So the biden admin tried to use the FBI to assassinate trump during the Mara'Lago raid. What's the lefts excuse going to be for this?

[captain_voidwalker]

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[WhiteSteve]

Another red herring. The “deadly force authorization” in question is a one page provision that comes standard with all FBI search warrants, it’s just a statement of agency policy.

That means it was also in Biden’s search warrant. Was he trying to have himself assassinated?🤔

The other thing: when it happened, I don’t forget that the right was crying foul that the FBI deliberately executed the warrant on a day when they knew Trump wouldn’t be there, it was even coordinated with Secret Service.

So you guys yourselves admit that this was done in a manner so that Trump would’ve been away, which COMPLETELY conflicts with anything with this story suggesting that the FBI was coming in with intent to kill.

This whole story falls apart without needing to dig very deep beneath the surface.

[captain_voidwalker]

Even if it's standard, raiding a former presidents residence is not a standard occurrence. Special instructions and procedures should have been followed.

[WhiteSteve]

But that’s the whole thing…. Presidents should not be afforded special privileges when facing legal issues, they should be handled just like you or I. If they run up on a drug lord’s mansion and his goons come out with even their hands concealed, let alone brandishing or shooting a firearm, it’s gonna be raining fed lead without little to no warning.

If it’s the Secret Service, it’s gotta be the same standard. I understand that’s a really complicated situation, but we’re not even supposed to be there because we’ve historically endeavored to fill the role with honest men, at very least superficially honest, and bare minimum honest enough to not flagrantly flout the law and be difficult about it when initially asked to stop nicely. This is why MAGA gets labeled as a cult: in the face pretty obvious evidence, you won’t believe he did anything wrong, you won’t even allow for looking into it, it’s just always somebody else’s fault. This is rigged, they’re crooked, this is all so unfair…. like I wonder if these same people have kids and they get bamboozled by their kids like this🤦‍♂️😂

“Are you DRUNK?”

“Uhhh…No…like…Tyler had this thing…. we were studying…his older sister was having a sleepover and she and her friends busted in and poured beer and vodka all over us…um…. and then…I fell and hit my head on the way home, so I’m just a little dizzy…. I’m just gonna go to bed, I’ll see you in the morning…. can we have pancakes? Love yoooouuuuuu.”

“I KNEW that MY KID would NEVER do something like that! Phew!”

[WhiteSteve]

It’s just been going on for so long now, it’s literally “the boy who cried ‘wolf’ “, like how many times are we supposed to believe that the most likely and obvious scenario that he just doesn’t give a fuck and did a bunch of illegal shit that he’s now being held legally accountable and is trying to evade in any way out of self-preservation for is all “a witch hunt like we’ve never seen before” and “a disgrace”, and is instead some insane behind-the-scenes conspiracy with thousands of moving parts and players involved, all of which would need to go off without a hitch to succeed, and if it were ever exposed would destroy whoever was involved, even the entire Democratic Party. Like they’d have ZERO credibility for the rest of forever and would have to board up the windows, you don’t come back from something of that magnitude. The risk isn’t worth the reward, no matter how much you hate Trump.

But what happens is Trump just “says something”, posts a wild accusation like “Biden tried to assassinate me!” on social media or on camera, right wing media is its own closed-loop feed for its viewers, so within a few hours Jesse Waters or formerly Tucker Carlson is sensationalizing it, Sean Hannity will invent some catchphrase or nickname that I’ll have to see parroted for the next year or more from every unoriginal idiot on the internet, a whole story gets fabricated, people don’t know any better and take it as fact, someone makes an easily digestible meme for morons who were busy shopping barefoot at Walmart instead of watching the news, and then half the country is walking around believing that abject fiction is fact. And it happens in an instant this day and age, which only lends it the illusion of credibility.

Like if I had one question for the right wing, it would just be “how in the FUCK can you not see something so blatantly obvious?” Absolutely shocking to me.

