Why is body positivity movement only for women and not short men?

[Anonymous]

Everywhere I go, I see women saying accept us for who we are but the same are gonna say 6ft and tall guys only and they have no clue that they are a hypocrite.

Why is that body positivity doesn't include short men, bald men and so on?

Why is that men don't raise their voices as women do? Why men have to face this cruelty?

Why is it that it is right to accept women who have small assets but not right to accept men who are short?

Everywhere I go or see twitter or any social media, it's like 6ft tall men only.

Short men have to stand against this. Otherwise we are gonna get extinct like dodo birds.

Why is that height is considered the top most priority? Like are we not a man if we're not tall? Does it make us less of a man?

Now some are gonna say it is just a preference. Ok, I understand it. But, the point is, it is not preference anymore because if it was a preference not every single women would say the same thing, right? I have not seen a single female preferring a short guy. If it was really a preference there would have been a lot of them who would like short as well. But that's not the case. This leaves short guys out of anyone's preference. And we're the most undesirable creatures in the society.

[Birdlegs]

Cuz it was created by fat women for fat women it’s not body positivity it’s fat acceptance and it doesn’t even work for them. You should make your own movement for short guys I’m sure Tom Cruise can help endorse it. (This sounds sarcastic but I’m dead serious)

[Subarugirl]

actually the body positivity movement was originally created for people with deformities...

[Birdlegs]

Ahh didn’t know that thank you I only know around when it started to blow up and the current state of it

[Femphile_xoxo]

I think you're focusing mainly on the female-focused body positivity movement. Though it was started to raise awareness and support for people with physical deformities. It's used in general now just for anyone who feels insecure about their body. Simply to tell them that they shouldn't because all body shapes are great!

Besides, social media shows what people want to show. The most popular people are the ones who are conventionally attractive and that sucks. I'm sorry that short men have to face that, tall women do too. It really sucks but it's kind of a conventional attractiveness thing. The body positivity movement isn't just about women, it's about everyone and breaking down the conventional attractive guidelines so everyone can dress, look, and exist how they want to or how they are if they can't change it.

I think you're purely focusing on the fact that it's also talked about in relation to sexism. From a very early age, women are told how they need to look, and sure men are too. Except school dress codes constantly tell girls how to dress (ex: skirts can't be too long but they can't be too short but they have to be wearing skirts). Or the fact that even I've had guy friends tell me they "wish all girls dieted like me" because I was skinny.

(sorry this is kind of all over the place. Basically: it's not about girls, it's about everyone! Including short guys and tall girls and bald people and so on 😉😘)

[JHAYES317]

The problem is that obesity is a real issue and the body positivity movement is trying to accept a health risk…being short is not a health problem and cannot be changed unlike weight

[Subarugirl]

The body positivity movement includes everyone, of all shapes and sizes. Everyone knows that social media isn't healthy and doesn't give an accurate representation of the majority of the population. If social media is really that damaging to your self esteem, I would recommend avoiding it and going to therapy.

[Asker]

So do you think that short guys are only not preferred on social media? That is not right.

[Subarugirl]

No I said that social media doesn't give an accurate representation of the majority of the population

[Asker]

I have seen irl as well.

[Subarugirl]

Right and I have had people shit on me because I am a woman, and because I am tall, It would be even worse if I was fat... you will find negativity anywhere you look. Why don't you start focusing on the positives?

[Asker]

at least tall women are considered attractive but I have neve seen anyone calling short men attractive. Tall women are models. And regarding the fat thing, I don't consider it because it can be changed.

[Subarugirl]

Height can be changed to.. they have limb lengthening surgeries...

[Asker]

You really suggesting that? It costs 75000 dollars, it gives problems afterwards as well. Plus it only increase like 2 inches max. That's not a viable option.

[Subarugirl]

It definitely an option, you’ve just decided that the risks out weight the benefits

[Asker]

Better to have legs that can walk rather than short legs.

[Subarugirl]

Of you could just trying loving the body that you are in instead of blaming women for your own insecurities...

[Asker]

Who is blaming?

[JHAYES317]

It’s impossible to avoid social media if you work in a lot of fields, that’s how you get hired nowadays

[Twalli]

Fact is that single women have to occasionally choose short guys because they're in a relationship with one, which means when they were single, they choose a short guy. Also just because you can't get a girl (despite the fact that you're probably taller than me) you shouldn't assume it's only because you're short. Most guys who describe themselves as short are still head and shoulders above me, and I have a girlfriend and she's pretty much adamant about not letting me go.

[Anonymous]

Dating and society are all about women, protecting them, providing for them, loving them, accepting them. Men historically generally get short sticks for everything. Women and children come first. Women in general get much more than average guys. Surely men are in the power and stuff but it's very few men. The supply and demand issue favors women more in dating so they pressure men to accept every woman while accepting only a few men themselves.

[Anonymous]

Too many words. You could've shortened that to "why is positivity only for women?"

