Should biological TSA security women have to search pre-op trans-women in the TSA line at the airport?

[Jersey2]

https://nypost.com/2023/03/26/trans-woman-claims-jfk-airport-tsa-agent-punched-her-in-the-testicles/

No

Yes

I dunno

Updates

2 mo

Your thoughts?

[CheeseMonster]

Valid question, but expand it: should ANY security person be required to search someone who's genitals aren't the same as theirs?

When it's a gender-separate event, most people don't expect any genitals different from their own. It can be shocking and upsetting to see different genitals without expecting or being prepared to do so. But when you work a job (like TSA security) which deals with the public and may involve necessary nudity, there is always a risk of someone not being what you expect. There's trans people, intersex people, people with genital injuries, etc...

While not very common, they do participate in public life, and some do need to interact is some level of undress with those workers (like TSA security). So what are the options?

• 1. They must be searched by security whose expressed gender matches their own (if one is present), and do not have to disclose the state of their genitals to security. This has the downside already mentioned.
• 2. They must be searched by the same expressed gender security, but must also disclose what their genitals look like to security before being searched. This could solve the above issue by making sure security will not be surprised, but they may still be uncomfortable with it. And further, since this includes more than just trans people, everyone searched by security would have to have a very awkward genital conversation with security in addition to undergoing an already awkward strip search.
• 3. They must be searched by security with the same genitals as them, regardless of gender expression of either. This would make it very rare for any security who doesn't have typical genitals to be able to conduct searches, but if there were none then anyone with non-typical genitals who needed to be searched would also not be able to be. This could also present a problem If TSA security found disclosing the state of their own genitals awkward, because now in addition to the search-ee needing to tell them, they will have to confirm or deny that theirs are the same and thus that they can search them.
• 4. I'm tired of typing. Keep running through alternatives until you find one you like. in my opinion i think mandating who searches who is always gonna have some uncomfortable parts to it, because forced nudity is never fun. Maybe TSA could just make sure they're okay with searching anyone? Or every air line can just internally decide their own policy, and you just learn the policy before applying to be security there? I don't know. I feel like harsh no-exception rules aren't a good answer.

[Jersey2]

I think if you have a penis and balls, you get searched by a male. If you have vagina, you get searched by a female.

[CheeseMonster]

That would be basically number 3? So in that case the only problems were people possibly everyone not liking disclosing their genitals to security, and the issue of how security should handle someone with a genital abnormality? Again, some people don't have an entire penis and balls, or a entire vagina (or vulva if we're just talking external genitals), or have some of some of both.

[Jersey2]

It’s just smoke. The very few anomalies will not make a case for exceptions.

[CheeseMonster]

What are you talking about? This entire question is based on one single anomaly making a case for exceptions.

You're a TSA, you ask the person "do you have a penis or vagina?" and they say "I have both." or "I have neither." What do you do?

[Jersey2]

None sense argument. It’s always an extreme situation that lgbt use to justify crazy laws and processes. People dressing up as a different sex and are pre-op, don’t get that choice. Genetic issues can be handled, not “I feel like a woman today” people who then change their mind a few years later as that happens too, frankly more often than the rare genetic issue. Get in the line that you are genetically unless you have had your lower region surgically changed.

[CheeseMonster]

Lol bro, I know how you feel about trans people. I wasn't asking about them. They usually have a penis or a vulva, same as cis people.

The only question I had—which I asked quite clearly—was what about people who have abnormal genitals? Because often in all this trans panic and strict binary enforcement, they are largely harmed or ostracized. But I assume you have nothing against them and so you DON'T want them to be thrown under the bus with trans people.

So. One possibility, say a man lost his genitals in an accident. He was assigned male, identifies as male, by all your standards should be searched by the male TSA like any other man. But visually, he doesn't have a penis or balls. A male TSA will not be expecting to see or feel this abnormality, and may be shocked or unsettled by it, especially considering how it may have happened. Should the male TSA be forced to search this man, despite the possible and even likely discomfort upon realizing his genital abnormality?

This is just as reasonable a question as the poster asked. I just want to know how you think TSA should handle such a situation—whether it should be on the person to disclose the state of their genitals, on the TSA to be prepared to search someone with abnormal genitalia, both, or something else?

[douride2]

@Jersey2 I hate to burst your bubble on the male checking male & female checking female at airport security. In my experience it doesn't happen that way.

[gorydetails]

"her" <> "testicles"

[douride2]

What difference does it really make. I was searched by a male security agent.

[Jersey2]

It made difference to this woman and she should not be forced to feel someone’s balls because they insist she has to. I wouldn’t mind feeling a twat but I hope it would be expected and not a surprise. Women feel strongly different on that scare you seem to be an outlier. And maybe you wouldn’t mind a job feeling up men’s balls.

[douride2]

No thanks I'm good with the job I have now.

[Anonymous]

Yes.

[Jersey2]

That’s forcing one woman to feel another woman’s balls when she doesn’t want that and it’s unexpected. Where does the line need to be drawn since this case is fuzzy.

[Opinion Owner]

1. You said it would force her to feel another woman's balls. Women don't have balls.

2. Do women should just flat out refuse to do it. They should say I refuse to do something that would get me fired in any normal job. I'm not going to molest that man.
And if she gets fired she should lawyer up and sue the crap out of the Justice department.

The only way we're going to get out of this stupid woke shit, is to stop playing their game.

[Jersey2]

I’m not woke. You said yes. I think perhaps you meant no to the question.

[Opinion Owner]

I know you're not woke. I want them to try and try this, and I want them to fail.

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks for the MHO.

[OddBeMe]

Perhaps allow the person to choose? See woke ain't so hard...

[Jersey2]

The TSA agent? She was surprised by feeling balls. What if no female TSA agents are comfortable.

[OddBeMe]

its not for a TSA agent to decide. its their job. The person getting searched should have the power to choose which person he/she'd be more comfortable with.

[Jersey2]

No, the TSA agent has rights too. And not feeling balls on the job is one of them. Trans rights do not trump everything and everyone else.

[OddBeMe]

They have a right to quit. Cops have responsibilities to search suspects.

[Jersey2]

No balls policy for the women. Just no.

[OddBeMe]

Maybe that’s a policy. It’s stupid as that’s their job. Like saying a doctor can’t touch eroticized areas…

[Sabretooth]

correction: I mean ''no''.