Why do people complain about people being proud for being LGBTQ+ but they are proud to be American?

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I think being proud of either is dumb. Cause you didn't do anything to be one or the other. You were most likely born with it unless you moved there and got your papers later.

Berethor · Accepted Answer

Because a America is great, having something in the ass is not great, so big difference. :)

genericname85 · Accepted Answer

because an entire month is too much to celebrate your sexuality.

OlderAndWiser · Answer

1. If you are not capable of feeling proud about who you are, then you cannot understand being proud to be an American. People who are proud Americans are not stupid or unthinking, and we know it does not represent a personal accomplishment.

2. I don't have a problem with LGBTQ or anybody else being proud, but I do have a problem if anyone wants to get in my face about it or tell me that I must accept all of that as normal.

hahahmm · Answer

You're young so let me tell you a little history. 8-10 years ago almost nobody had a problem with the homosexuals, butch lesbians and transgenders. We tolerated them. Then we started noticing them pushing an agenda where almost every tv show, and movie suddenly had homo this and trans that. They started demanding special rights and to have their flag everywhere. They're a very tiny minority but they act like they're entitled to get treated as if they're more important than heterosexuals. A lot of people are tired of that and there's a backlash now.

Secondly, the culture war is becoming more extreme, due to that side pushing their filth, insisting on public sex and stuff that straight people don't find normal or appropriate in public. Their anti-social behavior is causing a pro society reaction.

That U. S. patriotism you don't care about: it's obscene to live in a country and to talk against the foundation of that nation. You wouldn't go to Mexico or Afghanistan talking crap about their nations so don't do it in the U. S. and expect it not to bite you one day.

zeitgeist057 · Answer

You say it's dumb to be proud because you were born this way and didn't earn it. I get that, you're saying we should only be proud of stuff like we worked hard to be able to swim the 5K, or run a marathon, or earn a Nobel Peace Prize, &c.

I selected "neither is dumb" because I think it's okay to be proud of things you were born with. I'm proud of my family, I'm proud of my heritage. I'm proud of my looks and intelligence and while I may work out my body and exercise my brain, I was also blessed with good genetics that make it easier for me to look good and excel in mental tasks. I think it's okay to be proud of these things. I realize I didn't "earn" my heritage, but it's still good to honor and enjoy it.

I'm not saying you're an asshole because I think I understand where you are coming from and it's not a mean spirited place. But I think that some people who are down on others for being proud are jerks; it's because they really just hate on gays or Americans, so they express that hatred by telling people not to be proud. To me, that's what is wrong, trying to bring others down with hate.

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CupcakeTheDestroyer · Answer

I get where you’re coming from but I think you’re confusing pride and patriotism. Pride, especially when relating to LGBTQ+, is about recognizing both the history and embracing your identity in the face of a government and society that actively and continues to reject you. And while I will always call myself American because I am proud of my experience and time in this country, I’m also allowed to critique my country. That doesn’t mean I love my home any less, it means I have a disagreement with the way it’s being run. If you are a heterosexual American (which I imagine you are as these critiques rarely come from people within the queer community) you don’t have to celebrate either if you don’t wish to, and you can also turn away from celebrations you don’t want to participate in. If you  do  want to participate, I believe both celebrations are open to all who wish to join. There’s even some places in Ireland that celebrate the 4th of July just because they think it’s fun. They’ll put American flags all over and have big outdoor American movie showings.

nolabels · Answer

Most people who have certain proclivities in living their lives which would include them in the LGBTQ+ community actually want nothing to do with the community titled LGBTQ+. It is a very small percentage of us who are radical, disruptive, and "proud". The vast majority of the rest of us just want to quietly live our lives as we see fit. I predict that the radicals will eventually, hopefully soon, crawl back into the holes from which they came. I am sick of having the LGBTQ+ agenda shoved down my throat and having these few radicals attempting to dictate how the world in the future will be modeled after them and them alone.

Regarding patriotism: When I was about 18 years old, I had an internal self-conversation about patriotism. At a particularly patriotic feeling moment, I asked myself why I was feeling so patriotic. I was 18 years old. What had I done to contribute to our country? Other than doing the best that I could to be a contributing member of society, I had done nothing particularly patriotic. I then realized that I was thankful for being born in the U. S. I also came to realize that by being the best person I could be and by looking up to the vision that my country's founders went to great pains to hammer into a workable system, that I was an integral part of the U. S., so sure, I have patriotic pride. I also realized that further improvement is always a good thing. No laurel-resting. Patriotism feels very different to me now than it did previous to having those thoughts.

