Westerners have dominated the world for several centuries now, today we see that they are losing the monopoly of power (I say monopoly not power).
It would seem that many scholars are predicting a happy futur to China, India and Indonesia.
Between us I don't know if it will change much because most of these countries have adopted Western standards.
I specify that I know very well that Asia and the Muslim world once dominated the world for much longer than Westerners. but around the 16th century there was the European miracle.
What do you think the world will look like if it is no longer dominated by the West?
China is starting a drawn out collapse. They've spent trillions of dollars on worthless, useless projects, like a spoiled 14 year old girl in a mall with daddy's gold card, and due to the rampant corruption, most of these projects are unusable. The first huge real estate company has defaulted and the other 15 are approaching that point.
China has had 32 bridge collapses in the last 5 years - none of them more than 20 years old. Thousands of other bridges are made no better. They recently completed a long bridge to connect Hong Kong and Macau to the mainland - a 6 lane bridge with a daily capacity of 60,000 cars, but actual usage is 500 cars a day, which means that maintenance alone will result in a recurring loss of over $100M/year. They probably just won't do the maintenance, and in a few years, the $140B investment will be lost.
There are endless stories like this in China. They spent hundreds of billions building a huge canal to move water into the interior, but no one wants that water because it's toxic.
China also has a serious population problem. No one is having babies, because they see all the problems in China, and they don't want to bring children into that situation.
India doesn't seem as well off from the outside, but are healthier and will be better able to sustain moderate growth, though their ties to China will be a problem as China declines.
As many real problems the West has - many of our own making - we're in little danger of losing our leadership position, even with Sleepy Joe doing his best to make it so.
China will keep collapsing for a while, they have so money problems that they will suffer from now and in the near future. Their lands are extremely polluted, they have a population problem, their building bubble has just broken and they have a giant debt problem. Russia is not going to recover any time soon in todays political and they also have had a shrinking population since the collapse of soviet union. Europe will probably keep its power since there is no rising stars but it will be shrinking too. US is in heavy decline and I see no will to change direction. So they will be bypassed by upcoming nations
Neither india or any African or south America countries are likely to become a bigger player soon but I think we won't be able to ignore those continents as much as we have in the past. Because they are catching up. I simply can't see any countries that will be a new power house. So the influence of great empire are a thing of the past it's more power will be shared between many more players and none will have a big upper hand.
Facebook meta project will fail, and Facebook has reached its peak and is in decline, what will replace it is to be seen but I don't think it will come out of Facebook. Amazon is not favored either so I would see them as a empire or a start of companies that has a following that can be compared to an empire.
Amazon hosts a lot of government and healthcare data. Great for blackmail or shutting down government if their policies do not align with Amazon’s interests. Amazon is killing off brick and mortar stores in the US (toys r us, k mart, Sears, media play, etc) which in their day were thought unstoppable before Amazon started playing 3D chess when they thought they were playing checkers.
The last thing I want is blonde hair becoming crucial to be considered beautiful like it's in the Western countries. It is not important right now to be a blonde in India. Men prefer black or brown hair. I don't want Indian women to bleach their hair as an absolute necessity like white women have to do. Even natural blondes have darker hair with age so they also bleach/dye it.
For Westerns (like most users of GAG) it sounds like a disaster because that means they will no longer be "superior". But for me as a non-Western person it would be amazing! There are so many problems that the world wouldn't have if it wasn't for the prejudice, arrogance and greediness of Westerns.
The key superpower of the west is the ability to reinvent themselfs. Losing globally and fragmenting the world creates new opportunities which are more likely to lead to a renaissance in the west.
For the last 50+ years the west has been dying demographically resulting declining overall power. As that no matter how you cut power both economic and military depends upon having enough people.
The problem with China taking over however is China is in as bad or worse shape demographically they just have more people than any one western country, but still less than all of them combined.
China's main advantage is the ability of leaders unaccountable to the mob which controls culture to push thou changes, this however historically is much more likely to be a liability than an asset over the long run. As people who clime to the top of any hierarchy tend to want to remain there and use their influence to shut down and control rivals.
Indeed this is the main reason China didn't discover and colonize the world long before Europe did. China's centralized rulers didn't see anything of value and only risks and expense. Whereas European civilizations competing with each other took the risk in hopes of gaining an advantage.
