Any bets on how soon Hamas will reject this peace deal?

[Juxtapose]

I bet it happens in 2 weeks.

"Hamas has before it a proposal that is extraordinarily, extraordinarily generous on the part of Israel," Blinken said at a meeting of the World Economic Forum in the Saudi capital Riyadh."

"The only thing standing between the people of Gaza and a ceasefire is Hamas. They have to decide and they have to decide quickly," he said. "I'm hopeful that they will make the right decision."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-secretary-state-antony-blinken-arrives-saudi-arabia-2024-04-29/

I keep telling you people, the people to blame for this is Hamas.

[TommyMountainFigure]

I think Israel made a mistake yet again. These long drawn out battles will clear some of the rubbish yes, but they're constantly being seen as the bad guys!

I mean 1200 people brutally slain like animals, and people STILL think Israel are at fault for retaliating.

What they should have done, was trail the evidence back to iran following 7th October, and hit them PROPERLY in one fail swoop, because once they stop giving hamas, hezbollox and the hooters money to do their dirty work, these viscous attacks would stop, or at least be reduced.

[Juxtapose]

^^ this 💯

[TommyMountainFigure]

Thank you for the MHO

[strateguy632]

you forgot about the HOSTAGES jews abducted by palestinian.
"long drawn out battles" were to search for hostages not "clear some of the rubbish".
not "seen as the bad guys" but falsely accused of genocide by accusers.

[Avicenna]

Hamas will slow roll it before officially rejecting it, hoping that pressure mounts on Israel not to clean them out of Rafah. Hamas also doesn't want to admit how many hostages it killed in captivity (a war crime).

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Yesh, give them 2-3 weeks

[Flatmanlewis]

HamAss doesn’t want peace. They want this war to expand and the destruction of Israel. Nothing else. The ONLY reason they may play along with this is for the deception of regrouping and reassessing their abilities in the wake of an ass-kicking of biblical proportions the likes of which they never truly anticipated. They thought the Arab world was going to turn on Israel a lot faster, and with more commitment, than it did.

[strateguy632]

exacly any cease fire is temporary because hammas plan is to erase israel, not peace.

[Lliam]

What "peace deal"? Israel will stop killing hundreds of women and children a day and allow them to have food and water if they stop complaining about being subjugated and behave like grateful prisoners?

Israel will never, EVER allow an independent Palestinian state.

This so-called peace deal is all for show. And Blinken is Israel's bitch.

[Juxtapose]

Israel took every Jew out of the Gaza Strip and that was not good enough. They only invaded after October 7th.

Maybe act less like savages and leave the Jews alone?

[Juxtapose]

Also Palestine is not a country recognized by the United States.

[Lliam]

Israel took every Jewish settlement out of Gaza to make it look to the world like they were being reasonable. But, in reality, it made it easier to turn Gaza into an open air prison and bomb the shit out of it ("mow the lawn" as Israel calls it) whenever it felt like it.
Israel has NEVER made any ingenuous concessions where the indigenous people were concerned.

It's interesting how the U. S. has vetoed any plan to allow an independent Palestinian state. The Balfour declaration and the UN created an Israeli state that took up "part" of Palestine.
Israel was determined to take it all.
The U. S. government is immoral. It is bought and paid for by Zionist money.

It's too bad that you refuse to read actual history books.

[Juxtapose]

It is not an open-air prison.

"The Israeli government prevents people from entering Israel. The Egyptian government prevents people from entering Egypt.

What’s left is the Mediterranean. I have heard over the years that the Israeli Navy patrols the sea to prevent people from leaving Gaza by sea. But when I go on the web to confirm that, I can’t. All I can find is that the Israeli government has tight restrictions on the area of the sea in which people from Gaza can fish and also harsh restrictions on flotillas taking goods into Gaza. But I can’t find any evidence that the government prevents them from leaving. And a friend who was in the Israeli Defense Force tells me that he has never heard that the Navy prevented people from leaving.

That would seem to suggest that Gaza is not an open-air prison."

www.econlib.org/is-gaza-an-open-air-prison/

There was no Palestine before israel. Palestine is literally just a proxy state used by Iran to terrorize the Jewish people and exterminate Israel. There is nothing uniting those people besides their hatred of Israel. The United States does not recognize Palestine as a country.

Oh god, here we go with the anti-semitic conspiracy nonsense.

