Do false rape victims make it harder for real rape victims?

[Anonymous]

Hear me out, ever heard of the story the boy who cried wolf? Well one can only imagine a similar thing, not with the same person but wouldn't it mean that the more people are caught for falsely claiming rape the harder it will make it for actual rape victims? Because people will just believe that the person is lying, people will think "it's just another one of those lying money hungry scammers" I believe the punishment for false claiming rape should be major because the more people do this, the less people will believe victims that were actual victims to rape, agree or disagree? 🤔

[Leapfrog00]

I do believe a lot of people that claim to be rape victims weren't actually raped and they make it harder for real rape victims to be believed. I date a girl once who broke up with me, claiming she was raped by another guy, and couldn't be with me anymore because she didn't trust guys anymore. A month later, I discovered she lied about the whole thing. What really happened was she cheated on me, was ashamed, and made up the whole rape story.

I also believe that people go too far when they claim they're raped. I knew a girl once, a narcissist, who claimed her boyfriend raped her when nothing of the sorts happened. The guy was getting ready to go to jail for 3 years when she finally confessed, she made the whole thing up because she was mad at him for not wanting to marry her. If the two adults are consenting, it's not rape.

I hear all kinds of stories about if a guy ejaculates inside the girl without telling her, it's considered rape. It's definitely an asshole thing to do, but rape is when the other party doesn't agree to sexual intercourse.

... and I think because of things like this, real rape victims, rape victims who were held down, clothes ripped off, and forced to engage in sexual acts against their will, I believe it makes it harder for people to take them seriously.

[tbk83]

No, or more precisely, accusations that turned out to be likely false shoud not have any impact at all on any other cases.

The stated logic is roughly "if fewer fasle rape accusations were made, people would be less likely to believe a true rape accusation." But if you consider that, due to the nature of the crime, rape accusations often can't be proven true or false, it turns in to "if fewer rape accusations were revealed to be false, people would be less likely to not believe a true rape accusation." Clearly, that is not a desirable goal because it could be achieved by skipping investigations and just assuming guilt. It would then turn into "if we always assume all accusations to be true, people would never not believe a true rape accusation." Of course, that would mean a lot of innocent people would have their lives ruined.

So in the end, it shouldn't matter how many accusations are revealed to be false; even if the number is zero, we must strongly consider the possibility that an accused person is innocent until proven otherwise. (At least in the eyes of the law and in the court of public opinion. If your friend says she was raped, you better believe her unless you have reason to doubt her.)

[Moirine]

As a child rape victim you can't come out and tell your family what happened because of false rape victims. They're going to questioning the credibility of the story and ask a question (s) every silent rape victim gets "why didn't you tell anynone" "why didn't you come out sooner". People who scream false rape should be jailed because they are wasting state resources and ruining lives.

[Asker]

Yep that was my hypothesis, it would make people go all boy who cried wolf and no one would believe smh

[DubiousIntentions]

I agree. These false accusers should face jail time and big fines. I'm sure too much of this goes on, and some recourse for their actions might bring it to a halt. That being said, I'm sure a lot of these women are not thinking about that when they make the claims.

[TonyMetal___86]

Miss dubious do you believe in marital rape? I mean everytime i think of it, it makes me laugh because usually any man can rape a woman except the husband because when a couple are married, there is no such thing as forcing or consent or any of this and sex can happen at anytime between a married couple, it's not like a stranger who came and raped the woman, it's non sense, that's why i believe that if a couple are truly married than rape can never exists...

Unless the wife had to say no for a specific reason and the husband used physical violence such as beating her to force her for sex than it ain't rape, it's physical abuse only and for sure a real husband wouldn't beat his wife for sex 😄

Everytime someone mentions rape, i know it's horrible and the criminal deserves a harsh punishment but when i hear MARITAL rape, it awlays makes me laugh!

[DubiousIntentions]

@TonyMetal___86 I would say that it is indeed possible for a husband to rape his wife under certain circumstances.

[TonyMetal___86]

But how? I can't understand, i mean when a couple are really married, the man ain't a stranger, he have seen his wife naked daily, touched her and made sex with each other countless of times and in the end she is his wife, it's not like someone jumped from the window inside the house and raped the woman...

