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I don't know about how much technical knowhow the Turks have re: space travel, rocket research etc. but seems like a 'stretch' for Turkey at this point. Maybe if I get to Istanbul next year, I will gain some insight into Turkish society et al, and I can answer more intelligently.
I was warned before by some friends/relatives and I know there is some risk. When I travel abroad, I usually travel with a group, re: tour bus or like that. I will try to make as much pre travel planning as I can with regard to safety. Istanbul is a huge city and am anxious to go. BTY, I am planning on seeing Cairo, Istanbul, Dubai, and Athens.
With enough borrowing money, sure. The thing is that the only real reason to launch a mission to the moon at this point is prestige: the race to get there the first time was done in the fast, dangerous, and short term way; with a series of individual shots to get closer and closer, gathering data until a target place could be chosen, then getting there, doing a little research, and heading home. A bunch of SSTO rockets bringing supplies to an orbital launch base would've been MUCH better, from a long-term perspective. More expensive in the short term, though.
Children today play in the shade of trees their grandfathers planted; while an individual may be willing to start a project s/he'll never see the culmination of, taxpayer bases aren't the same thing. I suspect this is just Turkish government officials boasting to claim how awesome they are.
Turkey is actually surprisingly advanced country. I remember several years ago it was one of 3 countries in the whole world that wasn't in external debt, along China and Netherlands. I can't say I was following it's economical progess / state of matters in late years, but it seems to me they are doing fine. Just like any other country with large contrast between rural and urban areas, of course certain parts aren't living wealthy. But the urban parts live just fine.
As for this idea, I find it pathetic and just a play of the ego of the political leaders, and playing the nation on the national ego for the vote collection purposes. No need to go to moon or anywhere else, so this is just flexing that *they as well can*. Money in vain.
Food, drinks, clothes, these are simple things. People had them before industrial revolution.
Cars are being made since late 19th century and Turkey does not make a car in 2021.
Motorcycles which are sold under turkish brands are completely china made. We take pieces from china and get pieces together in Turkey
@Vivaldi I do but you don't understand mine. Let's look at prosperous Luxemburg. Or Singapore. Which world brand ever came from there? Tiny pieces of land. No even place to put industry on, they struggle with housing providing. But - extremely wealthy & successful countries. If they wanted to, they could sponsor or take part an advance science project. Just, they don't care. Their huge income comes whole from tertiary sector, services, banks, tourism.
You have typical attitude of nafional self hatred charachterictic for Balkan & Eastern Slavic nations. We all think like that at times.
But it's stupid, really. Example, I come from Croatia. We produce the electric car with best motor/battery on the world. It speaks volumes that Elon Musk went on to show off his "new" motor and car that is weaker than ours, and they were both presented within two weeks. Croatian company is Rimac and is now a seriously a big player in the world. So what? 😂 That now means Croatia is advanced? No. Sadly, not even a little. Turkey is more advanced, especially economically wise. And for your attitude of self-hatred? Seriously, everything will be fine with time. Like I've said, I think Turkey doesn't need this space program and it's kinda lame and just seeks recognition in the world for its own national ego. But we can't say life in Turkey is low mud lifestyle. It's quite a normal country and actually, does some things more progressively than some countries that are in the EU. I understand you hate your own country because you would like to see more of it, but in the same time, isn't space program "something more"? It's only going to be bad if that spaceshuttle fails and explodes. But hey, that also happened to NASA before. It also might work and then you might be proud...
by the way if Turkey primarily imports hyundai things, that's surprisingly well. Why do you keep saying Chinese and keep quoting Hyundai. You're aware Hyundai isn't Chinese, right? Hyundai is brand of quality from Korea. We produce mobile phones that are 100% Chinese. Chinese, not Korean...
@Vivaldi Look, I don't know what is your job, but you don't know your own country. I come 3 times a year. I have friends working in the defense industry and we are making investigations.
For example, I can tell you 5 missiles licensed in Turkey. I can say that the air defense system is licensed in Turkey. I can say land and air vehicles which licenses are in Turkey.
Last message is you don't know your country lol. Search a little.
What, they having Thanksgiving in space next?
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Actually, Turkey is a large scale manufacturer in everything from textiles to weapons and was bound to aim for space eventually.
The reason the economy is fucked is largely down to EU bound migration draining it's resources, and US foreign policy.
It's one reason it wants to join the EU and solve most of it's problems that way.
in my opinion, a country can't say that it has its own space agency if it isn't designing and building their own launchers and spacecraft. That's like me saying I have a car company because I own a Honda. Buying proven systems off the shelf from another country is certainly more practical, but it doesn't win you any points for international achievement.
If by going to the moon they mean sending humans, I'm not really sure. If they mean a lander or a satellite, probably rocket lab (ellectron) had a project cost of about 100m I think, and they build decent rockets, I think they even have a moon mission planned if they haven't already done it.
The problem is that there's always unknowns. It's like a person who's never driven a car saying they're going to drive a car 3k miles within the next month. It's not likely cause they're going to crash too many times on the way.
@jason0808 And you notice that the major experienced space agencies set tiny goals. One little step at a time. The last thing they want to do is set a goal and fail because then their funding gets cut/reduced and people think they're a joke. How slow Mars exploration has gone could drive you insane BUT a lot of progress has been made over the decades.
