Ladies... is "sexual abuse" the same thing?

[OddBeMe]

I'm glad we finally have a president who can relate this much

Its the same thing

It's not the same thing

[lightbulb27]

If a girl waiting outside restrooms is flirting with you, you flirt back. You go into mens room to adjust your tie, ad she follows you. The heat turns up, you get aggressive and touch her and kiss and she kisses back, maybe not totally committed... but it goes too hot too fast and she's overwhelmed. she never screamed or yelled, never complained to management... nor did you. Didn't call police. She brags about the event to others, that it was a bit off. She awaits your call. You never called her back... who really knows how she felt.

28 years later your a big wig... but you deny ever even seeing her, let along "getting it on". either you don't remember, or you can't face the truth of it as it cause too much polticial damage.

She's PISSED and your enemies can use this SH against you... you are sued for destroying her reputation.

Question... did you rape her, was it sexual assault? Was it the same thing, or was it neither?

To me they are different. I've always heard (from women) rape is a violent thing. That was not violent. Sexual assault is imposing on your space, and that might fit.

[DrPepper12]

6:10 are violent. It needs not be violent at all. Just stay away from Alaska, South Dakota & Arkansas if you're smart!

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Sexual abuse:
(crime) Any sexual activity that is undesired by one participant but forced on them nonetheless, especially when considered to be more sustained or frequent than an incident of sexual assault.

Rape:
The act of forcing sex upon another person without their consent or against their will; originally coitus forced by a man on a woman, but now generally any sex act forced by any person upon another person; by extension, any non-consensual sex act forced on or perpetrated by any being.

Any sexual activity VS generally any sex act? I think we're looking at the same concept. However, courts and tribunals have their own jargon that could or could not be related to any common dictionary...

[OddBeMe]

Yes this seems like the same

[Anonymous]

Jean E Carol was lying, just read her book.

It's big buisness to accused a celebrity or rich person of rape. In new York you don't even have to have proof, a time, day, month, year as to when it was supposed to have happened.

[OddBeMe]

Prove it

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not going to buy you her book lol.

[OddBeMe]

Her books don't say she lied. Maybe change your news source

[Opinion Owner]

Her book reads like pure fantasy. In it everyman she ever met sexually assaulted her.

[DrPepper12]

So you bought her book and read it even tho she's a liar?

Are you admitted to the bar in NY?

[Opinion Owner]

@DrPepper12 we have libraries you know

[Opinion Owner]

The woman clearly has persecution fantasises

[DrPepper12]

Hmph. I thought moms for liberty burned them down.. go figure. .

[GOLDFISH_smile]

From what I've heard the events described that he was found liable for, was rape, flat out. But officially it was labeled as sexual abuse. So the lawsuit stands, but only because of a technicality.

[goaded]

Except the law says public figures have less standing to sue and the judge himself said it was rape in the common meaning of the word. ABC is still going to be called "fake news" by Trump, and now he'll have this to "prove" it.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@goaded oh i didn't know that much, then yeah he shouldn't have been able to & it sucks it worked.

[Sevenpointfive]

did you ever go around telling your friends that you had sex with someone but really you put a finger in for like a second? that's not rape. it's assault or abuse or heat of the moment misunderstanding.

i say grab em by the pussy and avoid rape every time.

[talentedclock]

Trump is a moron, but anytime these sex scandals become a thing decades later, it's always because the woman changed her mind about "consent" and decided to get attention + a big payday from rape accusations.

[DrPepper12]

"Always"? Really? Just up and changed her mind like choosing regular over premium? Really?

[Juxtapose]

Wow, some woman 30 years later came up with some bullshit. I have never heard that story before.

People accusing someone else of sexual assault should have to produce physical evidence such as a rape kit or video evidence.

[DrPepper12]

Well over 2/3s of rapes/SA go unreported let alone to a facility that can conduct rape kits. Now what?

[Juxtapose]

People should be educated in schools to be proactive about this kind of thing. The victim has to do their part in bringing about justice.

[Juxtapose]

Let's bring back civics and revitalize it into making more sane, stoic and rational individuals.

[dustybiker2]

Money says its not the same thing

[dustybiker2]

Someone needs to ask his daughter her personal thoughts on this. I would openly bet she has a closet full herself.

[OddBeMe]

Funny what people will do for money

[DrPepper12]

FACTS!

[msc545]

I think by the legal definition it may be the same thing, but in reality it is not in that it isn't forcible. We need to ask a lawyer about this.

[goaded]

What? It was forcible.

[Aimée__LJ]

Sexual abuse and rape are not the same thing no.

[Aimée__LJ]

All rape is sexual abuse but not all sexual abuse is rape

[IamRight]

You are correct @Aimée__LJ

[OddBeMe]

What is sexual abuse then?

[Aimée__LJ]

Do you want examples or a definition?

[OddBeMe]

No i don't want examples dummy. Sex abuse is rape and rape is sex abuse. There's no real difference.

[IamRight]

@OddBeMe If you go up to a stranger on the bus and fondles her breasts, that is by definition sexual abuse. Groping is sexual abuse. Groping is not rape.

[Aimée__LJ]

No need for name calling. As I said all rape is sexual abuse but not all sexual abuse is rape.

[OddBeMe]

Pretty sure that's rape

[Aimée__LJ]

The legal definition of rape is : "when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent."

Groping isn't rape but it is sexual abuse, forcefully fingering someone isn't rape but it is sexual abuse, forcing someone to give you a handjob isn't rape but it is sexual abuse.

[OddBeMe]

Fair enough. I see different definitions
"Rape, unlawful sexual activity, most often sexual intercourse, against the will of the victim through force or the threat of force"

Seems like eex abuse.

[Aimée__LJ]

That is sexual abuse...

[IamRight]

As she said, all rape is sexual abuse but not all sexual abuse is rape. To use an analogy, all gay people are lgbt but not all lgbt people are gay.

[DrPepper12]

Forcible touching without penis I beleive. Here:

New York, the distinction between rape and abuse lies in the nature of the act and the legal definitions:
Rape: Defined as nonconsensual sexual intercourse, involving penetration (even slight), with factors like forcible compulsion, incapacitation, or age of consent violations. It is classified into degrees, with first-degree rape being the most severe and carrying significant penalties13.
Abuse: Refers to nonconsensual sexual contact without penetration. It includes acts like groping or fondling and is categorized under sexual abuse laws. Abuse charges often depend on the severity and circumstances of the act.