Here's the thing man--the civilized world has improved to such an extent that there's really very little danger left in it. We're no longer living on the savannah where men had to fend of lions and other predators. We aren't even living in the Middle Ages where the next pillaging army was always just around the corner. (That's partly why all the shit going down in Ukraine has caught everyone off guard--here we were all being told that the world would end in 12 years because we drive too much and now we're seeing that the REAL risk in the world is freaking war--especially one that could go nuclear).
Anyway, the "arrangement" of what men provided to their women (and families) changed from "protection" to "financial safety" as we continued to civilize. But today even that is less of a concern. The push toward the massive welfare state with Universal Basic Income kind of obviates the need for men to provide for the family. Now people get scandalized if GOVERNMENT doesn't provide everyone with free education, free healthcare, free food, free housing--you name it.
Where does it all lead? Fuck if I know! I think it still makes sense to be the best man you can be, but you've got to keep an eye out and make sure you always have options in the dating scene. Be generous, but always protect your personal economic interest. Be loving, but always be ready to jump back in to attracting and dating new girls. Basically, learn to identify and manage your risk.
Yes I agree however… women don’t like being told what to do. Men just go with it. I wanna see what happens if ww3 does break out and how women handle being on the front lines.
I’m genuinely curious what’s going to happen to society with men and women hating each other so much. Sure we still have a million births a year here in the states however what many people don’t understand is when most of your populations very old and the next generations got such a huge game in age taxes slow significantly. This means the programs and luxuries we enjoy today will slower taper off and disappear. Welfare will be the first to go.
Humans are social creatures. Look at the rate of suicide in our children with covid lockdowns today. Men feeling hated and unappreciated women feeling unable to find a man that’s equal to her or tried of being objectified. Suicides going to go up. People will become more depressed and suffer. Many many MANY women will regret defending feminism and men will regret being redpill. Loneliness can kill you. Broken heart syndrome is a real thing…
But as long as women are free they will ignore their desire for a good man and never settle for their pride… they will pick bad men again and again wondering why all men suck when it’s them… they suck at picking good men.
And men… y’all fuck boys spreading your oats lol. Ya gonna die alone old and unloved. How can a real man sit there and allow a woman to be raped in the middle of the day and still call himself a man? I get it I’m not about to risk myself for someone that hates me either but I also can’t look myself in the eye in a mirror after…
Look at how disgusting you all are being. It’s no wonder I wish society death. You all just need to suffer and die. None of you are worth the blueprint you were built from.
I think everything is much simpler.
I am not sure what kind of degradation you are talking about, I think both couples should protect each other and both of us should make home together, just like birds building their nests.
We only have one expected role by mother nature - to reproduce and keep the bloodline going. Everything other than that - changes time by time.
The reason, men are usually more aggressive and dominant is their physiology, they need to be aggressive and dominant to reproduce.
However, we are all individuals and we are different. My boyfriend is strong, protective and dominant, but he likes me to be smart, strong and independent too and we don’t degrade each other, we encourage each other. I don’t try to make him more civilized, I love him for who he is.
Made is a confusing word... but I'd say it's instinctual for men to protect women
But it is also instinctual for women to TRY to protect men.. whoever is stronger may naturally emerge as protector.
A mother protecting her son... a daughter protecting her old father...
A son protecting his old mom
a man protecting his wife
More often men protect better for various reasons. And if a woman is calm, and not violent she will try to civilize the man. TRY is the word. But if you look at history, some evil queens were sneaky and secretive and using their influence over men to carry out their uncivilised deeds and did a few for themselves.
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No. Seems far too one sided. Men have to protect the women and women get to domesticate the men? Seems like the women get far too much and the men get nothing beneficial unless the women truly cares. And we all as a society make the mistake that all women are these perfect caring creatures that can't do any wrong. 😂 I mean, look how Will Smith's domesticater prompted him to do and how do you think that made him look in front of the entire world? While she just sat there smirking. It's almost as if men are handing themselves over to these women to be their slaves. Allowing said women to tern them into their personal attack dogs and rarely ever giving him a treat. But in smith's case she goes out and gives said treat to someone she isn't domesticating
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You shouldn't need a romantic partner to become a properly functioning adult.
What if men didn't exist? Do you think women would've died out because they couldn't protect themselves?
What if women didn't exist? Do you think men would've all killed each other because they couldn't become civilized?
Humans are humans. Your sex doesn't make you responsible for civilizing or protecting anyone else, and it doesn't make you not responsible for civilizing or protecting yourself. That's stupid.