[Subarugirl]

Because that would make it a false statement

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl what sort of societal positivity is directed at men?

[Subarugirl]

Body positivity for one, that includes men. "Like a man".. that is a extremely positive phrase.

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl body positivity is not directed at men. There is no movement telling men that undesirable traits are still handsome. And "like a man" is mostly used in the context of men tolerating some sort of pain, unpleasantness, or bullshit without complaining. That's not positivity, that's "we don't care and we don't want to hear it"

[Subarugirl]

Lol that is not what the body positivity movement is... here this article might be more enlightening
jacoblund.com/.../the-body-positive-movement-for-men

[Subarugirl]

www.psychologytoday.com/.../positive-body-image-in-men

[Subarugirl]

thriveglobal.com/.../

[Asker]

Nowhere it mentions height. Short men are doomed.

[Subarugirl]

The whole topic of toxic masculinity is about attitudes and ways of behaving stereotypically associated with or expected of men, that has a disproportionately a negative impact on men, and then on society as a whole

[Asker]

You deny stereotype against short men?

[Subarugirl]

"Body positivity is a movement that’s centered around embracing bodies in all forms" "all body" "all shapes and sizes" that include height...

[Asker]

Embrace what? When you see tall guys pulling chicks and you sit there watching.

[Subarugirl]

Dude I am not going to coddle you for having a inferiority complex. If you are insecure about something, then go to therapy like everyone else. If you want more body positivity then embrace it. How can anyone expect someone else to love them if they can't love themselves.

[Asker]

These things don't apply for men unless they are rich. Never seen a short guy who doesn't have money who is shown by the media as a protagonist. Why is that in movies only tall guys are shown as romantic type guys?

[Asker]

The problem is society lives in denial. Complete blue pulled. A lot of people don't wanna address problems because they know it requires hardwork, time and efforts and no one is willing to change the society.

[Subarugirl]

LMAO Have you not seen Kevin Heart? Bruno Mars? Tom Cruise, Daniel Radcliffe, Usher, Dave Franco, All of the famous sexy men are 5' 7" or under...

[Asker]

Out of how many? You can check the proportion. Secondly, Tom Cruise and others look very handsome probably like top 5%.

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl the articles you posted state a NEED for body positivity for men, which is an admission that it doesn't exist. Except for the first one, that is, and that's a marketing campaign, not a valid social movement. Did you even read them? Or just post them because they had the right buzz words in the titles?

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl "All of the famous sexy men are 5' 7" or under..."

That's an outright lie. Besides, they go to great lengths to make sure short actors look taller in movies, so yeah, Tom Cruise is short, but you can't tell on screen

[Asker]

Bro she ain't replying to that. Leave it, just another ignorant person. She will only tell what she has been taught.

[Subarugirl]

"Why is that in movies only tall guys are shown as romantic type guys?" It's obviously not only tall men. Obviously it is needed because look at you guys... maybe if more men actually got involved in the movement they would have more representation. The body positivity movement is for everyone, you're complaining that you're not included but have you ever gotten involved? That's like complaining that you don't have abs when you never do the exercises… you really should familiarize yourself with the concept of bias confirmation.

[Asker]

Yeah I got abs cuz I exercise, I can never grow tall though. And we would like to see short guys playing that role but it doesn't happen. And don't tell me to become an actor just for the sake of example. I have different interests. I said that just for demonstration.

[Opinion Owner]

"Dude I am not going to coddle you for having a inferiority complex."

Man, what a dead giveaway. Talk about someone who doesn't think things through. Isn't that what the "body positivity" movement is all about? Coddling people with inferiority complexes? And I'm assuming she went with that in posting the articles because she couldn't find anything else about positivity for men. Hell, even the insistence that men should be able to talk about things is called... TOXIC MASCULINITY! Even that phrase itself is toxic, because it blames the toxicity on men when it's really women who won't let men talk without repercussion. Straight gaslighting

[Subarugirl]

And I can't grow shorter or have smaller feet but you don't see me throwing a fit about it... Zac Efron is 5'8". Dani DeVito is 4ft 10in. Peter Dinklage is 4ft 5in... so what were you saying about how there are no short male actors?

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl "The body positivity movement is for everyone"

The very articles you posted say specifically that it's for women, and state the need for men to be included. And you have the nerve to lecture someone else about confirmation bias?

[Asker]

First of all you give exceptions. It doesn't change anything. You give 4-5 names and you call that representation? Secondly, why you wanna be shorter anyways, tall women are considered attractive. Short men are considered the most undesirable species. Don't believe me go and check surveys you will find out. Men don't care about women's height. Women care a lot about it though, how tall their partner should be.

[Subarugirl]

You are completely missing the point, the body acceptance movement isn't about coddling its about a social movement focused on the acceptance of all bodies, regardless of size, shape, skin tone, gender, and physical abilities, while challenging present-day beauty standards as an undesirable social construct.
Masculinity and toxic masculinity is not the same thing. The concept of toxic masculinity is used in academic and media discussions of masculinity to refer to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and men themselves.