For example: a married guy covered himself and acted that he's breaking inside his house, caught his wife and acted as if he was going to rape her and the wife was screaming and trying to get away from him with any possible means and when he suddenly uncovered himself, she was like wtf, it's you! She was mad but felt very comfortable knowing that it was just her husband trying to prank her... etc

I don't know if you're getting my point!

Also a wife is supposed to give all herself to her husband and she's always accessible to him, so how can the rape be committed in such situation? 🤔

[Jess_D]

@TonyMetal___86 it’s simple. If there’s no consent then it’s rape! It doesn’t mattter of the guys her husband or not. If someone says no then it means no. So, yes a husband can 100% rape his wife if he forces her to have sex against her will. How that can make you laugh when you hear about it is disturbing to me.

[TonyMetal___86]

@Jess_D consent? What consent are you talking about? Why are they married if she's going to give him a consent? Is he her boyfriend? NOPE!
A husband doesn't needs the consent to have sex with his wife, she already gave him an eternal consent when they gor married and god made them as one!
Where does they sell this consent thing after marriage, cause no one would get married if they are still going to ask for consent or act as if they are 2 strangers...

I don't believe in marital rape, as SIMPLE as that! That's why it makes me laugh unless the husband wasn't a real husband, beats his wife to force her for sex, i mean why would a husband force his wife for sex, since the wife is also available for him unless she was sick or have a good excuse to say no and will make it up for him later!

Don't be disturbed, i'm just not filled with feminism sh*t, i enjoy being a caveman from the stone ages, if that makes you happy 😄

[Jess_D]

@TonyMetal___86 yikes! I feel very, very sorry for any woman unfortunate enough to ever end up with you. You’re disgusting.

[Jess_D]

@TonyMetal___86 yes a husband ABSOLUTELY needs consent in order to have sex with his wife! Putting a ring on someone’s finger does t make them your property.

[Moirine]

@TonyMetal___86 you're saying it as if men who rape women are strangers 👀 to these people. Husbands, boyfriends and "fathers" rape they spouses/kids all the time. It's the fken fact that you think your partner is an object you can use whenever you feel. She's not your property 😒, I don't feel sorry for the woman you're going to marry I just hope you don't find one at all. Fked up sh! t

[DubiousIntentions]

@TonyMetal___86 If she has a migraine, is having a heavy flow, or just is tired from dealing with kids all day, she might just not be wanting sex. Being forced could be construed as rape. Look at the animal kingdom. The females won't have sex unless they were in estrus. If a male lion tried to have sex the a lioness he may get a paw across his face. And he knows she is really the boss of the family and the breadwinner.

[TonyMetal___86]

@dubiousintentions miss dubious i agree with the 1st part that you have said, cause like i said before that a real husband won't force his wife for sex if she was suffering from something and for sure a wife is always available for her husband and would never say no unless in such harsh cases...

About the animal kingdom, keep this aside, we are humans and not animals, in my human kingdom, the man is the breadwinner and the BOSS of the family, at least in my case that's how it will be, but a good boss, not a bad one!

[TonyMetal___86]

@Moirine i do know that these people are able to rape and they are worst from strangers except the husband, why? Because no one has access to your body other than your husband, that's how it should be! A good girl will only have sex with her husband!
Who said that a wife is a property, she does belong to her husband by love and not like an object!

Also you don't need to cuss cause it ain't gonna change a thing...

Also, keep your wishes for yourself, there women who'd love to be with me and their numbers are more than the hair that you have on your head, so spare yourself from the wishes 😄

You don't like my ideology, just express yourself and go!

[TonyMetal___86]

@Jess_D you're ideology belongs only to you and what you find disgusting in me, i find it disgusting in you...

Poor guy who's going to be with you, feeling like a slave and like a baby who always needs a permission to do anything with you, no mediocre would marry you unless he was blinded or have some mental issues, also you're an average looking girl and maybe less, girls like you can be found everywhere and ready to do anything for free, who cares about you or about what you think QUEEN jess 🤣🤣

You don't like my ideology, well you have mentioned yours, now time to move on, you don't like my views than just ignore it instead of being disrespectful and spitting hate over others just because they are different 😏

[TonyMetal___86]

@dubiousintentions by the way miss dubious if you're aiming at something when mentioned that "the lion might get a paw on his face..." well if i get a paw on my face, be sure that i'm not going to turn back and walk away like the lion does, i'll make sure to bring her head with me when i turn back and walk away, sadly i'm not a lion, i fight back anyone who thinks of laying a hand on me (WOMEN included) in case you were sending me some dubious intentions haha

If you're just saying it without any hidden message than it's okay i understand...

