When you hear 'drag show' do you automatically assume its sexual?

[Still-alive]

Just wanna see a show of hands on this one basically. not gonna elaborate or argue. ill leave my opinion out of this one.

Yes to me 'drag show' = sexual to me

No 'drag show' does not autmatically mean sexual to me

Updates

2 mo

"DeSantis's undercover officers at drag shows say they saw nothing inappropriate"

www.miamiherald.com/.../article273247175.html

[Rosexøxø]

I think for a time, this was the only (few) place (s) men could dress lady-like, and it would be considered acceptable/somewhat acceptable.

For that reason, I think it is sexual. It was a sexual movement.

It was a statement.

If the guys joined mostly to embrace the art of fashion, and they'd rather style lady-wear than men's wear, then I suppose it's not sexual. (It would be art).

I wanted to say sexual before, but I know when it was just women, it would be fashion/ art, but when men came into it, it seemed more sexual. Are some women sexualized? yes

Do women enjoy clothing fashion?(also) yes

Men could have done so for men's fashion, but these men wanted to style (specifically) in women's fashion.

The clothes, whether stylish or not, were geared for women, so for men to break sexual barriers to do the same, means it was sexually rooted. Even if they had just an objective to be artistic in an unprecedented way.

• Those who believe someone was "born" being the wrong gender, will say that drag shows are entirely art and will dismiss any idea of gender change. (gender fluid all this may have no significance to them unless it was specifically significant/life-changing/ impactful in their change).
• Those who believe otherwise will have to acknowledge the CLEAR and definite cross-over and thus emphasize the sexual aspect of the matter.
• A rare few may even emphasize the change and say it IS sexual and they loved being able to transfer over in such a "liberating" and sexual way- in the best sense (possible/imagined).

Now for myself personally, I think it is sexual.

I also never watched any drag show; only skimmed it on tv, or saw a commercial of some notorious drag (person?) and had a family member briefly explain it to me. Also, I could clearly see at that time when things were most obvious that they were indeed men. If there were any women, I did not notice them as the "elephant in the room," respectively.

[Rosexøxø]

I voted sexual.

It would be nearly 1% of men (the rare exceptions/ minority) who find art amongst/amidst sex, without *sexualizing it,* but a majority of men regardless of their identification, find sex as an art anyways, and to them, this would be art in a sexual sense.

possibly like a visual erotica or so.

That's my unfiltered and possibly unpopular, and technical opinion/ view on this. Interesting question, and I really had to think and add rational thinking- and in this case, critical thinking, just so my response would not seem biased/ or entirely emotionally rooted. I went with my gut, and gave the reasoning behind it.

Fun question, for sure.

[Rosexøxø]

lol looking at the poll I can see your opinion on this a bit. It kind of seeped through the word usage. Obviously, I am not surprised by the 80% who say in consequence it is not, but how many thought of this? Or was it all entirely trying to justify and then seem non-phobic and such?

I was anti-homo/ not homophobic, but I don't care anymore for it. I say be free straight and non-straight, but let's be technical, even lol

categories and such. If we can have l to the g to the b to the q can't we also have technicalities in different parts of society? I mean, even further so, none of us could answer for those models/ artists. They know why they specifically joined, and I think that decision would be based on their views on the entire industry of it.

Anyways, that's all I had to say, pretty much. Nothing to add, and probs really nothing changed, since I thought of my response before smashing the submit button lol

[Rosexøxø]

lmao.. I see the exact poll stats, and I'm the only girl and the only one to vote it as sexual. I don't mind, but I find it amusing a bit. It was a slight surprise.

[DubiousIntentions]

One can say that Halloween is the one day that every girl can dress like a slut and no eyebrows will be raised. But, the Bible talks about this. Deuteronomy 5 “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things it is an abomination to the Lord your God. Of course, no one gives a shit about God these days so carry on.

[Rosexøxø]

@DubiousIntentions wow after being a believer for 19 years, I never read that. Very interesting. Tbh, I didn't read a whole lot in Deuteronomy. Nice share :]

[DubiousIntentions]

Well the New Testament is the most important part of the Bible so no foul there.

[Rosexøxø]

@DubiousIntentions and with that, I have to agree. I read some of the old and the ones that stood out to me like Moses.

Mostly read and focused on the words of Jesus directly, and then some of his disciples- so yea, pretty much new testament lmao

[ElGato31]

As far as I know most men who dress up as a woman get a kick out of it, they are aroused. It makes it sexual to me.

