Are 'pro-lifers' also against the death penalty, and do they support strict gun control?

[Ptrmbrs88]

And oppose the so-called military-industrial complex and war in general, in all its forms? After all, every life does matter.

No, because most of them are hypocrites.

Yes, because consistency (and not looking like a fool) demands it.

I'm not sure. Maybe.

I couldn't care less, so I'll move on to some other question here.

[nightdrot]

Leaving the rather biased poll above to one side, on this one I am going to cheat:

Here is my reply to the abortion question under my Nightdrot nom de guerre:

What do you think about abortion?

Here is my response to capital punishment:

Do you support capital punishment?

As you can tell, I am both pro-life and anti-capital punishment, though my reasoning is as much related to certain sociological assumptions as it is related to a specifically "pro-life" approach as that is commonly understood.

As far as gun control, the question is not really related to the other two. Guns being an instrumentality, while human life is an end in itself. Thus in law they are different things, it being added that Alexander Hamilton argued against the Bill of Rights by noting that by stipulating such rights, the government then had standing to regulate those rights.

That said, here are my views on gun control:

What do you you think about “Gun Control”?

Suffice to say, as American political culture has its origins in the Enlightenment and in the subsequent divide between classical liberalism and "radical" liberalism, there will not often be consistency in the views of any individual or group of individuals. (NOTE: The term "radical" as used here does not mean its' contemporary definition, i. e. extremist. Rather it is defined as the ancient Greeks used the term, i. e. meaning "to the root of.")

Thus to point to pro-lifers as being inconsistent on abortion vs. capital punishment is merely to point to the mirror image of pro-choicers on those questions, i. e. being pro-choice and anti-capital punishment. There are few who will be logically consistent on either side.

As Michael Oakeshott put it:

“So far from a political ideology being the quasi-divine parent of political activity, it turns out to be its earthly stepchild. Instead of an independently premeditated scheme of ends to be pursued, it is a system of ideas abstracted from the manner in which people have been accustomed to go about the business of attending to the arrangements of their societies. The pedigree of every political ideology shows it to be the creature, not of premeditation in advance of political activity, but of meditation upon a manner of politics. In short, political activity comes first and a political ideology follows after; and the understanding of politics we are investigating has the disadvantage of being, in the strict sense, preposterous.

... So a political ideology must be understood, not as an independently premeditated beginning for political activity, but as knowledge (abstract and generalized) of a concrete manner of attending to the arrangements of a society. The catechism which sets out the purposes to be pursued merely abridges a concrete manner of behaviour in which those purposes are already hidden. It does not exist in advance of political activity, and by itself it is always an insufficient guide. Political enterprises, the ends to be pursued, the arrangements to be established (all the normal ingredients of a political ideology), cannot be premeditated in advance of a manner of attending to the arrangements of a society; what we do, and moreover what we want to do, is the creature of how we are accustomed to conduct our affairs. Indeed, it often reflects no more than a dis­covered ability to do something which is then translated into an authority to do it.”

[Anonymous]

Conservatives aren’t against gun control because we want more people “to die” or some such ridiculous asinine nonsense. No we are against gun control because we know you can’t pass laws in a country that has more guns than people (over 400 million guns in circulation) and magically expect guns not to fall into the wrong hands. Criminals and/or insane people who don’t give a shit about gun laws.

These people are more likely to cause more harm knowing they can commit a crime were law abiding citizens are disarmed. I know all too well because one my relatives was a victim in a so called “gun free zone” that happened on a college campus a few months ago. The police didn’t catch up with the shooter until three hours later after he committed his rampage.

Also most homicide victims and offenders are statically happening in inner city neighborhoods. Do you think these people vote republican in those areas? The ugly truth is it’s mostly criminals in blue areas who are commit most of the gun homicides.

[Thatpearl26]

Well I’m a pro lifer when it comes to sleeping around and becoming pregnant because you’re not responsible. Although I have a strong belief that if you are raped, from incest, or it causes harm to the mother that you should be able to access an abortion.

