Gun laws make more criminals. Agree=no need to read. Disagree=can you read and imagine?

[Whlskey]

Imagine you are a potential criminal.

You own a gun and need cash today!
Gun laws are so strict that, because of your job as a security guard, you have the privilege to own a firearm.

You know the public isn't armed and you have 2 options rob the liquor store or the gun shop. 10/10 times your not robbing the gun shop.

Now remove the gun laws.
Your potential victims have the option to have the same power as you do.

The liquor store is just as much of a life threatening risk as the gun shop.

Your out of options, you can't even mug anyone without the possibility of being incapacitated on the street. Maybe you turn to burglary of an empty house, building, parked car, or other another non-violent crime.

Point being that people who wish to do wrong to others are deterred when facing equally powered confrontation.

[jshm2]

You're a fucking retard if you believe half of what you've spewed, dimwit.

Criminals don't give a shit about "wrong" or "deterrent". Nor do they care what size of gun you have or amount of ammo. Also, chances are there are more of them, than you and your fucking pop gun, anyway. It's why they are sentenced and put away.

Deterrents are for opportunistic people, and petty thieves. The type of people who know a stint in jail means homelessness, and end of their career if they fuck around.

Guns are not the issue, it's ammo availability and gun culture that is the issue. There are strict gun laws in Europe. Yet a fraction of the gun crime rampant in the USA. Point being Muricans will always be a danger to Muricans. They are a flawed people.

[Whlskey]

So your saying you know of a robbery at a gun shop? Or of a shooting at a gun show? All people, criminal or not, are wired to seek the "easiest" route. so when resistance to your plans includes someone with equal power you will factor in possibility of weaker targets. Eliminate the the weakness from the equation and you will reconsider your plan of action. Be it more like minded individuals accompaning you for leverage or to avoid the possibility of defeat by choosing a less confrontational route.
Your insults are a sign of your weakness and I hope you are able to overcome them some day.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Gun laws make more criminals as there now is another law you can break.

Just imagine if they pass a law which requires you to pass special training for your guns and special storage safes, guns and ammo seperated, ... and so on.

There will be at least a handfull of people who won't follow the law, breaking it, and thusly becoming a criminal.

[Whlskey]

I agree

[Anonymous]

Gun control half measures don’t work because only the law abiding people follow it. The only way to effectively cut down on gun violence is to take them from everyone. The legal gun market feeds the illegal market. You have to remove guns from the equation entirely to make a real difference and our US constitution forbids that, so we are effectively stuck where we’re at and have to live with the consequences.

[Whlskey]

Let's imagine all the guns were taken. The would be criminal will now must use another form of leverage for power over victims. Like a knife or a machete. Removing guns doesn't fix violent crime. The viont crine rate will remain the same as the tools for leverage change but the people's power to resist oppression will decrease.

[Opinion Owner]

It won’t fix violent crime altogether but it does remove the most efficient means of killing others. Without guns, we wouldn’t have mass shootings or drive by shootings. Criminals would have to use less lethal weapons with less ability to inflict mass casualties. There’s no question society would be safer but under our constitutional system and current political environment, that isn’t possible so it’s useless to even debate really.

[Whlskey]

You are correct but it's double edged for that efficiency. Effective for offense and Effective for defense. Why would anyone want to weaken their own defense? Also have you heard of the mass stabbings in European grocery stores/ shopping facilities? Or maybe mass bludgeoning in other crowded areas? Tools can change but the bigger problem isn't addressed.

[Opinion Owner]

You have a much higher chance of surviving a knife or blunt force attack, than being shot. You also don’t have the ability to kill from a distance or to inflict multiple casualties within seconds with a knife or club. Even though I own and regularly carry a gun, I know they are a scourge on humanity. I would gladly give mine up if they were taken from everyone. It doesn’t solve the root cause of violence but it does reduce the ability to carry it out as efficiently and on a large scale.

