"Being Pro-Life Is About Protecting Life, Not Controlling Women, And Being a Man Doesn’t Mean Your Opinion Shouldn't Matter." Agree or Disagree?

[Physics-Man]

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[genericname85]

well if it's about babies, there'a ALWAYS a father to that baby. so men should definitely have a say equally to how women should get a say. and whatever they say shouldn't be about "themself" but about the baby. unless the life of the baby would litterally end the life of the other person which can be a rare medical thing.

[BCRanger10]

Yes. That is accurate.

[4ngelic]

i'm assuming you're pro life since conception, and you want the man to have a big say in what the woman he impregnated does.

personally i disagree pretty hard with that. i think abortion needs to be legal for the first 2 months in any civilized modern society. being against abortion at this stage is 98% of the time because of religion. religion has no place in law. there is no scientific evidence of souls, hell, etc. so there's no reason to restrict abortion since conception if the argument is religion. if you're not a hardline christian, i dont really see why someone would be pro life like that. the fetus in the early stages doesn't remotely look like a baby, is minuscule, has no consciousness, etc and any potential 'evil' of removing it, is lesser than the harm that would come from being forced to carry a kid (and even raise them) against your will, and also the bigger ramifications banning abortion totally would have on society. for the whole men's opinion thing, i think they can have some say but the women's opinion matters most. the men aren't the ones carrying the baby and not the ones who would have their edu/career/life the most derailed by it.

[DangerouslyCute]

1. it's 100% a woman's decision if she wants to go through pregnancy and childbirth... if a man wants to have a say in the matter should use condoms...

2. the father should voice his opinion or preferences, but has to be aware of point 1...

3. pro-life can come to the picture only if the mother decides to go with the pregnancy and if they will take the full responsibility for the child... words are cheap... a child's expenses are not...

[genericname85]

it's 100% a womans decision to get pregnant in the first place. she could choose not to get pregnant. why if you 100% choose to get pregnant is it also 100% ok to choosse to kill the baby you made fully willing?

[DangerouslyCute]

@genericname85 getting pregnant is shared responsibility... both partners have tools not to make it happen...

but the pregnancy and childbirth are things only woman can do... thus it's her decision...

[genericname85]

ok. so you agree it's your responsibility (your as in the father and the mother) that the baby is there in the first place. so why then is it ok to be able to kill the baby if you decide for it to be there in the first place?

[DangerouslyCute]

@genericname85 as BOTH PARTNERS have tools to avoid pregnancy - getting pregnant is shared decision and responsibility

because ONLY WOMAN can carry the child, it's her decision and responsibility

before sex a lot of communication is needed to avoid not nice situations

[genericname85]

ok so the woman carries the child. so then it's her responsibility only then?

[DangerouslyCute]

@genericname85 how a man can take responsibility for that? will he carry the child? will he give a birth to the child? will he risk his health and sometimes even life?

no?

so it's her decision and responsibility... if she decides to keep the child... he can help and support her, but he can't do any of the things she has to go through...

[genericname85]

ok so i'm not missunderstanding you right? you are saying a man has 50% of the responsibility in making the child in the first place but then 0% responsibility after that when it grows in the moms body. i'm not missrepresenting what you said there right? you're saying men are losing all responsibility for their child at that point?

[DangerouslyCute]

@genericname85 no, I'm saying that the pregnancy and childbirth are done ONLY by women, so they decide if they want to go through that

the child is both parents responsibility, but as only woman is set to take 100% of risk for bringing the child to the world it's her decision and only hers

if she decides she doesn't want to, both parents cover abortion

if she decides she wants to, both parents take responsibility for the new life

and if a man doesn't want to be set in this situation should use condoms

is it clear enough?

[genericname85]

well the reason i'm asking to clarify is cause it's the mans and the womans child all the time, not "some" of the time right? like the father doesn't stop being the father while the mother is pregnant and i am sort of expecting you to say that once the child is born, the father will get his 50% responsibility back, which is fucked up, cause that way, you switch responsibility around according to what's more convenient to yourself. cause that would men women get to unilaterally decide and basically take 100% of the decision even tho they should only have 50%. cause without the dad they wouldn't have been pregnant to begin with and also they are relying on the dad to support during and after the pregnancy as well. so you're cherry picking responsibility.

[genericname85]

that would mean***

[DangerouslyCute]

@genericname85 again... because ONLY woman can go through pregnancy and childbirth she has a deciding voice...

that's why I said if a man doesn't want to be in this situation should use condoms or have sex ONLY with a woman who is sure she will keep his child...

planning is a part of being a responsible parent

[genericname85]

well then it would only be fair if after birth the women would carry the burden of caring for the child alone, if they decided alone whether it's gonna be there or not.

[DangerouslyCute]

@genericname85 you know it doesn't work that way :D

if you want to have a child you have to find a woman who will do it for you and you take the responsibility, especially financial but also emotional, throught the whole pregnancy and childbirth

after this you get additional responsibility, you need to commit time into taking care of the child and splitting house chores...

and the fact, that woman can decline carrying your child doesn't change the responsibility you face

[genericname85]

well you can't just "unfather" a father and then "refather" him whenever it's convenient for you personally. it's both peoples child. both peoples responsibility. yes it's gonna grow in your body cause that's how biology works but that doesn't mean you get to decide alone unless you wanna raise it alone.

[genericname85]

like how'd you feel if a man just gets to kill your baby if he didn't want to take care of it later? would you like that?

[msmissydc]

I have never actually met or talked to a pro-lifer. Most self-proclaimed pro-lifers turn out to be forced birthers; they don't care about anything after birth. Or they turn out to be just pro-choice people who made the CHOICE to not have abortions themselves. The third option is not even pro-life; they just straight up say they want to control women and take their rights.

[katiesmuff]

Pro-life is about ignorant bible thumping snobs that think should be the way it is and women other than them are just useless meat to become baby manufacturing facilities. These are the persons who you will see with their nose in someone else's business no matter what the subject may be.

[blackeagle007]

Damn right. It’s religious fanatics they do nothing but read an old book. Reminds of the show “700 club” old guy on there loves the jell out of dumbass trump

[SmokinAces2000]

Your opinion shouldn’t matter. Neither should the women that aren’t pregnant. How are you going to have an opinion on whether someone else should be able to control what grows in their body. If you want to “protect life” then don’t get abortions. If you’re advocating for abortion to be illegal then you are controlling women.

[Pohjolan]

Laws restricting people's choices are always controlling and if it's restricting only one gender then its controlling that gender only.

It's not that men's opinion don't matter but its natural that people affected negatively by a particular law are pissed by people not affected by it pushing for it.

Like say gun owners pissed by non-gun owners pushing for banning a particular kind of rifle because it looks scary.

[Chazmatazz269]

It’s a much more nuanced issue than that; especially for me. However, i generally agree.

[AngryCarl2]

The Pro-Life goons don't even care if the mother dies in childbirth as long as they get another useless bundle of cells to coo over.

[Anonymous]

I partially disagree.

I agree with this: "Being a Man Doesn’t Mean Your Opinion Shouldn't Matter".

I disagree with religious fanatics.

[beefcakebradybatson]

The second is partially right, the first, utter BS.

[Ariesman81]

If protecting life means some women need to be controlled... then women need to be controlled

[OlderAndWiser]

Amen, brother!

[Twalli]

It doesn't allow a woman to choose