No. I'd say that there's two types of men. Traditional & non-traditional. Same with women. A traditional man should protect a traditional women. Outside of that a guy is foolish to protect a woman. She's basically trying to be a man anyhow so let her have her wish.
Far as women civilizing men. Oh, please. Women are incapable of raising a boy into being a traditional man -- in other words, a man with self-control and the ability to tame his emotions. He always needs positive male role models to get there. Probably why in ancient times women were only allowed to raise a boy to age 4 and after that men took over raising him.
Yes and No. Both of these things you could argue are necessary for the opposite genders to do for each other to some extent. I wouldn't say that men were made to protect women, but that of course comes with the territory and they should where the situation warrants it.
And women weren't made to civilize men, but women who are cultivated and have real value - not these types out here who love bad boys and think they can change them - will of course want a man of the same cloth, and will correct him where necessary if she sees he needs to be a little more mannered in the way he does or says something. That's why I feel it's important for a lot of guys to have a close female friend because they can learn some good and interesting things from a woman as a friend. But not trying to have a female friend in the hopes that she'll like him and want to fuck.
But all in all, I think that statement bears truth but to a certain degree.
I think so by instinct sorta. I still protect at times regardless of current times. I don't like it due to the current culture. I shouldn't be doing it. I'm told by men and women not to. So I get confused. Culture changed, and what I trained to be doesn't line up.
I did things in the past year, that no woman has seen before, yet these things are so common during my early teens. I get shocked to self, and everyone just looks like they saw a scene from a movie, yet in shock, confusion themselves. It was some interesting experiences, and it doesn't pay off either. It becomes like, a mob. It's like no one knows how to react to said situations.
We evolved, we weren't made by someone (unless you count sex).
But terms aside, protective qualities of make humans evolved not for protecting, but for killing prey.
The side effect is that we could use that power to protect the family we brought that prey home to.
Now to civilize someone is to move them away from hunter gatherer self sifficiency, and to put them into a community where they depend on others to survive but don't need to hunt, because hey we have crops and animal farms now, I'll grow this if you raise that.
So pick one, the protective murderous steroid jacked hulk, or the intelligent civilized man, you can't have your cake and eat it to.
male humans* not make humans.
Perhaps that was the intended original use yeah lol
Its very rare for me to see a woman who I find so distinguished and classy that I want to learn from her / emulate her. It happens, I know a few. But very very few.
Most are ok, and a large minority are not.
But on the other hand, as far as protection goes, I'm not an A class fighter, I'd probably hit the floor after getting hit in the jaw lol. So you know, the other way round is true for them as far as this particular sentence goes I guess.
No women taught me on how to become civilized and who said that all women are civilized?
A men protects his wife and family because he is simply the strongest in the family and it's his duty as the head of the house to make sure that all his family members are safe and comfortable and at the same time the wife protects her husband when it comes to health and mental stability, also she will be the fuel for her man to be able to handle life and also if her man was in a dangerous situation, she has her ways to protect him too, there is balance between both...
F*ck. That! That's like saying "a woman's only place is in the bedroom."
Men and women were made to compliment each other and help each other survive (in my opinion). Otherwise, modern science would've just figured out how we can reproduce asexually and we would've gotten rid of women a long time ago. It hasn't happened though (yet), so men and women are supposed to be there for each other. Good luck finding that in 2022, though...
I have never heard that women are supposed to civilize men. I think that was their parents job as he grows up. I think if men want to be our protectors, then you must remember that all men are not capable of doing that not only for a woman, but for themselves. I have heard of woman taming a man, but not civilize him. I and an older woman and still have never heard of civilizing a man. This must be from the newer generations. 🤷🏼♀️
Men ain't pets that need to be trained to behave normal human being who harms noone aka to become civilized
and men ain't bodyguards for women. Yes men are physically stronger but i dont expect from men to protect me because i am not entitled to it-yes it is very attractive and cute when a man wants to protect you but i am still not entitled to it 😅
*protects you*
? . what lol
Just being facetious :p
Protecting someone smaller than you from being wronged is just the right thing to do. No one should put their hands on someone else unless they are defending themselves.
Women don’t have an obligation to civilize men but in general you become more like the people you spend time with. Men and women are designed to complement each other.
No, I don't agree with any statement saying men or women are made for something specific. Maybe majority of men want to protect women, but some do not and that is not a problem, because there are also some women who want to protect men, or men who wants to protect other men (without necessarily being a romantic/sexual relation).
