocks are featured. That's something that would be very difficult to address in a male body positivity movement.
Male body positivity has become more problematic over the decades. I saw photos of a male swim suit competition from the early 1900s. The guys had zero muscle definition. Even George Reeves, who played Superman in the 1950s TV series, didn't compare to today's standards of fitness. Now days, guys feel more and more pressure to meet movie star standards. It's not enough to be lean and fit, they think they need to be sculpted.
It's possible for men to get sculpted, but it's more problematic for women because what makes them feminine is fat. It's what shapes their bodies. So they can certainly get fit, but it's not good for them to burn off all their healthy fat.
Anyway, body positivity for both genders is important, but I do think it is more applicable to women for the reasons I mentioned. Even the healthiest women have different size boobs and hip widths. They don't fit into fashion industry standards. They also tend to develop cellulite dimples in fatty area. Scars, stretch marks and blemishes also make them self conscious. They have a deep need to be seen as pretty and sexy. So, I think it's important for them to have body positivity, be comfortable in their own skin, walk proud, and celebrate their femininity, no matter if they are slender or if they are thicc.
What I don't agree with is celebrating unhealthy anorexia and obesity. And that's what Tess Holliday commercialized when she created #EffYourBeautyStandards. It became popular with the same "woke", PC crowd that would normalize transvestism and other marginal fashions and lifestyles.
Well the nice thing is, the men's side has been growing rapidly, as I've seen it anyway.
Both have similar issues like differences in income, and people viewing the exact same actions as good or evil based solely on how good you look. But some of the other issues are almost the exact opposite. That is, if women are sexualized, men are, if anything, desexualized.
Women are basically told they are the most beautiful version of the species. That a beautiful woman represents the absolute pinnacle of desirability. And that if they can't meet this, they are failures as women. So they're pressured all the time to catch up with other women. Gotta look like that instagram filter. You can't be the girl who doesn't shave her legs in the winter. Etc.
Men are basically told "you're the ugly ones. You can accept it, or whine about it, but that won't change it" So while being considered ugly doesn't hurt us *quite* as much, we also don't gain much from looking good unless we have godlike figures. Just look at the activity on even the best-looking men's dating profiles. Hell, a lot of guys don't put in the effort because it feels like putting lipstick on a pig. And notice how "beautiful formalwear" for men involves covering up as much as possible. It's all men in head-to-toe tuxes on the red carpet, and women with plunging necklines on backless semi-transparent dresses with slits to show their legs. That is NOT the place to bring up a narrative that people hate women's bodies.
A lot of dating traditions, frankly, feel like it is about playing a game of catch-up. Like you could basically say "You'll never be beautiful like her. So the least you could do is be richer or tougher or braver to make up for your deficiency. She shouldn't have to prove these things. She's already the desirable one." and the traditional dating dynamic could form directly from that.
So first off, I AM concerned about unrealistic male hero-bodies. Especially in the sense that they are actually harder to maintain than the ideal woman standard. In fact, I believe they outlawed dietary restrictions in contracts for women, but not for men. And men's physiques for some of these movies also follow physician oversight and are maintained only for the duration of filming for health reasons.
But I think as much as anything, I'm concerned about the ugly-male narrative. So in that sense, when they have a guy get naked and the girl tries to sneak a peak, that reversal is at least kinda refreshing. Hell, I get guy crushes now, and that's a nice feeling, because I can see the things that make men desirable. It's certainly better than all the sitcoms where they walk in on a naked girl and saxophones play, while they walk in on a naked guy and everyone is like "WHOA WE DID NOT NEED TO SEE THAT" and two of them turn away and vomit.
But there's another similar-but-opposite thing on women's side: That women NEED to be beautiful to have value. Dove might say "all women are beautiful" to help with women's self-esteem, but I think this misses the actual root of the problem. Guys are largely told we're ugly until proven otherwise, yet don't run into the image issues as often. We are told we don't NEED to be beautiful. You don't see "all men are beautiful" with a picture of Joe Biden. If anything, the "all women are beautiful" narrative just reinforces the need to be beautiful. After all, they need to sell their beauty products. It just applies it to everyone so that if their looks don't take them to where they were hoping, Dove gets to dodge the blame.
