Is the U. K in serious trouble?

[Juxtapose]

Why? Just why? What the hell HAPPENED to the United Kingdom?

[OlderAndWiser]

My previous admiration for the UK has almost totally evaporated. And that is the home of my ancestors!

[OlderAndWiser]

Thanks for MHO!

[Juxtapose]

You're welcome, I have ancestors from there as well. It's where I get my blue eyes.

[CubaPirate]

Yes I live in the UK and it's very disturbing

[Juxtapose]

It's only going to get worse until people peacefully reject this.

[Juxtapose]

My best wishes go with you.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Well, it's a good case of discourse analysis you're featuring here, rhetoric and deconstruction:

Let's look at how the situation is presented, first we have the emotional lever, the headline stating "serious trouble", that's the first call to action, in marketing/journalistic terms. It catches attention, it does it well, as we are all attracted to danger. News media have been enough criticized for exploiting this human trait, since forever.

Second, we have a social media post briefly comparing 2 court cases, child pornography and xenophobia, that's the second emotional lever, a more powerful one, as that lever is using high emotion inducing topics to trigger scandalized response, whatever the topic is, we are all attracted to horror. Yes, it's common knowledge in journalism/politics/advertisement fields

Third, the discourse end with three questions to the general public, these questions are not really questions. Their sole purpose is to enforce, a third time, emotional response in the audience's psychology.

In short, your post is, by essence, talking to our emotional side only, when the topic could be reasonably evaluated, this way to engage and target emotion is typically the plague of modern days information, modern days politics, and advertisement. I know, it generates a lot of money, because it engages audience way more powerfully than any rational thinking, reason is boring, emotion sells. Whatever you have to sell.

Thank you for this opportunity, you gave me, to think reasonably.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I'm not a teacher, but I'm sure this post you feature is good material for a class, in history, philosophy or social science in general.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@DrPepper12 is hereby invited

[Juxtapose]

It's not complicated. Child porn was punished less than "hate speech". That's literally it.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@Juxtapose
when you remove any context from a designated situation then yes, the situation is not complicated anymore, I concur. That is another informational trope, on top of the ones you featured

[Levin]

Your analysis is no doubt sound. But we are not robots. And what is happening in the UK is very concerning, as a person who lives here. I suppose you can see yourself as some kind of hero because you're not emotional about it. Or it can be seen as a kind of pathology given we are emotional creatures. We can't transcend emotion. We can suppress and repress it. I do believe there are emotionally healthy ways to deal with what is happening. And sorry, I don't believe it can be found in your post. The topic of how we can actually look after and protect our mental health is very important, because there are myriad manipulative forces at play.

The posts are definitely emotionally manipulative. However, the sentencing in the UK is surely inconsistent, and our freedoms are being stolen from us, bit by bit. Or maybe the notion that we had any freedom anyway was fanciful. It's just that the facade is being removed...

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@Levin
Emotion is a fundamental part of human existence ! Fucking yes lol ! No debate on that with me.

What you have been reading from me is the antithesis of emotion indeed, it is one sided, purely analytical, and I featured this because I do love analysing information and discourse. I'm not denying emotion at play in the story featured, but I'm denouncing the lack of reason at play in the original post, this was my precise intent and just that !

[Juxtapose]

How am I being unreasonable when I am pointing out reality and the absurdity of that reality?

A pedophile literally got less of a sentence than a person saying being white is okay on the internet. That's insanity.

[Juxtapose]

Hate speech laws by themselves are utter insanity.

[Sasahara]

@Juxtapose You are not being unreasonable.

[bolverk]

Oh, the UK is definitely in serious trouble, It was bad enough when the last Conservative Government was in office, but now we have a truly demented Labour Government who absolutely have gone off the deep end by supporting a tiny minority of the population at the expense of the majority of the rest of the population. Starmer may not realise it yet but he is heading towards something akin to the Poll Tax Riots of 1990, and if it comes to pass it will make the recent "riots" look like a Saturday Night pub brawl, The Police will end up being totally over whelmed as they have forgotten that they police by consent and with the way they have been favouring the Muslim minority even to the point of saying that "If you treat everyone the same then you are going to treat people unfairly aren't you" that shows how deeply the WOKE Virus has embedded itself in UK Police Forces.

