Gould Women have the right to vote?

[Anonymous]

In Italy where I was born women got the right to vote in 1945, partially in 1925 in some regions. I moved to USA where women got the right to vote in 1929. My mom said that women shouldn’t vote it should be one vote per household. In USA men got to vote at 18 because they had to sign up for military draft. That’s why they got to vote. Women don’t sign up for the military draft why should they get to vote? Is the old way better and do you like one household one vote?

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11 mo

1920* in US not 1929* that was typo

[SaoirseS]

In the US, passage of the 19th Amendment in 1919 and ratification in 1920 gave women the right to vote.

The 26th Amendment lowered the voting age from 21 to 18, but it wasn't entirely about draft eligibility. It was just as much about the number of people who entered the work force after high school around age 18. Everyone 18 and over is subject to be called for jury duty. If you participate in the work force, pay taxes, and help sustain the economy you should get a voice.

[kylee2437]

Goes to show how uneducated her mother is, yet is against women’s rights. Super super weird

[Asker]

Yes typo not 1929 it was ratified 1920* correct that was typo I meant 1920* I’ll amend thank you

[Asker]

@kylee2437 uneducated how?

[kylee2437]

Uneducated because she takes her own rights for granted.

[Asker]

@kylee2437 you’re very hostile and not making sense

[kylee2437]

I am making complete sense, sorry women that are against women’s rights are pretty vile to me.

[Asker]

@kylee2437 which right did she take for granted?

[kylee2437]

The right to vote. That’s where the regression starts.

[Asker]

@kylee2437 how has she “taken it for granted”

[kylee2437]

By saying it shouldn’t be a thing and should be regressed. Yes that’s taking something for granted

[Asker]

@kylee2437 that’s not what taken for granted means it means to assume something Is true or to be as expected.

[kylee2437]

Insinuating something shouldn’t exist even though it was rightfully fought for and is apart of your personal freedom is taking something for granted.

[kylee2437]

Why is your mother against women’s rights? That’s awfully weird of her

[Asker]

Because women should be taking care of the home and the man can go out and take care of everything else and worry about the politics.. 1 household 1 vote was what she said. It makes sense whether you agree or not

[kylee2437]

I’m sorry it doesn’t make sense. Your mother is implying that women can’t logically think in regards to politics and she sounds like someone that wants to regress women’s rights. Your mother and you wouldn’t be here today if women’s rights didn’t progress, and that is a fact whether you agree with it or not.

[Asker]

Not at all you made that part up. Why so hostile?

[kylee2437]

Made up what? We wouldn’t be where we are today if women’s rights didn’t progress

[Asker]

This part “Your mother is implying that women can’t logically”

[kylee2437]

Using “Womens should take care of the home and cook” sounds about like “old gender roles reduce a woman’s capability to be logical with politics”

[PizzaPieMamaBear]

What’s wrong with gender roles? Do you expect men to propose marriage? Pay for a first date? How about if someone breaks into the house who should take care of that? What if war breaks out who should be drafted to fight in the front lines? I’ll bake a cake raise the babies and mop the floors

[kylee2437]

@PizzaPieMamaBear where did I say people can’t live by gender roles? People should have a right whether they want to live that way or not. If women back then wanted to fight for a better life, then life back then was probably not that good for women.

[kylee2437]

And I’ll tell you right now, I’d rather be on my own then be stuck around side of a guy that is abusive just because I have to rely on him for my adult life.

[PizzaPieMamaBear]

Yes don’t pick an abusive guy lol pick one who loves and protects you lol that’s an obvious one

[kylee2437]

@PizzaPieMamaBear well isn’t that common sense? Too bad that pint becomes irrelevant when now you have to pick a man for your own survival, so see how womens rights make you able to avoid/ leave abusive men?

[kylee2437]

Point*

[SaoirseS]

It goes like this. If you have a right and choose not to exercise it, that's entirely up to you. You are free to stay home, raise babies, be an old-fashioned wife. You have the right to address grievances with government, but you may choose not to. You have the right to keep and bear arms, but nobody is forcing you to own a firearm if you choose not to. What you are NOT free to do is deprive me or anyone else of their rights. If you don't want to vote, stay home on election day. Encouraging civic participation is nothing to throw under the bus.

[Asker]

@SaoirseS why shouldn’t it be one vote per household?

[kylee2437]

@soairseS exactly! And besides I’m sure her mother allowed this girls father into dictating her into believing women shouldn’t be allowed to vote! Allow me to steer away from abusive men and your mother can keep being a puppet to one that is most likely abusive enough to insinuate that onto her mother

[kylee2437]

@annacarsomama2 why do you think your current life has nothing to do with current women’s rights?

[SaoirseS]

Because we're all eligible citizens.

[Asker]

@SaoirseS eligible for what?