Of course I don’t really see the point of pro choice and pro lifers because roe v wade was already overturned. To add on it’s not like abortion is completely illegal roe v wade just gave the power to decided how many month you can be along until the option of abortion is taken away to the states. To continue, states have laws/exceptions such as what I mentioned above for rape cases, etc.

Anyways to answer your question most pro lifers not all because I haven’t met every single pro lifer so how the heck would I know, are for the death penalty. The answer is simple they are not innocent and should be punished according to their crime. Remember the baby is an innocent human being the person on death row isn’t.

Now for your gun control question, it depends what kind of gun control you’re talking about. First of all I believe everyone should have the right to bear arms to protect themselves. Although I don’t believe that guns should be taken away from the people because then how would they protect themselves if someone were to break in and the police weren’t close to there location. Remember there is a difference between punishing someone who is guilty of many crimes then punishing a child who hasn’t committed any.

[DizzyDesii]

I do not support abortion. I do not support death penalty nor assisted suicide. And I am not big on guns

[OlderAndWiser]

It is not hypocritical to be anti-abortion and pro-death penalty. If you don't understand it, that doesn't mean everyone else is wrong; it just means you don't understand it.

[imawfulatusernames]

It is hypocritical. You can’t be ‘prolife’ and pro death at the same time.

[OlderAndWiser]

@imawfulatusernames You don't understand it so you declare that it can't possibly make sense. Are you really so smart that you've been placed in charge of deciding what makes sense for the rest of the world? If you have a certificate for that appointment, I'd love to see it. Otherwise, I don't really cotton to arrogance and self-righteousness.

[imawfulatusernames]

I’m sorry when was I the one running around telling people what they can and can’t do? I think you misunderstand this entire topic

[OlderAndWiser]

@imawfulatusernames when was I the one running around telling people what they can and can’t do?

[OlderAndWiser]

@imawfulatusernames You are the one deciding that my opinion isn't valid.

[imawfulatusernames]

Oh you can have an opinion but as a man who shouldn’t be anywhere near women of reproductive age I don’t know why you think anyone should care about your opinion. It’s quite literally irrelevant

[LiamJHayden]

@imawfulatusernames There is zero logical inconsistency between be pro-life for the innocent and pro-death for the guilty,

[RonStone45]

@imawfulatusernames I'm against abortion/murder but that doesn't make me ''pro life'', I support the death penalty. Not all killing is murder.

Who assigned that stupid term ''pro life'' to being against abortion anyway and think it needs to apply for every scenario. Of course libs are too fucking retarded to figure this out.

[BeMuse]

Who's sending all that money in Ukraine again to start a proxy war with Russia? Who are the Globalists? Who's propping up the military industrial complex for foreign wars again? Oh yeah, that would be the Democrats... How many countries did Obama bomb again? Did Trump start any new wars? Did Trump make an effort to form peace treaties? Don't republicans lean toward protecting their own nation, rather than policing the world? Isn't that why they are patriots or national populists? Don't republicans tend to want to reduce central government power and want to generally be left alone with individual freedom? Democrats love to kill people. If they can't do it with a bloody war, then they try to get them with abortion or with a mandated experimental vaccine. Time to wake up retard. People have a right to defend themselves against tyrants.

[BeMuse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tts1q9TgXxg

[genericname85]

i don't hold such simplistic opinions. i think there's better arguments for generally forbidden abortions, tho abortions should be possible in certain circumstances. like in rare health conditions where giving birth could actually kill the mother.

i'm however very strictly against death penalty. if you wanna live in a society where killing is not ok, then you can't have killing be part of the legal system. the only place where intentional killing is justified, is in self defense in my opinion.

I am for very strict gun regulations. because the less insane people have guns, the less likely someone is gonna run amok with it. tho it should be said that school shootings are actually very easily avoidable. societies that have good communities and individual caunseling, pretty much don't have school shootings.

[stepyo99]

Death penalty is a false equivalency. What crime did a baby commit?

Gun rights enable self-defense and preserve life.

I am against the military-industrial complex. War is a racket.

