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I like it. Either raise the salary wages or lower the cost of living. Got to have a middle ground and it has to be fair for all.
I HATED and LOVED but mostly hated learning economics. Well- a part of it. The part where we gave a definition called SCARCITY and decided to just work with this and coexist with this PROBLEM.
Supply and demand? Heck NO
We should’ve worked with natural resources and fair distribution. It’s literally so simple.
HOW WILL THIS 20 USD and hour for these workers affect the markets and such? Don’t look at me. I have not a clue. I just think it’s a good risk if it wasn’t the “smart economic move.”
Anything that’s going to help others not live from pay check to pay check and if spending is somehow some issue then, teach kids in school how to budget and grad them 🤷♀️
if it’s saving then stop forcing people to live and endure harsh economic conditions and situations, so that after they receive a little they get SOMETIMES money tight and hold on to their money instead of participating like in stocks or whatever.
Its gotta be fair and this seems like a step towards fairness to me.
If they do the 8 hours and they show up while the inflations goes up, their wages should consequently follow in the same footsteps. Why would they be an exception? Why would they have to keep it below cost of living and all?
Unfortunately economics doesn't go away because you don't like it and we are all bound by inflation and supply and demand whether we like it or not.
Giving fast food workers 20$/hour makes everyone poorer not richer INCLUDING them. So where's the help?
I think nations should consider ways to increase income that don't involve taxing the people so much before deciding to spend money that they don't have effectively increasing the inflation at a faster rate
@ZackBan lol I’m laughing and I still carry the emotions I feel strongly about- the ones that are linked to posed problems faced by humanity and many times avoided and denied as reality.
You do understand they wish to COEXIST with an issue
Like we’re just gonna live with lava next to our home and a volcano or whatever or realize we’re in a zone prone to being hit with asteroids or something, and they expect us to just accept that.
I’m not saying pretend it doesn’t exist. You’re not talking to someone delusional. You seem to mean well, and I think we share this common thread, but I maybe poorly explained my thoughts- I just simply hate living with problems and dangers and being the superior species we are- who have also solved many other issues on the past and over the course of history and human history- we just don’t do anything about it-
In actuality the people who built these/this system are doing exactly what you talk against-
Pretending it doesn’t exist
Because looking at an issue and simply giving a name for it to identify it and then live your life according to it is not exactly solving it it’s pretending it doesn’t have any affect or REALNESS to it.
Like it’s some powerless variable that doesn’t affect us-
When it does.
I don’t know, I just think there’s better ways to solve it and perhaps yeah work with it but actually work with it instead of letting it determine the outcome of other people’s lives.
I say we fix it best we can and actually try that. Actually make the attempt. One that will benefit others and show real results but also real progress, even.
We definitely agree on a lot.
The idea of wanting problems solved instead of labeled and left to hurt is is something I can definitely get behind.
It's just that over and over again life taught me that it's not always that simple. And many times solving a problem creates many other ones so we are left playing judge and jury on what to live with and what not to live with
It's not perfect. And she should try to do better. But sometimes better is just worse in disguise.
no. it is a proven fact that it raises prices for customers and creates unemployment and layoffs. and that is exactly what is happen right now. almost immediately too.
and why is it JUST fast food workers?
Nope. I don't support the concept of minimum wage at all. Companies can choose to pay their workers $20 an hour if they want. That said Florida is currently up to a minimum wage of $12 an hour and it's already cheaper to eat lunch at decent restaurants than at fast food chains. I haven't purchased fast food in probably 10 years due to their sky rocketing prices, but last I head a basic meal at fast food chain restaurants was running roughly $12-15 where I live in comparison a much better meal at a family owned restaurant generally is running $8-10 at the moment for a lunch special. It use to be that you could get fast food meals for like $5-7 which made them a cheaper alternative and you'd compromise on quality when you wanted to save a couple bucks. Now they want you to spend more money for lower quality food. Fast food is already not competitive. If they were to move their minimum wage to $20 an hour they would be even less competitive. It would seem that the general plan is to eliminate fast food jobs by making labor too expensive, thus allowing for the replacement of humans with robot workers. I don't see how demanding higher prices for inferior food and inferior service is a winning business plan. Eventually the majority of people will catch on and go elsewhere.
