Who would you want to run in 2024 besides Trump and Biden?

[OpenClose]

I'm a leftie, though I consider myself libertarian-left. So it's no lie I'm no fan of Trump or *most* of his policies. Just wanted to get that out of the way.

At this point, Trump is pretty dug in deep in controversy. Going against Biden after how this term has been going is pretty much a lay-up, but I think the controversy could do it. But I feel like there are plenty who could share his general policy positions. But TBH, I felt like he mostly paid lip service to his positions, and then basically politically poisoned them with bad tweets and contradictions. I feel like conservatives could do MUCH better while still having someone outside the GOP.

Speaking of paying lip service to positions, Biden had a lot of bold plans, but lacks the focus that Obama had his first term. By lacking focus, I mean he seems asleep at the wheel. The BBB bill should have been split up, but after it was rejected everyone just kinda gave up on it in general. While I was a fan of pulling out of Afghanistan (One of the areas I agreed with Trump), he basically doesn't have many big wins to his name and could cost 2024. Like I said, it's more or less a lay-up. Who would you want running besides Biden?

And in either case, here's another thing to think about. Who would you want to run in the OTHER party? Not in the sense of sabotaging them, but in terms of who would be closest to your ideals, or at least someone you could respect from the other party even if you disagree with their politics?

[Anonymous]

Biden is getting a lot of bad publicity, but he is a lot more pragmatic and effective on the job than he is given credit for. He's not my ideal candidate, but I would have him over any GOP candidate—both on policy and political ability.

Bernie Sanders will have a stronger chance this round, if he's still willing to run. Younger voters are more and more eager to see some profound change, and democratic-socialist positions have a stronger ground. I'm ready to bet that America is going to move in that direction sooner or later.

[BarryLiverstone]

Unfortunately you may be right. The Marxists have effectively planted roots in the USA and we may see a shift this decade.

[Opinion Owner]

@BarryLiverstone not sure if you're being serious! Marxism has some history in the USA but it's always been to the margins. Not in mainstream politics for sure. Democratic socialism is not marxism, because it fully supports capitalism and free market. Most countries in continental Europe are social democracies to some extent, and they enjoy more liberties than Americans. Don't mistake progressive social policy with the theory of state-run economy. That's not going to happen in the USA.

[BarryLiverstone]

I am being serious and obv not suggesting the US is a Marxist nation anytime soon. But what I am saying is the strategy is to continue to pull everything to the left and continue to erode traditional values. What I’m saying is the nation isn’t going right anytime soon and institutions such as the nuclear family and individual rights are going to continue to be eroded.

[OpenClose]

I'd say the only Marxist idea that's gained much traction is that of everyone being judged primarily on an oppressor/oppressed dichotomy, and being judged drastically differently accordingly. You could argue that's Marxism, but I'm not sure how much Marx would agree.

But as far as economic Marxism, we're extremely far from anything of the sort, with little to no worker representation in politics and in control of the means of production.

There is somewhat rising anti-capitalist sentiment since the 2008 collapse and occupy movements. But the solution to that would either to actually implement decent social policies, or to actually make capitalism work for people. Telling poor people that the stock market is great doesn't breed new die-hard capitalism fans.

[OpenClose]

The nuclear family might be somewhat eroded. But individual rights have been expanded by a rather significant amount. The main individual right I'm concerned about is just that of speech, but I think that's being eroded more at the corporate level and not the federal or legal level.

[Opinion Owner]

@OpenClose you make good points! The growing uncertainty is what is driving younger people towards promises of change. Left-wing has a solid ground here, especially with people who are well-informed and educated, because it can actually enact social change. Conservativism degrades into authoritarianism if left unchecked, in times of uncertainty.

The shape of the family, nuclear or whatever, is one of those things that I wouldn't want a government to decide for me, though.

[LadiesFavoriteToy]

You know what? I find people who claim to be Democrat and vote for them are the most racist and savage hypocrite s in the USA. Look at California all Democrat and they say affordable housing yet when the government proposes rent substitute housing in neighboring houses they all vote no! Haha and look at the house prices what have they done? Fuck all! With poor people and tent city. He'll California drugs are legal theft is not a crime and shitting in the streets is not a problem? This is a democrat liar.

