GUNS: Should we restrict handguns to .22 calibers?

[OddBeMe]

Why even offer.44 Magnum on the markets? .22s are perfectly fine for defense. You probably won't kill the burglar but he WILL run if shot.

BUT I WANT TO BE DIRTY HARRY!

Fck u libtard

Seems logical

Maybe…

Other

[WindAtMyBack]

When I worked on a farm I saw a butcher take down a 1200 pound bull with a single shot from a 22 rifle. The bull dropped instantly. However this was someone who knew what they were doing. They got in the right position, took their time and placed the shot perfectly.

In a real world situation, if you ever need to shoot someone, a 22 is not a reliable way to do it. It MIGHT take the person down. It MIGHT scared them off. But you can't count on either one. Most sane rational people will stop what they are doing simply by having a gun pointed at them. If you ever need to shoot, it means they are not sane or not rational. In that kind of situation, you fire instantly and will be lucky to hit the person, even at fairly close range. In that kind of situation, you don't want maybe. You want to make damn sure they stop, right now.

Remember this is a person who did not stop when you pointed a gun at them. This is a very dangerous person. It's not time to be nice. Because anyone who does not stop when you point a gun at them isn't there to chat over a cup of tea.

[goaded]

Yes. And one bullet. With your social security number imprinted on it.

[OddBeMe]

Well that would be a high cost to fire that. I could take out credit cards if I find the slug or shell. Lol

[Juxtapose]

Fuck that fascist shit.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose thanks for the input. Is Fred around?

[Juxtapose]

Ask your wife.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose she has size standards down there. Sorry mate.

[Juxtapose]

I'm well above average. 3 learning disabilities was enough to get me "retard dick" lol.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose wow. But the…let’s say powder, in your caliber ain’t to her standards.

[Juxtapose]

My cum tastes good 👍

[davado88]

your women are v. ugly hence who cares what she likes, finkelstein?
i suspect its the turkish genes. Moustaches and so on

[OddBeMe]

YUK. 88 is blocked…Nazis. I hate these guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sp3dIyNA2A

[Daniela1982]

Let me ask you this, what caliber guns do police use, and how many times do they shoot a person before they stop? The cops shoot until the threat is ended, which seems like bullshit, because they shoot him 10 times in one second before the guy can even lift his arm to scratch his nose. I remember reading about a person in Portland, Or. that was walking towards the police with 2 knives and they emptied their guns into him when he was like 30 feet away. Yet there is concern that someone shoots a home invader once with a.44 magnum when he is only 5 feet away? If you use a.22 he can still kill you before they die. Also if someone is coming at you from 5 feet away you don't have the time to aim your gun precisely, you just shoot to kill, and one shot from a.44 will drop him in his tracks.

[OddBeMe]

Firstly, that pick is now my profile.

Second, cops don’t hit anything with bullets unless they’re black or pregnant. Or black and pregnant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LaiZEOOEOw

[FreyaRed]

"You probably won't kill the burglar but he WILL run if shot."
then he runs home, relaxes, feels tired after adrenaline stops to work, falls asleep and dies because inner and external bleeding.

Hydrostatic shock of a.44 would bring him instantly down after one hit but the defender would very likely call cops and ambulance instantly. His survival chance would increase that way.

[OddBeMe]

Lol yeah because he’s too stupid to go to the hospital on his own

[AmeerX]

Good answer @freyared

[FreyaRed]

hospital is ticked to jail, docs are obliged to inform police about shot wounds and cops will put one and one together.

[OddBeMe]

You’d be surprised when life is at stake.

..44 will kill them.

[AmeerX]

@freyared exactly 💯
And @OddBeMe why do you insist it will be a head shot always? It's usually to injure the person not kill them

[OddBeMe]

@AmeerX im not. A.44 blast will put an inch wide hole in the person. Even in the leg theyd prob bleed to death. Fcking killers.

[AmeerX]

At point blank, the hole is not big. At long range, exit wound is bigger than the entrance. And we have mostly 9mm and 7.72*39 wounds from pistols.
Why are you worried about a person dying and I am sure you have never injured nor seen an injured person.
My father was shot by a 9mm pistol in an assassination attempt. He survived and bullet lodged in his chest

[OddBeMe]

@AmeerX ok Rambo. Tell it to the Sandy hook families.

