Kind of funny how nobody says this kind of thing when Arab countries or African countries kill each other. It's only when the Jews start to defend themselves that people have a problem with it and then people buy the jihadi terrorist'd numbers on the fatalities when they never would trust jihadi terrorists to keep track of fucking shit before.
These jihadi terrorists have a track record of lying and I have already proven to you that they have lied. Hamas count 19 year olds as children, they don't count deaths from their own explosion, they don't distinguish between civilians and combatants, etc. These are desert tribals who don't even let women have rights.. their leadership has openly said they don't want Israel to exist and they are going to kill Jews but you're going to trust their numbers over Israel's?
On an international scale there is a double standard between Jews and everybody else. Israel is already the most moral army on Earth because they warn civilians while ahead of time before bombing areas. Nobody else does that in modern warfare.
Meanwhile Hamas uses civilians as human shield but we have these fucking idiots in college campuses who cheer for Palestine even though as a country is not recognized by the USA and they would kill most of those college kids if they tried to integrate into their culture.
The Jews have been doing nothing but trying to survive from day one. They even took every single Jew out of the Gaza Strip and that was not good enough.
That's what I'm talking about, false equivalency. Hitler killed 9 million people or more in 3 years. Stalin took 15 years for his death toll and it was not a systematic genocide.
It's still a false equivalency to the Holocaust and cheapens the Holocaust to compare the two as if they are equal. It is called the double genocide theory and among historians it is considered anti-Semitic.
"IN NO OTHER GENOCIDE did a mighty state put its government’s resources to work to murder every child, woman, and man of a designated ethnic group, far from its own borders, with no “baptismal” (or other recanting) option for a victim to be spared, and with zero provocation from the victims beyond their being living humans of the group slated for extermination."
"According to Michael Shafir, the double genocide theory is at worst Holocaust obfuscation.[14] Political scientist Clemens Heni [de] sees it as a form of Holocaust trivialization.[15] Historian Alexander Karn writes that the idea of double genocide "hinge[s] upon the erasure of Lithuanian participation in the Holocaust".[16] Ethnologist Carole Lemée sees it as a symptom of persistent antisemitism.[17]
American Yiddish scholar Dovid Katz describes double genocide theory as a form of Holocaust revisionism, whose debate is prompted by a "movement in Europe that believes the crimes—morally, ethically—of Nazism and Communism are absolutely equal, and that those of us who don't think they're absolutely equal, are perhaps soft on Communism."[18] According to Katz, the double genocide theory is "a relatively recent initiative (though rooted in older apologetics regarding the Holocaust) that seeks to create a moral equivalence between Soviet atrocities committed against the Baltic region and the Holocaust in European history."[18] Katz further writes that "the debate has garnered political traction/currency since the Baltic states joined the European Union in 2004. Since joining the EU, the Baltic states have attempted to downplay their nations' massive collaboration with the Nazis and to enlist the West in revising history in the direction of Double Genocide thinking."[18] Katz recommends that "states in the region honor the victims of Communism and expose the evils of Communism as unique issues, 'without the equals-sign'."[18]
"Black Ribbon Day is also known as the Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism. But this veneer of humanistic solicitude is a facade for historical distortion and antisemitic rhetoric, perpetuated by far-right movements across Eastern Europe."
"Ironically, historical revisionism and distortion was a hallmark of the Stalinist era. Yet it is the ostensibly free, liberal, and democratic former Soviet republics and client states that have aggressively pushed such distortion in the post-Soviet era.
“One of the most notorious European Parliament documents was the Prague Declaration of 2008, which called for all of Europe and the world to overhaul textbooks to ensure that Nazi and Soviet crimes be ‘equal by law,’” says Katz. “It’s Orwellian.”
“By way of disguising far-right activity as mainstream, Eastern European revisionism has made its way into North America, not least by the virtually un-debated, under-the-radar, sneaking in of Black Ribbon Day into some kind of formal status in Canada and the United States,” says Katz."
"What DOES cancel out is putting one above another. Holocaust isn’t worst than Stalinism, Stalinism isn’t worse than Holocaust. Get it?"
I disagree. The Holocaust was the worst genocide. 95% of Jews in the region dead, 6 million in 3 years. Unprecedented, never outdone. It's a unique, particularly horrifying genocide.
Placing metrics making one more important than the other is why you never heard of a lot of Stalinist shit. Both can be very very bad and not compete for baddest.
Let me ask you this: which serial killer is worse? Both have similar body counts. First one killed his victims quickly to “do” things with the corpses. Second tortured his victims for hours, if not days, getting off until they eventually died.
Being against Marx doesn’t mean you went to a good school. It just means you’re making general assumptions and are easily manipulated by propaganda. Israeli lobby does push ultimate antisemitism if you criticize them. Also prob behind your double genocide theory.
Now answer my serial killer q. Which is worse 1 or 2?
It usually requires an overpowering third party's intervention to ensure accountability is dealt out equally to both sides. Unless there is some major peace agreement between the US and Iran I don't see that happening.
Indeed. Although, at any point the side in the position of power can also decide to deal out accountability to both sides, but that pretty much never happens as the road that power always leaves a lot to be accountable for in its wake.
Yeah. I don't know what's up with our entanglements with Israel but we have to work on it. In the united states you can get away with more in criticizing the president of the United states than the leader of Israel, and its not even close. You can get fired from some jobs for criticizing Israel, 1st ammendment be dammed.
you bring this quote about gaza but not towards the #palestinian who started this round of battles. that is who you should be discouraging, don't attack israel. period.
Palestine didn’t. Half of Palestine are children. Hamas started the war. If I were Netanyahu- I wouldn’t have allowed them to fcking invade invade the first place #sleepatthewheel#bushcrimes)
But I would send in mossad and take out Hamas like we did to alquaeda before the war.
I don’t believe in “evil”. Every terrible thing human beings have done can be explained by greed and mental illness. Some might even say levels of greed that compel people to do terrible things is a mental illness. To your point, violence stopped Hitler, sure. But it wasn’t justice. It was vengeance. We conflate the two because we presume that “the punishment should fit the crime” actually means “an eye for an eye”. Did you know that is from the Christian bible? It’s interesting to me how many secular groups and atheist individuals subscribe wholly to a concept made popular by the faithful, all the while bashing pretty much everything else they believe to bits. Ell oh ell!
Violence only begets more violence? false learn some history... how did japan war end, in 1945, and german war in 1945 too! korean war end in 1950s. egypt wars in 1973 and 1967 too! fighting back leads to surrender. about gaza, until israel gets back its hostages and Qatar hands over the leaders of hamas known n recognized as terrorists! israel can't stop. israel did pull some tanks out of gaza but needs a presence to interfere with terrorists firing rockets into israel.
@strateguy632 we ended violence, ended the cycle. Not saying it’s absolute that violence begets violcence or it’s never needed, but it it’s a good guideline.
you think skin color and religion is the cause of hate? i'm hispanic and grew up catholic (no more). i look somewhat white. so skin color and religion isn't an issue. i'd probably get raped double in prison.
there's a serious religion problem in the mideast. we can all agree on that. so why?
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