Are you in favor of birthright citizenship regardless of the parents legal status in your country or against it and why? ?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I personally think birthright citizenship is pure stupidity and a great way to give your country's identity away to foreigners.

I support birthright citizenship regardless of parents legal status.

I'm against birthright citizenship even if one parent is a citizen.

I support birthright citizenship if at least one parent is a citizen.

I only support birthright citizenship if both parents of a child are citizens.

Other.

[OneViewpoint]

Here's a quick AI generated summary of the original intent of Birthright Citizenship.

Per Google's AI

Birthright citizenship was established to guarantee equal rights for formerly enslaved Black Americans and to overturn the Supreme Court's 1857 Dred Scott v. Sandford decision, which had declared that Black people could not be citizens. It is enshrined in Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, which was ratified in 1868.

Core Reasons for Its Creation
Overturning Dred Scott: The infamous Dred Scott ruling decided that Black people (whether free or enslaved) were not part of the "people" who were citizens under the Constitution. The 14th Amendment was explicitly written to reject this and establish a baseline rule that all people born on U. S. soil are citizens.
Equal Protection & Integration: Lawmakers wanted to ensure that formerly enslaved people were fully recognized as citizens with equal protections under the law, preventing Southern states from creating a permanent, vulnerable, second-class caste system.
Reuniting the Nation: Following the Civil War, the newly established citizenship rules were a critical step in the Reconstruction era to unify the country by removing the question of who holds citizenship from political manipulation.

End of AI Summary

Birthright Citizenship was never intended as a way for crafty foreigners to circumvent US immigration policy by showing up on a travel visa 2 weeks before a kid's due date and dropping the baby on US soil to skip the immigration line. That is bullshit and spits in the face of every immigrant who stands in line to enter this country legally.

Birthright Citizenship was a "one time use" mechanism used to correct a fundamental flaw in US society and the Constitution and bring us into alignment with English Common law of the time. The children of parents here on a work, travel, or education visa, or illegally, should apply to their home country for citizenship on behalf of their newborn children. The US should assist by supplying all necessary documentation of the child's birth.

[Chazmatazz269]

If you read between the lines, you’ll notice that the challenges to birthright citizenship have nothing to do with citizenship. If a person comes to the US in order to CONTRIBUTE, then i’m in favor of them becoming a citizen. If they are just slipping in to get access to entitlement programs, f*ck them out the door. NOBODY who has never contributed should get to draw from taxpayer funded resources. Set up a crowdfunding account, go to a privately funded shelter, go to church, stand on a street corner and beg, whatever. Just keep your grubby mitts off MY earnings.

[Dargil]

Bingo.

[purplepoppy]

If a woman is legally working in a country its unrealistic to expect her not to have sex. Should she fall pregnant then the child should have duel citizenship.

But if a woman comes here around her due date then it's pretty clear what her intentions are. In this case no.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yeah, she can declare her child at her country's embassy.

[Dargil]

Any pregnant woman coming in through immigration, which is everyone that is not a citizen, should be turned around and sent home. And yes, we should pay for it.

[CrystalPeak]

The Constitution needs to be amended to get rid of birthright citizenship.

[Zack-Bann]

So what? Babies who don’t know anything, have no notion of border or citizenship will be born as countriless illegals just to protect some false notion of identity that hasn’t existed in over a hundred years?


What about their identity? Because birthright kids usually embrace the culture they are raised in way more than the ones their parents came from.
Most of them rebel against their parent’s insistence on living according to the culture of a place they’ve never known.
So they effectively uphold the identity of the land they are born in.
Why should they be denied citizenship?


I don’t approve of illegal immigration whatsoever.
As someone who broke my back to be an expat in a different country, studied and work and pay taxes through the nose, I hate the ones who give immigrants a bad name.


But I don’t think kids should pay for the sins of their parents.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Babies are raised and formed with the identity their parents' country they come from.

An Arab or Russian is going to raise their child with the values of Arabs and Russia before anything else.

[Zack-Bann]

Is there a statistic for that? Because it’s definitely not everyone, not even the majority

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You believe whatever BS some statistic says.

Common sense should tell you if someone comes from another country into a different country particularly as an adult, they are going to speak their native language at home, they are going to eat their native foods and stay with the vaules and customs they were born in and those things translates to their own biological children that was raised in that home since infancy.

[Zack-Bann]

You’re right I myself am an adult expat who immigrated to a different country at 22.
And somehow I fell in love with the local culture, I mastered the language, the clothing style, the food, the hobbies, all of it.
I may have a different childhood experience but I have no interest in changing this place into the one I came from.

And I’m not some unique anomaly.
I know plenty of people in my exact same situation.

So I don’t need a statistical BS to tell me I’m right, you make a good point about that

[darkcloud1945]

The child is not a citizen; it is a citizen of the country that the parent came from. If you want, you can set up crowdfunding to care for all the illegals allowed into this country illegally by the AMERICA LAST DEMOCRATS to take care of all their wants and needs from the money you raise to support your family and the illegal that you want, unvetted and not vaccinated. Childhood diseases that were wiped out in the 1940s and 1950s are back with a vengeance. Plus, making everyone a citizen is a slap in the face to all LEGAL immigrants who spent time and money doing so according to the law

[Zack-Bann]

I don’t disagree with stripping illegals of ALL forms of aid.

