Here's the thing man--the civilized world has improved to such an extent that there's really very little danger left in it. We're no longer living on the savannah where men had to fend of lions and other predators. We aren't even living in the Middle Ages where the next pillaging army was always just around the corner. (That's partly why all the shit going down in Ukraine has caught everyone off guard--here we were all being told that the world would end in 12 years because we drive too much and now we're seeing that the REAL risk in the world is freaking war--especially one that could go nuclear).
Anyway, the "arrangement" of what men provided to their women (and families) changed from "protection" to "financial safety" as we continued to civilize. But today even that is less of a concern. The push toward the massive welfare state with Universal Basic Income kind of obviates the need for men to provide for the family. Now people get scandalized if GOVERNMENT doesn't provide everyone with free education, free healthcare, free food, free housing--you name it.
Where does it all lead? Fuck if I know! I think it still makes sense to be the best man you can be, but you've got to keep an eye out and make sure you always have options in the dating scene. Be generous, but always protect your personal economic interest. Be loving, but always be ready to jump back in to attracting and dating new girls. Basically, learn to identify and manage your risk.
Yes I agree however… women don’t like being told what to do. Men just go with it. I wanna see what happens if ww3 does break out and how women handle being on the front lines.
I’m genuinely curious what’s going to happen to society with men and women hating each other so much. Sure we still have a million births a year here in the states however what many people don’t understand is when most of your populations very old and the next generations got such a huge game in age taxes slow significantly. This means the programs and luxuries we enjoy today will slower taper off and disappear. Welfare will be the first to go.
Humans are social creatures. Look at the rate of suicide in our children with covid lockdowns today. Men feeling hated and unappreciated women feeling unable to find a man that’s equal to her or tried of being objectified. Suicides going to go up. People will become more depressed and suffer. Many many MANY women will regret defending feminism and men will regret being redpill. Loneliness can kill you. Broken heart syndrome is a real thing…
But as long as women are free they will ignore their desire for a good man and never settle for their pride… they will pick bad men again and again wondering why all men suck when it’s them… they suck at picking good men.
And men… y’all fuck boys spreading your oats lol. Ya gonna die alone old and unloved. How can a real man sit there and allow a woman to be raped in the middle of the day and still call himself a man? I get it I’m not about to risk myself for someone that hates me either but I also can’t look myself in the eye in a mirror after…
Look at how disgusting you all are being. It’s no wonder I wish society death. You all just need to suffer and die. None of you are worth the blueprint you were built from.
I think everything is much simpler.
I am not sure what kind of degradation you are talking about, I think both couples should protect each other and both of us should make home together, just like birds building their nests.
We only have one expected role by mother nature - to reproduce and keep the bloodline going. Everything other than that - changes time by time.
The reason, men are usually more aggressive and dominant is their physiology, they need to be aggressive and dominant to reproduce.
However, we are all individuals and we are different. My boyfriend is strong, protective and dominant, but he likes me to be smart, strong and independent too and we don’t degrade each other, we encourage each other. I don’t try to make him more civilized, I love him for who he is.
Made is a confusing word... but I'd say it's instinctual for men to protect women
But it is also instinctual for women to TRY to protect men.. whoever is stronger may naturally emerge as protector.
A mother protecting her son... a daughter protecting her old father...
A son protecting his old mom
a man protecting his wife
More often men protect better for various reasons. And if a woman is calm, and not violent she will try to civilize the man. TRY is the word. But if you look at history, some evil queens were sneaky and secretive and using their influence over men to carry out their uncivilised deeds and did a few for themselves.
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No. Seems far too one sided. Men have to protect the women and women get to domesticate the men? Seems like the women get far too much and the men get nothing beneficial unless the women truly cares. And we all as a society make the mistake that all women are these perfect caring creatures that can't do any wrong. 😂 I mean, look how Will Smith's domesticater prompted him to do and how do you think that made him look in front of the entire world? While she just sat there smirking. It's almost as if men are handing themselves over to these women to be their slaves. Allowing said women to tern them into their personal attack dogs and rarely ever giving him a treat. But in smith's case she goes out and gives said treat to someone she isn't domesticating
No. I'd say that there's two types of men. Traditional & non-traditional. Same with women. A traditional man should protect a traditional women. Outside of that a guy is foolish to protect a woman. She's basically trying to be a man anyhow so let her have her wish.
Far as women civilizing men. Oh, please. Women are incapable of raising a boy into being a traditional man -- in other words, a man with self-control and the ability to tame his emotions. He always needs positive male role models to get there. Probably why in ancient times women were only allowed to raise a boy to age 4 and after that men took over raising him.
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You shouldn't need a romantic partner to become a properly functioning adult.
What if men didn't exist? Do you think women would've died out because they couldn't protect themselves?
What if women didn't exist? Do you think men would've all killed each other because they couldn't become civilized?
Humans are humans. Your sex doesn't make you responsible for civilizing or protecting anyone else, and it doesn't make you not responsible for civilizing or protecting yourself. That's stupid.
Yes and No. Both of these things you could argue are necessary for the opposite genders to do for each other to some extent. I wouldn't say that men were made to protect women, but that of course comes with the territory and they should where the situation warrants it.
