How can you be against the 2nd amendment and gun ownership, and still want to defund or ban cops and prisons?

[KetoJames]

[RingOfFire]

Because the Democrats WANT more crime. The goal of all authoritarian movements whether fascist or Marxist is to DESTABILIZE a society so that they are defenseless and confused. That is the explanation for all the seemingly insane policies the Democrats are promoting such as an invasion of foreigners who illegally break into the country including spies, terrorists, felons, drug dealers and violent gangs... promoting crime and rewarding criminals while punishing victims, gender insanity pushed to our children to create a helpless and confused generation of Americans and destroy the traditional American family the basic building block of a healthy family, taking away the means for ordinary citizens to defend themselves with guns, destruction of our energy system with a climate change hoax, and on and on and on.

All of these things seem completely insane. And they are. Except that they are not accidental. They are INTENTIONAL. And the goal is, the agenda is, to DESTABILIZE the society and make America and Americans helpless to defend themselves so the Democrats can impose a one party authoritarian government without resistance. It isn't like we have not seen this same agenda before in other countries that have been destroyed the same way.

They have already achieved getting half the people in America right where they want them. BEGGING for them to take away their freedom. America is at a tipping point. VOTE FOR TRUMP NO MATTER WHAT. He is their biggest (and only) nightmare. We MUST shove the message down their throats that WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THEIR AGENDA. And the ONLY way to do that is to support President Trump.

[KetoJames]

Well said.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Pro-criminal & Anti-2A politics... a nice mix of the two.

I think people (in the west, in particular) idolize the criminal. I point at music, starting around 1993. The average person driving by with their music blaring has some guy bragging about how gangster he is... women hoes/look at my money/I'm a criminal. So that's what I think is what's up with the pro-criminal side of things. Sympathy started going out to the criminal along with making excuses for them.

I'll be blunt about the politics... it's Democrats. It started a long time ago with them wanting to ban guns for black people so that black people couldn't get guns.. it didn't work. Now it has progressed to guns in general. The innate racism in this is still obvious with how the leftest media handles gun crime violence. The suspect/shooter was black, they make it disappear. The suspect/shooter was white... you'll hear about it every day for a while. How most of the shootings are black on black or black on white, simply doesn't get talked about unless it's some excuses e. g. "It's because of institutional racism." ... Now we have a lot of people believing most mass shooters are white... evil racist white males in particular.

You take a 90's and on kid that is highly influenced by both of these things and let them get old enough to vote. Voila! Pander to these things to get the votes.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Because guns are way more fucking dangerous than they are useful. Same with police. Same with prisons. At least the way they are in the USA. Maybe if police and prisons were just super fucking heavily reformed, they can stay. But rn they doing way more harm than good. Literally a whole state of police is currently under investigation for sexual misconduct shit. & remember when all the police just fucking stood outside forever while a school shooter fucking shot more children to death? Bffr law enforcement in this country is a bad joke.

[Agape93]

It baffles me. They want you to not own a gun, they want to remove all cops and expect criminals to NOT have guns. Because that totally makes sense.

[KetoJames]

LOL...

[razelove]

I'd say now just avoid the ATF. Buy your guns used with cash or through a dealer who makes less than 10k a year on each business. How would the whole Kyle Rittenhouse thing played out if he could drop his rifle and walk away?

Anyway, I'd say with technology now you can make an M14 with a lathe, and an M16 with a printer. Pistols are kind of a no brainer in each category (.45 or 9mm). I think it's really more about splitting the country more.

Pro gun is going to get more guns and ammo. Anti gun is going to try and use guns and ammo to tell them they can't have it.

[KetoJames]

Yeah, that's true.

[KlinkyCoder]

Authoritarianism is the opiate of the wealthy class.

[ohsheeT]

This is how stupid people are to defend police officers is brought about by our government our own fucking government if people would quit watching their fucking TV shows because they're all brainwashed the right the left your brain fucking washed your followers our government wants chaos they have been taking us down this path for a long time black against White defund the cops guess who we get then this is when whoever our government sold us out to the United Nations are whomever comes in with all their Thugs and Bullies and they start running the show I don't particularly like police officers but I'll be fucking damned if I'm going to allow anybody but our police officers in our state I would still rather have somebody from this country policing our state then some Rogue person from another country come in here and do it because that's where it's headed that's what it's all about and nobody will ever give up their second Amendment there's just no way the way that the world is going where we are headed now nobody's going to give up their guns

[Leapfrog00]

It's all crazy! They think getting rid of guns and police are going to solve problems. They have NO idea how the real world operates! Let them come here, to the town where I live for a week! There are drugs, drug dealers, drug addicts who will mug anyone to get money just to buy a tiny bit of heroin, prostitutes who have unprotected sex like crazy for the drugs.