"women were made to civilize men" If that's true they are doing a terrible job of it. If you look at nature, one of the main reasons males fight is over the females. Some women actually enjoy to see men fight over them, although I agree women should at least try to civilize men instead of driving them to violence.
i think losers on this website need to stop obsessing over gender roles in an imaginary society of the 1950s and really get out there to meet modern people. why don't you go out there to look for a woman to protect rather than talking about it?
I agree! This pushes a completely retrograde idea about both men and women! That women can't protect themselves and that men are inherently uncivilised.
Although I don't think men should "go out there and look for a woman to protect". Women can protect themselves, and men shouldn't bother themselves with it.
@RandoMcDando
The men on GAG are losers. They have no women to protect. Know who you’re talking to
lol so not having a woman automatically makes a man a "loser"? I don't think that's a very healthy opinion. And I don't think it will produce healthy men. Surely women wouldn't want a guy who thinks so little of himself simply for not having a girlfriend?
@RandoMcDando
The guys who are on here are all bitter , sad, angry , frustrated men who can’t get a date. This is why you see so many of them starting gender wars , shitting on women by telling them they lose their value as human beings by the time she turns 30.
Do you think all these things are what “cool” people would need to do? Come online to constantly put down other people for no reason?
DISAGREE.
Off the bat.. if he doesn’t protect his woman he’s not civilized. PERIOD.
You as a woman are nobody’s therapist psychologist, psychiatrist, father or mother or educator.
You as his woman, are not responsible for the bad behavior of a man. HE IS.
Thats why the term “I can change him, I can fix him” , “I’m not like the rest of those women”.
Is so flawwwwed beyond reason.
Do not take those terms seriously! They’re there to destroy you. If a grown man is impulsive, reckless, immoral or mindless. Run for the hills! Because he needs to be responsible and held accountable for his own actions/ behavior. Not YOU!
Didn't really have to do with the question but ok.
@thatdude091699
You said “
(Do you agree with the statement "men were made to protect women, and women were made to civilize men"?)
And I. Saying ; NO THEYRE NOT BECAUSE A, B , C & D
Sadly it seems to me men are the ones hurting women the most. If they are protectors they should stop hurting women first.
Although I would say both sides should look out for each other, not one side does it for the other.
No since civilization was started by men and thus "civility" is not dependent on women. I'd say Aristotle for instance or Plato we're rather civilized. Meanwhile up in Germania and Sarmatia the women were making human sacrifices in blood cults and shooting down fleeing victims from horseback with their composite bows. Men generally protect women because they intend to breed them and have them be a vessel for their legacies.
God made both genders with little difference.
Men are physically mentally and socially strong then women. Meanwhile women are weak then men physically and emotionally. It's men responsibility to take care women in all field of life.
Women are beautiful creation of god. Women's can civilized man and their whole family like children.
No women want to make the man protect them. But there is nothing civilized about how they treat men today. Men has always civilized themselves as a group, it doesn't originate from women at all. So there isn't anything in that statement that true.
Disagree. I can mostly protect myself. And if he needs me to civilise him, then it's time for him to go back to the cave where he belongs.
To a degree yes. Women protect men in different ways, that men protect us. But we both need each other.
Well said but only some women makes their en civilized but also some men made their women civilized too...
I strongly disagree with this statement. They can protect and "civilize" each other in many ways. This remark is extremely sexist and puts pressure on both genders.
This may have been the case 70 years ago. Now? Women have "civilized" men in to not wanting to have anything to do with marriage or relationships. Hell, most modern women act more like men than men do. Maybe they need to be civilized too.
I think there's an element of truth to the statement, but the statement itself isn't the entire truth. Men can civilise other men given the right milieu, and women can be fierce protectors, as seen in women who lift cars off their kids for instance.
We are all meant to work together, as it works out for us. Each relationship is unique, just like the people in them.
I agree. Men are rash, violent, primal, and instinctive, while women are cunning and complex. We balance each other, make each other whole men have the strength while women have brains. One can't survive without the other.
Maybe in the past before the appearance of capitalism, but not nowadays. Nowadays men and women have only one purpose in life - men to put as many women as they can in their beds, women to drain as many men's pockets as they can.
I mean one could think that. But it don't work as anything proves, guys just end up abusing the women there so called protecting.
no. but only on a very pedantic note: they weren't "made" like that. this setup just happens to have emerged as the most effective for human survival after hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
i reject "made" as a term, cause that implies intend. evolution has no "intend". it's a completely chaotic process that solely relies on randomness and chance combined with environmental factors.
Hell no. You're basically call all men savages who can only be tamed by women. I'm pretty sure whoever said that wanted to lure women into paying for bs courses and books about men.