I am generalising. There might be men who love make up. I am just saying this based on what I read about the topic and the few drags I have met.

[WhiteSteve]

Not at all. I’m sure some ADULT drag shows with an ADULT a audience will have ADULT humor, but there’s nothing inherently sexual about someone dressing up as the opposite sex. My family used to take an annual summer vacation to Cape Cod, right next to a town that was a HUGE vacation spot for LGBTQ people (or we probably just called it “gay and lesbian” back in those days), and I saw all kinds of shit, lmao, it was the one place they could come to be themselves, so they seemed to really let loose. Side note: I’m totally hetero, I didn’t “catch” gay from anyone, lmfao, it had absolutely zero influence on my sexual orientation, all it did was make me realize these were just regular people trying to live their lives.

There were drag shows every night but I never went to one, they were at bars and clubs I was too young to get into. The drag performers would be out on the street most of the early evening passing out flyers for the show and interacting with passers-by. ALWAYS cool as fuck if you talked with them. Spent a decent amount of time talking with a guy one year in high school when my girlfriend came with me on the vacation and we went walking the main strip by ourselves. Wished I could’ve seen his show, shit, wish we could’ve partied with him, lmao. But anyway, most of these dudes were dressed up like Queen Elizabeth or Bette Midler or some shit, no one I think of in any sexual way😂

[FilmGuy93]

Not automatically sexual, no. But I will say; it's always confused me that liberals, women especially support the drag show stuff so much because drag is supposed to be making fun of women.

So, we're supporting making a mockery of women.

There are a lot of things about the left that I've realized that kind of make me feel like the left doesn't seem to like women very much.

[Potteplante]

No I don't automatically assume so, however that doesn't mean a drag show can't be sexual - but tbh, I don't give a flying rats ass about if it is or not.

They're expressing themselves in a way they wish, don't like it - don't watch it, children watching it? It ain't the drags fault but their parents.

I'd take a drag show over a children's beauty show (the English word for it has left my mind) any day. That shit is just messed up in my opinion.

[SusanColleen]

Two words: Mental illness. Those suffering with gender dysphoria should receive treatment and counseling, it’s nothing to celebrate or joke about.

[Still-alive]

so men in drag should seek help?

[SusanColleen]

Yep, it’s an outward sign of an internal or spiritual problem. You can tell by the crazy eyes, the acting out, and the 21X higher suicide rates.

[coachTanthony]

All strip type shows are sexual in some nature or the other.

[Still-alive]

so are all drag shows 'strip shows'?

here's the wikipedia description on Drag shows: form of entertainment performed by drag artists impersonating men or women, typically in a bar or nightclub.

The modern drag show originated in the speakeasies and underground bars of 1920's and 1930's Prohibition America, in what was known as the Pansy Craze. Drag became a part of gay culture and a form of entertainment usually enjoyed by adults in bars, for example the famous gay bar Stonewall.

Typically, a drag show involves performers singing or lip-synching to songs while performing a pre-planned pantomime or dancing. There might also be some comedy, skits, and audience interaction. The performers are often given cash tips by the audience members. The performers often don elaborate costumes and makeup, and sometimes dress to imitate various famous opposite sex singers or personalities. Young male dancers have often been included. Some events are centered around drag, such as Southern Decadence where the majority of festivities are led by the Grand Marshals, who traditionally are drag queens.

[coachTanthony]

Yes. They will hit the audience up for tips after they are done singing and performing. Sitting in audiences laps, taking off a few scarves etc. There isn't one show I have been too where this didn't happen.

[Still-alive]

"They will hit the audience up for tips after they are done singing and performing."

Asking for tips is the same as 'stripping?'

taking off scarves is sexual?

I guess you've been to the wrong 'drag shows'
www.politifact.com/.../

"- Drag shows entail exaggerated costumes and makeup, in which the performers dance and often lip-sync to music.

-Strip shows entail performers who remove their clothing and dance for an audience.

- Drag shows do not typically include the removal of clothing."

[coachTanthony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBr2M3iOKA

[coachTanthony]

You keep believing everything you read on the internet lol

[Still-alive]

there's a difference between a drag show and a strip show... and yes i have been to both lol..

its not just online sir.