[MisterWack]

As a straight white guy idc.

I never say “its okay to be white”…. It is just assumed. White people aren’t being discriminated against, being treated as enemies of the state, mass victims of terrorism/police brutality/racist derogatory treatment.

I really don’t care since it doesn’t affect me and doesn’t affect the majority of white citizens.

[ImalwaysrightOK]

UK is now authoritarian leftist and fascist.

[Juxtapose]

Yes.. and that's putting it mildly.

[Juxtapose]

Anarcho-tyranny, a controlled demolition of society.

[FreyaRed]

Raping children is less damaging to society than thinking that being white is okay, according to this specific judge. I don't think mindset of this judge bases on moral, logic and commons sense.

[Quidthonian]

Don't comment here. The British will find you, and accuse you of spreading fake news, and put you in jail too.

[Juxtapose]

I am in the USA, they can't.

[Quidthonian]

My sources say that they will try to extradite.

[Juxtapose]

It's an empty threat. I can't be extradited for exercising the first amendment in America.

[Juxtapose]

Ask any credible lawyer.

[monorprise]

@quidthonian
The U. S. Constitution overrides U. S. Treaties so the extradition treaty with even the UK would be ignored by U. S. courts on 1st amendment and sovereignty of the place of 'crime' grounds.

A attempt to do so and thereby subject American Citizens in America to forign speech law would not only fail in court but enrage the American people and thus be politically disastrous for said president.

It is not impossible that were a president to try this, s/he might find themself following the next election extradited to a hostile country like Russia.

[Quidthonian]

@monorprise I am not in the US, so I don't know US law. I am based in Central Europe.

[Juxtapose]

If your country's laws do not override treaties then I feel sorry for you.

[lightbulb27]

Id like to know. Talking to people… worse than ever. Someone let it go.


Whom is bankrolling it? Arabia? Thats who decides The rules

[goaded]

You've got a judge who just let the defendant off an open and shut case for being the one who gave her the job.

[Juxtapose]

That wouldn't happen like that in the USA. Pedophiles being excused while "hate speech" is given two years because you say it's okay to be white.

The U. K is FUCKED.

[goaded]

You put people in prison for any reason except, apparently, refusing to return government documents for many months, and also obstructing justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it.

[captain_voidwalker]

Your right loaded that bitch Hillary Clinton should go to jail

[Juxtapose]

You mean Hillary Clinton?

[Sasahara]

@Juxtapose Yeah he probably mean Hillary.

[goaded]

You know I meant Trump, children.

[captain_voidwalker]

Ohh we know the trump derangement syndrome runs strong with you

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker No, we all know that he's the one who was indicted.

[captain_voidwalker]

For a misdemeanor lol

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker Nope, felonies.

[captain_voidwalker]

Misdemeanors artifical upgraded to felonies by a corrupt judge and DA

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker ... and grand jury and trial jury. But that's the case he was convicted of, I was talking about the documents case.

[captain_voidwalker]

The documents case that got droped because the supream court ruled he had presidential immunity like we all said he did. Not to mention there weren't any ground breaking state secrets bieng kept at Mara'Lago. They found a few over sheets and letters. Also trump was coordinating and following the national archives instructions to return the documents, don't know where you keep getting this narrative that trump wasn't cooperating with authorities. And if we are on the subject of classified documents that had actual important state information on them, didn't they find those all over joe bidens garage , from the timeche was a senator no less so unlike trump he had no presidential immunity for those.

[Juxtapose]

@captain_voidwalker ^^ this.

I don't know WHY people can't understand this.