But their children asked for nothing, they didn’t cross a border illegally they just spawned there.

What homeland they claim is not yours to decide. They especially since they’ve never seen the land of their parents.

Citizenship is about loyalty and patriotism. And these kids can still be made into model citizens if they don’t grow up hated for existing

[darkcloud1945]

They were born to foreigners, not citizens of the USA. They [the child] are citizens of the country parents are citizens of. You can leave the loyalty and patriotism out when it comes to China; they ship pregnant women here near birth. They have a child who is an American citizen, go back to China and for 20 years has been taught America is bad, racism, etc. Then they come back as a citizen and expound communist bullshit. This happens about 120,000 a year.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Trying to take away birthright citizenship is un-American in my opinion.

Is it the best thing for the country in the world? Probably not. But it's a perfect representation of American values. You come here, survive until you can get some kind of footing. Maybe it's not entirely legitimate, but someone has to like you enough for it to happen. You have a kid and you're safe, you made it. Or at least your kid can.

The whole idea of this country is throwing a hail Mary and putting everything you have into making something work. Maybe at great personal risk, maybe only to support an idea or a feeling or someone you believe in. I think it's wrong to take out one of the oldest embodiments of that idea.

[darkcloud1945]

That is a really nice idea. Let us start by shipping unvetted, unvaccinated criminals illegally [anyone who entered illegally is a felon] here back to their home country. Let us find the 340,000 missing children allowed in this country by the Biden administration. THEN open the border points and investigate them one by one for the possibility of entering the USA legally, and not before. Also, we do not make those here already citizens for any reason.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

@darkcloud1945 there's a difference between birthright citizenship and open borders ya doofus.

[darkcloud1945]

Hit the wrong button, my bad

[Dargil]

A pregnant Chinese woman landing at LaGuardia, birthing and taking the baby go home as a US citizen was never under the jurisdiction of the USA. A Constitutional Amendment will be required for this. It should be put in effect and the 17th should be reversed. The Founders never anticipated either. We will need a Constitutional Convention. It is approaching.

[MrOracle]

Given this recent decision, I fully support the denial of visas for foreign pregnant women. This can largely be fixed with immigration policy, even if it requires ultrasounds for women who are suspected of being pregnant or are staying more than a month.

No one says we have to let them in in the first place.

[exitseven]

If one of the parents is a citizen it is okay. The law was designed to give former slaves citizens after slavery was abolished not as an end run to our immigration laws.

Now a woman puts one foot on American soil and drops off a baby she gets free everything for the rest of her life. No wonder they all are swarming here for the givaways.

[Anonymous]

A lot of people in the group clearly don't know about taxes if you were an American citizen.

If you are going to be a loser and suck up the subsidies of the American government, birthright citizenship is a good idea.

But if you actually have talent, birthright citizenship is a disaster. Your mommy or Dad has you in America, and you forever are in debt to American taxes, regardless of where you live, regardless of where you work, regardless if you've even been in America since you were born.

[Just_Ken]

No. There has to be control of the numbers.

[Anonymous]

WTF?"give your country's identity away to foreigners"? That's the very DEFINITION of the USA!!! We are a multiethnic, multiracial country!!! Where are your ancestors from "Hispanic-Cool-Guy"? Are you fucking joking? You sound like a fucking Nazi!!!

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Its common sense. Every country's has its own identity and culture.

Giving birthright citizenship to just anyone especially in the millions is a perfect to water down your country's identity and culture especially over a long period of time.

[Opinion Owner]

Really? Explain to me exactly what "American culture" and "American identity" is... since you think you're an expert!!!

[jjr23]

but no tourist or those illegally entered the country. and a different problem for the children many of parents home countries say there citizens of that country and as adults visit depending on the country can keep them nor recognizing us passport

[ThisSiteSux]

The time is now. Fund every single white European to have babies here and chain migrate every last white person from Europe. The Jews would really hate their backfire.

[fishbone77]

The original author of the amendment specifically called out that it wasn't meant to include foreigners, aliens, children of ambassadors, and foreign ministers.

[loveyouoak]

I'm against birthright citizenship even if one parent is a citizen.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Hell no. Members of the CCP can literally start giving birth in the US and applying to join the military

[Micheal6918]

It gives a new born the opportunity to learn the culture of that country when he or she grows up

[darkcloud1945]

If a Chinese child is born an American citizen and brought back to China for 20 years for indoctrination, where was the opportunity to learn the cultures? They are agents for the CCP. That's the only reason China does this

[jazzy34]

In favor. Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch can go STRAIGHT to hell.

[DirtyOldMan777]

Against birthright citizenship just because you were born here.

[FreyaRed]

A rat born in a stable isn't a horse

[FrodoSkywalker007]

It's been proven to be a disaster

[Iron_Man]

Were you born in Miami?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. I'm a immigrant.

[Iron_Man]

Oh ok

[SkimmingDetective]

Birth right is the ONLY way to citizenship