Why do people still deny that civilization will collapse in 10-20 years from runaway climate change?

[Stupidsigninpage]

I understand we can't get off fossil fuels as that too would mean the collapse of civilization. Green energy require enormous amounts of rare earth metals.

And we can't get off of fossil fuels in a timely fashion.

Our co2 level is exactly where it was during the mid pliocene when most of Florida was underwater and areas where have coastal cities were underwater.

These facts can be researched online by looking up Pliocene climate and pliocene coastlines.

Also, there is a lag of co2 to affect temperature.

If you look this up, the time for co2 to increase temperature in the atmosphere is around 10 to 20 years. This fact can be googled.

So in 10-20 years, if my reseaech is right, we should expect all coastal cities and most of Florisa to be underwater by 2030-2040.

I understand there are negative feedbacks and that it takes time for ice to melt, so to be conservative, let's assume 2050 all coastal cities and Florida is underwater.

And this is not even taking consideration positive feedbacks from tipping points like melting permafrost, reduced albedo from melting polar ice, and the fact that the Amazon is now a carbon source than a carbon sink.

Also, it is physically impossible to rapidly shift to a fossil fuel free economy in the short time of 20 years, so because of the delay, we should expect additional co2 pumped into the atmosphere which would further increase global warming by 2050.

[Anonymous]

Look, people might be dumb enough not to take action based on warnings but they aren't so stupid that they dont solve problems which are imediately in front of them

We have all manner of technologies at our disposal to tackle the problems you are concerned with in this thread and more is being learnt and done all the time.

In the UK for example we are bringing in mandatory electric cars in 2030 and we have started construction of fusion power generators which will hopefully be a functioning reality by 2040.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

[Stupidsigninpage]

But by 2030-2040, it will be too late. That's way past the point when feedbacks kick in. We need to start spraying sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere or commence nuclear winter via ww3 or unleash a bigger pandemic as proposed by Bill Gates to reduce world population.

[Opinion Owner]

If you think it is too late, why are you talking about it?

[Stupidsigninpage]

I really don't think it's too late, but if we waited until 2030, it will be too late.

The solutions now require inhumane and drastic measures.

But since nobody is willing to do anything it might as well be too late.

[Stupidsigninpage]

I don't really care. I just don't want humans going extinct.

But if that's what society wants, I can't change it. I'm not going worry myself to death over it.

[exitseven]

The global warming folks have been forecasting the end of mankind for the last 20 or 30 years. As fsar as I can tell we are still driving around in internal combustion cars.
Personally if global warming is real maybe I won't have to move to Florida when I retire. It will be warm in the winter where I live now.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[anylolone]

Because it won't. One of the biggest predictions of the IPCC was increased expenditure and mortality over extreme weather events, which was a complete bust prediction.

It hasn't predicted complete colapse over climate change even at large time scales.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Not now though. When rivers start drying up, coastal cities are flooded, famines start happening from increased droughts, then you would have increased mortality.

And have you been paying attention to the news? Hundreds of people having been dying in single event floods.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Euphrates river is supposed to completely dry up by 2040. Look it up

[anylolone]

Have you read the IPCC?
Clearly not.

Also, I'm old, by your claims I should be underwater right now.
I just went cycling on the exact same coastline of 30years ago.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Did the IPCC say we would be underwater 30 years ago? Where's your source?

[Stupidsigninpage]

Look up sea level rise. It is going up and is expected to become exponential from now on. Go to sealevelrise. org

[anylolone]

Not the IPCC, your sources did, though.

IPCC, as I said, said we have more dead by extreme weather events and more money spent.

[Stupidsigninpage]

We are. Tornado events are getting more intense, costly, and deadlier.

[Stupidsigninpage]

That is another fact that can googled.

[Stupidsigninpage]

We have the same co2 as the pliocene now. It was 3 degrees during the pliocene. So in 20 years, we should be at 3 degrees celcius.

Look up what 3 degrees means for coastlines and the environment.

[Stupidsigninpage]

And civilizations have collapsed before in history because of climate change. Why is this civilization different?

[anylolone]

Actually no, tornados aren't getting more intense, and the IPCC didn't predicted them getting more intense.

No, we don't have as much CO2 as the pliocene, the pliocene is a very long period of time, it doesn't have one CO2 content. It lasted like 2,7M years.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Actually, they are, which can be confirmed with a simple internet search and you just said the IPCC asserted storms would get more intense and now you're contradicting that?

[Stupidsigninpage]

Look up co2 conentrations durong pliocene and then look up co2 concentrations now. And the Pliocene's climate was fairly stable during its entire time.

[Stupidsigninpage]

What I'm saying is if we go with the co2 of the pliocene, which is identical to what it is now, and add into the equation the co2 thermal lag, then we should be at 3 degrees by 2040.

That is a disaster if you haven't been reading the data.

And permafrost which is already melting is a tipping point that should bring us to 3 degrees sooner.

There is 2 times the amount of co2 in permafrost than there is in thr atmosphere.

So if all arctic ice melts, it is guaranteed we have a second Permian mass extinction

[anylolone]

The pliocene is 2,7M years, you have zero idea of what you are talking about.

You know the fools who say "it's snowing, where's the global warming?" well, they have double digits of IQ above you.

[Stupidsigninpage]

LOL.

[anylolone]

Well, it's true. 2,7M years which we do not have a lot of detailed information about.
We can't even date the fossils to a great deal of precision.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Look up 'paleoclimatology' and 'Pliocene climate' on wikipedia. A whole bunch of citations available at your disposal.

We can measure co2 in prehistoric soil.

[Stupidsigninpage]

I can't dumb it down for you. You're starting to sound like a young earth creationist.