I guarantee those people will be begging leave! Society has gotten sad. Extremely and disappointingly sad! I do believe there should be laws that make it harder for morons who form these militias to buy guns, same as these protesters who are trying to "Make America Great Again" and want to exercise their rights by storming into a government building and shooting their way into congress. It's inexcusable and they should be ashamed to call themselves Americans!

I do believe they are letting the wrong people buy and operate firearms, however, someone who is responsible should not have their rights to buy and carry a gun taken away. I don't think many people realize this, but after the last 2 elections, America is pretty much done now. And to anyone who doesn't believe me, stick around. We're going to need guns and police like there's no tomorrow very soon! I fear for America.

[MysticDevice]

I never understood that logic and have yet to hear a cohesive argument supporting that line of though.

I used to not give a second thought to owning a gun other than for historical and collection sake. That changed fast as my faith in our police and government dissolved and fizzled like an alka seltzer tablet. Too many close calls from shady individuals while I was doing nothing but minding my business.

Now, I took the training and sought the education I need to effectively handle a weapon on my own. I won't be caught unaware and unprepared. I won't be a victim or a statistic. I will be a survivor.

[KetoJames]

About once per month some loon is downtown high on meth and wielding a machete.

[MysticDevice]

I pity the poor methhead fool who comes at me with a machete.

[KetoJames]

What happens is, the cops are called, then the guy comes after the cop with a machete. Then the cops shook the crazy guy. Then the cop get put on suspension and has to stand trial for murder.

[Anpu23]

There's this idealized outlook that criminals are just misguided and that love and care are more effective than punishment. That weapons just increase the violence and potential for harm, that is weapons in a paramilitary style police force as well as criminals. That community policing does not need tanks, rocket launchers and military style training. Nor should we have a force that can get away with extrajudicial killings, that law enforcement can and should be held accountable for their actions.

That is how the conclusions are made. I am not saying that it is correct, but that is how it happens.

[KetoJames]

Meanwhile people in NYC are afraid for their lives on the subway.

[Jersey2]

Only criminals and communists want to end the 2nd Amendment and defund police.

We are witnessing the results of this in major cities such as San Francisco which was just 3 years ago a fabulous, wealthy, prominent city and now businesses and high end hotels closing due to terrible policies. It will be another Detroit in 5 years.

[KetoJames]

Yeah, back in the day, San Francisco was on my bucket list, as was NYC. Now I will never go there.

[John_Doesnt]

"Defund the police" has multiple definitions by the people who use it. Most people simply want to reform the police and shift funding to better methods of preventing crime. There are some idiots who really do want to just completely get rid of police but they are a minority of loud social media users.

As for the 2nd amendment, it has been bastardized by the NRA to mean any idiot is allowed to own a gun with no restrictions. And you know who agrees with me? Ronald Regan and conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. Both believed in the right to own a gun, but at the same time they advocated that the second amendment should not be unlimited.

[exitseven]

Cops and prisons are racist. We need to defund them and we need to take everyone's guns away because guns are racist too.

[KetoJames]

Onions are racist, unless they're cooked.

[WanderingLoveWizard]

@KetoJames No, cooked onions can be pretty darn racist

[KetoJames]

@WanderingLoveWizard

Yes, depending on the kind.

[WanderingLoveWizard]

True! Very true

[OddBeMe]

What a stupid question. Thanks for jumping to extreme absurdities.

Even protesters with “Defund the Police” signs don’t want to defund the police. What most mean is defunding military equipment purchases and promote de-escalation.

And no one wants to ban prisons. We want to stop for-profit prisons that lobby extreme prison sentences to make more money.

And for godsakes no one is talking “banning guns”. At least not seriously. At most we’d be happy with some safety regulations.

[KetoJames]

“What a stupid question. Thanks for jumping to extreme absurdities.”
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This coming from the king of stupid questions. Every question you ask is stupid, and you know it. Extreme? You mean like the retarded Dems in the squad? Are you too stupid to realize this is what they want, and they’ve been recorded on video saying it?
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“Even protesters with “Defund the Police” signs don’t want to defund the police. “
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Liar. The squad said they want to abolish the police. Later they lied and said Republicans want to defund the police.
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“What most mean is defunding military equipment purchases and promote de-escalation.”
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Yes, so much military equipment was used to kill saint George Floyd.
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“And no one wants to ban prisons. We want to stop for-profit prisons that lobby extreme prison sentences to make more money.”
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More liberal lies. I worked in a prison and the government is the one that profits from it. Don’t cry about the private sector that can just do things cheaper than the government.
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“And for godsakes no one is talking “banning guns”. At least not seriously. At most we’d be happy with some safety regulations.”
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Does this mean you’ll stop asking endless questions about how bad guns are, and focus on how bad criminals are?

[OddBeMe]

You worked in prisons and think the govt profits from it? Didn’t notice the corporate logos on all the supplies and equipment?

And yes, no one wants police gone, we want police tamed.

[KetoJames]

What prison did you work at?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@OddBeMe its a bot. why argue with it lol?