I'm not against the concept of war, however, because you could wage a righteous war to defend your homeland much like you could use a gun to defend yourself. I'm not aware of any American war in the last hundred years or so that was righteous though.

[imawfulatusernames]

Abortion is self defence which you apparently agree with so

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames What a twisted, sadistic view of life.

[imawfulatusernames]

Ah yes the right to not die for cells, as mandated by god, what a sick view😅You’re funny

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames Pregnancy isn't going to kill you. You are giddy with joy about killing a baby because you couldn't keep your legs closed though.

[imawfulatusernames]

@stepyo99 1/8 women die during delivery and 1/5 during pregnancy ( this is a USA stat where I’m assuming you’re from) I can’t link due to my level but it will come up if you search the title I’ll post after this. Also I’m not happy about abortion but I’m not said either, it’s not a baby nor is it anything really unless you want it so if you want to demonise sex go ahead but you best be the biggest supporter of child support and dads being held to much higher standards 🤷‍♀️

[imawfulatusernames]

4 out of 5 pregnancy-related deaths in the US are preventable, CDC finds

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames If you're going to pull stuff out of your butt to justify your ugly sadism, at least get it accurate. The actual maternal mortality rate for pregnancy according to the CDC was 23.8 deaths/100,000 births in 2020. "Maternal Mortality Rates in the United States, 2020" by Donna L Hoyert.
If 1/5 or 20% of pregnant women were dying during pregnancy it would be a massive crisis, the reality is that it's 0.0002% of pregnant women.

[imawfulatusernames]

@stepyo99 You didn’t look at the study I gave you did you…? No you didn’t this is quite embarrassing for you

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames lmao come back when you learn some reading comprehension and aren't saying nonsense like 1/5 of women are dying during pregnancy.

[imawfulatusernames]

I gave you that stats for death around pregnancy in the USA and how pregnancy is more likely to kill you than childbirth. I don’t understand why you’re questioning my comprehension skills when I went out of my way to find stats for YOUR country put them out for you and link it. I think you need to understand what you’re actually saying and what it means, perhaps a 8 year old could teach you?

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames Just to further educate you because now I'm curious. So in that same article I referenced, the CDC gives the total number of maternal deaths in 2020 as 861. That's 861 women who died in all of 2020 due to complications from pregnancy.
Here's another article from the CDC "Abortion Surveillance - United States, 2020" They cite that in 2020 620,327 abortions were performed.
So the number of babies being killed from abortion is over 700x the number of women dying from pregnancy complications.

[imawfulatusernames]

@stepyo So we’re completely ignoring that you couldn’t understand what I was saying…? Okay. Also as you said abortion that means literally not a single baby was killed, it means that many women were saved.

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames So let's take your article and say that every single one of those 80% (4/5) pregnancy-related deaths could have been prevented by abortion. 80% of 861 is 689. So we need to kill 620,327 babies every year to save the lives of 689 women. That sounds insane.

[imawfulatusernames]

@stepho99 So not only are you ignoring the further 1/8 you’re ignoring women who commit suicide, you’re ignoring women with life altering disabilities, you’re ignoring women who regret and resent their children, you’re ignoring so many other cases of life ending/life ruining effects. All because you want to pretend as a man no less that some sperm smashes into an egg is an actual human

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames The mental gymnastics you have to jump through to justify 600k+ dead babies every year is nuts. How do you turn into such a hateful person?

[imawfulatusernames]

@setepyo99 So you’re ignoring the death, disability, and pain of real people? In favour of babies you pretend are real. What a funny way to say you hate women.

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames 600k vs 800. You live in a fantasy world that gets off on sadistic pleasure from killing babies. It's really sickening at how you can look at those numbers and not give a damn. Maybe you should be aborted. You're just a clump of cells too, after all.

[imawfulatusernames]

@stepyo99 I genuinely am so glad you’re a nobody because your view of women is so scarily degrading that we’d be in danger if you weren’t.

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames I have positive views of women. It's feminists and baby killers who I find repulsive.