[AmeerX]

Hey, don't get angry with me okay. I didn't judge you as such. You don't get to tell me that I am wrong. I fended off a case for 3 years because of crooked police officers who lured my father into a trap. They took 50,000 USD both judges and Police district officer. You try living in a pyramid of corruption.
Would you be happy if everyone except your wife and children said no to bribe and no one saw anything. I sacrificed too much to be joking around being nice to criminals and the corrupt.
Glimpse of case. Enemy attacked our land and then when they couldn't kill him, they faked injury to one of their own. Next month is cases anniversary. The time spent in jail without trial and the enemy trying for a compromise is no joke. You are far from reality if you are thinking I am being a Rambo here.

[KingAnon]

I don't know. Most burglars aren't going to hang around once they've been discovered in the house. They know people can push one button and alert the police-- they don't even have to get out of bed. And most burglars are not armed and most of them don't enter when you're home. Smart burglars wait until the house is empty and they do surveillance on your house ahead of time to learn your routines, and then strike when you're not there. Only two-bit, half wit junkies would break into someone's house when they're home.

I don't know why Americans always imagine guns to be the answer to possible burglaries. A good alarm system will deter most burglars. Most fucknut burglars don't know how to disable an alarm system, so as soon as they trip it, they're not gonna stick around. My father has one that is ridiculously loud. Nobody's hanging around after that goes off.

Dogs too. Dogs will sense most burglars before they even get through a window or door. Just get a chihuahua. Those things bark if the wind blows. No intelligent burglar is going to stick around with a goddamed dog barking it's ass off in the middle of the night. The common denominator is noise. Burglars need it quiet to do their work. They don't like noise. Noise draws attention to them. Anything that makes lots of noise is going to deter most burglars. You're best defense against burglars is noise, lots of it. Noise wakes you up, you speed dial 911 and find a safe place to hold up. If the burglar sticks around he's an idiot. Cops will have him in cuffs shortly thereafter.

Guns? Well if you want to go to prison, fine by me. I don't live in a place where you can prove self-defense that easily. So I'm gonna be smart about it.

[OfDeath]

Guns in America is a complicated issue. What is it, the second amendment? States that citizens have the right to bear arms. It is this constitutional right which sets USA apart from the rest if the world. If faced with serious government tyrany, you should be able to band together and defend yourselves. However, it will likely be a losing battle. But it is the principle.

Yes, less guns and gun restrictions should lead to less gun crime. However, it would also result in a reduced capacity to for civilians to defend themselves.

Murders, gangs, robberies etc will all keep happening but that is the proverbial price of freedom.

[Drewtate]

.22 won't stop a guy on methamphetamine. This is why a lot of people prefer 45 ACP. I've 2 Glocks I run 9mm but considering going up in cartridge size as a Glock might require a double tap to put and attacker down and if they are armed that's not good enough. The key word is stopping power and if a guy got any kind of body armour you in trouble.

[goaded]

But what if the guy on meth is driving a tank? Shouldn't you be allowed to carry a Javelin?

Is there a right to own body armour? Why is it legal? The only reason to put it on is if you think someone might shoot you, which is a very small proportion of the population who aren't mass shooters.

[OddBeMe]

@goaded what if he had a nuke? We should have also have nukes in our homes for deterrents. Good guys with a nuke, you know?

[AmeerX]

Get the 7.62*25mm TT pistol and the bad guy will be guaranteed to die after confessing at a hospital 👍

[OddBeMe]

@AmeerX are you a Russian arms dealer? We’re not going to Ukraine.

[OddBeMe]

I guess that’s my point. I don’t want anyone to die.

[Drewtate]

When the bust into your house they don't give you a choice

[davado88]

what if nukes dont actually exist

[OddBeMe]

@drewtate That’s the right wing gun nut mindset. That thugs are there to jacked on coke and ready to rape your wife. No. It’s a burglar who broke in and will run if he’s shot. Even by a.22.

Then the cops can run their dna and catch him. Hell even Ted Bundy ran when people were startled in nearby coed dorms.

Your Dirty Harry fantasy is causing people to lose lives needlessly.

[Drewtate]

That's not a fantasy. I was broken into a year ago and shot the guy with my 9mm security six. Had to put a 2nd round in him to stop him, he had a knife, luckily it wasn't a.22.

[OddBeMe]

I can’t prove or disprove that. That seems way over exaggerated. Not impossible but certainly a once in a lifetime experience.

Unless you live in a shit neighborhood I guess.

[Drewtate]

Happening every week. I moved to a white suburb. It's getting to the stage that we all going to have to live in gated communities.

[OddBeMe]

(Shrug) usually stories like these are blasted nationwide. So…again, I can’t disprove.

[Drewtate]

Stories like this are everyday. Stories that get blasted nationwide usually have a race angle. White guy shoots black guy

[AmeerX]

Lol, no 😂. But TT is popular in my country. We make copies in our country. @OddBeMe TT pistol wounds a person to live to reach a hospital at least. 9mm is considered more lethal in our country.