[kylee2437]

@annacarsimama2 to vote 🤦🏻‍♀️

[Asker]

Right the question is should we be

[kylee2437]

Dehumanizing your own kind is super weird.

[SaoirseS]

The answer to the question is absolutely yes.

[Asker]

@SaoirseS why should women get to vote if they don’t have to register for selective services?

[Asker]

Do you have babies?

[kylee2437]

@annacarsimama2 Jesus Chris you are a nightmare, go be a house wife to some douche that doesn’t appreciate you voting because you are a woman, go enjoy your miserable life

[kylee2437]

Christ*

[SaoirseS]

Your question has already been answered, now you’re just going in circles. Take @kylee2437’s advice. Your comments, question history, and private conversations with other users leave little doubt that you’re a time-waster. And most probably a man posing in pink to antagonize. This thread is done.

[Asker]

Who’s the one that sounds miserable here?

[kylee2437]

@annacarsimama2 you do since you think you have the ability to dictate women’s rights

[Asker]

@SaoirseS you can’t on my question dolce if you don’t like my post don’t chime it.

[kylee2437]

@annascarimama2 you asked a yes or no question and have came to defend your trash opinion even though literally everyone has disagreed with you.

[Asker]

It’s callled having a discussion why you get so mad that others have a different opinions?

[kylee2437]

Because sometimes opinions of others show how shitty of a person they are. Go live your own 1910s life and leave other women alone.

[Asker]

When did I do that?

[Adam1978]

Why shouldn't single women have a vote? Or why would you lose a vote because you are a part of a family? I am not against women's rights to vote. I am against female only political parties or laws that isn't sex neutral. Women no longer deserve special treatment. Because that is what causes unfairness in society today. A lot of spoiled women that can't take responsibility for their actions and the consequences of their choices.

[Asker]

She should be more worried about finding a husband to take care of her and give her babies and not worry about politics

[Adam1978]

And what if she wants another type of life than the traditional house wife?

[Berethor]

Agree with your mom, why women should have rights without duties? women are conscripted in my country, but in most countries in the world only men are conscripted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military_by_country

[SaoirseS]

Conscription really has nothing to do with voting rights in the US, mainly because it hasn’t existed for 50 years.

[Asker]

@SaoirseS men still have to enter a draft.

[Asker]

She’s a smart cookie

[SaoirseS]

Men have to REGISTER for selective service, but there is no draft and hasn’t been one for 50 years.

[Asker]

@SaoirseS 🙄 ok register for selective service happy ma’am I’m not from this county

[SaoirseS]

Registration is often automatic and involuntary, since driver licensing data systems are linked to Selective Service. Jury selection also comes from driver license and voter registration records, and that's everyone over 18. There is no draft, just a list. The chances of a draft being reinstated is highly remote, certainly with the dysfunctional Congress we have right now. The chances of getting called for jury duty - repeatedly - are quite high if you're over 18.

[Asker]

@SaoirseS automatic for who? Men or women? Of both?

[Asker]

Or* I mean

[SaoirseS]

Currently men, though the proposal to require women to also register was contained in the draft of the National Defense Authorization Act last year and got shot down (by the conservative crowd). As far as I'm concerned women should also be registered in the Selective Service system up until age 41. I did four years of service (voluntarily) and have three left on my inactive commitment. So tell me, what have you done for your country? Or your community?

[Asker]

@SaoirseS so just men so just me should get the power to vote seems fair to me.

[SaoirseS]

The 19th Amendment says otherwise. If you don’t understand that, take a civics class. I’m done here.

[Asker]

@SaoirseS I understand what it says the question was abd still os is that a good thing

[SaoirseS]

I already answered that. No human with any self-respect, man or woman, would willing to be relegated to second class citizenship. If things like equal protection under the law and voting rights don’t mean anything to you, you need to find a country that suits you.

[Asker]

@SaoirseS who said anything about first or second citizenship? What are you talking about

[richardcory]

The US hasn't had a draft for 50 years. But even if it did, I don't see tying that to voting. There are lots of ways to serve the country and society outside of being in the military.

[Asker]

More Responsibilities = more powers

[richardcory]

Sure, but there are lots of responsibilities other than military. People can work in medicine, or emergency services. Our military wouldn't do much without the people who manufacture equipment, or the engineers who design it - or all the office workers who see that things are shipped where they need to be.

Every member of the active military has a huge number of people standing behind them to let them have everything they need to be effective.

[Asker]

Ok and women are better at raising babies (built in bottles) men are better at fighting (testosterone, bone density, muscle mass etc) so let men fight and women take care of the babies. You go out fight and take care of the politics I’ll take care of the house and the babies

[kylee2437]

@annacarsinmama2 just because you want a life like that, doesn’t mean every woman wants a life like that. You have a choice. You can go find a man that lets you be a house wife and you can literally not vote in choice. Leave women out of how you feel you want to live.

