Do you think the shortstaffing crisis is a matter of "People don't wanna work", or something way deeper?

[smahala1991]

To me it's a mix of both. People don't want to work, but not because they are lazy. It's the simple fact that anymore Factory, retail, or restaurant workers often work 6 days a week or longer before ever getting a day off. People keep getting constantly fired or quitting over petty shit. While people in office jobs get all the good benefits, PTO, and weekends off.

[NotTacocaT6969]

On a graph representing a functional economy, the values representing productivity and compensation will be nearly the same.


That’s because one is a direct reflection of the other.


Without productivity there is nothing to compensate and without compensation there is no need to produce.


Productivity has gone up every year since 1914.


Compensation has stagnated since 1970.


The short answer to your question is; willingness to work is irrelevant to the destruction of the economy.

[JaxiCats]

It’s because no one wants to pay a livable wage

[WindAtMyBack]

You have it backwards. It's because people want far more money than what they are worth.

[JaxiCats]

@WindAtMyBack then how are people supposed to survive when they can barely make ends meet?

[WindAtMyBack]

I don't know where you live, but here in the US it's EASY to make ends meet. That's not what people want. They say they want a "living wage", but that's not really what they want.. What they really want is to live in luxury.

[msc545]

@WindAtMyBack Yes, luxuries like food, water, and shelter are only for wealthy and very hard workers. Dumbshit.

[WindAtMyBack]

@msc545
Earning enough money for food, water and shelter is easy. That's not what people want. They want far more than that.

If you are at this site then you are using the Internet. THAT is a luxury that didn't even exist not long ago. People don't just want food water and shelter. They want all kind of other stuff.

It is EASY to live on a full time minimum wage job and still save some money. I know a lot of people think they can't. But just because they don't know how to do it, or don't want to do it, doesn't mean they can't do it.

[msc545]

@WindAtMyBack If it was easy we would have so many people living on the street. It may be easy for you and me - it is not easy for everyone.

[WindAtMyBack]

@msc545
Just because something is easy doesn't mean everyone will do it. Just because it's easy for most people doesn't mean it's easy for the mentally ill or drug addicts. Just because it's easy doesn't mean a lazy person will do it. Just because it's easy doesn't mean people who are gaming the system will stop.

The question is broader than that. It's about people in general. The truth of the matter is that people suck at living frugally. They buy all kind of crap they don't need then complain that they aren't getting paid enough for a starting level job that requires no education, experience or skill. They want something for nothing.

[msc545]

@WindAtMyBack I understand that you believe that everyone is out to cheat the system (and you). Must be awful to live that way.

[Drumlin2001]

In UK it seems to be a combination of things. There are some who don't want to work, or at least not certain types of jobs. Covid put a number of people out of work who found alternative industries to work in, with better work/life balances. Following Brexit and Covid a number of European workers left and wint be returning, and its more difficult to bring staff in from abroad.

[NathanDavis]

I will give you all of my benefits... if you cover the 60 hours a work I do, every week, minimum and you also have to do it as good, or better than I do

I will include free paid vacations for two weeks, if you're able to cover the 40 hours I clocked in three days, about two weeks ago... again, under the levels of stress and pressure that an office job like mine requires

[WindAtMyBack]

Exactly. People working at restaurants can end up making more per hour than salaried people in offices.

I remember working 110 hour weeks and not getting paid a cent for the OT. This is why I quit working on salary and only work by the hour. OT pay adds up real fast.

Several years ago I had a friend who just became a doctor starting at 160K per year. I calculated her equivalent hourly pay was around $18-19 per hour.

[NathanDavis]

@WindAtMyBack right... lol

sometimes I wish my work was 9 to 5... ONLY, then I can forget about it for the rest of my day

but with many office work... the office can call you close to midnight, or 5/6AM in the morning (in my personal case, sometimes they call around 3AM because of international timings) and of course, just because you have your day off, it does not mean that clients and customers are taking their day off... and you cannot exactly answer them with "sorry, these are not my working hours"

24/7 can be all working hours, depending on what kind of office you're running or running with... lmao

it is just two different beasts... and each has it's pros and cons

so it should be your choice to make, if you do not like one... then just go with the other

[msc545]

@WindAtMyBack 160K = 77 per hour roughly for a 40-hour week. Still not enough.

[Avicenna]

When I did this type of work as a teenager, it was often the same, so this isn't a completely new development. These jobs mostly suck, so that's the likely explanation, but what doesn't make sense to me is that we are in a high inflation environment and lots of people have significant debts, which usually means people need to work more, i. e., the supply of labor is greater.

[Googlemyahoo]

I think its a combination of ;

1. Government not allowing unvaccinated people to work

2. Lazy welfare cases

3. Younger generation raised on social media attention can’t get over the fact their not special and never think the job they have is “the one.”

https://www.youtube.com/embed/H7eWZFgo2xI

[ChiTown33]

I don't look at it as a crisis. I mean don't get me wrong I do feel bad for the overworked people in the service industry. But at the risk of sounding like a jerk. They're choosing to remain in a job that underpays them. Employers will ALWAYS pay a person what they think they can get away with paying someone.

[Jamie05rhs]

Not sure. Good question.

Though I'm going to go out on a limb here with a possible hypothesis.
Hear me out, ok?
MAYBE, possibly, some of it might be due to hypergamy? Like, dudes don't want to take those jobs because they aren't glamorous enough and they can't get dates having a job like that?

That's just a theory, of course. I could be completely wrong.

[RangerBlue22]

Well they are going to have to work sooner or later. Unlike what radical socialists believe money doesn’t materialize out of thin air.

[WindAtMyBack]

They don't want to work. More specifically they don't want to work unless they make far more money than their experience and skills deserves.

[goaded]

People don't wanna work... shitty jobs.

They're mad as hell and not going to take it any longer.

[msc545]

People now refuse to work in bad conditions or for bad pay or both.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Something way deeper plus a lot of stress placed on the workers

[shortster]

It isn't just those jobs that are short staffed. Science jobs used to be hard to get. Now I get daily emails about new ones opening up.

[MiseriaCantareAFI]

there's enough jobs out there for people. it's that people DONT WANT TO WORK