This article:
https://www. investopedia. com/articles/investing/080515/minimum-wages-can-raise-unemployment. asp#:~:text=However%2C%20according%20to%20leading%20economists, low%2Dwage%20employees%20previously%20performed.
"... according to leading economists—including famed billionaire investor Warren Buffett—minimum wages can actually raise unemployment by giving employers less incentive to hire and more incentive to automate and outsource tasks that low-wage employees previously performed.
Higher mandated minimum wages also force businesses to raise prices to maintain desired profit margins. Higher prices can lead to less business, which means less revenue and, therefore, less money to hire and pay employees."
@Rebecca08 …And what are your qualifications? What you heard on TikTok or CNN? Buffett is a Democrat sweetheart 😆
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@Rebecca08 Then why would Buffett actually support an increase in minimum wage? Please don’t breed.
@Inbox Logically what I said doesn't mean that we should check that billionaires think and do the opposite as they say. I said that quoting a billionaire with his credentials and knowledge is not an intelligent argument, as you know that they only care about their interests. Quote me an expert who is not a billionaire and we can discuss it.
And if you are a boot licker of the billionaire you are the one who should be castrated
@Rebecca08 Such an opinion only comes from people that MATTER. Yes, we should definitely not get the advice from a self made billionaire who has helped millions around the world to achieve wealth, radically revolutionized global markets, still lives in the same house since the 70s, and has promised give almost all his wealth to charity upon death - we should totally ignore him.
Let's also assume that all billionaires are the same and let's assume they're all evil against the little worker, like you, tell me does your mom still spoon feed you?
Yup, let's also speak to an expert who has NOT become a billionaire and understand what kind of lives, fears, interests they have, and so much more. They don't matter.
FYI, when you take on goliath, you need to understand all POVs, but also in life in general if you want an informed decision.
The only boot licker here is your far leftist moronic racist thinking and demonizing everyone who goes against your narrative - it must suck to be one's civic duty to bend over as an ass kisser LMFAO!!!
@Rebecca08 That's why he's a righty, Rebecca08. He's a water boy for the rich, who ridicule him and his fellow Trumpsters (I assume) while they rake in more, more, more and more CAISH from the increasingly harsher labours of the toilers of the U. S. and worldwide.
@handsomelad70 You do realize that Buffett is a DEMOCRAT (I freaking wrote that like two replies ago) and I’m a moderate right? I didn’t vote for Trump or Biden, but hey thanks for assuming again - the left is definitely more educated.
@Rebecca08 And if you believe all you hear on CNN or your new best friend AOC, I suggest you get out and learn how to actually socialize, rather than stay in your TikTok bubble sweetheart. I know you're terrified of hard labor and would rather blame everyone else for your inability to be a success -- I already know there's billionaires who don't pay their fair share, but that doesn't mean all of them are out to get you ---- nor is their POV to be ignored just because they may have self interest in the outcome.
I work with the top 5 - 10% of income earners in this country and I can tell you that just like with everything else, it's a mixed bag. They also pay more taxes then you (unless they're doing tax write offs which I'm sure many are), but they're not waking up every morning trying to find ways to keep the "peasants" down. Just like you and me, they have demons they fight, asshole business partners, crazy family members, etc.
Even if they inherited their massive wealth, they didn't get that wealth for free - their parents or older generations had to trade their products or services for money. Otherwise they worked their asses off or just won the lottery (which is a 1 in 300 million chance).
@Rebecca08 So what do you follow? The glorious world of 3 second videos of TikTok?
@Rebecca08 So you’re already prejudice towards Jews and America? Smart. You’ve never even lived in America, yet you claim to know my country better? Smart.
Comparing Europe to America whose cultures and politics are almost completely different, especially when it comes to taxation? Smart. The highest income earners in the US are Indians by a long shot - very smart.
@Inbox I noticed that you consider rich people better. Like if they are superior, more intelligent and they should patronize the poor. I also noticed that the jew are the richest and that jew news are promoting Israel and their capitalistic system. I just made 2+2
From Italy here. The World doesn't revolve around America
@Rebecca08 Yup, definitely a far leftist - I never said or believe rich people are superior. In fact, I’m always watching my back about the dangers of excess.