[hahahmm]

@WhiteSteve Because the elite, including ex presidents are literally treated as above all of the rest of us & have been for like 150 years. If the US had a history of putting presidents on trial every time someone accused them of farting, nobody would think it's a big deal that Trump is being hunted by multiple prosecutors who waited until their cases would directly affect an election. Same for if the left had investigated evidence that Biden & his son are mafia level criminals instead of sweeping it under the rug. Same for the Clintons. All of the prison worthy stuff on the left has been swept under the rugs. You can't apply "justice" to one side and claim it's fair. Maybe the U. S. system has run off the rails and nobody noticed until now.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm Well, I’m certainly in agreement about going after anyone, not just Trump. I’m not pleased about this because I think it will derail Trump as a politician, it might not. I’m pleased about it for the very reason you stated: for the first time, they’ve gone after an elite in politics. We’ve got all kinds of regular people put in prison for non-violent crimes, ROUTINELY, but we never go after the politicians, the businessmen, etc, and we should, with the exact same vigor. If you want to clean up DC, this is how you do it, by no longer letting shit slide.

I hope that Menendez guy from New Jersey has the book thrown at him too, if he’s as guilty as he appears to be. I’m not watching any D vs R scoreboard, just get the bad people out and don’t abuse it as reason to attack one side because they had more corrupt people or whatever…. just get things “back to normal” (not sure any of it was ever normal, or if the previous standard of “normal” was at all acceptable, lmao) and operate this way going forward. And the crimes alleged will be boring ones that probably don’t scare you like getting carjacked would, but we need to treat it with the same level of seriousness. Violent crime is the least of most of our worries, in reality, whereas this stuff quietly impacts all of us as well as our futures and those of us not born yet.

If Biden or the Clintons or anyone else did anything, bring the charges. Tons of conservatives work in the legal system too, we’re talking like liberals control all that. But like I said before…. bring the charges LEGITIMATELY and no regard of what’s going on with Trump. We can’t get into a game of “you go after one of ours, we’ll go after one of yours”, that defeats the purpose, and the stalemate of NOT doing it perpetuates the status quo of corruption, because people won’t go after anyone for fear that their own house isn’t clean and don’t want people sniffing around inside out of vengeance.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm But the thing is: what did Hillary even do? What did Biden even do? I’m not particularly bothered by the email thing with Hillary, that seems overblown, but if it’s a crime, it’s a crime, so hit her if legitimately needed. Same deal with Biden…. I’m inclined to think it’s nothing more than a political hit job at this point because Republicans have done nothing but look like straight CLOWNS ever since they started going after Hunter. “Big evidence coming! Whistleblower witness incoming who’ll blow the lid off this whole thing!” Literally YEARS of this talk now, but nothing. Is it being swept under the rug or is there just nothing there? One of their supposed whistleblowers turned out to be a liar, lmao, I mean, it’s almost sad to watch. And in all that time, what POLICY did the Republicans accomplish? I kept hearing before the midterms that they were going to close the border and fix inflation…. all they’ve done is unsuccessfully go after people they don’t like. Our tax dollars at work, folks.

But thing I keep coming back to is that Trump DOES appear to have committed the crimes in question, so as far as Trump is affected, it seems all fair to me, even if he’s the first one experience it. If he hadn’t done anything and it seemed made up out of thin air, I’d be protesting that too, whether I was a fan of his politics or not.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm And also, if this was done to sink him politically, these cases would be expedited on greased tracks to get them done before the election. This one is looking like the only one that will be done in time, and it’s probably the least offensive of the charges as it relates to being elected President. “Rich guy cheats on his wife and tries to hide it; more at 11”, lmao. Certainly low-character, but my day to day life isn’t affected. Being shady about classified documents or trying to influence the Sec’y of State in Georgia by asking for the EXACT amount of votes he needed on a recorded phone call🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ or what his actions/inactions were that may have caused Jan 6th, that’s the important stuff that I have serious questions about your suitability for the job, and we probably won’t have answers for it by November, and if elected, you want to talk about “sweeping things under the rug”, he’ll be pardoning himself and his cronies, probably trying to figure out a way to pardon himself from state crimes…. dude is crooked as fuck on his face, I don’t know how anyone thinks he’s an honest man, absolutely mind-blowing to me🤯