We will go back to a multipolar world with spheres of influence. The Global American Empire was great for Western elites and their clients, but deadly to populations that were “brought democracy” by force and resulted in a painful decline of living standards and cultural decline for a growing number of Americans. The empire is tired and other powers are asserting themselves. We’re seeing this with Ukraine now. We’ll see it with Taiwan eventually.
The US decision to confiscate (steal) the foreign reserves of Afghanistan and Russia have severely undermined confidence in the dollar and accelerated dedollarization. The dollar’s dominance is critical to Washington’s ability to project force. As the dollar loses reserve currency status, it will no longer afford to project force abroad. It might not even be able to project force internally. Resource-poor Western Europe, parts of which have deindustrialized and all of which has cut itself off from its main provider of natural resources (Russia), will face unimaginable suffering and deprivation. Having been flooded by non-Western people, combined with tons of small arms handed out in Ukraine that will end up on the black market, I hesitate to think of what will happen to indigenous Europeans.
America has the resources to be self-sufficient, but suffers under an elite that despises the common people, the mass importation of foreigners to serve as client groups, and irreconcilable ideological and regional differences among its people. Inflation will no doubt skyrocket and become structural as the dollar declines, at which time I expect the cultivation of group identity by intersectional leftism will result in internal strife between ethnic groups. As a result, the US will probably suffer either a Soviet-style collapse and balkanization, or will have an increasingly authoritarian government.
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What I like about the United States and some European countries, is not only that they are good places to live because of their powerful governments but also what kind of mindset they bring to the world. A powerful country establishes its own system and way of living to the world. I think I like the world to be liberal and in a way that people have the right to choose what they wear, what they eat and what they do as much as it isn't hurtful to other people responsibly (not that someone says what you wear breaks my heart or similar stuff) and to those lucky people who live in those countries (to those who want to change everything), I like to say that trying to fix something may look more complicated than building a new one from scratch at first, but if you look deeper, everything that is already there would have to be reimplanted from scratch and who knows it'll turn out any better. I personally don't think anything is wrong fundamentally with the current system of United States or for example Germany or England. The problems you may experience there, I guess is fixable although maybe not easily but still. Anyways it's your country, It's only a thought.
Alchemist in middle east inspired Europe. No matter what invention that westerners was mircale because of robbery. I think I still expect to see russia that develop without piaying fee of invention to western to see what happen. What resources that USA wanted that are not producted in america much. I think basically develop by each own. you know we know than take it in our own land. I dont count historical stream as western view let it be. because Europe copied too much from middle east language word was so. Not creative as western claim but it is also random to come up. So who know, maybe chinese just want to live their own as balance inside. No westerners went to their land to occupy and fight each other in their land as they were not a country. They were lanzy and act slowly but worth to live in their living fully because everthing is hurry since worrying about westerners do it on their land again.
Superstition runs rampant, life is cheap, personal liberties stamped out by incredibly strict governments... The western world as it is isn't perfect, but it's damn better than the alternative. The more right wingers get in control the more progress they will undo and bring us back to a more eastern world.
You think progress has been made in the last 15 months💩 in the US? The dollar is weak inflation is rampant. The blue state Covid shutdowns and mandatory vaccines were BS and cost many their jobs. The police were defunded in blue cities only to see crime rise as high as 200pct in some states like Oregon. But on average 30pct or more. So trans and gays got pandered to? They want to allow grade schoolers to be so confused as to who they are. CRT. Teach same white 6 year old he is an oppressor and his black best friend that he’s a victim of said 6 year old friend. Print trillions upon trillions and give us 1400$ while the rest goes in their pockets. Cover major stories like Hunters laptop while covering a lie Russiagate 24/7. End fossil fuels without a plan to transition. Open Russias Pipeline. Shutdown ours. Have the leader of the free world look weak as he is (elderly abuse). Our VP cannot say a paragraph that makes sense. Pelosi is drunk at the podium. It’s progress alright if you are an enemy of the US trying to destroy it! Our transportation secretary gets months of paternity leave because he’s gay and adopted a baby. 🤦♂️And of course the southern border. Millions get in put up in hotels And are given free smart phones. It’s sad that we are so easily duped
Men will dominate and women's rights will be stiffled. Along with LGBTQ and religeous freedom. Free speech will be lost and the world will be jailed for the little things or excecuted and we all will be run by millitary dictators and relgious fanatics.