[goaded]

No, the documents case got dropped because the fledgling judge working for Trump got a hint from a partisan "justice". It will be appealed, because Trump broke those very specific laws, and he did it when he wasn't president any more.

[captain_voidwalker]

That's a fancy way of saying droped because it was bullshit to begin with.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker No, again. It's a fancy way of saying the judge, who's already been reprimanded for exceeding her authority by a higher court in the very same case, is working for Trump, who gave her the job.

Even she hasn't said he's innocent, she's said 200 years of precedent no longer applies, as fascists do.

[captain_voidwalker]

Fascists you mean like cooking up bogus charges and trying to arrest you political opposition. Now which side of the political isle is doing that lemme think.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker Yeah, this is totally bogus.

[captain_voidwalker]

It is did you not see the article a few months back where the FBI admitted to staging those photos.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker No. Do you mean they brought along a load of boxes and classified documents folders to take photos of at Mar a Lago? Then what was Nauta hiding?

[goaded]

"“[If] the investigative team found a document with classification markings, it removed the document, segregated it, and replaced it with a placeholder sheet. The investigative team used classified cover sheets for that purpose,” Bratt wrote in a recent filing."

You think they should have released photos of classified documents?

[captain_voidwalker]

Nothing, all they found at Mara'Lago were letterhead and cover sheets. Bidens Very biased Justice department and extremely biased FBI director are trying to frame trump over nothing. And yes they did bring boxes and folders for photos they admitted as much.
Also if trump is guilty why is not biden also bieng prosecuted for committing the exact same crime. I wouldn't have as much of a problem if the law was bieng enforced unilaterally instead of unidirectionaly.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker Oh, you're full of shit. They found documentations with classification markings, or they wouldn't have replaced them.

Trump appointed the "extremely biased FBI director", idiot!

Hur report, page 11:
"Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified
documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According
to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but
he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about
it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and
the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his
homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the
investigation."

[captain_voidwalker]

That's a lie and we know the national archives says trump was complying with all requests.
Also I don't care if trump appointed him trump appointed a lot of bad people. I dosent mean he isn't biased because he clearly is.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker No, it's not a lie. I don't have to lie to show that the right is full of shit. If Trump "was complying with all requests" they wouldn't have had to issue a subpoena, would they?

"I don't care if trump appointed him trump appointed a lot of bad people"
I thought he only appointed the best! If you don't want to be indicted, don't commit crimes.

[captain_voidwalker]

They would if they wanted to charge him with something falsely

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker Jesus! They didn't have to "charge him with something falsely" because the documents were there. Not even Judge "loose" Cannon disputes that!

[captain_voidwalker]

I said they found letter heads and cover sheets. Truly eather shattering documents

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker No, they found documents and replaced them with cover sheets to show where they were found.

[captain_voidwalker]

Yep and epstien killed himself.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker SQUIRREL! They didn't have to "charge him with something falsely" because the documents were there. Not even Judge "loose" Cannon disputes that!

[captain_voidwalker]

Yeah he had letter heads and cover sheets

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker You're just going to keep lying, aren't you?

[captain_voidwalker]

No I'm going to keep calling out your bullshit

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker That's what you think you are doing? Did Cannon say Trump didn't commit the crimes, or not? No. She said that special counsels are unconstitutional, despite having been used for centuries.

[captain_voidwalker]

What trump did was not a crime anymore than what joe biden did was a crime.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker Yes, it was, even according to the Republican who you love for defaming Biden:

"Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified
documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According
to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but
he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about
it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and
the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his
homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the
investigation."

[captain_voidwalker]

Biden still committed the crime, so when they want to prosecute buden then they can prosecute trump I don't care I just want equal enforcement of the law.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker The crime involves intent. Trump "after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."

I don't know how anyone could make it clearer!