I also realized that Mussolini’s followers are apparently still around - you guys lost, get over it lol.
No shit the world doesn’t revolve around America, yet YOU are coming on to an American website whining about billionaires here in the US. If we don’t matter, then why are you complaining?
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I support that law for California because it will lead to the employed part of the population moving elsewhere, diluting California's political power.
Interesting concept. Hadn't really thought about it that way. It will take a heap of dilution, though. I guess TN can always use a few more people. Of course, people there are used to actually W. O. R. K. I. N. G. .
If you believe the only difference between California and the rest of the country is the cost of fast food, you need to schedule an appointment with the ophthalmologist.
@msc545 You left out the part about this:
"How much does it cost to buy a house in California? The median price for a single-family home here is $843,340, according to September 2023 data from the California Association of Realtors (CAR). That's more than double the nationwide median of $394,300."
www.bankrate.com/.../
And the part about crime:
"In truth, California’s violent crime rate is at a ten-year high—and rising. That’s the verdict of both the FBI’s and the Golden State’s own statistics. . . . Applying the states' own trend lines to the 2019 FBI statistics indicates that Florida's violent crime rate in 2022 was 362 violent crimes per 100,000 residents (4.4 percent lower than 2019's rate of 378.2), while California's was 504 (14.1 percent higher than 2019's rate of 442.1)."
www.city-journal.org/.../correcting-newsoms-claims-about-crime
And the tax burden on the average California resident is 10.4% while it is only 6.05% for Florida residents.
www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/.../
So? We have a nice state - expect to pay more to live here. Our property tax rate is fixed at 1%. I bet it is higher in your state. Crime rates are high in certain places - this is a big state. they are mainly high in the Central Valley which is the part that votes Republican. Taxes are high but we actually have some public services and other states are even higher.
@msc545 Yeah right better scenery [shit piss needles in the streets ] lovely to look at and better yet to smell in beautiful summer tent cities all over the place. People abandoning CA by the thousands the Government is trying to block people from moving out of state by charging an exit tax. Yes, you get a first class WOKE education the finest in in the world for being useless for life in the real world. Traffic is getting better with the loss of tens of thousands residents. As for Nancy Pelosi s nephew he has single handedly destroyed the economy of a state billions and billions in debt adding more and more every day and now fast food workers paid $20 an hour and what happened the next day $16 hamburgers $12 frenchfries with a side of hours now cut, jobs lost because owner cannot afford to pay that minimum. And another politician wanting to raise the minimum to $50 an hour. These are all the reasons to move to California NOT!!!
@onedarkcloud You don't live here - I do. You don't know shit about what goes on here - and what doesn't.
@onedarkcloud Do you always come up with such brilliant responses?
@msc545 Then you also won't object if we make comments about your politicians (such as your demented governor) and the high cost of living, tax burden, crime rates, urban areas occupied by homeless people (who are primarily either mentally ill or drug addicted,) and the exodus of individuals and businesses. All of these are documented by the left-leaning MSM.
Just to be consistent.
Absolutely. The people saying no are fools who probably believe in trickle down economics and brainwashed. I for one don’t want to work at a fast food place. I don’t care how “EASY” or “Entry level” of a job it is. The economy as a whole is better off when we have less of a wage gap. Putting all the money at the top of the economy is breaking the way things are supposed to be. 20 an hour is not a lot of money when you consider the costs of everything today. This is where people are going to argue that the inflation was caused by increasing minimum wage. This is a lie. It’s an absolute lie. Don’t be a moron. We have the elites at the top trying to squeeze and control us. When political parties try to fix our economy by taxing the rich more, or increasing minimum wage…. These powerful elites constrict like pythons and do everything in their power to make it seem like it was a mistake. They then blame it on the changes that were made. Trust me, increasing the minimum wage is something these fast food chains can afford. And if we all have to pay a little tiny bit extra for a convenient bad for your health meal just so our economy is a little more balanced…. So be it. People who dedicate 40 hours a week should be paid fairly for their time, Period.
Yes, and for those who think it too high, consider that $20 US hourly is about $50,000 yearly, hardly a princely sum.(In crazy-expensive California,$50,000 a year might get you a luxury carboard box home.)
Well said.