[Moirine]

@TonyMetal___86 you're really fked up that's all.

[TonyMetal___86]

@Moirine well thanks, here's your block and that's all 😏

[Jess_D]

@Moirine he’s really a trash human being who wants the right to rape a woman whenever he wants because he put a ring on her finger.

[Hulk_kitty]

No I don't believe the cry wolf victims make it harder for the real victims. The problem is, rape itself is a very crime to prove. Plus many rape victims come out too late, which leaves no evidence to prove it.

Women need to come out more and go straight to the police, if they have been raped, I know its a very thing to do.

I personally there needs to be more support for rape victims.

[Asker]

There should be more support for them, I agree

[Hulk_kitty]

The only reason women cry wolf when it comes to rape, is because they know rape is viewed as a bad crime in society, crimes against women and children are viewed as lowest of low.
They are many other crimes you can falsely accuss person of, like domestic abuse, that doesn't have to be physical. They can also accuse the man of assult without the man do anything to her.

[Hulk_kitty]

False rape claims are just merely to humiliate and shame the person. Nothing worse than been accused of rapest or been called a pedo, nonsense in society.

[Hulk_kitty]

Amber heard is a prime example, she mainly accused Johnny depp, because she was jealous of his success. I also don't believe Johnny was a saint in the relationship. I think he did do some things to her, which we will never know. He was full of drugs and drink, no one who is on drugs and drink will do nothing bad in relationship, it more likely he did do something.

[normalice]

You, ad a man, are more likely to be raped yourself than you are to be falsely accused of rape. And yet you aren't worried about that. The reason why is the media you watch keeps pushing the latter in front of you because they have an ulterior agenda.

[Asker]

I thought of it, I don't watch that on the media, I just know people falsely accuse and I believe your assumption is wrong, i know how to defend myself, I personally have a higher chance of getting accused

[normalice]

It is not an assumption. It is statistical fact.

[Asker]

Maybe with weak men

[normalice]

All men are weak in the grand scheme of things

[Asker]

To a certain point, but like I said, I can take care of myself, even for worst cases I carry a gun and I'm a hypervigilant person, I've prepared all my life for trouble to come looking for me

[normalice]

Right. People only carry guns when they know they are weak.

[Asker]

No it's called self awareness, if you haven't noticed people are out here shooting each other, you seem like you were born to be a victim with that mentality

[normalice]

Right. Self awareness of how weak you are.

[Asker]

Ignorance is a bliss, pathetic smh

[normalice]

I'm not the one pretending I carry a gun around because I'm strong instead of because I fully accept that there are situations I can't handle with my physical capabilities.

[Asker]

You just don't know, you live in a bubble, I grew up surrounded by danger while you were possibly climbing a tree or building sand castles, I don't expect you to understand but this is some excellent self projection tho, nothing more healing than self projecting your insecurities on other huh 😂

[Asker]

You are in your 40s? That's crazy considering the fact your form of therapy is going online and spreading your insecurities, this pointless aggression and use of words you are using gives the vibes that you've been touched as a child, which if So, it's no laughing matter

[normalice]

You're the one who feels like he has to carry a gun around everywhere. I'm not judging. I'm just explaining there is no reason to do that if you are truly confident that you can physically handle any situation. So you clearly have no such confidence. You can make-believe the lack of confidence is actually strength but words have definitions and that ain't it 🤷

[Asker]

I live in a state where everyone carries a gun, it has nothing to do with confidence, it's logical thinking, you wouldn't stand a chance, your confidence can only do so much, y'all boomers are so emotional, it's not that deep, perhaps you'd only carry a gun when you emotionally feel weak but not everyone makes decisions out of emotions child, I make my decisions with logical thinking, they have a gun and I don't, that's an L for me, it's not as deep as you are taking it.