The reality is that cases of this magnitude take years to investigate, let alone prosecute, so the “timing” thing is a bogus argument to me. If anything, they’re rushing it to get it done prior to Election Day. If anyone is dragging their feet, it’s that Trump-appointed judge who seems to be trying to stall and help Trump run the clock out, on the case I’m probably most curious about.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm I just want this stuff heard and the information made public, it’s not about the conviction so much. But yeah, all quiet on FoxNews, etc about the supposed “corrupt” judge on that case. But you basically aren’t allowed to bring charges on Trump in anywhere that isn’t deep red, or else the fix is supposedly in🙄🤦‍♂️ It’s not even convictions, these people just don’t want it so much as looked into or even suggested. Just completely divorced from reality and in the bag for the guy they’ve sworn allegiance to.

But I haven’t seen any compelling evidence of “mafia-level” stuff with Biden & son. I’m waiting, but no one delivers and the whole case falls apart more and more. I don’t know how anyone on the right is still sitting there thinking a hammer is about to drop and these idiots like James Comer and Jim Jordan are going to come out with it any day, two years later and after repeated failures of producing anything legitimately incriminating. I’m not rooting for or against anyone, I’m just saying I was told one thing, but it doesn’t seem like they can back up the claims.

[hahahmm]

Far as Biden and Hunter, there is plenty of evidence that Hunter collected bribes and funneled cash back to his dad. Businessmen were buying influence. Just go search online. As far as the Clintons, lots of people mysteriously ended up dead who were associated with them & the Clinton Foundation was collecting bribes and funneling it to them. This isn't secret if you look around for info. Hillary not only had the email scandal but it was found that there was a secret communications link between a Russian bank and her office.

As far as what you say about 'conservatives could have' -- from my POV both major parties are corrupt even tho I agree with the stated ideological goals of conservatism.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm I’d need to hear that stuff about Biden & son presented under oath in a court of law. One thing I don’t view as very credible is “independent journalism”, it’s unregulated and thus unreliable, way too easy to make wild claims or present supposed evidence as neutral and without agenda when it’s bogus.

Honestly, this whole idea of “fake news” might be the most damaging effect from the Trump era, sewing distrust and making “mainstream media” a dirty word. Obviously we need to be critically thinking, but the thing is that the supposed liberal mainstream media presents a reality that MUCH MORE closely resembles the reality I witness when I leave my house everyday and live life than mainstream conservative media currently does, that’s the bottom line for me when it comes to who’s telling the truth, or closest to it. Conservative media is asking me to “not believe my lying eyes” significantly more than liberal media is. Ideally, we just have down the middle media that just tells us what happens, and there’s no Tucker Carlson or Rachel Maddow telling us what our opinion should be about it.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm But anyway, I’m just saying that if there’s evidence against Biden, Clinton, etc…. the makeup of Congress itself tells you things are pretty 50/50 across the people of America, so I just don’t buy this idea that both parties are committing crimes, but only the Democrats are really good at sweeping it under the rug, that just doesn’t logically compute. If the evidence exists, like it does for Trump (enough for conviction in one case, and enough for charges to be brought in three others, as decided by juries/grand juries of American CITIZENS, not any judge or political operative, that’s hugely important), then go ahead and run these folks through all the same stuff. It’s not “lawfare” if true violations exist and are enough to convince a grand jury of American citizens that charges and a trial are warranted.

Anything after this that comes after a Democrat better be ROCK SOLID, otherwise that WILL be “lawfare”, if it’s done in a retaliatory manner just to even the score, which is what the Biden stuff is starting to feel like, just on a Congressional level. Just something to muddy the waters and make Trump more palatable of a candidate if you can suggest Biden is crooked too and it’s just a “pick your poison.” Criminal vs Not Criminal is too bad of an election disadvantage for Republicans to allow, so they will do and say literally anything they can get away with in order to sully Biden’s name.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm I agree with your overall opinion of both major parties being corrupt, particularly Congress. Bribery and promises of do-nothing Consultant or Board Of Directors jobs with these companies and industries lobbying…. THAT’S really fucking with things. We’re not deciding regulatory measures and laws based on the merits and faults of issues, it’s based on what some fat cat wants in order to do better business, and “doing the best business” just CANNOT be the ultimate and unyielding guiding light of a decent society. I tend to agree more with the current stated ideological goals of liberalism, particularly social/human issues, and the conservative social position is just currently at a point that I can’t ever get behind, before we even get to sitting down at the table to talk tax rates and expenditures. Otherwise, I’m registered as an Independent and open to hearing good ideas. The sports fan mentality is going to kill us, especially in what’s basically a two-team league.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm *SOWING distrust, yikes🤦‍♂️😂