AMEN, Mybeachlifequadruple8!!!
@handsomelad70 Yeah and with that raise you can only buy the hamburger [ $16] and you can't afford the frenchfries [$12] let alone a soda [$5 plus ] and that cardboard house is up there with the houses in Hollywood
Wow... that's terrible and fantastic.
It goes to show how much and how fast we are trashing our currency. Time to change our government and tighten the budget, or else... and that or else... I'm not quite sure how it goes... history of debt crisis are not painfree.
Fantastic for the workers that get to keep their jobs. There were times I worked for myself and didn't make minimum wage, so good for them they can get a guaranteed wage. You will pay for it and if you support this, then don't complain and don't change your behavior, else they likely lose their jobs.
I'm not relevant to support it, who cares.
Look at that price of gold go up... dollar being turned into trash. The voices of those talking "budget" control long ago were not listened to. Trump and right was right to limit expenditures during covid, the left spent too much. Now we have wars and more wars... what's next... natural disasters? You betcha!
It's not even a topic of debate in current government... finances... unbelievable! That is the question that should reallly be asked... financially... what are we doing and how does this play out? Maybe it's intentional and hope the govt has a "good plan" for the end game.
You will be asking next year what we think of $30/hour min wage...
Unfortunately that lead to a lot of people being left without jobs since many restaurants had to close because of that. Only the bigger chains that make enough to pay all their workers are able to stay working. What’s sad is that it’s not only sad for the workers that are being let go, but also the owners who are being left without an income.
If Biden would just stop supporting wars a ding them billions and billions, then our taxes wouldn’t be so darn high and we wouldn’t need for these changes to occur when nobody can afford anything unless you have a super well paying job, and even then many are still struggling.
Biden is the worst.
Especially after sending more billions to Israel the very same day that Israel bombed medical personnel and people going to take food to survivors.
All while emptying our pockets and he fills his. Just gross.
I was never into politics but seeing all this crumble is down, I will never understand the ignorance of those who support democrats.
$20/hr. started out at $15/hr., which they said would "fix everything." Before that it was $7.55.
$20/hr. means the assistant manager has to make $25/hr., and the manager has to make $30/hr., and so on, all the way up through all the middle management and vice-presidents of the company.
A cheeseburger goes from $1 to $3.50. A gallon of milk goes from $1.49 to $5.90. and on and on, until the $20/hr. person is complaining again that they now need $25/hr. and $30/hr. to be able to afford to live, which raises the price of the cheeseburger and the milk and everything else, and the $30/hr. person is complaining again.
In the meantime, employers are getting rid of employees with more and more robots and AI, giving more and more $20/hr. people no income, instead of an income that matches their skills.
You only need a minimum wage if you have not bothered to get education, experience and skills. If you have those, you can ask for any salary anyone is willing to pay for abilities, or start your own business and make as much money as you want.
I agreed with everything. I think the bothering for education is a bit vague and not defined in your statement, but I will just say I know of some who couldn’t bother with it for the mere reason the things they need to live were not affordable or obtainable to them so they could self maintain while simultaneously learning and accumulating those new skills.
This will only drive up unemployment because businesses will not be able to afford to pay workers. It will force businesses of use more automation to save money. It also only pushes up inflation higher because businesses will be forced to increase their prices so they are at least profitable.
Most of these jobs are not meant to be permanent anyway. If you are able bodied body person and have no legitimate disabilities (mental or physical) and are still working the same low paying job for 20 years that is a YOU problem.
They can afford it they just don't want to be less rich if that means helping others be able to afford rent.
Even if*
@Friendlybro79 go ahead and say that and watch lots of small businesses fold because of this stupid idea. Not every food business is major corporation or chain.
And not every company falls under this min wage.
"The minimum wage law that took effect Monday guarantees at least $20-per-hour for workers at fast food restaurant chains with at least 60 locations nationwide. That doesn’t include school food service workers, historically some of the lowest-paid workers in public education."
@Friendlybro79 what good is it to make $20 an hour when inflation erodes the purchasing power of your money? Business are going to pass off these costs to the consumers including people making this low wage.
My real earnings have plunged by 13% ever since Biden took office thanks to Bideninflation. This is only going to get exponentially worse in states like California.