[anylolone]

Not really. I'm being utterly factual here.
Fossils from that time frame have margins of error in their dating that float around half a thousand to thousands of years.

And of course they do, it depends on the decay of isotopes that aren't present even a moll in the fossil. Even carbon dating from the VII century comes with huge margins of error.
People end up depending on pottery for better precision, and that only goddam works when they can tie a specific type of pottery to a narrower time frame.

Worst of it all, volcanos throw all of it off, quite frequently when it comes to isotope dating.
It's a damn nightmare when it comes to information density and precision and you understand none of it.

You sound like a young earth creationist.

[TommyMountainFigure]

The way the world is heading it won't be greenhouse gasses that destroy us, but some megalomaniac intent on world domination.

[Anonymous]

Because I’ve heard this same bs since I was a kid. This works will end for all of us when we all die in due time.

[MrTaboo]

Because they said the same damn thing since the 80's. 40 years ago. But then, we were supposed to be under an ice age by year 2000.

[MrTaboo]

And, all the millionares and billionaires that espouse this crap. All have bought multi million dollar beach front mansions. Why? If the coast is going to be under water, then that's the worst purchase ever.

[Stupidsigninpage]

What if we're just ruled by out of touch morons?

[MrTaboo]

The leaders where repeating what "science" was saying.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Not many scientists agreed with global cooling though. That came out in the 1970s and the position was considered fringe.. it was. widely sensationalized in media though.

[MrTaboo]

My point is this fear mongering has been around since 70's. Global cooling, global al warming, now climate change (so to cover all bases neater what the weather does on any given day) it's all fear to get control and split people up. It's all false.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Okay, fair enough. But how can you debunk the facts I listed in my question?

What debunks the data that I just listed?

[Stupidsigninpage]

What I wrote isn't from an opinion piece or any news article. They are snippets of separate data that can be researched online and then I just put them together, and presto, societal collapse from sea level rise by 2050.

[MrTaboo]

Where are you getting these facts? How do you know co2 was at the same levels?

Tree rings dating back to 1000AD show an eb and flow of weather. Warm times followed by cooler years. And there's a 40-60 cycle.

With oddball years thrown in there. It's just phases. We're going to start cooling now. We have stopped warming.

And if you're right. Why buy Ocean front mansions?

[Stupidsigninpage]

Just look up paleoclimatology. I don't know how they determine it, I just know there are many ways they can detect these things.

And the sun cycle did change temperature before, but not anymore.

We're at a solar minimum right now and it is 2 times hotter now than it was in the 50s when we had the largest solar maximum in centuries.

[Stupidsigninpage]

And they did multiple studies and found greenhouse gases magnify warming. Venus is hotter even though Mercury is closer to the sun.

And they have done experiments in sealed chambers that show the green house effect is real. The chambers with more co2 melts ice faster and has a higher temp than the sealed chamber without co2.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t hear people saying that. Sounds like a straw man argument.

[Stupidsigninpage]

The evidence is all over the internet.

[OddBeMe]

My god…the internet! That means it’s true!

[Stupidsigninpage]

I'm talking about reading scientific journals and paleoclimate data. Don't worry, you will find out the hard way, which is I'm prepping.

And we talked before about slavery of clones.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Look up Euphrates river will be gone by 2040.

Also look up environmental migrants. This is why we need a border wall.

But because of stupid people, it's clear that we will have to repeat another dark age.

[fireforeffect]

Because Climate Change is Nothing. It is false and misleading. Man does not have the ability to change the climate.

[Slingblade1126]

The world is the cleanest it has been in close to 150yrs but yet, we are facing a global climate crisis? Give me a fucking break.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Dude, watch the news. We're on the cusp of a major malthusian crisis.

Joe Biden is warning kf global famine and even food shortages in his country because of the Ukraine, Russian war, the Euphrates river which provides millions in the middle east with drinking water is drying up and California rivers which provides millions in the US with water is drying up also and is at its lowest point since first recorded.

[Slingblade1126]

Dude! You lost me as soon as you said, "watch the news". And mentioning Joe Biden"s name, made me piss myself!

[Stupidsigninpage]

Sorry, I meant Brandon.

[Slingblade1126]

Whatever. According to the left's hero, AOC, we only have like, what? 5yrs to live? Would you place a bet on that?

[Stupidsigninpage]

I think she said 12 years 2 years ago.

And she is not wrong on that issue.

Many climate scientists agree with her.

But to be honest, I don't think we can stop the collapse. I do think she should close our borders to prevent climate refugees flooding into our country from drought stricken third world nations to lessen the blow.

[Stupidsigninpage]

Also, we are going to have global famine by 2030 because that's when bread baskets begin failing at 2 degrees celcius.

You need go do more research. We have climate analogs like the pliocene, PETM, and permian mass extinction to give us some foresight on this topic and it's obvious we're screwed.

And climate change caused other civiljzations to collapse in history. Barbarian invasions and sea peoples were caused by drought which led to mass migrations.

[Stupidsigninpage]

I would like to place a bet on 2040. How much would you pay me if I'm right?

[Slingblade1126]

No!! She didn't say 12yrs, 2 years ago. She was elected in 2018. That's when made the "this is our WW2" dumb claim. I can't take you serious! You're a fucking troll!! Even a left wing radical supporter of AOC makes more sense than you!

[Slingblade1126]

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[Stupidsigninpage]

I'm right winger to be honest. Kind of lean eco fascist, but whatever.

[Browneye57]

More fucking bullshit. GTFO

[Stupidsigninpage]

How is it BS?

[Browneye57]

You found it on the internet. It must be true then, right? For gods sakes man. Don't be a fukkin moron.