[Paige90]

Who in their right mind would vote for Biden in 2024? He is the worst POTUS in history. I would like to see Ron Desantis as the next POTUS.

[Anonymous]

I don't think Biden will make it through his first term.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/OARVosrEQpY

The whole world is laughing at us.

[OpenClose]

Rather, whole world *continues to laugh at us. They've been laughing since 2016.

[Opinion Owner]

Did Russia invade Ukraine before or after Trump left office?

[OlderAndWiser]

Dream candidate: Trey Gowdy.
Most likely candidate: Ted Cruz.
Another potential candidate who would do well: Ron DeSantis. We LOVE our governor!

[loveslongnails]

Neither of them should even THINK about running. Their both ancient, outdated and frankly, fucking useless. Unfortunately, I can't think of anybody I'd like to see be President who would even consider taking the job. The only name that comes to mind who is honorable enough to hold the office is lawyer and former DEA Director Chuck Rosenberg, and he wants NOTHING to do with politics. He quit the post after some of Trump's remarks.

[lightbulb27]

Tulsi Gabbard
Governor Desantis

Actors/sports heros
Matthew Mcconaugh - why not...
Whoopi Goldburg - yep... time to run girl
Shaquille O w Michael Jordan VP or Jim Brown

Lastly:
IBM Robot
Someone chinese or Indian... we need some diversity. Pick a CEO.

[andreasderjuengere]

As an outsider of ''Amoronca'' I can't be bothered.
But I do like Bernie Sanders as a person. And I like his gloves as well :)

[OpenClose]

OMG I almost forgot about the mittens!

[andreasderjuengere]

They were... just nice. And even better - no matter which ''ideal'' we follow - anyone would like them when it's freaking cold :D

[WhiteSteve]

Just rooting for one of those giant meteors to not miss us at this point, lmao

[OpenClose]

Meteor/Extinction 2024. "The administration of great impact".

[WhiteSteve]

Now there’s a winning slogan😂👍

[BeMuse]

Don't worry you won't have much of a choice... The shit storm that is coming will change your entire perspective on the world.

[AviatorTom]

In 2024, I'd like to see new blood and ideas on both parties. Trump and Biden can't be the best America has to offer.

[Anonymous]

I'm conservative but for the other side Andrew Yang on the UBI ticket it's gonna happen just not in dollar but after it's inevitable hyperinflated collapse but social credits after the reset is managed

[CloudMassacre]

I can’t think of a mainstream democrat I would run against Trump. I honestly can’t think of a democrat that’s left enough for me, Bernie is too old and he bends the knee to the establishment, so 🤷‍♂️ Maybe The Rock or some ridiculous bullshit

[OpenClose]

Bring back Al Franken and Jill Stein:

Franken/Stein 2024 "Breathe life back into the country"

[Sixgunsound]

This is the election a Libertarian could win when both parties are equally despised by all. Paging Dr. Rand Paul, your country needs you to operate!

[JamesDiaz11]

I think Ron Desantis would be good, but I'd really like to see Elon Musk run.

[Anonymous]

I have zero faith in the credibility and legitimacy of elections in America. It really doesn’t matter.

[DWornock]

Florida governor Ron DeSantis. We need a republican candidate; not two democrats Trump and Biden.

[BarryLiverstone]

Other party? Tulsi Gabbard

[OpenClose]

Very nice. Yeah I thought she was one of their best bets in terms of general election potential. Same with Andrew Yang, though for the right-wing it would have had to be on the basis that UBI wouldn't become a thing, which I wouldn't expect it to in our current political climate anyway.

[BarryLiverstone]

Her and condoleezza rice would be an interesting ticket

[OpenClose]

Yeah I feel like they would bring something back to the seat.

[OpenClose]

Professionalism. That's what they would bring back.

[nawtee_me]

Biden won't be running, the democrats will make sure of that.

[PatriceONeal]

You need to name policy and not just say your 3rd party. You'll get weird looks.

[jimmy2]

Doubt Biden be alive by then or he be taken out of office

[MarkRet]

I'd prefer Katie Porter or Gretchen Whitmer.

[888theGreat]

Trump's oldest son I would vote for.

[Snakeyes7]

What do you think of Ron DeSantis?