[hahahmm]

Uh, the Hunter stuff comes from his own laptop which is lawyers admit is his laptop. Before the last presidential election the CIA and past CIA leaders got together and signed a letter claiming the laptop was disinformation. This was a lie -- as admitted to by Hunter's own legal team years later.

[hahahmm]

Last I checked polls said 80% of the public believe Trump is being persecuted in kangaroo courts. I think the people who are quick to say they aren't kangaroo courts will find themselves on the wrong side of history. Not that it really matters as my cynical view is that the US doesn't have much longer left.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm I’m not informed enough on the Hunter stuff you’re alleging to reasonably comment. I’m neutral about both Bidens, overall. If you told me the son of a career Senator and later VP was a bit douchey, possibly engaging in some scandalous behavior, I’d believe you. I’m never going to hang a flag with any man’s name on it, that’s fucking crazy, this isn’t me being a Biden fanatic and claiming neither he nor his kin could ever do wrong like some folks in the MAGA camp with the Trumps. Crooked politicians have come and gone for longer than we’ve been alive. None of them lied about an election being stolen. They were unable to prove that in a court of law, so until proven otherwise, no matter how many propaganda documentaries they put out or conspiracy theories they concoct, known fact is that the election was NOT rigged, and Trump & Co. LIED. Open invite to bring solid evidence to court and win, and I’ll completely change my tune if I hear that, honest to goodness. Logic would prevent me from believing anything else at that point.

But you can’t tell me it doesn’t look TERRIBLE that all these years later they can’t come up with anything to be sufficient to consider damning evidence. PROVE IT, that’s all I’m asking, I think that’s reasonable. I don’t even know Hunter Biden, I don’t need any favors done for him, or for Papa Joe. But don’t use a flawed son who isn’t even in politics as a proxy to attack a President who you don’t like.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm Trump is in the position he’s in currently because there is tons of evidence, enough to indict, if not convict. None of this is made up, not in this case anyway, and what I can tell of the others so far, nothing is made up in those either. I just can’t understand why the most likely scenario that Trump may be guilty or at least accuse-able —BASED ON TANGIBLE EVIDENCE— is so out of the question for people, other than just wishful thinking and cognitive dissonance and whatever necessary mental gymnastics to protect “your guy” in your own mind and still feel like you’re backing someone righteous.

But to stay on topic with Hunter…. bring it already. All this feels like more run-of-the-mill political corruption if true, not to downplay it, please do go after them if rules were broken. But whether or not we allow flagrant disregard of requests to turn in sensitive national information, attempted election interference like in Georgia, or what my “court of public opinion”-opinion (that and $5 will get you coffee and a donut, though) was a brand of stochastic terrorism on Jan 6th (maybe not a full-blown coup, but something we should be closing every possible legal loophole for QUICK, and a HORRENDOUS precedent to set for the future of politics in America)…. that feels like a pivotal, existential fork in the road, and we really need to choose the road of “don’t do that shit.”

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm I don’t know of these poll sources claiming 80%, that seems extremely high. We also heard Trump’s rally of like 11,000 people in New Jersey was 100k, just lmfao.

The important thing to remember about humans is that most (probably 80%+ lmfao) just aren’t really tuned in to what’s going on like you or I might be in the first place, and they’re going to start checking in a few months leading up to the election, uninformed at best. At worst…. there’s no nice way to say it: DUMB. That’s across the aisle. 80% of humanity is uninformed and/or stupid, I think that’s just in our wiring, it’s not a new phenomenon.