How is maintaining low wages helping? It's not. Corporate greed is the problem not low paid workers.
@Friendlybro79 so you really believe this all just “corporate greed”? This is actually going to HELP “corporate greed” and I will explain how:
- Corporations have the money to invest in automation. It’s been happening for a while at grocery stores. Why pay a cashier $20 an hour when you can get an automated cashier.
- Small businesses will fold giving fewer options to the consumer and will only increase market shares of corporations who have the capital to stay profitable.
- Corporations will increase their prices and giving their branding power people will eat it. They also will look to cut corners on the supplies and ingredientes these use in food to save money.
Also these entry level jobs are now going to get more competitive and is going up unemployment. These are supposed to be entry level jobs.
I worked plenty of low paying bitch jobs when I was in high school and college. They were never meant to be permanent.
After what the democrats have done to inflation and the economy in the last 3 years I would think people would start waking up to stupid ideas like this. But I guess not.
Ok you're changing the subject and blaming democrats lol. Yes it is corporate greed. Look at how exponential corporate profit and CEO pay is up over the past 50 years and how wages are down. Look at how worker productivity is higher than ever and wages are down.
Yes it's corporate greed. Let em use AI to replace millions of jobs leading no one able to afford their shitty burgers lol.
AI will replace jobs no matter how high or low pay is. Corporate greed means fuck humans, unless you're a shareholder because they're only beholdent to them. Laws need to change and if government doesn't step in to regulate AI, mass unemployment will happen and democrats and republicans will be to blame because they're all owned by corporate donors. Corporations run this country and that needs to stop. They need to be checked a little.
Inflation is also created when greedy billionaires need more billions because the existing billions they have aren't enough.
Meaning they raise the prices of their products because it's never enough. Gotta show growth right. So you gotta keep raising the price ofnthe goods and never give wages to the people making the product.
@Friendlybro79 “ Inflation is also created when greedy billionaires need more billions because the existing billions they have aren't enough.”
Someone fell asleep in economics class many years ago. Really.
When a company raises prices just because they want to that is inflation... you do understand that right. The price literally inflated. They can cause inflation just because they want more profit you do understand that right? Inflation isn't caused only by giving a raise to someone. I didn't sleep through anything but you're delusional if you think poor people are the problem.
Inflation can happen other ways as well but when a supermarket decides to keep egg prices higher even after a broken supply chain replenishes that greed for more profit, just because they can, is also inflation.
Keep rooting for billionaires to be trillionaires.. it has to trickle down then right? Lol.
@Friendlybro79 The loopholes were added to help the Govenor's friends not the people who really work for a living
@onedarkcloud What's the alternative? Not everyone is going to be or can be a doctor or a master in their trade. Maybe we should just lower everyone's wages because the poor corporations right? I forget how many people think they're the only ones who are talented enough, deserving enough, and hard working. When you open a business and need to employ someone because you can't solely run your business alone, you have an obligation to allow the employees that able you to profit to be able to survive too. Otherwise what's the point? Minimal wages should allow for minimal living. Meaning at least enough to pay rent, travel to work, feed yourself with healthcare. We're not animals.
Too many think that if people can just get by that means people won't want to work harder so they can move into better jobs that provide more than minimal standards.
I don't sympathize with rich corporations over poor employees that help corporations become rich.
Look at the top left of that article labled OPINION. Also, does the article call out of the increase in price is just enough to break even or did the fast food chain do what all businesses do, profit even more.
I read the whole article and it's just corporate media at its best. Defending corporations and they don't share any data to show how much more they're using the wage increase to just profit more. Also I don't care if a burger at a fast food joint has to go up to pay for a wage increase when we're always ok with any other reason for price hikes.
Does the data show how much the price has to increase just to maintain their profits? No it doesn't. Here's an ex with fake numbers to make my point. Say the wage Increase is calculated to need an increase of 75 cents per transaction but they raise it 1.50 and cry how it's hurting them and... poor corporation. They use any excuse to raise prices to raise profit. They blame the worker so they can gouge the customer. They can absorb the wage increase. Why is it that they can profit more and not employees?
Be pro corporation if you want. Small businesses can't compete because big corporations are their enemies not their employees needing enough to pay rent.