[Asker]

I personally refuse to be a victim no matter the cause, that's as deep as it gets, only you are seeing it as a threat to your manhood

[normalice]

Just saying, it sounds like you are already a victim of fearmongering. That you would be so scared without a gun, whereas the vast majority of "weaker" men get along fine without one, is fine but to then insist that it is strength says someone up the chain knows very well that it isn't.

[Asker]

I think I might have a small case of PTSD but at the end of the day it's precautions, I'm not thinking someone is going to do something every time I leave the house cause I know it's unrealistic thinking but if it ever does, I'll be ready, that's where it will all pay off, does that not make sense?

[normalice]

It does. It is not a strength, though. It is, at best, a crutch. Crutches are strong. The person who needs one is not. That's what they are for.

[Pohjolan]

Nah a man is about as likely to have been raped before the age 18 but after that the statistical risk of being a victim of false rape accusations becomes way higher.

[normalice]

@Pohjolan where do you get that from?

[DecalFong]

Who fucked you in the head?

[Asker]

Don't try to reason with Ignorance peeps

believe what you want, at the end of the day it's your own life on the line, if you can't even protect yourself, your chances of protecting your loved ones are low to none, which only falls back on you, personally I'll be ready, your mind is clouded with emotions and insecurity.

[normalice]

You think you will be. But how will you prepare for when you aren't under threat?

[Asker]

*facepalm*

[normalice]

*shrug*

[DecalFong]

@normalice I live in Canada with concrete gun laws and still keep getting news of shootings un my nearest city. Just got one today.

Besides, we need guns against wildlife.

[normalice]

@decalfong cool

[Pohjolan]

@normalice
Finnish police statistics. Where did YOU get your numbers from?

[normalice]

@Pohjolan US fbi statistics.

[Pohjolan]

@normalice
Let me guess. You just looked at the percentage of overall male rape victims without it being specified at what age they were raped?

[normalice]

@Pohjolan nope. Feel free to guess again.

[JacobJordan]

very much so. a lot of women immediately resort to claiming a man sexually assaulted her if he breaks up with her, rejects her, looks at her wrong etc. as a result rape accusations are having less and less effect. it is the same thing going on with ethnic bias. so many people are immediately going "oh you're discriminating against me because I am (insert ethnicity)" these false claims are massively diluting what is (when it happens) a massive problem

[Asker]

Yep, some boy who cried wolf shit indeed

[EmmaMary]

As a forensic scientist I have on a few occasions had to investigate and analyse some very upsetting and disturbing rape allegations... However on the very rare occasion the rape allegation has been proved to be totally false and fabricated, resulting in successful prosecution.

In these awful cases the real victim is the one accused of these heinous crimes, sometimes having to take the stand in court, and regrettably having their names published.

[purplepoppy]

They also tie up police time and resources. But because the prosecution won't take it as far as court unless there's considerable evidence I think it's reasonable to say a rape did take place if it ever gets that far and at that stage most men who walk free aren't innocent.

[Twalli]

DSK?
Duke Lacrosse?

Those two cases went to court and the accuser was found to have ulterior motives.

[purplepoppy]

I believe more rapists get away with it than innocent men accused.

[Twalli]

Oh, far more. Most rapes aren't even reported. I think the percentage is either 90% or 95% that aren't reported. My sister only reported once, despite it happening to her 4 times. Luckily, or unluckily (depending on how you look at it), they were all stranger rapes.

[AaronKrieger]

Sure, to an extent it does. I do think people are less likely to not believe due to the off chance it actually happened. Overall, it's a hard crime to prove.

As for falsely claiming rape, I do think it would be hard to prove that as well, but there should definitely be a harsh punishment for it. At least if it's proven that the intent was there to lie instead of a misunderstanding or something along those lines.

[AliceM611]

Yes but I also think that a major factor is that rape is a very difficult thing to prove usually at most they can prove that a sex act maybe took place from dna but not if it was consensual so it comes down to her word against his.

[Asker]

What 😂

If it's consensual then it is no longer rape and it's no longer illegal

Usually when it's forced sex there's fighting so I think getting some DNA is the best evidence they can gather.