[captain_voidwalker]

Sniff sniff, ahhh the unmistakable scent of hypocrisy. So it's OK when one side does it but not the other. Ok then how about Hillary Clinton they ordered her to surrender documents and she destroyed the documents outright.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker No, you're as wrong as usual. it's OK if someone finds a wallet on the ground and takes it to the police station, it's not OK to take a wallet from someone's pocket and keep the money. Biden's actions were like the former, Trump's like the latter.

Clear now?

Reminder: Trump "after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."

[captain_voidwalker]

No biden took a wallet and handed it to a ghost writer for his book not the "police" trump was cooperating with the "police" then they decided fuck it let's raid his house for no reason.

[Juxtapose]

@captain_voidwalker damn he is so propagandized isn't he? The anti-Trump bias is real.

[goaded]

"he is so propagandized" says the guy agreeing with the liar. There would have been no search, no case, if Trump had simply told the authorities where the documents were and to take them away. He didn't, he chose to break the law instead.

[Juxtapose]

You are the only one lying here, perhaps unknowingly.

[captain_voidwalker]

It's like he dosen't know that government abuses it's power or something. I've stated multiple times that trump had the documents in a secure location and was complying with the national archives to turn them over. And all he can respond with is there wouldn't have been a search if that was true. Well no dude yes there would have been because and I want you to understand this. Government abuses it's power.

[goaded]

What lie have I told here, then? Be specific.

Judge Cannon has already been rebuked by the appeals court twice in this case, she'll no doubt get a third. Still, that doesn't matter because she's successfully delayed the trial until after the election, just like Trump wanted.

[Juxtapose]

You said Trump did not tell the authorities when he in fact did. You also failed to acknowledge that these documents were purposely shipped to Trump to frame him.

[captain_voidwalker]

He's just trying to justify Soviet style tactics like prosecuting your political opposition. He knows his side has no blvalid policies or arguments against Trump so they have to refer to other tactics. Like assassination atempts and so forth

[Juxtapose]

@captain_voidwalker and I bet he still thinks the guy that took a shot at Trump is right wing xD

[Juxtapose]

People with his ideas are why countries such as Germany are in trouble.

[captain_voidwalker]

That's giving him to much credit I'm sure he still thinks trump staged it with a blood pack

[Juxtapose]

Hahaha oh man.. those people are a special kind of stupid.

[captain_voidwalker]

I love how the best they can go after trump for is a few letterhead and cover sheets. When biden is a pedophile , is bieng blackmailed by Ukraine for his sons involvement with Barisma, he botched the Afghanistan withdrawal killing us soldiers and leaving behind over 80 billion$ worth of weapons and equipment in enemy hands, and he also was keeping classified documents and unlike trump was keeping them in an unsecured garage.

[goaded]

"You said Trump did not tell the authorities when he in fact did. You also failed to acknowledge that these documents were purposely shipped to Trump to frame him."
What a load of utter bullshit. He told the authorities he'd returned all the documents before they searched and found hundreds, and that second part is cloud cuckoo land.

[Juxtapose]

No it's actually reality and you got this story all wrong. It's no surprise though, since you believe that Russia hoax nonsense as well.

[goaded]

Funny how you can't back up a word of your interpretation (lies), whereas I've got special counsel reports and indictments from grand juries to back up my version (aka reality).

[Juxtapose]

So you have biased reports from the kangaroo courts? Yawwwwn.

[captain_voidwalker]

Yep it's like look the government thats been trying to frame trump for anything since 2015 days he did a thing. No shit dosen't make it true.

[goaded]

Grand juries of citizens, whose main purpose is to stop kangaroo courts from happening. Why do you hate the justice system of the US so much?

[captain_voidwalker]

I don't when it's enforced unilaterally

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker I'm sure you don't.

[captain_voidwalker]

If they prosecuted joe biden and Hillary Clinton whom committed the exact same crimes he'll throw mike pence in there to so did he. Then by all means prosecuted trump to your hearts content. But they don't so fuck em.

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker No, they didn't commit "the exact same crimes", Trump was indicted for having been "given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie ab out it."

Keeping the wallet, remember?