First, the Body Positivity movement does NOT just include women! Saying something like “men need compliments MORE than women, because women already get compliments” is asinine! BEAUTIFUL women may recieve a lot of compliments, but OBVIOUSLY SOME WOMEN. AREN’T otherwise there would be no body positivity movement! and second WHY DID YOU ASK THIS ANONYMOUSLY? What are you ashamed of? The body positivity movement ABSOLUTELY includes men, here is a similar picture to the one you posted, only with men, instead of women.
Because the "body shaming" or "body negativity" was all about women only. So the new movement is just erasing the old one. That's why it's just about women too. Plus, there is no complementing being done here. Don't get all jealous. The new movement is only about "unshaming" and reversing the damage done earlier. It's not a positive movement. Personally I don't believe it's a healthy movement either. Having an unhealthy BMI is definitely bad for you. Especially in the long run. But this movement is just saying don't go around shaming people for their unhealthy situation. You're not helping them with their weight issues by shaming them.
It only exists to shame attractive women and push unhealthy lifestyles on women too lazy to better themselves. (Not "all overweight people," as I'm overweight myself; I specifically mean the ones who'd rather brainwash all of society than even TRY to make an effort to lose weight or better their health.)
The whole "Eff Your Beauty Standards" and "body positivity/fat acceptance" movement was mainly started by Tess Holliday, who's a real piece of sh*t and lying, scamming, con artist in her whole right. Similar to MeToo and Black Lives Matter, it was never about the message. But instead, scamming losers out of money.
Oh, and all of this is coming from a guy who has BDD and MANY insecurities about his body himself; especially my height.
"In my opinion men need to be complimented and validated way more than women do since women always get compliments where as most men don’t."
Only if we deserve it, though. Don't stoop down to being like the loser women on social media. You don't NEED anyone's validation and acceptance (or even their respect) but your own. Believe me, it took my whole 20s to learn that.
1) Lets not bully anybody who is overweight UNLESS they are bullying you first. Some fat people think it’s okay to be douche bags to people while hypocritically thinking that comments about their physiques are off limits. I have no sympathy for fat bullies (male or female)
2.) Accept that there are beauty standards in society and it’s not nothing new. Ancient Greeks had their statues for a reason. Just don’t have a higher standard for someone you want to date than you have for yourself.
3). “Follow the science” and focus on the facts. There is a reason why you don’t see any obese 90 year olds. Being overweight will shorten your life
4). I’ve met athletic heavy people. If you are thicker genetically yet still exercise and eat healthy then people will respect you. I can usually tell that these people care about fitness by the way they hold themselves.
5). I’ve seen plenty of fat guys do alright with women. That’s one advantage men have. If you are funny, rich or have a good personality then many women will over look the beer gut.
the body positively movement is garbage. it sounds nice, but the problem is "body positivity" primarily includes fat people. like, that's not even healthy at all so it's wrong to encourage that. it's be better if there could be a new body positivity movement (under a different name of course) that encouraged a healthy weight and look for both genders.
Really this movement shouldn't be focused on encouraging or enabling people to make bad lifestyle decisions which got them where they are in the first place. Of course, there are a myriad of different situations that people who are overweight are in, that is, what caused them to become overweight. But, that being said, we shouldn't encourage bad lifestyle decisions, but say that, they should be happy with who they truly are, and work to become what they are if they have issues which are preventing them from doing so. When it comes to their weight, they should be educated about what they should do to help get them to a more healthy weight for the sake of their health. Trying to get them to accept this weight really doesn't do them any good, if they end up not wanting to do anything about their weight and just continue on with making bad lifestyle decisions in their case.
I also don't get it but its not only men who the body positivity leaves out. The movement also shuts out skinny people yet they say all bodies are perfect. Tbh i find the movement very toxic, like imagine working so hard to achieve your dream body and you get shamed on by the very same people who said they love themselves and nobody's opinion matters. The body positivity movement is a whole lie.