Therein lies the problem with democracy: we leave decisions to the people, but most people don’t know what’s best for themselves or can’t balance that with what works for society collectively, so trusting the people is flimsy to say the least. It turns into “this works best for ME”, and then it turns into whoever has the most of those people wins, and everyone else, even if it’s 49.9%, is assed out.

You can’t have that, the environment needs to be comfortable for all, and that requires decency and empathy and understanding and acceptance, which I struggle to understand why that’s such an issue for so many to accommodate. But the alternative to democracy is dictatorship, and that can be ugly too, in the wrong hands. It’s a double-edged sword, for sure.

Maybe democracy is good, but we need a healthy dose of “let’s slow our roll and remember that John and Jane Average American are pretty fucking stupid, so let’s take their thoughts into account but not just listen to them because they’re loud and annoying and we want them to shut up.”, and specifically in the case of politicians “…. but I still need these morons to vote for me to keep this cushy job.”

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm Anyone calling it a kangaroo court just learned that term one night on Hannity, along with “banana republic”, and they don’t really seem to have that many good arguments pertaining to “Trump didn’t do what they’re accusing him of”…. if Trump walked in and straight up beat these cases based on fact, getting outright acquitted, THAT would strongly alter my opinion. And the advantage is always the defendant’s. Burden of proof is on the prosecution, and then jury can hang if even one juror isn’t sold, they have to go 12-for-12. When a jury convicts someone, odds are you can believe it.

It seems more like people just resent Trump being accused of anything in the first place, and certainly him being held to the same legal standard as the rest of us. Trump is a terrible look for the Republican Party, but they made their bed with him in 2016, and now they have to sleep in it…. but they don’t want to, and they’re between a rock and a hard place where they probably don’t want to endorse him but he’s their best chance to win due to his looney base, and those loons will vote Republican down the ticket, so to cling to peer as a party, and to their jobs as politicians, they’re forced to kiss his ring because the alternative is career suicide. You can only speak out if you’re leaving anyway, like Romney or Kinsinger. Liz Cheney, for all I disagree with her politics, is a woman of integrity, I can say that much. She knew that was career suicide, but the American people needed to hear all that.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm Anyway, at this point, naysayers are saying nay based off of them not wanting it to be true, not facts. They’re invested in the guy, and they’ve decided to go down with the ship, or don’t know any better to hop in a lifeboat. It’s either “he didn’t do it” or “it’s not a big deal that he did it”, and it changes with the breeze. I just can’t take that seriously, it’s like dealing with a lying child, just moving the goalposts as needed but unaware of how obvious they are in doing it, unaware that no one else is fooled and they just look sillier with each passing second. If you ask follow-up questions and details of what they mean, they have nothing, just the initial front of “it’s all lies!” It’s sad, really.

I don’t know about the US. At this point I worry we’ll do it to ourselves via disunity. Social media silos are killing us. Who knew Facebook would be the downfall of us all, lmfao, but it turns out humans are too dumb to be having transmission of their dumb ideas facilitated when “I seen it online!” constitutes legitimacy of information. Holy fuck, lmfao🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ But we’ll rip ourselves in two before any other supposed foreign enemy gets to us, I’m pretty sure of that.

[hahahmm]

@WhiteSteve Of course people resent Trump being charged with a crime when his political opponents were not charged with crimes they could have been charged with. They have the moral high ground on the point of whether it is just or not. Just like if everybody in your town was allowed to drive 10 miles over the speed limit for 20 years but the cops pull you over and want to fine you and arrest you for doing the same thing. They say there's so many laws today that if the government really wants to they could accuse everyone of being a criminal.

"Therein lies the problem with democracy: we leave decisions to the people, but most people don’t know what’s best for themselves or can’t balance that with what works for society collectively, so trusting the people is flimsy to say the least. It turns into “this works best for ME”, and then it turns into whoever has the most of those people wins, and everyone else, even if it’s 49.9%, is assed out."
The country will break apart eventually, if there is too much disagreement. This is a fact that a lot want to deny because it doesn't fit into their belief that they have the right to dictate how huge numbers of people who disagree with them live.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm Fair enough, but my mood is “don’t stop with Trump.” I voted for Biden last time and will do it again if Trump is the opponent, but I have absolutely no issue with prosecuting Joe or Hunter or anybody else past, present, or future. Suspended statute of limitations can apply to any President if it applies for Trump.