[Whlskey]

I promise you the removal of guns from law abiding citizens will not effect crime rates. Grenades are definitely not legal to own in most countries yet I personally have purchased them for $125 each. They are readily available but in my opinion they are overpriced likely due to the risk involved in smuggling. The same group sells bullet proof apparel for roughly $150.
Nonetheless the legality of tools may seem to hinder crime but truthfully the crime will remain until the problem is resolved.
The main difference between legal guns and no legal guns is your ability to defend yourself with an equal power to your adversary.

[Opinion Owner]

I’ll agree to disagree

[Whlskey]

I am asking as a person who values self-growth, and character development, to continue with your perspective so that I can broaden my views and understand more about the topic. I try to learn without bias and do not like echochambers. I try not to belittle and I fear that I may be a victim of narrow mindedness on the subject.
Please, will you continue with the conversation?

[purplepoppy]

In my county we don't carry guns and there are strict laws around them.
We have 0-3 murders a year.
People aren't getting mugged
Armed robbery is extremely rare
I walk unlit roads regularly including a 100 yard unlit tunnel at night unarmed

Criminals don't carry guns because if they're caught it severely increases their sentence.

[Whlskey]

What about all the stabbings? People will be violent criminals regardless of their tools. The lack of firearms in that specific area of discussion is seemingly positive until you think bigger and consider how much more the government gets to oppress the people without much resistance and the amount of violent crime hasn't decreased only the tools have changed.

[Whlskey]

The UK was ranked #2 in the world for the percentage of the population being victims of assault. 2.8% in 2002

[inhua]

criminals are a result of bad circumstances which society and the government refuse to acknowledge and fix

[Whlskey]

I feel that Government ntervention shouldn't be considered in regards to fixing this issue. Governments seek power and have been known use exploitation as a means to obtain it. I dont believe in relying on Governments and don't wish to relinquish what little freedoms we have left. As a society it's seemingly impossible to accommodate every walk of life and their individual circumstances. It would take more time, effort, and resources than I possess to resolve the issue.

[Alex8736]

Gun laws prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves and growing up in the city its so easy to get a gun on the streets if you indeed had malice and intent

[Whlskey]

I agree with your opening statement and your scenario for ability to possess a firearm is possible with strict gun laws as well as making ownership illegal.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Who the fuck arms a mall cop?

[Whlskey]

Look at the image. Armed security is an option for civilians seek gainful employment.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Yeah, that’s a mall cop

[Whlskey]

So in regards to your question, Employers arm security guards. In relation to my hypothetical scenario you could be one of the many armed security guards who can possess a firearm and use it against the unarmed civilians of your hypothetical governed land to get the money you need. Or Maybe someone stole your gun and uses it for their future crimes. Now your in trouble for losing the gun and there is a gun available for countless other criminals to purchase.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

That’s a good point. Gun laws don’t stop crimes, they just stop crimes where people die by gun.

[Whlskey]

Sadly true, humans kill humans, the tools will change with circumstance. I dont know how to fix it and I don't know if anyone can.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

There is, people just won’t change laws based on empathizing with criminals rather than just making laws to punish them. With exception to sex crimes and hate crimes, you can find out exactly why people choose to rob, or murder, or drive drunk

[Whlskey]

Your right a lack of empathy as well as attribution error.
Nobody has gotten to the root of the problem and found a way to make an impact. The core hasn't been addressed properly by someone with the resources to correct it. So many variables, it's no wonder why people take the easy route by blaming the tools and giving up their rights to freedom in the hope of it being for the greater good

[In_Trance]

Laws protect the stupid and powerless

[Whlskey]

Like laws for passing a school bus with its stop sign out?

[In_Trance]

That would be protecting the stupid

[Whlskey]

And powerless

[Massageman]

I read it anyway. Nice piece.

[DarkLegacy]

I didn't read and i disagree

[Cherkez]

True I agree