[AmeerX]

@OddBeMe if you are concerned someone might die just get a shotgun and they will probably be injured and not die.
We caught a robber in our workplace which has to deal with cash the following way. They came, they used Uzi type weapon and sprayed the bullets. And then they attempted to flee then one of the guywho had his own pistol as well shot the guy running away on the bike in the back. Next day they went to hospital, same hospital our injured was admitted and claimed they got shot while running away from robbers themselves but we identified them and they were arrested. And instead of.22 round just shoot a person in leg. The pain itself cripples him. No one is that hardened enough to withstand being shot and still keep fighting for too long except in movies I think.

[Drewtate]

@AmeerX a 12 gauge shotgun will rip a man in half

[AmeerX]

No, it doesn't. And we don't fire at his torso or face. Usually aim is on the legs. And distance is usually 70-80 feet. There are different 1# Guage rounds like those buckshot, slug, and so on. The one we use has 120 something pellets. That's less lethal but still lethat.

[OddBeMe]

@AmeerX funny how arteries are in the legs. Slower death.

[goaded]

If you're willing to help, it doesn't have to be.

[AmeerX]

Slower death but not death and you have to draw the line where the attacker will be disabled enough.
You are caring too much about a person but not realizing they attack with ferocity. I am not American but we have criminals and just a month ago a two guys on bikes tried to rob my fuel station. Unlucky the safety didn't turn off otherwise they would have seen how my man shot them and see the repercussions of injuring one of my workers by shooting him in the feet. The other guy was amateur and tried firing the Shotgun without taking safety off.

[OddBeMe]

@AmeerX if I shot an attacker with a 22 they’d run. From the sound of the gunshot attracting cops, to him bleeding from an unknown caliber, he may think he’s dying.

He doesn’t need to die or be disabled. That’s the Dirty Harry fallacy

[AmeerX]

You are too presumptuous brother.
1. We have dirty cops in my country. Would you trust the gun in your hand or Cop who might get late?
2. Cops are incompetent in my country they take bribes too.
3. Criminals attack when they give cuts to Police.
4. And next you will say black lives matter etc. Remember if I have to kill a 100 of my own people to save my family I would do it without a blink. You should toughen up too.
5. We get fake police encounters of unarmed citizens too. So, weapon is a deterrent against them as well.

I am surprised you are 39 and still pacifist. Why do you want to risk your family safety? I follow gun laws debate in US and dear brothers don't give up this right? Your people need to show self restraint. Keeping a weapon itself is your safety more against the corrupt then the criminal.

[Drewtate]

Where I'm from if you shot an attacker with a.22 they'd return fire.

[OddBeMe]

I think if you shot any one who was armed they’d return fire, luckily we aren’t great shots. Even trained cops only have a 30% hit rate in real gunfights,

[AmeerX]

True, when my father got shot his friend was in shook and he couldn't even take his pistol out to return fired.
My father had to get the MP5 out of his bag to return fire otherwise they did return fire. And he was military retired veterans.

[exitseven]

I got a.357 magnum instead of a.38 because if I ever have to shoot somebody I want to make sure they stay down.

[OddBeMe]

That’s sadistic. But so are deer hunters.

[exitseven]

it would be sadistic to make them suffer with several.22 caliber wounds. i would make sure they did not suffer.

[OddBeMe]

Nope they would be more likely to live with.22s.

[OddBeMe]

And what’s wrong with living? Why are right wingers so attached to killing?

[Daniela1982]

😮😮😮💀☠

[exitseven]

@OddBeMe Yes, but they would suffer. This way it would be quick and greasy.

[msc545]

Very simply because if you shoot somebody with a 22 you might just make him angry and not cause him to run. And if he has a gun he's going to shoot you and probably with something a lot bigger than a 22. If I have to shoot somebody I'm not interested in wounding them. I'm interested in killing them before they kill me.

[OddBeMe]

It’s not a pellet gun. And the burglar rapist deep cover assassin for the Illuminati wouldn’t necessarily know what caliber he was shot with.

I’m just saying perhaps we don’t sell rounds that blow inch wide holes in people. .22’s are deadly enough shooting rapidly without the ability to go through a wall and kill your apartment neighbor.

[goaded]

"if he has a gun he's going to shoot you and probably with something a lot bigger than a 22"
Then he could have been arrested at any time before that for being in possession of an illegal firearm, no?

[BoopBoopBeep]

I've never shot anyone to merely hurt them. One, that's illegal, so you'd have excessive force charges there, and two, if I'm pulling the trigger on somebody a few times we're past the "maybe he'll be a fine upstanding person one day" part of life.