That’s my point, Trump isn’t the target because he’s a Republican or because of his MAGA movement, not to me, anyway. He’s a target because I see him as someone who clearly has broken the law, based upon presented evidence. Some of that evidence has yet to be verified in a court of law, so I’m writing that in pencil, not in ink yet, but my initial feeling is “this doesn’t look good.” And federal cases have like a 90-some% conviction rate…. if the feds come for you, they come correct or they don’t come at all, so that’s more evidence suggesting that Trump is likely guilty of what he’s accused of.

Come after the Biden’s if they have something, I don’t care, I’d prefer a younger nominee anyway. I feel like there’s a disconnect between MAGA folks and everyone else, because no one else is like “Our people would NEVER do that! How DARE you?” The reason I don’t think Biden should be impeached or convicted of anything at this point is because I haven’t seen compelling evidence. Bring that, and I’m on board.

But Comer & friends just keep looking like bozos, for YEARS now they’ve been telling us they’ve got damning evidence, “just wait for it”, but it never comes…. so again, that makes it look more like political football. “Trump looks like a criminal right now, so we’d better make sure Biden looks like one too or we’re fucked.” This is all about optics, muddied waters, etc.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm And when Biden is out of office, prosecute his ass, if called for. It’s not a team sport for me, I just want corrupt motherfuckers removed. I hope Trump is the first of many, and if they were all Democrats after this, that’s fine too. There’s no scoreboard, no gloating, just identify the bad actors, regardless of party, and get them the fuck outta there. And maybe they won’t, and that does suck and needs drastic change, but if you even get ONE, fantastic. You’re probably correct that they could probably get most of these people for SOMETHING. But there’s something to be said for at least keeping it on the sly. Trump just does whatever and looks at you like “What? Do something, I dare you.” I guess I like my corruption out of sight and out of mind, lmao.

But in seriousness, it’s the mood Trump is beginning to set that I think bodes poorly for the future of American politics. We’re getting these copycat rabble-rousers trying to mimic his presentation. I think Trump’s brand of presentation makes people irrationally and illogically angry and fearful, and we can’t have half of America walking around with that kind of psyche, because it causes them to be worse humans in terms of their responses and attitudes and actions.

The country is for sure divided. From my spot, I’m seeing the same old story of the right wing struggling to evolve socially. The only way to move in life is forward, so trying to keep shit like 1950 ain’t gonna work. We just CANNOT be saddled with any sort of bigotry or outdated mindsets.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm My buddy was watching some documentary or special news report about the economy of small town America around me the other day. It made me sad for the people, sincerely, even though I’m sure we don’t share the same politics. I’m a human and so are they, I want everyone doing well.

One of the things we were saying though, is that things change, regions change, and you have to be willing to move and adapt. I’m from Massachusetts, and we’re up there for wealth, education, economic opportunity, particularly here in Metro Boston. Booming industries like technology and robotics are heavy here. We have a whole “Tech Belt” west of the city along I-95. We also have some cities here that are hellholes now that used to be huge manufacturing cities 100+ years ago. Automation and just deaths of certain industries as unskilled labor jobs killed those towns, the mills closed and began decaying (some still to this day, or are just now being redeveloped)…. so people moved.