@Friendlybro79 QUIT f*cking labeling me “pro corporation”. What’s going on in our society is corporatism i. e. corporations work hand in glove with the government to exchange favors. The government can force DEI brainwashing, forced vaccinations, freedom of speech limitations via cancel culture threats, etc. The corporations can get special government favors. Gavin Newsom put in exemptions to corporations that were political donors. fortune.com/.../
This is going to crush small businesses and the local economy. But naive people such as yourself just read “oh that $20 an hour minimum wage” and say to yourself “this is great we are sticking it the corporations!”
Mark my words a few months to a few years from now this will do MUCH more harm then good. And it the evil “corporations” will come ahead. The workers will be left behind.
I'll say it again. Copy and paste from above
And not every company falls under this min wage.
"The minimum wage law that took effect Monday guarantees at least $20-per-hour for workers at fast food restaurant chains with at least 60 locations nationwide. That doesn’t include school food service workers, historically some of the lowest-paid workers in public education."
Also, I hate to break this to you but not every small business can survive. You shouldn't be in business if you can't afford to pay an employee. You can thank big corporations (think Walmart ) for shutting down small businesses. Seems we agree corporations are the problem at least.
If a small business thriving is more important than it's employees thriving, and you're ok with a person not getting by unable to survive, then why should anyone care if the business can exist?
Or maybe just stop being greedy and stop lying when a MacDonalds says they can't afford it. We're talking about fast food chains not a mom and pop stationary store that probably shouldn't have opened up in the first place because it's a terrible idea in 2024.
I agree with corporate politicians being the problem but it's on the left and right and it needs to stop. They turn us all against each other to deflect that it's their fault. You have to understand people need raises to live now. People will either pay more for their crappy burger or not. They're raising the prices more than they need for and are doing better off for the 20 min wage.
Also, prices have been going up regardless of the lack of growth everywhere else in min wage. If we want to live in a capitalistic society then not every business small or large will survive.
If you want to keep wages low so shitty companies can survive guess what? They're still going to blame price increases on something else. Wages need to increase. Small businesses sorry. Part of starting a business is that someone else might do it better than you.
My point is how everyone treats an avg employee... I just reversed it. We treat the people that help the business thrive as all replaceable, less than human, and should be lucky to get any scraps thrown at them. We easily accept a company can hire someone better and cheaper or you can tolerate crappy wages forever or be laid off. Why can't we the people that keep their profits flowing say the same thing about their business? Listen the person investing in a successful business should make more but we need to treat humans as humans and recognize there has to be a better balance between sharing the wealth with your employees.
Jobs that take a lot of skill nowadays pay like shit too compared to living costs and these are from billion and now trillion dollar companies and it's we're all being hoodwinked into we should just be thankful to have a job.
So I don't care about min wage because min wage is shit even at 20 an hour. Owners can sacrifice too or go out of business. I'm ok with that if anyone expects me to be homeless because they want me to work for them for less than minimal living standards require.
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But who's surprised at this point.
I don't have the energy to write out the entire economics 101 course here but basically:
This move is asking middle class restaurant owners to pay their lower class workers more money.
Making the middle class poorer and the lower class slightly richer but still poor.
This means less purchasing power which leads to less purchasing altogether.
Lowering the demand with the same supply means the cost of things will go up making it MORE expensive for more people to buy it which will make it go up again.
So Ultimately: giving workers 20$/hour makes them poorer not richer and it hurts everyone else.
People who support these high minimum wages are usually from high cost of living locations. Apparently they think the minimum wage where an apartment is $500 a month should be the same as where it's $2000 a month.
If you raise wages so people can afford to pay more rent, what is going to happen? Rent will go up. The only way an area can have high rent is if people are willing and able to pay it. It's the same as buying a house, where house prices reflect what people are willing and able to afford.
no, it's not a $20/hr job.
So then what happens to the people that were getting 20/hr that have skills, now their pay has to go up to 25/hr.
And the person that was getting 25/hr that have even more job skills than the person that is now getting paid the same as they are, so now their pay has to increase and right on down the line.
The end result is that everything costs more because of all of the increased labor costs, so then the fast-food worker that is now making 20/hr still can't get ahead because the cost of living has risen so much, and in some cases, they are even further behind than they were before.
