I think it's really unfair to ask this of him. It's okay if both want to fight, but when one does not then it shouldn't be such a big deal. Why stress a young fighter who was willing to take a default and avoid putting himself in that situation.
Putting the argument of boys being stronger than girls aside. Because she has clearly earned her way there beating other boys. What does he gain for this fight? If he wins then he beat a girl, and if he loses then he got beat by a girl. I could only imagine the mocking/redicule from his peers after.
Another topic, the body contact. If he was to fight and grab her boob, ass, groin area, etc it would be accepted in fighting. Does that mean he necessarily wants her body to be the first girl he touches? Maybe he has a girlfriend, and doesn't want to touch another girl? Or maybe he is worried he could accidentally get an erections while fighting, which wouldn't happen fighting with a partner you don't find attractive. There's many issues here, so I'm not sure why everyone focused on him defaulting when it really shouldn't have been organized and stressed in the first place.
Now returning to body builds of each sex, there is a reason women and men don't compete in the same category. A woman fighting a man, has all to gain and nothing to lose. Where its the opposite for the man fighting the woman.
Personal choice, I applaud him for standing by his religious convictions.
This is chivalry. Convictions aside, wrestling between men and women is actually quite unfair, physically to the women and mentally to the men.
1. Wrestling uses holds and grips to drive your opponent into submission. Along the process, you have to find your way to seal your opponent's movement and it's not uncommon to find your hands touching places which are rather risque. It's not just once or twice that you might accidentally touch your opponent's groin or chest by mistake.
2. A woman's muscle density will never rival a man's if they belong to the same class. In wrestling, weight plays major factor in determining one's advantage over the opponent, more so than height or arm reach. Once the female wrestle is seized, it will be difficult for her to escape while the male wrestle only need to exert less effort to do the same.
3. Whether he agrees to fight or not, he will still be branded as a chauvinist. If he agreed and he fought, some people will call him a sleazy person for trying to touch a woman's body under the pretext of sportsmanship. Unlike defaulting the match, he will suffer socially and we all know people are more stressed due to social reasons than professional reasons.
Chivalry. It does not matter how trained and strong a woman is. The female build is still by nature less psychically capable and enduring in comparison to the male on. An experienced and ripped male could do serious injury to in the heat of the moment.
It's good that there are still gentlemen.
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I remember being in college, a long time ago, and taking Taekwondo. Mixed gender, PE class. We did 'light' sparring, meaning you 'touch' or 'tap' rather than full-on punches and kicks with pads on.
There was this great lady in the class and we started talking because she said I look like her big brother. We were pretty good friends. The first time we did the sparring, she got paired with a football player about a foot taller, and more than double her weight. I was afraid for her, as she was my friend, and kept trying to watch, feeling a little protective, maybe. She was holding her own, and blocking, and avoiding well, and I got distracted with my own opponent, then suddenly there was a loud THUD! She had taken him down, accidentally, of course, because take-downs weren't allowed. Once we knew he was fine, several laughed.
She was really good, and fast, because of her size and often got in close, being small, and several of the 'big guys' tripped themselves up and fell. It became a joke, until none of the guys would spare with her!
We never got paired in the class, but sometimes practiced together, and I am a bigger guy, but watched her moves, and knew her 'tells' and wasn't over-confident like the others. Good fun!
I don't know why so many, today, underestimate so many women in sports, and things! Some have proven to be even better than men in many cases! Maybe this guy knew her, and was afraid she would take him, and he might be embarrassed?
I personally was raised not to touch women in inappropriate manners without their consent.
I'm religious, but I was taught manners.
It's nothing to do with feet's of gender strengths.
It has to do with boy, that chooses not to violate young ladies private spaces.
I don't see anything wrong with him, refusing.
Care and compassion are not chauvanist mentalities.
Bastardizing and over juding every thing has gotten out of control.
After all I saw an article about high school women are fighting to keep transgenders out of women track and field.
So one can not pick and choose when equality activates.
Equality is on fully or not.
This is not an restaurant menu, this is life.
Wakie wakie !
In closing, if she beats him, great,
Some women will laugh and be catty as society has seen.
Some will be compassionate and cheer for both people.
Some men will rag him and some will be kind.
If he beats her, boo , meanie.
Theirs no happy medium.
So chill, handle things respectfully, with out beating gender war drums.
Why does religion always have to be involved... Why can't a fucking non religious person be in these stories. It's bullshit.