Let him flee and go pick on someone who isn't bigger than him? No thanks, I don't leave my trash for someone else.

That said, I went with "other" because I think "Fuck you libtard" was a bit much.

[Redstang88]

Pointless and asinine as usual. While I do agree most of the population is far too stupid to be armed in public and am glad it’s illegal here, IF you’re going to do something, do it right

If someone is enough of a threat to justify lethal force, a 22 is gonna do no more than piss them off. If you have to shoot someone/thing, you want them to go down and stay down.

[Anonymous]

we have severe gun laws here. Brought in in the 1980s after rather obvious pys ops gun massacres perpetrated by the powers that be.
Therefore they dont want us armed, which means we bloodywell should be.
The deadlier the weapon the better

[OddBeMe]

Not sure where you are or what govt did psy ops gun massacres. Soviets in Eastern Europe?

But research your neighbors to the west. Strict gun laws- you can still get them- and less crime.

[Opinion Owner]

im not stupid enough to buy your hippy bullshit. Psy ops aren't carried out by governments which i why i said the powers that be. Happened here in australia despite the need being a vast mainly rural country. Happened to every country in Europe.
If it happened in usa too we'd all be fkd

[OddBeMe]

(Hands under chin)
Oooh! Who are the powers that be? Please be as specific as possible.

[Opinion Owner]

are you a jew? you smell like one?
got any minors buried in your basement. finkelsten?

[OddBeMe]

Ahh, I’m getting whiffs of Nazi. I thought finkelstien may be anti semitic but I wanted to give you a chance first. Well thanks for coming forward so soon and announcing your Nazism.

Fare thee well asshole.

[purplepoppy]

The problem is a live burglar is also a witness against you. He could easily argue he sure surrendered and put his arms up but you shot him anyway.

[OddBeMe]

Doesn’t matter really. You can defend your home. As long as there’s no evidence of sadistic execution…

Which was a case. Somehow one burglary was audio recorded when a young guy and girl broke into an old man’s home. He shot them both wounding them seriously but not fatally. He then could be heard mumbling angrily as he executed both in the head. He’s in jail for murder.

[davado88]

obvious agenda is obvious, funkrlstein. Ask them to send someone smarter next time

[Anonymous]

No, I live in a country with no legal handguns, I got to a range because it's fun and they don't keep.22's because they are small enough to be stolen and don't work well on the target system
To be fair most of their small stuff in 9mm rather than magnum hand cannon sized

[Mach40]

Cops use glocks because they work, they dont use bb guns. Lol.. Want any video on shootouts, not one uses.22 or a bbgun.. lol..

[Mach40]

Typo.. not want but Watch any video..

[OddBeMe]

Umm, yes and they kill well. Unfortunately the wrong people most of the time. Recently like the pregnant woman going 2mph against an officers leg.

Cops shouldn’t carry. We should have swat on call.

[Mach40]

"I believe what you're saying is only idealistic. In the real world, as we see in videos like those on YouTube or in documentaries like 'Forensic Files,' police officers often encounter dangerous and life-threatening situations where they need to be equipped with firearms. Policing can be inherently risky, and there are situations where the use of firearms becomes necessary not only for their own safety but also to protect the public.
However, it's crucial to strike a balance between providing law enforcement officers with the tools they need and ensuring responsible use of force. The key challenge lies in improving training, enhancing accountability mechanisms, and developing clear guidelines for the use of force. These discussions aim to address the practical challenges and complexities of policing while promoting public safety and the responsible use of firearms by law enforcement. It's a complex issue with no easy answers, and a balanced approach that considers both safety and accountability is essential

[OddBeMe]

So we support the vast supply of guns to the streets. Then turn around and bitch about crime and murders. And how deadly policing can be. Your logic is a circular loop of bullshit.

Answer: Gun Buybacks nationwide, No cop with a gun. But swat is easily available to descend on an area when needed. Boom done.

[Mach40]

Your frustration with the current situation is clear, and you propose significant changes like nationwide gun buybacks and limiting police officers' access to firearms. Relying on specialized units like SWAT for critical situations could reduce the regular presence of firearms among officers. However, implementing these changes would require careful planning to balance safety and individual rights, making the debate on this issue complex and ongoing.

[OddBeMe]

Thanks for the disclaimer. But it’s still the right course.

And gun nuts (not you, I don’t know honestly) aren’t helping themselves by fighting it.

[Massageman]

Banning large caliber ammo is like banning larger spoons hoping that people won't get fat. Illogical.

[OddBeMe]

No it’s like banning the amount of sugar put in cereals or soda. Somehow that works in Europe. Seriously, look up Fanta orange comparison America Europe.

