When I was like 11 or 12 me and this girl in my class had a fight at school. We were both really tall kids for our age and similar structures. The teacher had to separate us and neither of us knocked the other out. Even if no one won of couse I was shamed for not being able to defeat a girl.
I felt like shit since I wanted to be stronger then a girl and joined karate soon after. Worst part was she had the same idea and we both entered same dojo! Imagine my face when I saw her there...
A few years later, we were 14, later we fought a no rules match to train for a competition. I never fought somone with more anger in my life! Still remembering that tie a few year before. It ended with with a kick to her head. I still remember the sight of her head flooping back as my chin guard hit her face. Judge all you want I felt like a weight had been lifted of my shoulders.
The first fight never even had an end and I was this mad about it. What effect does this have on you?
Try and avoid 'emotional' fighting in general. I know, easier said than done. But use it to develop your skill and strength only. And refuse to fight those who just want to kill you. I mean, obviously, you need some real resistance and non-compliant partners. But if it gets too personal and emotional, then things deteriorate pretty quickly. I remember guys like that sparring. They'd always be giving it like, pretty much all they had. I didn't, because I didn't want to seriously hurt people. So soon as I lost it one of them was on the floor screaming within 10 seconds.
Sparring is always a funny situation because people always start trying to kill you. There's no way you can give them the same force back and stay safe. That's why I consider it kind of fake fighting in a way. You're either trying to kill each other (real fighting), or we have to accept that it's just some middle ground to develop fighting skills, but not real fighting.
The main thing is that it becomes very low brow very quickly when it's all that kind of egotistical pissing content. Alas, you come across dickheads, and you have to find a way to deal with them that doesn't involve you getting drawn into their bullshit. Such is life.
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I was over it right after I won. But it took until then. So I wondered how many guys felt similar or if I was just an asshole.
Fighting with girls was frowned upon whilst growing up. In fact, if we fought back in self defense administration would punish the guy and the other students would call you a pussy essentially. I mean, getting your ass beat would still earn you that label so there wasn’t a win win thing, but fighting back did earn you an unwelcome reputation that would stick with you for the duration of your K-12 career. I knew a guy with such a reputation earned in junior when some behemoth sized women laid the smack down on this little guy and he swung to escape her beating on him. Frankly I silently applaud the little guy. The girl was a pain in the ass for a large number of kids and to make matters worse, she thought she was hot shit. Not remotely. “Behemoth” was a major understatement.
If it motivated you to work harder I don't see any harm. It might be what you needed. If you have a big ego its fuckery losing to a girl. Coz it will piss you off that you lost and it seems an even bigger kick when it's a chick coz well. We are supposed to be the weaker sex. So if you can't beat us what does that make you? Yh how you feel makes sense. Every guy I've beaten hasn't been happy about it. None of them though has come back for more... you weren't having it. It's as if it haunted you. It would of been interesting if she managed to beat you again. Shame. I am disappointed as now the story ends. I hope your fighting journey doesn't end to. I hope you don't lose motivation because you won.
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She didn't won the first time. We were separated. That is not what motivates me to train anymore. I was over it the second I won.
You think it would be better if she had won that second fight? You don't think about how that would had made me feel? Losing meant a lot less to her.
You didn't lose but it bothered you that you didn't win. That's the point I know it's not what motivates you to train anymore and that your over it. Thats where my disappointment in her lose comes in because of what that lose resulted in. The result may very well of meant less to her. However we aren't talking about her. We're talking about you. Exploring your question. Challenging what the result would of been had it of been different.
From what I've observed a man losing to me is a man losing part of himself. Depending on the kind of man he is. I see resentment. Entitlement. Bitterness and sometimes shame. Its clear they didn't expect to lose simply coz they are men and if you rely solely on your gender its game over for you. I will end it. They unknowingly hand me the upper hand because they are in their own head have already underestimated me and don't see me coming. Easy wins. Any man I've lost to has been a worthy opponent and they tend to be more humble with their wins. Thats someone I would continue to fight because if he can beat me he can make me stronger. And that's all I am interested in.
What did you wanted me to take from my victory there?
Do you get happy when you make them lose a part of themselves? When they feel ashamed? I am curious to know how girls feel about this. If they have any sentiment for how bad it is for us.
What do you fight? I stopped doing karate a long time ago. Started muay thai and I am still doing it.
By the way, men who beat you tend to be more humble in their win compared to who? I am assuming compared to you. So you don't act in a humble way when you beat a guy? Just to put him down further? This is why I am so glad I put her down that time. To avoid this.
I wanted you to take away passion and motivation for the art because karate is an art. It's not only about winning and losing its much more then that it's a therapy.
No. I don't 'get happy' that he feels that way why would I? It's not about that. At that point in time I must stay focused I cannot allow emotions to evade me and risk loss of concentration. You asked me a question I simply gave you an answer. And not all circumstances surrounding a fight is the same for every fight. That also plays a part.
I know how demoralising it can be for a man to lose to a woman and no it's not something I want for any respectable man. I certainly I don't seek it I haven't initiated a single one of these fights however I don't back down if and when challenged. I also don't look anything near how strong I am so when I say 'it's not a good idea' they take one look at me and they say things like 'skinny little bitch. She can't fight'. 'I can break her in two' I've hear it all before and I can't have anyone fucking thinking like that.
Your certainly assuming wrong. If there is any woman who is fighting for that purpose she is a disgrace and yes that's a fight as a man you must win for your own peace of mind because it has the potential to seriously fuck a man up mentality. Man I would hope this is just your perception rather then the reality.
Not compared to me. Compared to other men. Some men fight with a level of respect for the art that they practice and some men fight just to prove a point. That is the comparison I am making. I fight so people don't fuck with me it's nothing to do with using it as an opportunity to be dis respectful if I win.
