Do you think it's okay to kill the journalists just because they doing their job?

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

Shereen Abu Aqleh American-Palestinian journalist working for AlJazerah news was doing her job and got killed by headshot from The Israeli Armed forces... it's not a crime?, does she worth it because she just show what Israel doing in Palestine for the world? , Doesn't this a break for the law of the freedom of journalism and media?

[tartaarsaus]

The problem here is that nobody really knows conclusively what happened. Both the Palestinian government and Israeli government for now basically say “we cannot say with certainty who killed her”.


And that’s the essential problem. For example, it is possible that she was killed by a stray bullet. If that’s the case, she would not be killed just because she was doing her job. It is tragic, but it’s fundamentally different, because she was not the target and her death would be an accident.


But for now, that doesn’t really matter. Neither side has offered conclusive proof of who killed her. That will require a) an autopsy and b) ballistic research on any bullet that would be extracted. At that point, it is clear who killed her. And then the further study starts in what the circumstances of her death were.


The point is, none of this is clear right now. And these things can take weeks/months.

[tartaarsaus]

With respect to whether it’s a crime, if she was targeted, yes.

If she was a bystander and killed by a stray bullet, *maybe*.

Armed forces are legally required to exercise caution and try to minimize bystander casualties (especially journalists). But this doesn’t mean they cannot be killed, it means that whatever is reasonably possible must be done to avoid killing them. This is an essential difference.

So whether it is a crime that occurs, that requires even further investigation then a simple “who killed her?”.

And yet again, this takes time.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

She killed by sniper, and she was wearing armor and were wrote in this armor "Press" I don't think it's just an accident!!

[tartaarsaus]

No conclusive proof has been offered even by what kind of weapon she was killed. As such, it is not proven she was killed by a sniper.

Also, her wearing a logo with press on it matters for whether she was intentionally targeted or for severe negligence. But neither of those are clear.

Repeating myself again. There is no evidence by what kind of gun she was killed, at was distance she was killed nor even which party killed her.

This requires ballistics research on any extracted round.

And that simply takes time

[Lord_Saddler]

Zionists when the Bucha massacre happened: "Oh, no, these evil #Orcs killed innocent Ukrainians! I know it was them!"

Zionists when the IDF kills Palestinian children, civilians or journalists: "Well, akshually (a tor**** of lame excuses)."

You are doing a poor job at deceiving people because we're not buying into it!

[tartaarsaus]

Ugh. Even the Palestinian Authority and such say that they don’t know who killed her.

But sure, after autopsy it simply not being clear what kind of bullet was fired, what kind of gun was used to fire that bullet or anything like that is a “lame excuse” lmfao

Comparing this with Bucha is pretty damn stupid. That was pretty much an area completely controlled by Russia right until those bodies were found.

Meanwhile, this journalists puts herself into an area with active firefights to report on them.

Equating these is just utterly retarded.

[Lord_Saddler]

Is there an ongoing proper investigation to determine what happened in Bucha, autopsy and witness statements? No. According to your own "logic" (well, if you hadn't a dishonest, self-serving one) we can't say that it was the Russians the perpetrators of the massacre in Bucha because there's no direct evidence that they did it.

But in the case of the murder of the Al Jazeera's journalist there are at least a dozen reports from witnesses that it was the IDF that killed her. Of course you will gaslight them because that's your job. Just don't think we will take you seriously, because we can see your BS as you're doing a poor job.

If I were your handler, I would cut your salary by half until you improve your hasbara game.

[tartaarsaus]

The difference with Bucha is that literally nobody had access to that entire area until Russia literally left. And from satellite imagery it was clear that those bodies weren’t just piled up once the Ukrainians reconquered that area.

It can’t really be someone else because quite literally no armed force had any access to that area to just execute people.

With respect to this case, witness statements are important. But they in and of itself are never any proof to sentence anyone to jail for murder. This is especially the case if people have a bias in either direction. The simple fact of the matter is that autopsies are objective, and ballistic research of what kind of bullets were used will immediately indicate it.

Simply said, a murder investigation that only depends on a few witness statements would be laughed out of court. You need objective proof, which is autopsy and ballistic research. And well, the first showed that a) it is not clear who killed her and b) there are negotiations to have both the Israelis and Palestinians do ballistics together.

[tartaarsaus]

Obvious difference with Bucha.

Both Israelis and Palestinians have been geolocated to have used guns in the general area where this journalist was killed. Both Israeli and Palestinians also use the type of bullet used to kill this journalist.

So both could have been physically present in this area where she was killed.

In contrast, Bucha was miles off the frontline with people being executed at gunpoint. That cannot be achieved by artillery

[tartaarsaus]

The simplest most fool-proof and by far most credible evidence that exists is simply ballistics.

That would actually be evidence that holds up in court as sufficient evidence, as opposed to only witness statements from potentially biased parties.