That does not count the layoffs, businesses closing, increased automation to help lower the cost of doing business.
Very few people will tolerate paying 20 bucks for a big mac meal.
So then what happens to all of those 20/hr jobs?
Respect finally someone who thinks ahead and lays it out for all to see. I said the same thing here 6 month ago but all I got was that I did not know what I was talking about, and I was wrong etc. etc. etc.. The I am looking forward to reading more from you about the failure of our government.
@onedarkcloud vote pandering at it's finest!
Just looking for both sides. That is something that is rare today getting all the information from all sources. . Vote pandering nah looking for different point of view yeah. From people that may have better and different information sources. Sorry you think of it as vote pandering.
minimum wages are complete economical bullshit. the problem is that minimum workers often do not have the capacity to understand but while the ammount of money they have in their acount, minimum wages still fuck them over cause it creates inflation that causes them to be able to buy less after all.
inflation disproportionally effects the poor and minimum wages are a terrible tool to fool low income strata into giving you the vote cause they think you're helping them while you're actively making things worse for them.
and not only do you fuck over the people who got less. you also fuck over people who got more than minimum wage, cause companies will be incentivised not to pay more than what's minimum cause they don't really have to compete with wage anymore.
@Koneko911 if you increase the ammount of money in an economy, you decrease it's value. if supply is high, demand and therefore value goes down. that's the absolute basics of economics. i'm by no means an expert but every buffoon should understand this and not be happy with "stimulus checks" or "minimum wages". unless of course they are rich and like to fuck up the poor xD
to ironically if the poor people in a country are unhappy, the rich people will be too. it bites their own ass so i guess they're dumb too
I am a conservative but yes, I support it. 10 years ago I would have said no but it has been ridiculous as far as inflation forced in us by the Fed and Biden.
Just note that many low wage people will lose their jobs and when they want products or services that those will be more expensive as well. Small businesses will pay the price as well and Mom and Pop stores and restaurants will go out of business.
Much of this stems from the massive fraud and bungled PPP payments and Covid payments They spent $2 Trillion and printed the money electronically by adding some digits in a computer. They added 40% more money to the economy by just “printing” it. That means a 40% increase in many things including Social Security payments and higher costs for the country to borrow money as we take on unprecedented amounts of debt. Voting democrat will hurt the poor every time. Vote for jobs instead which means Republican.
Why can't you understand that artificially raising wages results in both higher unemployment AND a big surge in inflation - because that is EXACTLY what actually happened, and what always happens.
The news has been reporting 50-60,000 jobs being eliminated in just the last 2 weeks, thousands of businesses that have closed, and a spike in food prices. The people who kept their jobs aren't in any better financial position because of the spike in inflation, but lots of people are now without a job and with no prospects of being able to replace it, as hiring is reduced and fewer businesses exist. And this happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. Raising the minimum wage has NEVER, EVER resulted in a net positive for workers.
BUT... it encourages more businesses to automate or off-shore work. So, now, we have more fast-food kiosks, more food robots, and now we even have off-shore cashiers - and these trends will only continue. Workers NEVER benefit! Not EVER.
The fact is that minimum wage jobs were NEVER intended to be careers - they are STARTER jobs for teens and others who have never worked before, so they can learn how to be a worker and how to do a job, so that they can eventually find a better job with higher pay and higher skill requirements somewhere else, and move up the ladder. Raising the minimum wage just cuts off the bottom rungs of the ladder, eliminating jobs in the process.
@MrOracle Some years ago, even 2 years ago, I would have agreed with you. But now inflation has crushed those in minimum wage and that’s unfair and unsustainable. Yes, it feeds the cycle. But now automation will keep labor costs down. Inefficient restaurants and stores will also be put out but that happens and some can come back later when a new model for running those stores and restaurants. Right now it has to go up in California and that’s that.
Automation means NO JOBS FOR PEOPLE. One robot replaces 4 full-time jobs.
Right now, the mainstream news and YouTube are FULL of interviews of people who supported the minimum wage increase, and are now out of work. ALL of them would rather have their job back at $15 than be unemployed, but unemployed with no prospects is exactly where they are. How are they better off? They're more fucked than ever, because not only are they unemployed, they STILL have to face the now HIGHER inflation, because prices just went up across the board AGAIN. The people who still have a job are right back where they started in relative terms (because of that overnight inflation), and the unemployed (as well as the business owners that had to shut down) are all much WORSE off. Where is the improvement? Where?