Civilize us?
Yes. It is unfair if only one is required to do their part.
So given how women want equality, you're gonna have to start protecting yourselves because men are no longer obligated to.
I am not a tool, nor anyone's tool. That's the first thing I agree on.
These stupid gender rules are all outdated. Barely any young people even want to get married or have a family. Just trying to date, have an enjoyable sex life, maybe get into a relationship.
While it is more than complicated, I generally agree.
Yes, that sounds pretty reasonable although I suspect most would not agree.
It may be a little exaggeratory but I guess there's some truth to it in a way, if we're broadly speaking.
That's extremely inaccurate. I would say men were made to provide for women and women were made to raise children.
I agree with the original question, but I don't agree with the update.
You should ask this question of the women of Ukraine.
It's an oversimplification, but there is some truth to it.
If I love a girl and she loves me, we support each other and look out for each other. If someone isn't civilized there is something wrong in the first place and they shouldn't be in a relationship.
Those were ancient gender rolls from Tens of thousands of years ago.
Not so much protecting, more like providing.
But in general, by nature? Yeah, that's obvious.
Women aren't civilized anymore so how they going to civilize a man?
No. Those are nonsense labels. We are just human beings
if that's nonsense labels, then why do women have more fat percentage and men more muscle percentage in their body as a direct consequence of genetically inherited testosterone levels that differ vastly between men and women?
or to ask less convoluted: why is it that men are physically stronger then?
@genericname85 because when we were still in caves, men hunted and women were scavengers. Are we still living in caves?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 well how fast do you think evolution is? it has only been the case that men don't physically "needed" to be stronger than women for humanity to survive after the industrial revolution... cause men and women are equally able to push a button or pull a lever. but since then only 200 years have passed. that's like 15 generations of people. the modern human had no major changes in the last roughly 200.000 years... that's 13.000 generations of people with no significant change.
believe it or not. but "having food and surviving" was still a big thing only 100 years ago. we live in quite fortunate times. like the ammount of wealth and technology we have is unprecidented in human history.
here's a graph reresenting what i mean. www.thealternative.org.uk/.../one-graph-of-human-history
and even that graph only represents the last like 2% of the entire time of human existence.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 the single breadwinner household was still the predominant model in the first world countries still to only just 50 years ago. meaning men did have to do the work and women stayed at home. that didn't end with leaving the caves dude XD
@genericname85 I didn't said that men are not stronger than women. We are.
But on the society we have today, there is no need for violence on a daily basis. Which is good. Is called progress.
@genericname85 Many women are the breadwinners nowadays, we dont need that much protection and some men are still not civilized, so that is kind of ridiculous tbh
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 oh. yeah. true. i agree.
@anonymous yes i know women are breadwinners nowadays. but as i just said, that is a development that only took place within the last 50 years. even in my freaking grandpas generation it was highly abnormal for women to actually be breadwinners. evolution won't change that fast, that's why we're still biologically set up like that. and this isn't "nonsense". everyone can see that this is still the case :D
@genericname85 this is generic talk. Men generaly are stronger. Yes. But so what? Let people be what they want. If a man wants to be a stay at home dad and a woman a powerlifter, why not?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 so the saying "men were made to protect women, and women were made to civilize men" still stands. cause that's what evolution made them for. it doesn't account for the fact that this is currently not necessary.
cause evolution isn't that fast.
@genericname85 in no animal, and we are animals, are women expected to civilize men.
Maybe at it's base. It's much more complicated than that.
It’s all about money.. both will do anything for money. Nothing more nothing less.. there is no difference between men and women when it comes to money$$
if there is a real man.. it looks like they all are looking for a sugar mama
Men and women should protect each other…..
By your logic us man are animals? Civilize man? WTF? That's the parents job... GTFO with your caveman mentality.
No as that implies there is a maker.
No , I'm not to do shit for a man
Go extinct then. Don't reproduce
Who cares no one needs you guys. Crawl under a rock 🪨
No one cares if you don't reproduce. So don't do it.
@maverick2022 u care that's why you're commenting on my comment. Get a life
u care that's why you're commenting on my comment
Lmao girl 💀 why is it everytime I see you I crack up 😂
@Sincerly_KittyCat 🤣🤣 these dudes like @maverick2022 wanna be a woman so bad it's hilarious.
I agree with it to a degree.
I don’t think people are made for anything
No, of course not. Complete nonsense.
This actually sounds reasonable.
Sure. But made by society.
Men and women should protect each other.
Yes according to my religion
You read the bible?
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