[Jersey2]

.223 is a twenty two, some call it a 5.56mm or AR15 round. :D

Anyway, .22 depleted uranium rounds might be ok, otherwise, no.

[Jersey2]

Oh, by the way, .22 is currently the third most deadly caliber (there are articles on it). It used to be the deadliest. I have a lot of guns and the little.22 is more potent than the non-gun people think.

[OddBeMe]

I have read that, as it’s the quietest and easiest to handle. But majority of suicides are by handguns. And suicidal people can’t shoot themselves twice.

[Jersey2]

There is indeed a suicide epidemic that has been happening for years. It doesn’t get attention from our leaders. Sadly, a lot of those who commit suicide also served our country in the military. We owe these men but they are ignored when they need help, its not right.

[OddBeMe]

Yep. And take away handguns, less likely to stab or jump off bridge. A gun is a literal suicide machine.

[douride2]

It isn't the guns that kill people. It's the idiots holding the gun that does the killing. With that said there is no reason to own a 357 magnum.

[chico800]

A.22 pistol isn't good for much. Old-school mob hitmen would use them for sneaky up-close-and-personal hits, because the bullet would ricochet around inside of the victim's skull.

[OddBeMe]

True. So they’re good for home defense and sporting. Why do we need.44 magnum?

[davado88]

stop whining or move to Europe where guns are banned, hippy

[OddBeMe]

@davado88 ran out of logic already?

[davado88]

well i can't argue with your logic, Finkelstein. You haven't used any

[OddBeMe]

@davado88 despite your My Blue Heaven reference and wherever you got “finkelstein”…. you have yet to put forth any argument for a homeowner not in the mafia to have a.44 caliber pistol.

[davado88]

pretty sure I've made several finkrlstein, incuding that you have an agenda in cahoots with the powers that be. UNDERSTANDEE ENGRISH, STUPID?

[OddBeMe]

@davado88 I’ve asked who the powers that be are and you just call me antisemitic names. I haven’t the time nor inclination to argue with a dumbass Nazi.

You keep up this spamming I’ll have to block you. Which I hate doing.

[chico800]

Well no, they're not good for home defense. That's what I just wrote.

[OddBeMe]

Why? Some guy gets show with an unknown caliber he’s out the door.

See you gun nuts have this Jason Voorhees, Dirty Harry mentality. When actually, it’s more likely to shoot a family member. Better it be a.22, huh?

[Dargil]

The AR15 round has approximately 22 Caliber projectile. Call it a.22 magnum.

[OddBeMe]

Honestly I’ve never been totally against long guns. Technically you could argue they’re safer like a sharper knife as they’re more accurate.

My argument here is against selling bullets that blow an inch wide hole through someone in one shot, go out the window and blow another inch wide hole in a bystander.

[OddBeMe]

But we’ll come to blows on magazine restrictions.

[Anonymous]

Restricting handguns to.22 calibers only means law abiding citizens can't have them. Everyone else can, and they will. Kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

[OddBeMe]

What would happen to guns of higher calibers on the street? Like what would happen to the price of street weapons to criminals were we to ban them?

[Opinion Owner]

Same thing that has happened to illegal drugs. They will of course still be available at reasonable prices, especially to the criminals wo control the illegal import and trade of drugs / guns.

[OddBeMe]

Wrong.

You diminish supply, demand goes up. Prices skyrocket. Less bad guys with guns. Moron.

[Opinion Owner]

Bad guys will always have access to guns, just like they do drugs. Get a clue, you ignorant fuck.

[Juxtapose]

You don't know much about guns. The.22 is the favored caliber of assassins.

[OddBeMe]

Right and assassins are the largest criminal groups in America.

[AmeerX]

No, 7.62*39 should be the smallest calibre for civilian use rifles. Shotgun rounds excluded

[OddBeMe]

I would have to look that up. Appears similar tho.

[AmeerX]

That's for AK-47 round. Just good enough and lethal enough but not excessive.
The bigger rounds than this are used in Battle rifles. And a lot of weapons will become criminal if we only go for 0.22 calibre.
In my country we have a different law. Federal arms license is for prohibited bore. 7.62*39 is prohibited of course. And non prohibited bore license are all shotgun rounds, all pistol rounds like 9mm and all semi automatic weapons regardless of rounds.

[DarkLegacy]

If the Americans had any sense they would ban guns full stop.

[Snakeyes7]

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Doesn't matter what caliber is used. You get shot in the wrong place i. e head, heart or if a artery is hit you're dead.

[KrakenAttackin]

It's hard to kill a deer with a.22. It's also hard to kill an intruder or a tyrannical government with a.22.