If they can afford it? Russians sell their civilian rocket technology to anyone for a huge pile of Euros/Dollars. Has Turkey this money? I don't think so.
If you're sending a rocket to the moon, could you do the world (especially Turkey) a big favour and make sure Erdogan is on board when it blasts off?
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@gag647485 Okay.
@gag647485 What's what? Four squares? Yes Jason, what do those squares signify?
@gag647485 Four squares. Your comment here. Is that some kind of geometrical puzzle we're meant to solve?
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I don't believe it, just look at their situation and look at their president
So what about the Turkish MIT ordering to save ISIS members out of Hasakah camps and then the Turkish media saying they saved a woman and 4 of her children? ISIS took over a third of Iraq and half of Syria in 2014 so they became powerful in resources like oil, they had connections with Turkey and they both happen to support the Muslim Brotherhood. Erdogans goal is to establish a worldwide Islamic caliphate and go back in time with islam (sounds like ISIS to me) or the fact that Erdogan has neglected to do any counter terror attacks against ISIS. Just look at Turkeys recent history as it was supposed to be westernized yet it continues to fall further and becomes more hostile towards Europe and the US. The only reason you see Erdogan sometimes "bashing" ISIS is because of pressure from Russia, Europe and US. Seeing people put Erdogan in a positive light disgusts me, he is a discriminatory piece of shit.
here's these straight from wikipedia "On 27 March 2014 an audio tape recording of high-level Turkish officials discussing Turkey's Syria strategy was released on YouTube. The officials discussed a false flag operation that would lead to an invasion of Syria. YouTube was subsequently blocked in Turkey.[276]
A vote in the Turkish Parliament was scheduled for 1 October 2014 on whether or not to invade Syria as part of the war on ISIL.[277] while preparations for a possible intervention were made.[278] It was later delayed a day.
The de facto "declaration of war" took the form of two separate motions, one on Iraq and one on Syria, which would authorize Turkish troops to invade those countries.[279] the opposition said they hadn't been able to read either motion, as the exact text had been delayed.
Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç said that the gist of the resolutions was to extend the current mandate for "hot pursuit" against the PKK and Syrian Army into Syria and Iraq, which was to end the second week in October, to add the Islamic State to the list, and to set up a buffer zone on the Syrian side of the border.[280]
President Recep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan opened the parliamentary session by saying that Turkey would fight against the Islamic State and other "terrorist" groups in the region, but would stick to its aim of seeing Bashar al-Assad removed from power"
"With the governing party losing its majority in the Turkish general election on 7 June 2015, rumors began to circulate that President ErdoÄŸan would order an intervention of Syria to prevent the creation of a Kurdish state straddling northern Syria and Iraq.[283]
On 26 June, Erdogan said he would "never allow the establishment of a Kurdish state in northern Syria".[284] By the end of June, a number of Turkish newspapers reported that Ankara was considering a ground operation to establish a buffer zone in Northern Syria to prevent Syrian Kurds from declaring an independent state,[285] a zone 110 km long and 33 km deep along the Turkish border.[284]
The military demanded legal backing for such a move,[286][287] and on 29 June 2015, ErdoÄŸan chaired a meeting of the National Security Council to provide just that.[288]
Leaked plans stated that, sometime during the first couple of weeks of July, up to 18,000 troops would invade Syria via the Jarablus and Aazaz border crossings, areas in the hands of ISIL and the Free Syrian Army, respectively, and set up a buffer zone to which refugees could be repatriated.[289]
Limiting intervention to airstrikes has also been discussed.[290] The idea of going into Syria proved extremely unpopular with most sections of Turkish society, dissuading the government from invading"
Well, their economy can definitely handle its space program. Whether they will have a long-shot one is a real question.
Lul, every country constantly borrows money. Its their ability to repay debts u should take into account. Then again, u told that the TCB has no money while they 56 billion $ of reserves. So, u r wrong.
We should applause for anyone who want to leave away from earth.
Yeah I'm sure they could go to space. All the hard work of figuring it out has already been done for them though any space mission is nail biting
Erdogan is already living on the moon...
On a more serious note, is that really their priority? :-o :-o
Turkey, the country that brought us Beko, the self igniting kitchen appliances, no i dont think they'll make it.
Like Bezos and Shatner showed the border with space is technically a LOT closer than people think. Yeah they might make it. But not in any impressive way.
I gotta say " I couldn't care less if they do or don't". But as you say, with their economy in a shamble, what's the point? Seems like a waste of money to me!
This is TERRIBLE news!
Lol why are they trying to do that? I feel like they should have other priorities...
Muslims flying to the moon? I assume their shuttle won't need a landing gear.
Sounds like someone got dumped by a Muslim. Who hurt you? 😂
@TruthBringer It's a joke.
If anything you sound hurt for responding this way.
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Sorry, joke police.
@jason0808 That would depend on whether Turkey could invent a functional rocket successfully or not.
As long as they bring the Mayo, I don't care how much turkey is up there.
Big countries going to Mars small countries going to the moon. I think they are capable of it.
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