[Asker]

@kylee2437 what’s wrong with one household one vote?

[kylee2437]

@annacarsimama2 that in itself is not an issue, it’s the fact that you agree with regression in women’s rights

[SaoirseS]

One household, one vote is absurd and impossible to enforce. I married when I was 24, so I was my own household from 18-24.

[Asker]

@SaoirseS why’s it absurd? It seems perfectly reasonable you might not like it. It it’s completely reasonable

[richardcory]

Why do you combine fighting and politics? The government is responsible for a lot of things not just war. The problem with a vote per household is that you would give married couples less power than unmarried ones

[Asker]

Who do you fight for? Who sends you to war? The people you vote for

[richardcory]

Sure, but those same people decide where to build roads, what to teach your children, whether or not abortion or guns are legal. All sorts of things that directly impact many people's lives

[Asker]

Ok so then men can deal with that. You saw that confess lady from Colorado just filed for divorce. They have kids they’d have been better off if he ran for politics and she stayed at home the entire family would be better off. Now the whole society is a little bit worse off because she wanted to act like a man when she could have been a happy mommy with more babies she’s only 36 try for another baby

[richardcory]

Women who want to stay home and raise kids can. Men who want to stay home and raise kids can. Women who want to become scientists, or airline pilots, or server in the military can. Men can as well.

What is wrong with letting people chose the life they want? Should my wife have stayed home raising children when neither of us wanted kids? Wasn't it better that she have the career she wanted, and I the one I wanted?

[NamerOfStars]

If men get the right to vote in exchange for risking battle thralldom, why did it take nearly a century to grant that right to black men, and nearly TWO to lower the voting age to the point where the prospective slaves had a voice in their own deaths?

The two have nothing to do with one another; that's just an excuse the Supreme Court used in 1919.

[LimitedBenefits101]

Exactly your mother is correct

If war ever to happen here which gender will be called up? that's right MEN

Also look at ukraine, men are not allowed to leave the country while women encourage to leave the country.

[Asker]

Exactly I wouldn’t fight what could I do I take care of the babies and home

[LiamJHayden]

I do not have a problem with women voting. For me the main issues are:

1. money can be extracted, under threat of violence, from Person A and given to Person B via majority vote. Theft is theft, even if under the color of authority.

2. The draft assumes that the people are the property of the state, to be used and disposed of as the political elites see fit.

[TheThingALing]

Yes women should have the right to vote. But, both men and women should have to pass a basic math, reading and writing test to ensure voters aren't complete dumbasses

[Dargil]

Of course women should have that right, and do.

[Asker]

Should women have to register for the draft?

[Dargil]

Yes, but all must accept the reality of most women's limitations in combat. Don't bore me with an argument of women in the Israeli IDF. Like women and children in Viet Nam, Israeli women are fighting for their lives. American women would barely fight for their cell phones.

Yes. Women have wide capabilities in Military service, including tech positions like piloting an A-10 Warthog in Ground Support and Suppression and even being bombardiers as some were in WW2 B-29's. Within reasonable limitations, they should serve in war time.

[Anonymous]

I respect your mother's opinion but I do think everyone should have the right to vote.

[Asker]

Do women have to register for the draft

[WhiteBoyChill]

I agree. Only men that own personal property under their name should vote.

[kylee2437]

So basically 80% of the population can’t vote? Stupid.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@kylee2437 Yes. The more accomplished demographics of American society should be involved in the decision making

[kylee2437]

@WhiteBoyChill some of the most accomplished people are accomplished because of fraudulent ways

[WhiteBoyChill]

@kylee2437 they were still smart enough to figure out how to cheat and gain the system. Kudos to them I say!

[WhiteBoyChill]

If I could avoid taxes, I would

[kylee2437]

@WhiteBoyChill thanks for proving my point. The government is success story as they steal tax money from citizens that have by far less than them.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@kylee2437 what was your point?

[kylee2437]

@WhiteBoyChill that being fraudulent, doesn’t necessarily make you qualified

[WhiteBoyChill]

@kylee2437 In my opinion it does. Because most people aren’t smart enough to know how to gain the system. Obviously if a criminal offense was committed, that’s still prosecutable. I didn’t say let’s abandon the rule of law

[kylee2437]

@WhiteBoyChill fraud is against the law. You need to watch the movie Law Abiding citizens because it will awaken you to how flawed our system is. It has very little to do with smarts.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@kylee2437 I was talking more about businessmen like Trump that manage to skirt the rules

[kylee2437]

@WhiteBoyChill trump isn’t a perfect person nor is nobody on earth, I don't know why you vouch for him so much

[WhiteBoyChill]

@kylee2437 Because the man is intelligent and a great leader

[slatyb]

No, women are people too.

[Asker]

We are.. pretty people

[Friendlybro79]

We all should get a vote 18 and older