[WhiteSteve]

@hahahmm My buddy and I were talking about how there seems to be this refusal to adapt to modern principles in some of these small towns elsewhere. There was some guy from Iowa that had some business, and it was struggling, and the mayor of town was a part-timer making $4k a year for it, and he’s showing some huge empty warehouse, sheepishly saying “come on down to Newton, Iowa, we’ll give you a great price on it.” It was pathetic. I don’t mean that in a mean way, but in an empathetic way. But the problem, we were saying, is these probably otherwise good people are likely holding some primitive attitude that makes the idea of moving somewhere more lucrative out of the question to them. “I don’t want to move to Massachusetts because of liberals!”…. bro…you’re fucking yourself. Most liberals are just people endeavoring to be kind, decent, and empathetic, I don’t know why it’s such a dirty word unless someone ISN’T those things and simply resents being called out on it. So, I mean, you might be like a 90% good person but someone convinced you to be freaked out about gay people, so you can’t take your business to the San Francisco Bay Area, or maybe you just feel like you can’t compete in a big area, I don’t know. But it’s just like “maybe Newton, Iowa, as attached as you may be to it, is no longer economically viable and needs to be abandoned. That sounds sad, and probably is, but the fact remains, if there’s nothing there for you, no politician is ever going to change that, so maybe it’s time to pull up anchor and search for calmer waters. Boston is literally part of my soul, lmao, but I’m fuckin’ GONE if shit dries up for some reason one day and it sucks to live here. I have no entitlement to Boston, and Boston has no entitlement to existence. We’ll all sink or swim as circumstances dictate.

I don’t know, bit of a tangent, but something I was thinking about. I sure hope we can all evolve enough to find decent common ground to agree upon.

[hahahmm]

@WhiteSteve Sure there's advances in robotics & AI stuff. The problem is that if you suddenly switch to that stuff tens of millions of people would be out of work. For automated driving alone, I think the number is 30 million. Add on a lot of customer service jobs and all warehouses and so on. Society would be upended. If society is a brick wall, it'd be like hitting it with a wrecking ball. Now the people developing technology say we need to advance (and coincidentally they become filthy rich) but the people who should be trying to keep society from falling apart who go along with it are foolish. Let me give you a scenario for what could happen if the robot stuff is pushed too fast: You suddenly have millions unemployed. People who are used to being able to feed their families & who have a good reason to think that feeding their family is more important than say the life & safety of people who pushed the robots or who support it. These people could spontaneously form gangs with 300-600 members any random moment and go marching into whatever neighborhood they please & take whatever they want. There's nothing anybody could do about it. You would basically have societal collapse as it happens all over the place. I have seen zero evidence in my lifetime that the government is capable of managing a disaster on that scale. Some say, well horses were replaced by engines so it won't be a big deal. Horses aren't people. Back when that switch happened many horse riders learned how to drive cars. It was a gradual transition not an instant change. Robots on the other hand will just replace workers. My 2 cents.

[Avicenna]

You know, if you anticipate that your actions will result in a shootout with the Secret Service, maybe you should find another, less potentially violent way to get the documents?

Funny how the documents from as long ago as the 1970s in Joe Biden's garage and basement weren't going to result in a shootout.

[purplepoppy]

They can't be very good at their job if he's still alive.

[DryGermanGuy]

Only in the world of tabloid idiots and MAGA cultists. Watch this video if you want to know what really happened:

https://youtu.be/8Ya_rdaPMEo?si=UB0LHUIeqwyIE5pW

[Dongie]

That's one BIG cult.

[Dongie]

They stopped hiding their corruption when he won in 2016. Recall the rise of the liberal version of brown shirts of Nazi Germany or Italys black shirts. Those "street toughs" artifacts. If cheating is controlled then we'll see the return of heavy street force again. But I believe Trump will handle things a bit differently this time.

[Dargil]

They claim it was Standard Operating Procedure. But the FBI was prepared for a shoot out with the Secret Service and might have caught DJT in the crossfire.

[hahahmm]

Sounds more like FBI was prepared to fight small Secret Service Unit... no way would they take on the actual entire Secret Service. US Military apache helicopters would be called in for air support & send hell fire missiles up their azzes in a real fight.

[NamerOfStars]

Insofar as the article you posted explicitly says the opposite, they don't really NEED an excuse.

[Chazmatazz269]

The article contradicts itself on the issue of permissible force.
It never does mention assassination, funnily enough.

[gorydetails]

They'll gaslight you that you didn't read what you read.

[Anonymous]

Ugh, why didn't they do it then?

[Dongie]

That's not how America was intended to be.