[Juxtapose]

If you want to learn about what Hamas is really about, read their charter and the words by their leadership. Look at what the son of Hamas has to say about them after he was in their organization for 40 years. He could even tell you what they did to their fellow Hamas fighters in prison or how they offer a bounties to Palestinians to kill Jews.

[Lliam]

Again. Read a book.

[Juxtapose]

I already consulted a historian who explicitly told me that this is a controversial issue without a consensus among accredited historians. You are not the beholder of truth anymore than I am.

[Juxtapose]

You won't even look at what the son of Hamas has said about the organization, as if you would know better than someone who spent 40 years in that organization and was a son to one of the founders LOL.

[Juxtapose]

Why? Because you read a few books in the safety of your home? Instead of seeing this stuff for yourself? Give me a break.

[Lliam]

At least I can read.

Poor Israelis. "They hate us because we are Jewish" 😭😭😭(fake crocodile tears while they laugh at people's gullibility).
Go ahead and worship the blood soaked Satanists and their brainwashed minions. Religious Jews and even holocaust survivors condemn Israel and Zionism.

Now fuck off or I'm going to block your ass forever and forget that you exist. I'm sick of your willfully deaf and blind ignorance on this issue and your glorification of the most heinous war criminals in modern history. If I didn't know better, I would think you are a monster without a soul, conscience or humanity.

So, do you hear me, Juxtapose? Fuck the fuck off. Don't fucking talk to me about this shit any more!

[strateguy632]

only fools think hammas wants peace... their charter is published... hammas WANTS to destroy israel from sea to river.

all the pacifists whining about ugly war n victims need to stop putting: "peace before truth" or peace only goal. truth is priority importance.

beauty contests say peace emphasis meant don't shoot back at terrorist. but truth is before peace! peace isn't the only issue.

[exitseven]

I do not know the details about this cease fire but Hamas wants all Jews exterminated and will not settle for less.

[Unit1]

My uninformed opinion - They'll likely do something similar to what happened to the Wagner Group Founder (Prigozhin) as soon as he called off the coup detat in Moscow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_rebellion

[OddBeMe]

Wonder if Palestinians could accept it against their elected aholes. Seeing what they got them into.

[Juxtapose]

The innocent Palestinians are caught in a really bad place right now and a lot of their fellows are making them look really bad by taking bounties to kill Jews, the bounties given to them by Hamas.

[OddBeMe]

I hope that’s not true. But as I try to keep reminding people half of Gazans are children.

[Juxtapose]

www.google.com/search

[Juxtapose]

www.bloomberg.com/.../the-palestinian-incentive-program-for-killing-jews

[OddBeMe]

Ok…nearly ten years ago. And here US Marshals are targeted by the Gangster Disciples. Thank god guns aren’t everywhere in Gaza.

[Juxtapose]

We are not talking about low life gangsters, we are talking about jihadi terrorists who are attempting to start another genocide.

These savages would literally kill me if I was openly bisexual while existing in their territory. Is it really a surprise that they give out rewards for killing Jews even to this day?

[OddBeMe]

Don’t think you’d fare better with gangster diciples.

[Juxtapose]

You are wrong, I have dealt with people who would blow your mind and make your head spin.

But yeah, Hamas is wrong and Israel is right. Israel does everything it can to protect citizens and people who say otherwise are buying into Hamas propaganda and Hamas produce statistics. Hamas counts people up to 19 as children and does not distinguished between combatants and civilians. A. k. a, 19-year-old men they scoop up into their forces are counted as children killed.

[OddBeMe]

And the Gazans?

[Juxtapose]

Death to all the ones that support Hamas and may the other ones have a swift journey out of that hell hole.

[OddBeMe]

How about death to all those who supported the Guatemalan genocide? Funded Iran’s dictatorial shah? Genocides the native Americans and enslaved 4 million Africans for hundreds of years? Death too?

[Juxtapose]

I don't see what that has to do with the current topic. Seems like a way to drive the topic away to something else.

I would have to look into each and every single one of those to make sure it's not some type of sjw narrative and I don't really feel like doing that right now. I feel like focusing on the original topic.

[Juxtapose]

It feels like whenever someone wants to defend the Jews, someone else has to be brought up to bring attention away from the Jews. I don't give a fuck right now about the native Americans or the transatlantic slave trade. That's old fucking history dude. What's next? Going to bring up how Stalin starved out Ukrainians? Or some of the genocides in Rwanda? How many genocides are we going to mention to divert attention away from the Jews?