[captain_voidwalker]

And Hillary Clinton defied a subpoenae and destroyed evidence whata your point

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker "The state department has completed its years-long internal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of private email and found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”." Trump was indicted for having been "given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie ab out it."

[captain_voidwalker]

Yeah a corrupt government beurao didn't do it's damn job thats our point. Everyone with 2 fucking eyeballs knows Hillary did that shit. So I say again when the law is enforced equally then you might have an argument. Until then fuck off

[goaded]

@captain_voidwalker "Everyone with 2 fucking eyeballs knows"

[worldscolide]

I just thank God I don't live in such a fascist shit hole country.

[worldscolide]

What pisses me off is the shit stain leftists want the same thing here

[Dongie]

It's called liberalism. And it's spearheaded by white liberals. Yeah, wait until it catches up to them.

[Juxtapose]

Trump is actually a 90's liberal. He has been fine with gay couples, etc well before it was politically convenient.

[Dongie]

The old type liberal is pretty much middle of the road today. That's fine. It's the modern type that want to impose their will upon everybody else.

[Dongie]

I don't see the old type conservatives anymore. Now that you mention it.

[BetaBucks]

The wokies aren't liberal anymore. Forcing people into cages over unapproved opinions is pretty anti-liberal. I'd say the right is 100x more liberal these days.

[Dongie]

Hah-ah ok hotshot.

[Juxtapose]

I think Beta is right.

[Dongie]

"The right 100X more liberal" than who? The liberals evolved into woke and cancel culture. This is their version of the new liberal. Liberal never was a great thing. This is why it grew into a cancer in society.

[BetaBucks]

Than the woke. The woke developed into completely anti-liberal ideology and now advocates for racial, gender and religious discrimination, totalitarian government, wars, abolition of basic human/constitutional rights, etc... it doesn't matter if we think liberal ideology is good or bad, the woke are completely anti-liberal and the right calls for far more liberal policy than the woke do.

[Dongie]

The woke are the ones that pushed liberalism down throats of yesterday. Now, this is what it's led to. Don't defend liberalism to me.

[Anonymous]

The UK is in a real pickle you have to wonder how a country survives when its own Government favors colonizers and predators over its native people.

[jamesgoldman]

Yeah, the liberals are in and have genocide in their hearts

If Kamala wins in November then the US will unfortunately go the same way

[monorprise]

@jamesgoldman Parts of the USA like New York and California already are as bad with judges and prosecutors acting just like this for many years now.

The differences is we don't need to stay there, conservatives know they won't get a fair shake so most of them have already left those states, taking their businesses & money with them to go be prosperous and free elsewhere in places like Texas or Florida.

Unfortunately things have gotten so bad in theses blue states many leftist who have yet to recognize they are the cause of the problem are following said conservatives. Many others however have recognizes the problem precisely because of the disparate between Democrat and republican states.

A political point our federal and state leaders try to hammer on as much as possible to force them to recognize how undesirable theses policies are in practice.

[monorprise]

@jamesgoldman
Given your limited free speech rights, and the fact that the population has no where to go.

British politics looks a lot like far left blue state politics.

If the United Kingdoms were U. S. States instead your counties demographics and economy would look a lot more like New England states today.

Most of the working class Brits and their industry would have long ago left better paying jobs and lower cost of living for red states. Leaving only a shrinking ideologically and economically isolated population of leftist who actually want and can afford theses crazy laws.

Eventually there states are going to crack as the wealthy do the math and start leaving as is currently happening to both New York, and California.

[OddBeMe]

Not for that reason. But yes. Economically bc of Brexit.

[Ladsin2]

Anti-westernism came about due to guilt over success.

[ManInChains]

The King needs to take action

[monorprise]

What makes you think the King isn't behind it all? Charles strikes me as a leftist himself.

[gorydetails]

They have gone insane.

[Dargil]

They are spiraling the drain.

[DJB72]

Pretty much...

[ChicoFromThe305]

Smh..