@keep_ya_head_up That's my response and if you don't like it then it's your problem. not mine. Also. you've had your one and only chance to keep things civil. I urge you to heed that warning.
@keep_ya_head_up yet you leave out the 800k killed in Rawanda in 100 days. You leave out the slavery that still exists in Africa. You leave out the fact that Africans corralled up other tribes and sold them to the Saudis and Europeans. You forget that besides South Africa which allowed colonization which gave them roads food, prosperity that Africa has not evolved much. Millions starve there yearly and without aid from the west millions more would starve. No one seems to be leaving America for Africa to live better. Warlords rule the people.
@keep_ya_head_up keyboard warrior. Frothing at the mouth to call names and troll hard. Eat another Twinkie and be sure to keep your mask on between bites. Slave
You can’t argue with these people waiting on the next handout. He’s in his moms basement dying his hair purple and getting ready for a march to teach 2 yr olds about being gay
A vastly different future with China by far the prominent power , its just so obvious they are playing the long game , slowly will gather far and far more influence across the world , already indirectly much of Asia , massive future influence in India , and will begin in USA by controlling a state.
Whatever it is, I know I don't want to be part of it. Because I think it would look very different. China is a repressive, communist regime, with little concern for human rights. Russia has clearly shown that they care nothing at all about the value of human life. Muslim nations are, for the most part, repressive and denigrate women. So, no, I don't want to be part of that.
As long as the US keeps its military up to date the west will stay in power. Usually when monetary powers get fat and lazy and overprint like we have done they arch down and a country like China who is arching up takes the reigns. But the world in the east now ( thanks to the web) wants more freedoms. China included. We see the uprising in Russia and how antiquated their military is. China is the same way. They lose a war with the US
Oh, great! A redneck now speaks for 1.4 billion Chinese and knows what they want better than themselves. The world is sick of Americans and their shit.
@keep_ya_head_up and a millennial speaks so we know he has no world experience except inside his IPhone. If you watched them try to protest and get beaten your lying eyes would show you. The people in Shanghai screaming for food on lockdown I’m sure love their situation.
You've never been to China. A sissy ass bitch like you would be called "baizuo" by the Chinese. They actually laugh at the West and its "fweeeeedoms," the fact that you think they're screaming for "Western fweeeeeedoms" shows how non-existent is your understanding of the Chinese society.
About Shanghai, there weren't lockdowns in the US too? Canada? Germany? France?
@keep_ya_head_up we weren’t screaming from our apartments for food. But the Chinese are weak. They have been pushed around so much they have no will to fight. They haven’t much practice. They invest a billion a year in defense. We invest 700 billion. Our war machine chews China up and spits their little ramen noodle eating asses out. I mean Taiwan is right there. Go get it lol. I mean why not right? Oh yea you have no carriers. No nuclear submarines or aircraft carriers. No battle harden soilders.
1 year ago you were being trashed by the Taliban, a bunch of goat herders. You lost pretty much every war you've been since the WW2... Who are you trying to impress with this big talk?
You let Mao poison the culture and mind. Destroy the olds and embraced communism and killed millions of your own. Better move fast because in 2024 you are done
@keep_ya_head_up well I hope you are a nice group of people then lol. Remember history has shown the last 500 years the power in decline and the power on the rise have all gone to war except once. When Britain ceded to us. So keep backing the Russians and trade oil with the Saudis in the yuan and force the world to pick a side. You can have Iran Saudi Arabia and Russia. Oh and North we have no food Korea. But in the end it will be war that decides who runs the world. Your shipping lanes are useless if the goods can’t get where they are going. We will suffer as well no doubt. You make our shoes. But the West and the world does not favor your form of rule. Without the US China is nothing and the US has made you what you are and we are dependent on each other. So it will make for an interesting next few decades
@keep_ya_head_up we lost less than 5k troops in 20 years of war. The only reason we didn’t wipe the floor with them is the fact we aren’t allowed to totally annihilate them. We took any region we wanted. Iraq, total victory. China is not a country experienced in military maneuvers. We watch the skirmishes you’ve had with India and we are not impressed. That stealth fighter you have is called the poor man’s F 35.