Speaking of improvement, being "woke" is not the way. Wokeism is a massive, massive problem for the world today. The woke radicals, more numerous than the LGBTQ+ radicals, would do themselves and the world a favor by looking at the world through clear lenses.

humanearth · Answer

Both parties that control America derived from the same party the Democratic-Republican party. What better way to fool Americans than pretending they're opposition parties when in reality, they are one group of quasi-elitists who are controlled by oligarchs.

Now most men in America will work their entire lives and when they retire, if they retire, they barely have enough to live on. The average cost of a home is a 30 year mortgages? Americans are living under an illusion. We are $1 trillion in credit card debt, $2 trillion in student loans, $34 trillion in national debt. Somebody has to pay. Generation Z won't see retirement.

The oligarchs are finding innovative ways to keep the working class (proletariats) from ever achieving financial security. Every time we get close to a more equitable society, the feds introduce quantitative easing to set the working class back.

The LBGT community are merely pawns being used in human population planning efforts. Multiple politicians in foreign countries have already exposed these people. The POTUS has no real power. The American Dream is only a dream.

Kaneki05 · Answer

It's dumb to be proud of anything you didn't work for. Just been born somewhere is not something you worked for lol. Neither is sexuality or gender.
You'll never see me say I am proud cause I am straight that's dumb af same if I was gay.
You'll never see me say I am proud to be genderfluid.

Now if you are one of the few people out there who was around at the time and actually did work to get rights for gays and etc then you have worked for it therefore you can be proud.
Same way if you were a suffragette who fought for women's right to vote ya should be proud in that. But just be been a woman is not a thing you can just be proud of. Though you can for sure like been a woman if you do. But liking is separate thing to been proud.
Or if you worked for your country, then you can be proud of it as you worked for it but most people work to get money so they can live not because they actually care about the country. And if they were born in any other country they've done the exact same thing just for that country so... it's not as if you are really choosing to work for that country.

So yeah unless your actively working for something it's dumb to be proud in it.

BadApple69 · Answer

I have a long family history of the men in my family fighting for this great nation from the revolutionary war to the war in Afghanistan. For the many that fought for freedom for this great nation and the flag they fought under I am very proud!
Now the LGBT+ community did nothing to be proud of. I never had any issue with the LGBT community but it’s my belief they shouldn’t be any more proud sleeping with the same sex as I am sleeping with the opposite sex.
What causes the division is what’s being pushed on us…. the push that LBGT+ community isn’t equal to us but somehow superior to us. And this is amplified with pride MONTH vs Veterans Day. There isn’t even a day for straight people!! I work with several gay people and they are also not happy with the LGBT+ community. I really believe it’s all to push division between us. The more we are divided they easier we are to control.

snowboarder720 · Answer

Being proud of your sexuality and/or gender is one thing if society only praises being straight. No straight person commits suicide because they are straight meanwhile suicide rates for the LGBTQ+ community is the highest.

Being proud for being American means you’re also proud of history of how it became a nation. That means being proud of both it’s good history and it’s bad history. If you’re proud of this nation forming from stealing land from native Americans, raping their women, and murdering their children that really shows me more of a reflection of you and your morals. Not to mention shipping slaves across the globe only because of the color of their skin. I could go on and on about how disgusting America is with it’s history. It’s really nothing to be proud about it.

And F**k 4th of July.

JacksonD · Answer

I don't have a problem with LGBTQ+ but I do have a problem with how they tell everyone else that they are so oppressed and that they are right and everyone else is wrong (not all LGBTQ+) and who the fuck is stupid for being proud to be an American because America was based off equality and to be honest it's not because where's white month because there's pride month there's black history month juneteenth etc and don't say oh fourth of July or independence day because you all know damn well that is to celebrate the independence of a great country LGBTQ+ is one of the most protected classes in the U. S. if not the most and if you feel so oppressed go to a different country... oh wait most country's support LGBTQ+ community less than the U. S.

May be a controversial statement but refer to "The Comments Section With Brett Cooper". She says a lot of stuff I agree with well pretty much all of it and she goes in depth on the good the bad and the ugly with our country and our world.

Flatmanlewis · Answer

My immigrant wife will tell you she’s very proud to be an American - and you should be too. We’re not perfect but there is a reason so many people risk so much to come to this country and you cannot really appreciate it until they have experienced the other side of the coin.

Second, the LGBT community is not a problem to be and I understand their desire to be proud of their identity. (I do find who you are attracted to as being fundamental to your self identity weird, but that’s just me) the transgender community has hijacked the Pride movement into something that has gone from equality and respect to a forced agenda of oppressive rhetoric and propaganda. It’s like Mao’s cultural revolution - any opinion other than the prescribed opinion is deemed worthy of consequences ranging from condemnation to violence.