[coachTanthony]

The above was a drag show not a strip show but whatever man you're right I am wrong. There feel better? If video won't help I may as well just stop bothering. lol

[Still-alive]

one video proves nothing though... you get that right? lol surely you learned that by now. i could pull up any video too to prove my point.

[coachTanthony]

The one video proves that SOME drag shows can be sexual which you say is not possible.

[Still-alive]

i never said its not possible. but any 'drag show' where stripping is involved are 'strip shows.'

im sure you are aware people on the right are attempting to merge these two into one so they can more easily ban them or call people in drag pedos right?
nypost.com/.../

[coachTanthony]

I have never ever been to or heard of a Drag strip show. Never. I have buddies who are really rich who are gay and own clubs and they don't put on strip shows they put on Drag shows. Not saying they don't exist but never heard of such a thing.

[Still-alive]

anecdotes

[coachTanthony]

they are 100% but in my opinion I've been to enough to know.

[Still-alive]

were there kids in attendance at any of these 'drag shows' where stripping happened?

[coachTanthony]

No. Never.

[Still-alive]

do the drag shows where stripping occurred clearly state an age restriction? like 18 and over or 21 and over?

[coachTanthony]

How do you define stripping? You think they are getting down to their tidy whiteys and showing there pee pees? They take there tops off and give the audience motor boats with their fake breasts for tips. These are gay bars that most drag shows happen in. Are there vegas type shows that are performance based only? Sure but that isn't what I am talking about when the word drag show is used.

[Still-alive]

removing articles of clothing to where under garments or genitalia are exposed i would say. and not removing scarves like you said earlier.

motorboating breasts is a bit much though.

I'm just fed up with these people on the right who are making the drag shows out to be these pronographic events that kids attend when thats not the case... would you agree thats not the case?

you might say 'sexual' but its lite on the sexual stuff like perhaps in a pg rated movie.

[coachTanthony]

I have been to 20 plus shows and never were there any kids present. So I would say they are definitely getting them mixed up with vegas type shows.

[coachTanthony]

I have just never been to a drag show where it was just performance and kids were there. Not ever sure where you would go to see that unless it's vegas or something.

[Kaneki05]

Nope. But still it disturbs me, but that's only cause it's extreme same way I'm disturbed by a Macho Man.

[Rosexøxø]

see- like I can discuss with you because you admit it's uncomfortable or so, but you say nonetheless, it's non-sexual.

You, at the surface level, show no bias, but honesty, ofc.

I would otherwise agree with you, but I no longer find them disturbing. It is what it is ofc, but I still believe it's sexual. Now feel free to add more to your claim to boost it, or repeat and cancel my claim to justify yours- I won't mind either. I think we will both keep our opinions on this,

but does what I mentioned at least make SOME sense? or no

[Kaneki05]

@Rosexøxø its not though. Saying as such would be like believing all flurries are only sexual. When it's not. Just some people like dressing up as animals for the fun of it.
And they find it cool somehow.
So it's not always sexual.

[Kaneki05]

Hell some people enjoy pole dancing but it don't mean they are doing it for sexual reasons. To define something automatically sexual when most things are used broadly for different purposes, is only something that can be applied to those that can't. And you can certainly dress up in women clothes with makeup, and all this fake stuff over ya without the purpose been sexual.

[Rosexøxø]

I honestly think they all cannot be compared. (The categories. They're distinct.

Women are the ones who will not always sexualize sexual content such AS pole dancing.

Some may believe its sexual echoes ARE art.

furries are founded with some children or mostly popular with them. I am not entirely sure about (the specific) gender divisions but there are mild hints of bestiality in that as well...

iykyk.

Do some girls like it for the adorableness of animals? yeah. Same for young boys? it's certainly possible, and if it were just all innocent and non-sexual with a whopping 100% certainty,

then I'd say it's due to their child-based innocence. AS sexual as raging hormonal teens CAN be, their mentalities are still pretty innocent, whether they agree or disagree-

yeah, I won't discredit what they know, but there is just a mild innocence there.

They have only solidified sexual personas and tastes as they age and with experience.

Most of the time they are just unsure of what triggers or gets them going or only have a vague understanding of that. They're mostly live wires, at times.

Aged, sexually-active, and knowledgeable adults can be compared to that of a lightning bolt.

(sure, random in its trajectory (seemingly so, but still direct when it hits)).

Do we disagree based on all this exchanged? I think we do, and I think it's alright.

The topic itself will never be absolute based on us. I think it will be the members involved- those who join, and even then, not all of them will be entirely the same.