I am happy to hear you started Muay thai. Yes I do this and I combine it with boxing and MMA. I keep getting stronger but I still have a long way to go.
In my experience not many well trained guy just underestimates any opponent like that no matter how small he or she is. I get that it must feel bad to be underestimated because you are a women.
Hope that if any of those loud mouths ever beaten you that at least he understood how strong you are and had a different attitude at the end.
I asked just to see what the case was. I am glad to hear that you don't take special pleasure in taking guys down. For the record every time after that that I have won a match against a girl I didn't enjoyed it. just because I won against a girl.
Hope you keep getting stronger then. A trained women can beat an untrained guy of the same size any day.
Don't worry no loud mouth arsehole has ever beaten me. I am way to motivated to destroy them to let that happen. It's only guys who wanted to see how far my training had gone because it's the only way to see what level I am at so they challenged me and some of them I am still training with. So maybe your right about the trained guys maybe they don't underestimate so harshly they have more respect for the art. I don't go down easy. There will be rematches because I must be able to beat an arsehole who can fight. It hasn't happened yet but I will not sit and wait. I will be ready. We don't have a lot of good men like you floating about. I don't take any chances with my safety it's a bonus that I love it. Thank you for your kind words all the best with the Muay thai. I hope you keep it up
Really glad to have a female fighter tell me she doesn't judge me for how I felt when I was younger and that she doesn't sees any difference in winning or losing against men just because they are men.
You don't have to hope. I will only get stronger. With real fights the type I like there isn't winning or losing there is only growth. Your more then welcome to follow me. I would be honored.
If she won she was a worthy opponent. You should respect that instead of taking it personally. . Just bc other people are idiotic doesn’t mean you have to be. as far as fighting well she’s there to fight so I see no problem but ego should be kept out of Martel arts. That’s against the ethos and it will Make you weak. . Your opponent can use your own angst against you.
snd you shouudshould understand just bc men have greater capacity for muscle building this does not make women weak nor women weaker Than men.
Case by case. Generalities Jean nothing when its just the two of you. Be where you are. With who you are with.
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She never won. First we were separated and second I won.
I agree that women are not weaker just because they are women. Still at the time a simple tie was a blow to my ego.
Hope no guys feel bad about loosing to a girl. I know in many fighting sports size is split up. But I still have those bad thoughts about my school time, where some guys wanted to pick on me, simply because I were even in my school time a head or more taller than my class mates. And my big problem as a 12 year old girl were that I sensed that beating up one of those guys might been a lesson for them, but at the same time it would have taken away the very last feminine side of me a 12 year old girl and already over 190 cm tall, so I'd usually let them shorter guys beat me up, so my body were blue of Bruce's. I'd really wanted to beat them up some times, I'm sure I'd had no problem doing do if I'd felt like
Thanks I know !!! And if I should forget somebody remind me twice a day. But I'm very happy my height and fortunately my fiancee is too. In a way he kind of love my height madly though he's avarage height. Usually I'm told my appearance make other people look short, somthing I'm very sensitive about, and getting ball attention too isn't that nice all the time
when I was 15, my coach told us to sparring. and he set me with a guy. it was only sparring since the competition around the corner!!! plus he and I didn't join the competition. so there's no need to punch, kick me so hard. since that time I hate him. it was hurt tho. I didn't expect a silent guy actually doesn't have a heart to think it would be hurt. if you kick/punch at the right place even tho it wasn't hard, you would get marks.!
I've lost to one or two women in my time but they were freakishly strong and skilled, as a fighter and a man I have no shame in losing to them they were worthy opponents. And even though I lost to them I still fought on par with them despite them being much higher belts then me.
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How old were you and them? Maybe kids get more worked up about this them grown ups.
Ugh... You fought a girl and held a grudge against her cause you didn't knock her out before the teacher separated you?
And not only that you took karate to get revenge on her?
The hell is wrong with you? You sound like some kinda weird movie villain.
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I didn't join karate to beat her up again, I joined to become stronger. I felt weak after the tie. The fact that I got to beat her up was just a bonus.
It's not that bad to lose to a girl. I've never actually got into a real fight with a girl nor have lost in a sparring match but there was a girl who I trained in boxing, she was a natural athlete within in a year she was beating many of the guys who started with her and some of the guys who started years before her. Just like men some people come out to be naturals
I am glad you put her out the second time you met. If she wants to get into the ring, she deserves the full brunt of your violence.
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@krakenattackin I did put her out. Felt so good! After the first fight everyone was treating me badly for even raising my hand at her because she was a girl and I should just take it.
Just because girls are normally weaker than guys it doesn't mean that they cannot become stronger so of course there is no reason to let it bother you, that girl probably worked a lot harder than you is all
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Nome of us had any training when we first fought and neither won that. Second time we had the same training.
At the end of the day some girls cam fight and ones who are trained can beat most guys. Sp if you lose you got beaten by a girl, even though she knows how to fight a lot of people dont care and will give u shit.
Or at best all you have done is beat up a girl.
So dont fight girls it's a lose/lose situation whatever happens.
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That is true. Even if no one won the fist fight since I didn't won everyone made fun of me.
I found it a very funny story lol. I myself have never been in a fight before. Only maybe wrestling when i was younger with boys. I always hanged out with boys because girls were to girly for me lol.
At that age it isn’t bad at all, because you probably hadn’t even gone through puberty yet. Girls go through puberty earlier and start to develop into adults sooner. But you should track her down for a rematch and really beat her ass.
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Se tied when we first fought and I won the second fight. Still I hold a grudge for the tie during three years
When I was 7 a girl in my class was threatening to beat me up until her older cousin rescued me. She could have, too; she was huge. By the time we got to HS she was probably about 6'2, 240 lbs. but no longer so violent.
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