I hats religion but I hate forcing all this gender diversity shit too. If I don't want to wrestle a girl, I'm not gonna. You can't make me. If you have a problem with that, fuck you. You are entitled to your opinion but that's it. An opinion. It does not make you right or better than me.
I used to box in middle and high school. In the summer between 9th and 10th grade this girl (we'll call her Stephanie) wanted to have a mock match with me. I knew her well. She was skilled and she was nice. But she was not going to last a minute with me. At this point I had secured 9 wins and had only 1 loss. 7 of them were knock out victories and 6 were first round victories. I refused to box her and she got mad told my coach and he laughed at her. He said and I qoute, "Rex I called the prehistoric predator for a reason. He hunts and he is good at it. Getting in the ring with you would require him to wear kid gloves. If you want to spar, that's fine, but an actual bout? Good luck getting up."
She never spoke to any of us after that and quit.
"It gets violent at times and you get put in compromising holds and positions and I just don't feel it's right that a boy should engage a girl in a manner like this."
Let me say, I have a ton of respect for this kid. He didn't believe it was RIGHT, and was willing to give up something he worked hard for in order to stick to those beliefs. If he'd somehow gained something from this then perhaps I'd be able to call this chauvinism, but he was completely self-sacrificial in what he did and it ended up benefitting the girl. I don't think you can rightly call that chauvinism. You can disagree with his values but that is all.
It was just common sense. He is a male, he has almost 60% greater upper body strength, 50% greater lower body strength, 25% thicker skin, substantially denser bones, greater pain tolerance etc. etc. If he screwed up and didn't put on the kid gloves (which would have made it an unfair match to begin with and given the wrong impression i. e. that women can compete against men in this type of sport) he could potentially have killed her. For example their was a female MMA fighter up against a transgender MMA fighter (who because of the hormone therapy was physically weaker then when she was a male) and she, the transgender fighter, fractured the woman's skull in a single hit. I believe it took only two strikes to bring the woman down and she had to be rushed to the hospital. Women are not men, they cannot stand up to men physically, this is not chauvinism, this is not chivalry, this is biological reality.
In reality it's a no win situation for a guy to compete against a woman.
"You don't want to fight her? What are you, scared that she'll beat you? Pussy."
"You want to fight a woman? Can't compete against men so you go against women who are weaker? Pussy."
"You won fighting a woman? What did you expect? Why even fight against her, you should be a man and fight other men. Pussy"
"YOU LOST AGAINST A WOMAN? Pathetic pussy."
Definitely sexist, but i dont really blame the guy. He's doing what his parents told him, for the reasons they told him to do it. He cheated someone who worked really fucking hard to get to a championship out of a legitimate chance to win. If i were that girl id rather get my ass kicked by a guy who was better than me then be handed a trophy i didn't earn. Some one who REALLY respected women would respect her competitive spirit and treat her like any other opponent.
Fuck that guys parents and whatever stupid religion he's a part of.
Why would a boy wrestler a girl and vice versa? I mean of course there are ladies who CAN beat guys but for what reason? I also understand taking things to the next level and being the best at what one can do but if a guy won or REALLY beat her, it would save a lot of hate and male dominant debate. Of course women and men should be able to compete but only against things like running, swimming, bowling, etc. but wrestling and fighting and boxing MA, hell no, NEVER
However, again, I can also understand why this would be considered sexist, unfair, chivalry or chauvinism. The lady wanted to compete and got a pity win, who wants that? The guy didn't want to hit a girl. It's all just complicated and the world just sucks period
Haha this is freaking funny, why? Cause no matter what he did it would be wrong !! Cause if he fought her and won
. It's cause he was a male if he fought and lost he would be laughed at cause he was beat up by a girl.. you know high school drama that always follows you cause people can't grow up and leave that crap behind. So he does the next best thing. Sorry I can't fight you ! So she gets pissed 😡 and now all others are questioning his resolve to fight her hahah.. it's disgusting how people will jump at anything that people. Do.. my guess is let's start reporting the reporters? Let's see how they like there lives there mistakes and there everything up there to the public and let them explain. Why they said no why they said yes and why they even went home when they did...
Neither it's just his personal/religious convictions and there's nothing wrong with that.
And to be completely honest it's a unfair match up for the girl anyway, she can't and wouldn't be able to match his strength and endurance.
And for the guy it's a no win situation for him because if he did fight her and won then the media would destroy him and his reputation saying he's a sexist and chauvinist and the media and their never ending tide of followers would follow and attack him wherever he went like they do to everyone.
And if he lost then he'd be made fun of and laughed at for losing to a girl in a sport where he has every advantage.