It turns me and many others off to whatever message they wish to send.

jshm2 · Answer

Because such people are small minded and insular. There is nothing to be "proud" about in being part of the alt, i. e LGB, whatever else they are adding this month, crowd. It's like being "proud" of being a master burglar. That you have no shame or decorum is your problem to deal with, not my circus to manage.

As for being "nationalistic" or "patriotic" you must then accept terrorists are a reaction to crimes and injustices done in your name, whether you were aware of them or not.

reds-noro · Answer

The premise of needing to accomplishing something yourself in order to justify being proud of something is so stupid. It's about unity and community. Probably best shown at the Olympics or other international sporting events where athletes and/or teams represent their country.

Miristheiss · Answer

Apples and oranges.

Proud of the country you live in and the impact it has had on the world and how many people it has helped and the achievements and advancements it has introduced...

vs.

I am proud of who I have sex with? So let me where ass chaps on a float?

If you can't recognize the lunacy of being proud of your sexual orientation and throw a big parade because you are sexually attracted to "______" then there really isn't anything more to discuss. The opinion rift is too vast.

Anonymous · Answer

If you're proud of your country for the beautiful places it has, for its culture, for its progress, good history parts, then it's ok to celebrate your nationality.

But celebrating being not normal/ being mentally ill? That's like celebrating schizophrenia or anorexia. A lot of anorexics are proud of their weigh when they're at their lowest, their mental illness doesn't allow them to see that they weren't fat at a normal weigh. Now compare that to a trans person, both are delusional, the difference is that one mental illness gets the right support to be healthy, the other one it's being fed because gender clinics and big pharma make money out of that.

DextroShade · Answer

You can be proud of the country you live in even if you didn't choose it because in case of the USA the country has a lot of achievements and many people do choose to live here and many more would if they could to the point that many of them die trying to get here.

Being proud of your sexual preferences or some gender delusion is just stupid. Why should I congratulate a guy just because he likes to bang dudes or call himself a woman?

CantMissIt · Answer

Pride in your country is something that's admirable. Most straight people don't go around talking about how proud they are to be straight or whatever. Same thing should be with homosexuals or bisexuals. No need to force people to accept your relationship or your desires. It's something you do behind closed doors anyway. The trans freaks are a different story. They need mental help and need to stay far far away from our children.

jongreat46 · Answer

I'm so sick of closet homophobes whining how they don't like gay people showing their pride in public and how they find gay sex disgusting. If you don't like it then don't do it, or they are scared of a gay guy hitting on them. Yet these are the same ones who hit on women inappropriately and don't see its the same objections a woman finds when a guy hits on them inappropriately. I am a true libertarian because I am critical of both democrats and conservatives and I am not afraid to blame conservatives when they are at fault. When it comes to homophobia and misgony and racism, conservatives take the lead over democrats oh and if you come at me with the bs line of democrats started the KKK, well both Republicans and democrats are responsible for genocide against mexican Americans during the deportation of 2 million Americans of Mexican ancestry siny for being mexicans born on us soil.

provokeesmokee · Answer

Well, Pride isn't about being proud. It's just what it's called. Pride is - and always has been - a protest.

It started with a brick thrown at cops.

American patriotism, though, especially now, is absolutely a waste of time. Besides, an American can chose to move.

A queer person can't change being queer.

Sour-rose · Answer

Well because to many, being an American is great... but they are dumb. Aaand being proud for being in under the umbrella of LGBTomatoquiche... just as dumb. But the thing about both is... someone's just gonna hate. There is no sweetness without poison in anything.

Screenwriter · Answer

You have a point about pride in something that is a matter of fact, but you did nothing to achieve it.

Maybe it should be I'm happy to be an American or happy to be LGBTQ. You enjoy the fact that you are part of that group because you identify with the people who are part of it.

But I agree, pride in something usually comes from the work the preceded the achievement. If there's been no work and it's not an achievement, why would there be pride?

NamerOfStars · Answer

Immigrants, at least, DID do something to become Americans; they get a pass.

And I'd imagine most people claiming to be proud to be Americans are more proud of the country and what it's done then their membership in it.

SolitarySolace · Answer

Probably because there’s nothing to be proud of when it comes to being lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, etc. It just is. Not everyone in the US is lgbtq+, but everyone in the US (who isn’t an illegal) is American and can be proud of the Americans who sacrificed their own lives in actual wars (ww1, ww1, Vietnam,) and not cry about those who killed themselves and claim it was because they’re oppressed. The trans shooter who killed Christian’s at a school and was killed in retaliation doesn’t deserve to be martyred after what it did.