[imawfulatusernames]

@stepyo99 You’ve spent this entire conversation making it very clear you’re a misogynist I don’t think you realise how much so😅

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames Good. If a baby-killing feminist is calling me a misogynist then I must be doing something right. You can lump me in with all of the other men and women who are against abortion as well. We're all misogynists because we tell you killing an innocent child is wrong.

[imawfulatusernames]

@stepyo99 Abortion doesn’t kill babies but since you feel so strongly I’m going to donate to my local sexual health clinic in hope they continue doing what they’re doing to save lives❤️

[stepyo99]

@imawfulatusernames whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night, baby killer

[inhua]

death penalty should only be applied to a criminal who is factually guilty of a heinous crime beyond any doubt and has no possible path to redemption/rehabilitation

majority of the time, abortions aren't being used for life saving procedures but more for inconvenience and power control which is absolutely sick when these shitty moms want to hold this over their kid/s head "be grateful I didn't abort you"

[LiamJHayden]

Generally, no. They consider the preborn innocent life. A murderer who is being executed is not innocent. Gun control only removes firearms from people who follow the law. Criminals do not care and will simply see it as easier to prey on those who are not.

[msc545]

I am a pro-lifer and I oppose the death penalty and the military-industrial complex and war in general, in all its forms. I don't support gun control mainly because it doesn't work, and even if it did, it would be impossible to implement it in the US without causing a violent revolt since Americans care more about guns than they do their children, unfortunately.

[king34]

This "uestion seems dissengenuous" Thoes other issues are much more complex and grey. Baby murder is simply clear cut black and white WRONG. So the correlation your trying to draw is silly. But I think you know this and just wanted to arouse a reaction.

[strateguy632]

this question like "fetus is as guilty as a murderer" and no self defense against criminals. asker elevated criminal life above everyone else. also study Chicago for issue, but the question is not only wrong it is dreadful.

[ObscuredBeyond]

There is no conflict. Innocent life must be spared. Murderers must be executed. The idea that these conflict is an imaginary one, created by those who want innocent babies murdered, to appease their climate false gods.

[HighValue]

Killing a convicted criminal is not the same as someone killing an innocent child. Only dishonest liberals even try to claim those are equivalent.

[mommymommymommy]

lol, the woman holding the sign. There's no law saying you HAVE TO HAVE A KID. That you have a right to life

I don't want kids, i wonder what she'd say to me, with that "law" she's holding up

[Dargil]

Your question is illogical. Try saying whet you really mean.

[Ptrmbrs88]

I did. This is what I really mean. The question is very straightforward.

[Part2603]

If you think women should start families instead of being hoes, then you should be anti war!

Great take brainlet.

[WanderingLoveWizard]

Love the death penalty, fuck gun control, and fuck pro-life

[Anonymous]

Hey genius, just because we're against having babies being murdered in the womb, it doesn't make us ''pro life''. We're against murder, not the death penalty.

A gun itself by itself doesn't murder people.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't know what kind of idiot thinks being against abortion/murder somehow needs to make us ''pro life'' on everything. What a stupid term. Just because someone is against abortion that doesn't make them ''pro life''. Pure retardation.

[Anonymous]

Pro-lifers are some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

[stepyo99]

That's just a map of where black people live.

[LazerBean]

@stepyo99 exactly, I can't believe this lady is openly racist.

[bingbongbangbung]

pretty sure California, Illinois, Orgeon, Washington, and New York have high poverty, crime, homicide, obesity, etc., in major liberal cities lol

[stepyo99]

@bingbongbangbung It's not because they're liberal. Look at places like Vermont which are heavily liberal but don't have those problems. The cities in those states you mentioned (NYC, Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Oakland, Compton, etc.) all have something in common and it's not a left-leaning population. I'll tell you they have the same thing in common as cities in red states with those problems of poverty, crime, obesity, etc. (St. Louis, New Orleans, Gary, Houston, etc.)

[imawfulatusernames]

There is no way to be pro birth and not a hypocrite

[Agape93]

Nope lol, that would require consistency

[jimmy2]

Pro life
Support death of penalty
Support get rid gun AK47