You're so retarded that you think the Chinese aircraft carriers are powered by coal... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Russian army is outnumbered 1:5 in Ukraine. They sent a force of 170k men to face a 900k Ukrainian army. Soon you'll see your javelins and stingers being used by the Mexican drug cartels against you, as the Russians will get a good deal selling it to them. 😂
China is the global industrial power, the world needs China. The world doesn't need the US anymore.
Appreciate the USA were the only ones that saved all of your asses. Don’t forget World War II in Normandy France D-Day if not Hitler would’ve ruled your country for life and took it over Germany would have always owned France with Hitler or without Hitler. Thanks to the USA your free 😊
I think that these countries are going to push their beliefs on the world and we will all be strong armed into a dictatorship. There will be very little fighting compared to what most people would expect. I think China is going to compromise computer systems around the world and at that point there will be no choice but to surrender to their desires.
It would be a complete net negative. If we want to talk about actual tyranny, bigotry, prejudice, classism, sexism, racism, authoritarianism.. . etc I can promise you each of those issues will expand multifold The West has its struggles, but its evils are of no comparison
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It will look less pale, (while being replaced with) far more vibrate colors!
@Jvilleog Uh-mm, how could you possibly attain "lower IQ/aka white trash" from the words "vibrant colors"? Oh, you thought I was talking about Trump, didn't you? No my friend, we're moving "forwards", not backwards!
That was poorly worded on my behalf and not read thoroughly. For that I apologize. I was stuck on a political rant with a guy from China. I totally meant the current administration. I by no way meant lower IQs by having people of color in America. You have my utmost apology for lack of attention to detail.
Our upbringing and schooling dictates that. We are all even in my opinion as children and life experiences, parenting, and schooling determine our Intelligence. God that comment looked bad.
But we are by no means moving forward in regards to what is in the whitehouse and it’s insane policies. We cannot blame inflation on Covid or Trump. Trump had the Platinum plan where he was working with black celebrities to give businesses tax breaks to open factories in low income neighborhoods to give them jobs. HBCUs have been coming to the president yearly hat in hand. Trump funded them for a decade
It’s funny how people of color vote D usually just because they think Democrats support them. If they do they have been doing a shitty job. Republicans voted 100-0 to free the slaves. Not one democrat supported it. Civil rights republicans voted for that. Democrats did not. Democrats created and manned the kkk to scare away Republican voters. There are 5000+ lynchings recorded in history. 4000+ were black southerners over 1000 white Republican southerners weee also lynched. Gotta do your research
Margaret Sanger who created the American birth control federation (later changed to planned parenthood) was a democrat and strategically placed them in Harlem and in places blacks were
@Jvilleog Damn, chill dude! Seems that I have struck a white nerve, here. I only read about 3 sentences of your aimless rant, just know that "the slave will become the master and the master will become slave" that's God saying that; not me, bra!
@notwoke If you're basing that on your limited, white-washed knowledge of real-history, then I'll graciously give your little Fox News retort a C- (for effort).
well thats the goal of the democratic party and then once they succeed with bringing as many low IQ humans to the USA, China will have the only country with a high enough average intellect to sustain an advanced civilization. Europe is already only a few generations from becoming a third world county due to demographics
Which country would you rather live in China or America? Even I who would never chose to live in America knows the obvious answer. So unless your talking about Japan becoming the massive eastern power that dominates no thanks.
China is in decline right now too, so that's not going to happen at least not for a long term era. The most likely outcome of global decline of the major powers is the rise of several smaller, regional powers.
I wouldn't trust Arabic and Chinese powers with global domination. If its the latter, Africa is wiped out. If its the former. Saudi's wahabiist dogmatic version of Islam takes hold and more people die in the name of a false dichotomy. Pick your poison.
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Slowly expanding Russia and China until we’re mostly Russian or Chinese. Holdouts will be the US and India, but they’ll be strangled into recession until they can’t put up a fight. All this assuming they are unwilling to put up a fight before then which I think might be the case. I think everyone in the west is so afraid of war that they’ll let themselves be trampled on.
I'd like to see a lot of move away from the western globalizing of cultures, to be honest. But I doubt it will happen. Sadly everyone seems to follow western trends now.