NotInterestedSorry · Answer

Probably because the very people who are proud lbgqt tend to shove it in people's faces and if you don't agree with things they say and do they accuse you of being homophoic

KostasKouvalis · Answer

And I'm proud to be an American

Where at least I can have butt sex

And I won't forget, the dignity that died

To give that right to me

And I'll gladly strip down

Next to you

You'll demolish my butthole

'Cuz their ain't no doubt

I love that schlong

God bless, the U S Gayyyyyyyyy

ODC2112 · Answer

It's a problem of scale.

1) In one case, one is proud to be different and feels special for it.

2) In the other case, one is proud to be equal to his fellow citizens and feels special only when compared to other peoples.

In case 1 it creates heterogeneity and therefore social conflict, in case 2 it can create conflicts of another type.

jahaims · Answer

Because they agree with the idea/values of what America was trying to be. People fight and die in wars to try to keep the idea of America alive. Those same people are the reason why people in minority groups can protest. You are confusing national pride with people using their sexual preference as a personality/identity. It would be just as weird if a straight person used their sexual preference as their personality.

WanderingLoveWizard · Answer

There's no problem with either.
It's when it gets to the point of rubbing it people's faces where the problem begins to arise.
We don't need an entire month of virtue signaling companies and gay dudes running around in thongs to know that gay people matter. We get it. We don't care.

Siri137 · Answer

Because they're inconsistent? I agree, a person shouldn't be proud of either. It's silly.

Dargil · Answer

If you quit those two things equally then there's no value and even talking with you about it.

WhiteBoyChill · Answer

When people say I’m proud to be American, they more just mean that they are grateful to live in this country.

Which for what it’s worth, is a very good thing. I’d rather that then the people that find a million things to complain about in the country.

Anonymous · Answer

Nobody cares about the lgbtq and that's the problem with a lot of the LGBTQ, they want drama and validation

Anonymous · Answer

i truly don't understand it either. i never once thought "hey, you know what, i'm proud to be straight" like... okay? it's very odd.

OddBeMe · Answer

Ehh, yeah I see “pride” in gayness, race or nation as dumb. It’s not an achievement.  At least in being gay they’re surviving a hostile community.

DarkLegacy · Answer

People should always be proud of their country unless the live in countries like the USA

Meropatrick · Answer

Being proud of your country hold Some patriot concept about it. loving your country and defending it with your life. But proud of being gay is like what? Proud of your bedroom situation?

Anonymous · Answer

It's equally dumb. Though, I do think some of the dislike for the LGBTQ community, that does seap into other factors like rolling your eyes at "pride), is their inclination towards 'victimhood'.

Äxlbäksölöl · Answer

Well in my country those lgbtq parades block the road

Exterminatore · Answer

Being proud to be American is associated more with pride in one’s country as opposed to individual pride. Being proud of LGBT is just being prions of being a pervert, sexual degenerate, and a narcissistic attention whore.

007kingifrit · Answer

because being American is good. but being sexually deviant is harmful to any society pride does not come from effort, but exclusion of others

VforVindication · Answer

America aka Americas has way more going for it than the alphabet community and their sexual perversions.

zebronics · Answer

Because being proud of something which leads to the destruction of the existence of the human being in the universe is really dumb.

lightbulb27 · Answer

Good point. Pride is a questionable identity.  Maybe thankful is better... With a watchful eye to what is better...

Cubus · Answer

You can't choose your sexuality. So being proud of it is dumb.

mommymommymommy · Answer

As long as it's not "the other side", that's all that matters to them

Anonymous · Answer

Because a good portion of the LGHDTV group are people with mental disorders that society has done nothing to help but affirm them in their delusions.

Anonymous · Answer

"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall". The word "pride" really should be changed to "happy"

crossdressingrihno · Answer

I agree none of those things actually matter.

monghjay2 · Answer

once GOD gives the order this place will be destroyed just like the other nations

Aiko_E_Lara · Answer

Why is it ok to burn the American flag but a hate speech to burn the LGBT flag?

Anonymous · Answer

Simple. Sodomy is nothing to be proud of.

Vazdan · Answer

Blind nationalism and tribalism are toxic elements that have no place in a orderly society.

gothbxtch · Answer

option c

KatherineJ · Answer

Be proud of who and what you are.

Anonymous · Answer

I’m proud to be an LGBTQIA+ American.

Why do people complain about people being proud for being LGBTQ+ but they are proud to be American?

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