As wrong as it is, skinny people have been the desired. If you make a man choose between a fat woman and a skinny woman, he will most likely choose skinny.
1. Who said it doesn't include men? Just because most guys aren't out there advertising this kind of thing doesn't mean there is some kind of unspoken ban.
2. No idea what you mean by 'women always get complements'. More like women always get catcalled and harrassed.. Conventionally attractive women get complements. The only reason 'less-attractive' women also get complements is usually because the person giving them wants to get laid or something...
3. The reason we usually don't get complements is because men don't want to 'look gay' and women don't want men to assume they are looking for a relationship/sex. If you want to try fixing the 'men don't get complements' issue, then start complementing men? lmao
Body positivity is a thing I don't support if about being fat without medical conditions. Like it isn't appealing, it is unhealthy, it says the person is careless and lazy yet they expect us to appreciate them for their 'confidence'.
Absolutely. But the mentality of men is that they would feel most likely uncomfortable with this brand (featuring themselves in billboards and magazines) of course I’m generalising.
However, I feel women should praise more. No one tells a guy he looks handsome when he makes the effort. But we exaggerate how great the woman looks just for putting on some lipstick.
What I think is wild is how women get praised for NOT wearing makeup. I’ve seen posts where women go “bare faced” (plus foundation plus mascara plu….) and they get absolutely celebrated as being brave like what
Then where are all the female commercials with people with actual deformities and amputations? Messed up facial surgeries don’t count as natural deformities
I can’t support a movement that thinks obesity is okay. This is for either gender. It’s okay to be chubby or a little heavy but obesity is certainly NOT okay. The same thing applies to dangerously skinny people.
To answer your question, it's because women feel more pressure to maintain their looks and their figures. Some people criticize women's looks and bodies harshly. This applies to men too. Like women who make fun of short men or for men being under 6 ft. I certainly believe men deserve body positivity too. However, being extremely overweight or underweight and having an unhealthy lifestyle shouldn't be encouraged. People should strive to be as healthy as they can.
@Alwayreckles93 she does not support the idea of people being comfortable in their skin of being Obesity as well as being way too skinny. But her preference is at least being medium perhaps and healthy.
Maybe because women created it? ‘Dad bods’ became a norm so this is the females way of acceptance too. Why do you feel as though men deserve more validation than women? If you’re that insecure, quite frankly, that’s your own problem that you need to work on. Put the fork down, or make your own movement.
I prefer heavier men. Sorry that I left out the slim jimmy’s. As a thic woman myself, I forget that’s an issue for some. @Cuminginside my response is appropriate to the question. You didn’t answer why men should be more validated than women and that’s what I have an ‘attitude’ about. Body positivity is regarding equal acceptance to all so for this person to say one gender deserves more compliments than another? Fuck that.
I totally agree. I think inclusion of different body types, ethnicities, etc. are great, and this should include both men and women. That aside, I think when you reach a point of self-love, maturity, and emotional growth you don't need a body positivity movement or don't look to propaganda or media to gain self confidence.
Tbh I don't know. Body positivity sucks af. Everyone says being fat is cute is okay. But it isn't. It's healthy, and they are afraid to admit it 🤦♀️ everyone prefers to write fake compliments to make someone happy. No one is ready to write the fact and help someone lose weight and be healthy in the future.
The body positive movement isn’t even a movement. It’s very liberal and doesn’t offer a solution to actual systemic and social problems that lead to rampant Ed in girls and boys. I’m in support of the body acceptance movement since it’s more revolutionary.
Society/radical feminism wants men to accept all women and see them as beautiful, whilst bashing most men, as they aren't over 6ft.
I agree, they should have one for short men too and fat men, but no, let's laugh at men for something they have no control over and see them as undesirable, whilst praising a 1000lb hippo for not shaving her body hair and expecting male perfection.
Body Postivity Movement is such a joke. If you know you're clearly unhealthy no amount of false validation will change that. Why do people perceive you as unattractive... because you are. Change is not impossible - dedication, persistence, and discipline can change your life. Make the change, put in the work. I've got no sympathy for these slackers.