[Kaneki05]

@Rosexøxø You talk about child like innocence, but does this mean you've never seen a boy dress up as a girl? Because I know I have. Ever seen a boy wear make up? I know I have.
So what your mentioning is just helping my point.
Boys have dressed up all the time without it been sexual. So why would it be just sexual when a man does?
It is comparable in the fact that things are multiple reasoned/purposed. It's only sexual if used in that way. So why would role playing by dressing up as a woman in an extravagant way be sexual unless if used that way? The answer is obviously it's not.

If you can't see this logic. Then I dunno what to say, because your view will be very black and white it must be this there is no other possibility... which unless if something is objective that's never the right way to look at it, and humans doing things they enjoy is by definition subjective.

[PBandJ_Nerd]

I don't think it's sexual. Other than it being a performance and entertainment, I think it's a way for some people being able to express a side of them they cannot social wise.

[Little_Bumblebee]

No, I don't see how it's sexual.

I see it more as a form of art and a way for men to express something inside. And it's also a form of entertainment.

[Rosexøxø]

art varies- this is centered around cross-dressing and sexual orientation.

Just as comedy is centered around comedy and ranges in many different forms.

What do all drag shows have in common? men dressing up as women.

Didn't bash your comment, by the way- just added it. I won't make any attempts to reply to any of your following comments- to discourage any hint of me trying to downplay yours.

Thanks for the share

[Little_Bumblebee]

A lot of dragqueens are based on comedy, their craft (many make their own costumes and the makeup), lipsinging, dancing, and acting.
If you saw RuPauls DragRace, you see that it's much more than what your reply and bias are based on.

[LiamJHayden]

Honestly when I hear that I expect to see something like this:

[RolandCuthbert]

I always just assumed drag shows were just dudes who dressed up as women. Not sure what's sexual about that.

[goaded]

There's a centuries old tradition of men dressing up as women in pantomime in Great Britain. It's not sexual (although some of the jokes are aimed at the adults in the audience).

[Rosexøxø]

that would be theater- centered around many types of costumes/ skits/ acts.

These usually focus on and highlight cross-dressing. That's not theater- it's specifically geared for the swapping of the sexes.

[Rosexøxø]

feel free to disagree.

[goaded]

@Rosexøxø I do. The pantomime dames are major players. Cinderella's ugly sisters, for example.

[goaded]

Written as a response to someone who's blocked me, but relevant here: DeSantis had undercover police at one in Florida, they reported nothing wrong, and DeSantis went after the venue anyway.

"But while the agents took photos of three minors at the Orlando drag show — who appeared to be accompanied by adults — they acknowledged that nothing indecent had happened on stage, according to an incident report obtained exclusively by the Miami Herald.

“Besides some of the outfits being provocative (bikinis and short shorts), agents did not witness any lewd acts such as exposure of genital organs,” the brief report stated. “The performers did not have any physical contact while performing to the rhythm of the music with any patrons.”"

www.miamiherald.com/.../article273247175.html

[Juneberry91]

No but I do know there is some sexual jokes made like any other normal comedian show. I always have a blast at a drag show!

[Equi2ube]

God no, drag shows are usually a bunch of old queers dressing up and acting like ancient actresses. Probably among the least sexy things there are in the world. I'm an openly gay man and find them repulsive. Not sorry, just my opinion.

[Whatthefluff]

No. I went to one before and it was more about the fun/“party” atmosphere (was at a gay bar).

[Nikki1989]

People have been enjoying men in drag for decades.

[Redcupsolo]

Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger was trying to get out of the army on a section 8. He dressed in drag to show people he was insane. This isn't really a ringing endorsement for drag queens like the asker.

[najekim]

While we have been to both adult-only and family-friendly drag shows, they're main to present talent and have some comedic fun. Make that a felony like some states are working to do is a crime in itself.

[menina]

I don't assume that it's sexual. I only assume that I'm going to see drag queens.

[AnusNdaPainus]

they definitely are now but back in the day they weren’t always sexual

[Sour-rose]

Nah just... strange. Aaaand would rather clean up after kids then watch said show

[melanieeeB]

Not at all, I just think of extravagant, diva-ish and drama

[call_me_scar]

I'd assume it's just people showing off themselves in dresses

[petitedollbabee]

No, I’ve been to many drag shows and I’ve never viewed them as a sexual performance.