If people are struggling then pack your shit and leave. I want great weather all year round as well but I am not going to go there and then complain. You can't live on 20 an hour in California anyway so who cares. If the place has 45 workers it will now have 20 or the burger will be 10 bucks.
It depends on where in California, not all of California is outrageously expensive.
@Kingofkings1992 I am sure there are a few areas that are not but when people think of Cali they think of LA San Fran and San Diego. All expensive.
@Kingofkings1992 True.
I do believe the minimum wage should I be increased but a fast food job was never intended to be a career, at the entry level. Locally, the day after the minimum wage increased the prices on EVERYTHING adjusted from milk, to gas, to the actual menu board prices at our local burger spot.
They increase the minimum wage.
They also increase the price on their product to cover that increase in operating costs. The very same employee who benefits also pays more.
Its obvious YES.. And hopefully a living wage , or at least half reasonable , you can rid yourselves of the ludicrous tipping system in the USA , where you get this bs in one place and not another..
A little common sense hopefully at last..
It is expensive to live in California. National fast food corporations make a ton of money here and up until now shared comparatively little of it with their workers - not really enough to furnish them with a place to live, food to eat, and clothing. NOW they have to pay more, and that is a good thing.
I don't give a damn if their profits decrease, or if they go out of business. They were exploiting people. If prices go up, then they do. I have no sympathy for predatory capitalism.
I honestly am not sure what I think about this. I always support the people in customer service, especially food workers. But there are others like cashiers and custodians who need better pay as well. Are we going to give then $20 an hour too? They have to deal with hard, messy, or unpleasant things on their jobs too.
This is one way California deals with illegal aliens, price them and similarly low skilled Americans out of the job and area.
You have to wonder how many of the people already inclination break the law are inclined to also work for less simply to get a job.
Only in California? What about the other states? And what took you people so long to implement something that most of the rest of the world has had for ages now?
To those who are opposed to the idea of a minimum wage, I would ask them if they could live on just $20 an hour or less, or if they'd accept a job that pays so little.
@siri137 The rest of the world? China pays their workers pennies an hour. The big corporations have put up suicide nets to prevent their workers from killing themselves. India is maybe a little bit better and don't even think about Africa. Why do you think that whole industries have been shipped overseas. ?
@exitseven Well, I DID say "most of the rest of the world". Most. China is one of the exceptions. Yes, and North Korea too.
@exitseven In Australia they actually get more than that to fry burgers.
@exitseven I don't know, I never buy them. But I can say this; don't move here unless you're filthy rich, a millionaire, because EVERYTHING is horrendously expensive.
It's literally just farming voters from the uneducated (economically) who are generally the poor and they make up the majority of people in most societies.
They will fire people they will increase costs not just immediately but slowly and consistently until $20 is the new $15. It's all so predictable
And I respect that. The only thing I could contribute to it would be since of my new belief, I’d remark:
If that were an option, I’d agree that as the best way also.
Since, otherwise, well…
This is why I can’t share much on EVERYTHING. I’m sure this could be “nothing new” to some, and to others, truly unneeded. Just my thoughts. Even I shall forget them as the day goes on 😂
I don't know how that compares with other more skilled jobs so it's hard to give an answer. But I do believe people should be paid a fair wage for the hours they work that actually allows they to pay their way in life.
If a company pays you minimum wage, they're saying "we'd pay you less if we were allowed to"
🚨 woaaaaaa ⚠️
You literally spilled their teaaa 🫖
I have to remember that because it was just so spot on.
Like why the minimum?
Are they doing minimal work?
It’s still 8 hours
It’s still a service
It’s still work something they apply for interview for wear uniform in, and a facility where they follow guidelines.
It’s STILL labor.
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Seriously @purplepoppy what you said was so spot on. It’s just a big discredit, disrespect, and lack of care or understanding for what they have to balance with what they’ve got.
And that’s why you see the common people dishing out quotes like:
Playing the cards you’re dealt.
It’s incredulous 👀🤷♀️😬
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