[AliceM611]

Yeah but you are talking about false allegations, how do you prove it was consensual and legal or non-consenual and ilegal? That's why so few rape convictions are made and why so few false rape allegations convictions are made because there's just not enough evidence to prove it either way.
All dna proves is that sex took place not whether it was consensual. There isn't always fighting, if she says no and you go ahead its rape, whether she fights or not or even if she has an orgasm.

[Asker]

Well yea but they normally always resist, which usually leads to body injuries, which is evidence, but yea it all depends on how things happen, rape is already hard to take to court and these false claims are just making things worse

[AliceM611]

They don't always resist. You got to remember just how much more powerful men are generally than women. Like my man could very easily hold me down and have his way with me whether I fought him or not

[Asker]

Yea but usually struggling leads to injury, even if it's just bruising but I get what you mean

[JacobJordan]

the standard signs doctors look for when examining a rape would be things like vaginal or anal tearing, bruising (in and around the vagina). reason being is non consensual would mean the woman's vagina did not produce any fluid nor did it increase in elasticity. I would like to point out that you did say if SHE says no... do you not think men can be raped?

[AliceM611]

@JacobJordan not always the case

[JacobJordan]

not always the case what? that men can be raped?

[AliceM611]

@JacobJordan a few times I've had sex with my man when he's been drinking or asleep, technically some say that's rape.

[JacobJordan]

well we know people like that aren't right in the head anyways so lets not pretend they might have a coherent thought. no I am asking if a man says no and you go ahead is that not rape?

[desperatelyhungry]

Yes! They ought to have to serve a sentence! You don’t lie about something so horrible and something that can really wreck someone’s career, image and life.

[Asker]

I agree, it also in a way makes it harder for people that are actual victims I think

[Joshydavid25]

I bel it definitely makes people a little more cautious to believe someb, but I highly doubt it's making it harder for actual victims.. Mainly because people still take rape very seriously (mainly in the case of men assaulting women), and people (mainly men) still end up loosing everything if they are even accused.. And then there's hardly any penalty for false accusers.. So they will feel empowered to continue to do so..

[Joshydavid25]

I believe..**

[caitycat21]

No because they are extremely uncommon, the few cases of false accusations are just over represented in the news for outrage bait

[Asker]

Fair enough

[DextroShade]

They absolutely do, and when the self-righteous man-hating feminists in the #metoo movement demanded that we believe all women regardless of evidence or due process they opened the door for deranged women like Amber Heard to utterly discredit their movement and women in general. Now I will not believe a woman's accusations unless they have actual proof or I know her personally.

[Surely]

I understand that for a woman to press charges. That in a court of law. The woman is pretty much raped again during the proceedings.
But on the flip side. The accused Life is prettied much ruined. Even when no rape occurred.
So, hopefully women have higher standards than to falsely accuse men of something that they didn’t do.

[416chick]

Yes.. of course.
Not only that though they also destroy lives. Who ever they are accusing probably will find it impossible to get a job after that.
In my opinion if the woman if found to be lying then she should be charged instead.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think it makes it any more difficult for actual victims who come forward. If anything the false accusations make the victims of those lies go through hell. Sometimes they never truly get their lives back. No matter how much news gets out they are innocent, there is always people talking about how they “know the person really did it.” It’s almost like back in the days of the witch trials, no matter what the person accused is done for.

[Curmudgeon]

YES, they do. And not only that, but proven false accusations of rape deserve jail time, or better yet, that the perp suffer a REAL rape, perhaps from a good behavior inmate.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Rapists wouldn't be able to get away with the "no one will believe you" line if it weren't for false accusers making real victims have a harder time seeming credible.

[Twalli]

Yes, false rape accusations can set the movement back decades, if lucky, generally more.

[Teabaggin]

Yes, people won't believe them after some time if they keep continuing their shenanigans.

[Anonymous]

It's definitely disrespectful to real victims. Women need to stop doing that shit for a bunch of reasons.

[Asker]

Indeed

[captain_voidwalker]

Yes they do, makes it so there is doubt for real victims.

[Worst]

Rape victims already have it the hardest

[Asker]

I agree

[sheikalana]

Absolutely.

[The-Stud]

True , very true

[Sasha0426]

Yes they do.

[jahaims]

Duh.

[Anonymous]

Yes unfortunately