[OddBeMe]

No I ask for justice. And you have blind obedience. Demanding death for hundreds of thousands of Gazan children who have nothing to do with Israel.

[Juxtapose]

Ugh, again? Really with these lies? Israel is not doing that.

"Hamas counts people up to 19 as children and does not distinguished between combatants and civilians. A. k. a, 19-year-old men they scoop up into their forces are counted as children killed."

[OddBeMe]

2022 Gaza estimates 2,375,259 total people.
UNICEF says 1.1 million are children, based off their regs: under 18.
www.unicef.org/.../gaza-has-become-graveyard-thousands-children

25% of children under 5 suffer acute malnutrition…. fyi.

[Juxtapose]

Where did they get those numbers from? The numbers that the UN uses are provided by Hamas and are completely untrustworthy.

[OddBeMe]

You fucks keep saying that but that’d be like accepting Al Quaeda’s word.

[OddBeMe]

Oh another non profit says the same…using research from The Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) Famine Review Committee (FRC).

www.ipcinfo.org/.../

[Juxtapose]

I assume you meant that I am treating Hamas like Al-Qaeda? Absolutely I am.

Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization that would kill me simply for being bisexual. They are jihadi terrorists and are some of the most sadistic, depraved and evil people on earth.

[Juxtapose]

They will not stop until they eliminate Israel entirely and their leadership has said as much.

[OddBeMe]

I meant what I wrote. Go to fucking school and learn higher concept reading.

[OddBeMe]

No one wants to eliminate Israel except Neo Nazis and the KKk. And who do they vote for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e3T3VHmEkg&t=15s

[Juxtapose]

You know what you're an "effective communicator" when you insult somebody else's intelligence after you misframe a sentence 😂 How is that like accepting Al-Qaeda's word? That doesn't even make sense.

Go read Hamas's charter and go look into what the leadership has said. Also look into what the son of Hamas, the son of a Hamas founder has said about the organization.

Honestly you're making this too easy.

[OddBeMe]

Sigh…accepting Hamas’ word would be like accepting Al Quaeda’s word.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, exactly! Thank you! Hamas is completely untrustworthy and the UN should not be using their numbers.

[ApplePie409]

Idiots blame Israel. Hamas wants to die. I doubt the peace deal will continue.

[DryGermanGuy]

Hamas doesn’t have two weeks. The IDF is one keyturn away from rolling into Rafah.

[Juxtapose]

What happens next is in their hands but we all know they will not be content with any sort of deal unless Israel is wiped off the face of the Earth.

[DryGermanGuy]

I would say, at this point it is pretty much out of their hands, because the IDF will go in, one way or another. The only difference might be additional save zones, explicitly for Hamas personell or similar deals.

[Juxtapose]

No lol it's up to Hamas and we all know these jihadi savages will never accept peace.

[DryGermanGuy]

Directly from the prime minister's mouth:
www.theguardian.com/.../netanyahu-vows-to-raid-rafah-with-or-without-hostage-deal

[Juxtapose]

"This week’s talks in Cairo are widely viewed as the last opportunity to salvage a diplomatic solution to free Israeli hostages and a pause or end to the war. A Hamas delegation left the Egyptian capital on Monday, saying they would return again with a written response to Israel’s latest ceasefire proposal. On Tuesday, Israeli officials said they would wait for the Palestinian militant group’s response before sending a delegation."

Okay, then they could surrender. Do you blame the prime minister? He knows Hamas is not going to just give up because of a hostage deal are you kidding?

[DryGermanGuy]

Netanyahu in his latest iteration is hellbent on politically fucking up everything he touches, mostly to the detriment of his own people/country. I would even argue that he doesn't care too much about the hostages' fate, if they stand between him and a complete annihilation of Hamas. I guess we will have to wait what his ultimate decision will be, it's depending on both the official Hamas answer and the US/EU influence he is willing to accept.

[DryGermanGuy]

Hamas has apparently accepted "a" peace deal. According to Israel though, there is some bait and switch going on. Still they are sending a negotiation delegation to continue.

[DrPepper12]

In the short term view yes. Widen out to a century from the 1917 Balfour declaration onwards

[OtterMan68]

The right wing in the Knesset is against the cease fire

[Redstang88]

2 weeks? I give it 2 days

[DJB72]

I give it a week...