The oldest roots of body positivity reach back to the Victorian Dress Reform movement. In this movement, women advocated for the acceptance of women’s bodies and discouraged women using extreme corsets or body mutilation to fit the standard of an extremely petite waste and or hourglass figure. That extended on to other cultures that pressured mainly women into mutilating their bodies to fit unrealistic beauty standards, like foot binding in china. Then it hit the modeling industry that was know for encouraging models (men and women) to essentially starve themselves.

[Asker]

@Subarugirl First of all you give exceptions. It doesn't change anything. You give 4-5 names and you call that representation? Secondly, why you wanna be shorter anyways, tall women are considered attractive. Short men are considered the most undesirable species. Don't believe me go and check surveys you will find out. Men don't care about women's height. Women care a lot about it though, how tall their partner should be.

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl Zac Efron is 5'8". Dani DeVito is 4ft 10in. Peter Dinklage is 4ft 5in...

Wow. Dude's talking about romantic leading roles and you trot out Danny Devito and Peter Dinklage as examples? Hell, the body positivity movement should have just said "Rosie O'Donnell is a sex symbol so stop bitching, ladies" *claps dust off hands* problem solved, you're welcome 🤣🤣

[Subarugirl]

Dude... the average height for an American man is 5ft10in... so of course we are going to more of them that fall into that height range...
A website called celebheights. com — one of many devoted to the topic, believe it or not — has assembled height records for more than 3,000 performers and reports that the average actor in Hollywood is 5 foot 10, and the average actress is 5 foot 5... which is average.

[Asker]

Average height in America is 5'5 for men and 5'4 for women. And secondly, if tall men are rare how is it that in Hollywood there's more tall men doing romantic roles than short men? Because both are rarer compared to average ones. Shouldn't this be a clearer sign?

[Asker]

5'9 for men*.

[Subarugirl]

clear sign of what, that Hollywood is an accurate representation of real life? lol That's like asking why people in different professions look differently...

[Asker]

Hollywood is what people believe in because almost everyone watches movies

[Opinion Owner]

If masculinity and toxicity aren't the same thing. Nothing about masculinity is toxic, and there's nothing masculine about toxic behavior. As a matter of fact, the most toxic men tend to be the least masculine, and vise versa. I talk with my close friends about problems, insecurities, depression, etc even as a group, but we learned the hard way to make sure there are no women around because the last time there were, it resulted in the women trying to insult, infantilize, shut us up, and then BLAME US for not being able to talk to each other!

Masculinity is absolutely the behaviors associated with and expected of us. Who expects it of us? Who expects us to "take it like a man"? Look at who's making fun of Johnny Depp right now, while also keeping oddly quiet about Amber's bullshit... women.

[Subarugirl]

Are you trying to be dense of purpose?

[Asker]

When tall guys are confident:- he's so hot and confident
When short guys are confident:- he's so creepy, he wants something, he has toxic masculinity, he has napolean complex, he has short man syndrome and what not.

[Subarugirl]

Lmao of that were true then all short men would be single. My husband is shorter than I am, my cousins fiancé is barely 5ft7in. If you’re having women problems.. it’s not because you’re short, it’s because of your shitty attitude.

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl "Are you trying to be dense on purpose?"

Hold up... you're not?

[Asker]

Your husband is probably rich.

[Subarugirl]

He was a jobless college student when we started dating. He was also jobless when we got married…. He parents are middle class, his dad was a music teacher and a substitute for the public school system

[Asker]

That is hard to believe.

[Asker]

I guess you are pretty tall so you had to go with him

[Subarugirl]

I chose him, I could have chose someone taller but I didn’t, I chose him. I could care less that he is shorter than I am because there are things that are more important than being over 6 ft tall

[Asker]

But short girls are not like you

[Subarugirl]

There are plenty of people like me, just like there are plenty of shallow assholes.

[Asker]

But it's like 10 percent to 90 percent

[Subarugirl]

That’s definitely dramatic.

[Asker]

No, it's not

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl Touching story, really, but we're not talking about exceptions, we're talking about the general rule. I'm not short. I get attention from women. So I don't have a negative personal bias in the matter, but I see it. Yes, I know some short guys who are successful with women, but again those are exceptions. The most common physical reasons I've heard among my female friends for not wanting to date a guy are that they are too short, too fat, or too skinny.

[Subarugirl]

It really is...

[Asker]

Go on dating apps you will know yourself

[JuanVelasco6]

Women are the darlings of the manginas.

[JuanVelasco6]

Although in real life, the woman has less value than a vile cockroach.

[Subarugirl]

That’s kind of a long and complicated way of saying that you’re gay lol

[In_Trance]

Because nobody gives a shit about short men