And women weren't made to civilize men, but women who are cultivated and have real value - not these types out here who love bad boys and think they can change them - will of course want a man of the same cloth, and will correct him where necessary if she sees he needs to be a little more mannered in the way he does or says something. That's why I feel it's important for a lot of guys to have a close female friend because they can learn some good and interesting things from a woman as a friend. But not trying to have a female friend in the hopes that she'll like him and want to fuck.
But all in all, I think that statement bears truth but to a certain degree.
I think so by instinct sorta. I still protect at times regardless of current times. I don't like it due to the current culture. I shouldn't be doing it. I'm told by men and women not to. So I get confused. Culture changed, and what I trained to be doesn't line up.
I did things in the past year, that no woman has seen before, yet these things are so common during my early teens. I get shocked to self, and everyone just looks like they saw a scene from a movie, yet in shock, confusion themselves. It was some interesting experiences, and it doesn't pay off either. It becomes like, a mob. It's like no one knows how to react to said situations.
We evolved, we weren't made by someone (unless you count sex).
But terms aside, protective qualities of make humans evolved not for protecting, but for killing prey.
The side effect is that we could use that power to protect the family we brought that prey home to.
Now to civilize someone is to move them away from hunter gatherer self sifficiency, and to put them into a community where they depend on others to survive but don't need to hunt, because hey we have crops and animal farms now, I'll grow this if you raise that.
So pick one, the protective murderous steroid jacked hulk, or the intelligent civilized man, you can't have your cake and eat it to.
Perhaps that was the intended original use yeah lol
Its very rare for me to see a woman who I find so distinguished and classy that I want to learn from her / emulate her. It happens, I know a few. But very very few.
Most are ok, and a large minority are not.
But on the other hand, as far as protection goes, I'm not an A class fighter, I'd probably hit the floor after getting hit in the jaw lol. So you know, the other way round is true for them as far as this particular sentence goes I guess.
No women taught me on how to become civilized and who said that all women are civilized?
A men protects his wife and family because he is simply the strongest in the family and it's his duty as the head of the house to make sure that all his family members are safe and comfortable and at the same time the wife protects her husband when it comes to health and mental stability, also she will be the fuel for her man to be able to handle life and also if her man was in a dangerous situation, she has her ways to protect him too, there is balance between both...
F*ck. That! That's like saying "a woman's only place is in the bedroom."
Men and women were made to compliment each other and help each other survive (in my opinion). Otherwise, modern science would've just figured out how we can reproduce asexually and we would've gotten rid of women a long time ago. It hasn't happened though (yet), so men and women are supposed to be there for each other. Good luck finding that in 2022, though...
DISAGREE.
Off the bat.. if he doesn’t protect his woman he’s not civilized. PERIOD.
You as a woman are nobody’s therapist psychologist, psychiatrist, father or mother or educator.
You as his woman, are not responsible for the bad behavior of a man. HE IS.
Thats why the term “I can change him, I can fix him” , “I’m not like the rest of those women”.
Is so flawwwwed beyond reason.
Do not take those terms seriously! They’re there to destroy you. If a grown man is impulsive, reckless, immoral or mindless. Run for the hills! Because he needs to be responsible and held accountable for his own actions/ behavior. Not YOU!
I have never heard that women are supposed to civilize men. I think that was their parents job as he grows up. I think if men want to be our protectors, then you must remember that all men are not capable of doing that not only for a woman, but for themselves. I have heard of woman taming a man, but not civilize him. I and an older woman and still have never heard of civilizing a man. This must be from the newer generations. 🤷🏼♀️
Men ain't pets that need to be trained to behave normal human being who harms noone aka to become civilized
and men ain't bodyguards for women. Yes men are physically stronger but i dont expect from men to protect me because i am not entitled to it-yes it is very attractive and cute when a man wants to protect you but i am still not entitled to it 😅
Protecting someone smaller than you from being wronged is just the right thing to do. No one should put their hands on someone else unless they are defending themselves.
Women don’t have an obligation to civilize men but in general you become more like the people you spend time with. Men and women are designed to complement each other.
No, I don't agree with any statement saying men or women are made for something specific. Maybe majority of men want to protect women, but some do not and that is not a problem, because there are also some women who want to protect men, or men who wants to protect other men (without necessarily being a romantic/sexual relation).
"women were made to civilize men" If that's true they are doing a terrible job of it. If you look at nature, one of the main reasons males fight is over the females. Some women actually enjoy to see men fight over them, although I agree women should at least try to civilize men instead of driving them to violence.
i think losers on this website need to stop obsessing over gender roles in an imaginary society of the 1950s and really get out there to meet modern people. why don't you go out there to look for a woman to protect rather than talking about it?
Sadly it seems to me men are the ones hurting women the most. If they are protectors they should stop hurting women first.
Although I would say both sides should look out for each other, not one side does it for the other.
No since civilization was started by men and thus "civility" is not dependent on women. I'd say Aristotle for instance or Plato we're rather civilized. Meanwhile up in Germania and Sarmatia the women were making human sacrifices in blood cults and shooting down fleeing victims from horseback with their composite bows. Men generally protect women because they intend to breed them and have them be a vessel for their legacies.
God made both genders with little difference.
Men are physically mentally and socially strong then women. Meanwhile women are weak then men physically and emotionally. It's men responsibility to take care women in all field of life.
Women are beautiful creation of god. Women's can civilized man and their whole family like children.
No women want to make the man protect them. But there is nothing civilized about how they treat men today. Men has always civilized themselves as a group, it doesn't originate from women at all. So there isn't anything in that statement that true.