[Lliam]

Thank you for sharing this, brother.
Israel has been a criminal nation since the beginning. It's ruthless, brutal and sadistic. I've been aware of it for many years.
I'm Facebook friends with some Palestinians, as well as people like Miko Peled, Eva Karene Bartlett and others.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

I know that, they are criminals!!

[Amy10223]

Many journalists have been killed in Ukraine as well. Does it answer your question? It’s a dangerous job, especially when there is war.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

But this is mean it's okay?

[Lord_Saddler]

Why do you and your government support the Apartheid State of Israel then, @Amy10223?

[Amy10223]

No, it doesn’t. But with this kind of job, it is expected to have an element of danger in it. Much like being a policeman or a fireman, or even a politician. Even a teacher!

[Lord_Saddler]

I asked you a question, @Amy10223, why do you support the apartheid regime in Israel?

[Amy10223]

@Lord_Saddler I don’t. You don’t know me. Don’t be so irate.

[jennifer_bloom]

I don’t think either Israel or Palestine is to be chosen over the other, it would be better for them to stop fighting

[Lord_Saddler]

What can we expect from an apartheid regime?

That's why Nelson Mandela once said, “We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.”

An apartheid regime doesn't care if their "security" forces kill and terrorize people, as Israel has been doing to the Palestinians since 1948.

[Lord_Saddler]

@Subarugirl This is what I was talking to you. Are you proud of the regime you support?

[Subarugirl]

I don’t support the regime so I’m not sure what you are talking about

[Lord_Saddler]

@Subarugirl What do you think of this, @apartheidgirl? twitter.com/.../1405230911290064897

[DryGermanGuy]

Without an official inquiry nobody can really say what happened. The Israeli government offered the Palestinian authority a joint investigation. So how about just doing that?

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

Many governments asked the Israeli government to conduct an international, impartial investigation into the incident, and Israel refused, on the grounds that it was unacceptable for it to investigate the affairs of the Israeli army as military affairs by an outside party

[DryGermanGuy]

Stop inventing things.

"Mr Bennett also said Israel had called on the Palestinian Authority to conduct a joint post mortem and investigation in order to get to the truth. He claimed that Palestinian officials had so far refused the offer, but a Palestinian minister said there had been no contact from Israel about a joint probe."

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-61403320

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

Yes, but why they refused international investigation?
Of course Palestine will not accept investigation from Israel themselves as a fair investigation!!

[tartaarsaus]

@Mahmoud_Madyan

Read it. According to the BBC, Israel offered a *joint* investigation. In others words, both the Palestinians and Israelis investigate it *together*.

[RolandCuthbert]

You are not going to find much sympathy in this forum.

But good luck.

[OddBeMe]

No, I’m hope the international federation of journalists will investigate. But the US “Christian Zionists” give a lot of leeway to israel. Fcking Jesus freaks.

[IMuser]

Please put the full story as "she was doing her job" is a vague remark.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

Read the description

[IMuser]

I did not understand what doing her job meant in this context: was it that she was simply reporting a local event and Israeli forces killed her for no reason? Or was she snooping in some military secrets or anything which could be considered dangerous?

[IMuser]

Or maybe I am not exactly informed about the situation (except that Israel and Palestine are in bad terms)

[Anonymous]

Those are the risks you take in warzones. It's like that female reporter who got gang raped by 100 Muslims.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

When 100 Muslim raped female reporter?

[Opinion Owner]

https://youtu.be/Q65eLnbmdhk

[Amy10223]

This is terrible. Thanks for making us aware! I had no idea.

[Opinion Owner]

@Amy10223 it's part of Egyptian culture.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

Part of the Egyptian culture?
They are just 100 from 110 Million!!

[Amy10223]

I don’t think that happened in Egypt. I also don’t think it’s fair to blame this incident on Egyptians.

[Anonymous]

You've been reported for anti-semitism.

There is absolutely no proof Israel was behind the attack!

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

Anti-Semitism?

[EyeKnowMeNahYou]

Well that is the new way of censoring and that just shows you what the government is fearful of, the people getting knowledge

[SignedAutographs]

The old phrase "don't kill the messenger" comes to mind

[Intothevoid666]

If a country doesn’t have an expectation for freedom of the press I think that should be respected.

[NamerOfStars]

That's unfortunate, but how is it any different grom any other journalist killed in a war zone? It's not an uncommon thing.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

The sexual harassment is common... so, it's okay?

[NamerOfStars]

Not at all- that's why it's criminal. But thanks to the Palestinians, Israel's pretty much yermanently a wal zone now. Are there salient details you haven't mentioned that make this more than an unfortunate war death to toss on the pile?

[Pito123]

They killed her with cold blood.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

They are really criminals!!

[Anonymous]

The west doesn't care because the person in question was a Muslim woman. if it was some white woman there would be outrage.

[DryGermanGuy]

That woman was a Christian Palestinian.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

She's Christian and have the American nationality

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. Shows the damn Isreal military is like.

[LadiesFavoriteToy]

If its a democrat its okay tool kill because its fake news.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

How did you know that it's fake new?