[OddBeMe]

When your logic fails call it an aberration

[KetoJames]

You and the retarded chef couldn't answer my question. I'll give the chef a pass because he's medicated for Asperger's, but what's your excuse?

[OddBeMe]

Which dumbass question are you referring? That I have to work in a prison to know it’s fully equipped and sometimes staffed by corporations?

[KetoJames]

Answer my actual question.

[ChefPapiChulo]

its a literal bot.

[KetoJames]

@ChefPapiChulo

You can't even explain what a bot is. You're a mental case.

[Exterminatore]

There he is! GAG’s smartest man! The chef.

“I don’t always repeat what I heard elsewhere because I’m lazy and ignorant and I can’t come up with my own opinions…. wait a min, yes I do”

- ChefPapiChulo.

Chef papi is everyone’s favorite Ivy League grad.

[Exterminatore]

Hey chef when are you getting the true mark of high intelligence - a face tat?

[KetoJames]

@Exterminatore
That guy has serious mental problems. I hope he's not roaming free.

[richardcory]

Lots of people, lots of different opinions. IMHO anyone who really wants to get rid of police (not just reform then) had NOT thought things through at all.

[KetoJames]

Or they're in congress like AOC and have their own private army.

[richardcory]

Agree - people with access to private security (through office or money) may think its OK to get rid of police. I'd forgotten about purely selfish people like that.

[KetoJames]

Yesh, a lot of them that want to get rid of cops, are those with private security.

[strateguy632]

easy, if you value criminal life more than civilized people, you want criminals to succeed. easy peezee.

[KetoJames]

Apparently a lot of people want that.

[Howdyhey]

Well, I certainly don't know, but I do know the police in my area aren't much help and our prosecutor has gone, woke? I guess next time I need help I'll take matters into my own hands or call a social worker lol

[KetoJames]

In cities like Portland, the police are forbidden to do their job. It's sickening.

[Howdyhey]

Yeah here they aren't doing anything either except making jokes and laughing about stuff and saying "this is police reform". I'm like what? It makes me understand why gangs were formed now.

[KetoJames]

Yep.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Same way people who want to take care of the planet thought stopping the keystone pipeline was a good idea

[KetoJames]

Yes, begging for oil doesn't hurt the planet. lol

[Z1pTD]

People don't understand that you can't stop the black market and that even if you could it would just be some other weapon. Since the dawn of time humans have been fighting with the best weapon they can get their hands on.

[KetoJames]

They can't figure that out.

[jamesgoldman]

They want people defenceless to make them easier to rape, rob and kill on mass

[KetoJames]

Not to mention, the 2nd amendment had nothing to do with hunting.

[DextroShade]

The woke scum who push this insanity are the enemies of civilization and must be purged before they bring about a new dark age.

[KetoJames]

I agree.

[Cb142]

well only if your dumb as hell could you want something like that

[KetoJames]

There's a lot of dumb people.

[Cb142]

your not kidding i find more and more on here as well lol but you seem kinda cool so thanks for your like

[MementoMori777]

you hit them hard with that one, they think criminals are gonna see an advantage as unfair and that they will have the decency to make it fair, they have unrealistic expectations tbh

[KetoJames]

I worked in the prison system. 99% of them all come back.

[MementoMori777]

really? what are you, corrections officer? either ways i believe it, if they dont get killed somewhere 😂

[KetoJames]

I was. If you only knew how many murderers are working in restaurants and construction, you might be shocked. The murderers are the nicest to work with, because they've been down so long they stopped fighting.

[MementoMori777]

well i bet you i can give you a run for your money with that one, most killers are actually jobless, i met so many killers in the streets and they were either dealing drugs committing fraud or committing robberies, most dont get caught, i know cause they blend in or catch charges for things that aren't murder, look in them cells and you might be looking at a murder that only got caught with drugs ha

[KetoJames]

I worked in a work release prison, so they had to work. But you're right, once they don't have to work they go back to their same old tricks.

[MementoMori777]

yea or they evolve if they smarten up, either ways you sound like a tough woman, pinning down criminals and shit, it does explain why you support the second amendment tho, the truth is that most people that are against it are privileged and mever seen danger in their lives.

[David_Kek]

Maybe those Americans have looked at how other 1st world countries do things and have simply realized just how much the American justice system doesn't work.

[KetoJames]

Or maybe people in high power like killers roaming the street. Is that what you want?

[David_Kek]

Are you aware the USA has the 4th highest murder rate per capita in the entire world, only beaten by El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela?

[KetoJames]

Kill them. Don't you agree.

[David_Kek]

That mentality is part of the reason why you have the largest murder rate of any 1st world country. You don't reduce the murder rate, by increasing the murder rate.

[Exterminatore]

People who are in favor of what you said think they will never encounter people like in the picture. They also think everyone has a love for humanity. They’re silly and ignorant.