He did the right thing by taking himself out of it altogether.
Men and women shouldn't compete against one another it never ends well men have a biological and genetic advantage over women when it comes to the physical and we are just superior when it comes to that.
I think he has that right to do what he did ,, we are tought from day one do not hit girls ,, so that is in his head next it i dont know what happens to you when ur rolling around on the floor with some dude. ,, but if rolling around on the floor with some girl and im pushing pulling he in to me they way he might have to do to beat her im afraid i would stand up and rheres going to be something new in my shorts standing up to with guys he's ready to go to war. In his off time he's a teen that likes girls and want to roll aroundvwith them for different reasons
I don't think any one should be forced to do something they don't want to do and I don't think we should judge people for not doing something because it make them uncomfortable. I can understand why he wouldn't want to wrestle a girl and I think we should respect that.
As for is the this is chivalry or chauvinism, I don't think its ether. I don't know if he could win in a mach against a girl wrestler. I understand that men are stronger and larger on average, but don, t they have weight classes to fix the problem of unequal weight and muscle.
He has every right to refuse to fight an opponent based on their gender, especially if it's due to his religious beliefs. Who knows, he could have grew up in a home where he saw his father beat his mother. And that's had a lasting affect on him. If a man isn't comfortable wrestling or punching a woman, and he refuses fight her... that's his prerogative.
My husband does MMA and boxing, and I know for a fact he'd never fight a female fighter, because of his personal views. He's broken guys arms , ribs and legs during a fight. And I know he wouldn't feel comfortable doing that to a woman.
No one has a right to accuse someone of being a coward, sexist, chauvinist etc etc just because it doesn't fit in with societies changing ways.
That guy would be crazy to give in to pressure from society to fight a female if he's against it for personal reasons. I'd never give in to bulling tactics by society. Labelling him a chauvinist or whatever is a bullying tactic.
I used to play in a mixed rugby team back in year 11. At the start of the year we had eleven girls and ten lads. At the end we had one girl and 10 lads because the girls got the crap beaten out of them - without us actually trying to hurt them. Basic tackles would nearly snap them in half, defensive shoves would break noses and even blocking play would see them falling over. We had three broken ribs by the end of the first term, with massively more injuries sustained per game - or even training session - than the gender specific teams.
When I was doing judo we had a karate school come over and do some training with us. The karate girls were used to the blokes not hitting them during training and when they did mixed martial arts matches with us, they got picked up and dumped on their arses so hard that they were in tears.
Its unfair. Its the unrelenting grind of biology, but the fat is that unless you are taking drugs, or really exceptional, women just can't fight men.
He is to be commended for his restraint and his respect for females. He will make a fine husband some day. It's too bad that the short-sighted people RUNNING the event cost him a chance at a title. But Joel put his values above a trophy, and for that he is to be congratulated.
As far as the topic of "inter-sex--wrestling", those running the event should have woman compete with women and men compete with men. No questions. Period. End of story. Those running the event have created the lose-lose-lose situation, not the male competitor.
A DNA test to determine the birth sex might be needed to prove the sex of some, but that should be the gold standard for matching the wrestlers.
The fact that this sparked a national debate is a huge red flag for the nation. Since when is a man refusing to put his hands on a woman a problem?
Please tell me how the actual fuck anything of what he did was chauvinistic. Sounds like to me people are just trying to vilify men more than they have already. People seriously need to fuck off with shit like this. This kid should not have to be the center of this kind of attention.
Since when do male and female wrestlers compete together? In most combat sports there is separation by both gender and weight class. I must've missed the memo on this one. That said, I think he's entitled to retain the right to veto on whom he will fight on the mats.
I liked his mention of getting in a compromising position with a girl. What guy wants to be gripping some young woman's vagina in a hold? I feel him there. I don't even get why they allowed this girl in. There should be girls' wrestling. Once again, this goes too far.
He's trying to avoid a PR nightmare. He looks bad no matter what happens. Simply getting challenged by a woman ruins your rep. You refuse to go against her, bad rep. You go against her and lose, bad rep. You go against her and win, bad rep. It's a lose/lose/lose situation, refusing to fight is usually the least taxing thing though. Since it never happened, there isn't much you can sayq
Chivalry? Are you kidding me? Fuck chivalry. Be nice to everyone or be nice to no one. That bullshits always pissed me off. And no, that’s complete chauvinism. If girls wanna fight let them fight and if you’re some kind of scumbag that thinks your interests and career should be regulated by something as insignificant as gender don’t hide your sexist ass behind a mask of moral superiority.
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