What The U. S. A. Is Going To Be Missing Out On

[LittleSally]

The facts of what the exit from the Paris agreement ultimately means for America.

- being at the forefront of renewable energy harnessing and distribution (thriving economy)

- jobs in renewable energy (which aren't going to become obsolete)

- technology development

- pharmaceutical advances (or even being a part of those advances)

The jobs in the U.S. concerning renewable energy are growing 12 times faster than the fossil fuel industry - they're going to employ more people in that one industry than the entire fossil fuel industry combined!

- but Trump doesn't want that for America

He basically cut off all American companies from selling any of their products anywhere besides the U.S. ...

Instead of making a tone of money (which seems like it's his priority) on this opportunity - he chose the interest of a few fossil fuel companies.

P.S.

George W. Bush decided to cut funding on stem-cell research. As a result of that South Korea emerged as the leader in that research and now they're one of the medical leaders of the world... What an opportunity missed!

[Jager66]

LOL.. Leaving the Paris Agreement IS!! being a leader... A leader is someone who does whats right regardless of what the "herd" is doing, that is exactly what Trump did. Trump even asked all the other leaders to renegotiate a meaningful, fair, effective climate treaty and the other leaders said NO!! LOL!!

It is not Trump who is unwilling to do what needs to be done, it is the radical left who is soooo blind and full of hate they refuse to see the truth.

The Paris agreement was a joke, it would accomplish nothing but increasing poverty, increasing taxes, increasing government overreach.

Besides Global Warming is good for the planet anyway, the issue is adapting to the changes.

Adapting to Global warming will:
- Reduce famine.
- Create MUCH more green space on earth.
- Open up MILLIONS of square miles of high quality land.
- Open new high quality shipping lanes.
- Create Trillions in new economic growth, bringing many millions of people out of poverty.
- Lower taxes.
- Reduce the size of government.
- Be several times less expensive than "preventing" global warming.

[Rissyanne]

Trump wants more for America than Hillary or Bernie did. They wanted to give every fucking thing away.

[jaydtre]

Besides all that, what do you actually think of him pulling out of the agreement?

[Rissyanne]

@jaydtre I think it's great. Obama should have never made that agreement. Giving away billions of our tax dollars? This is why Trump got elected. Hillary was a criminal and Bernie was a socialist.

[jaydtre]

Oh wow, so we were giving away billions of dollars into this agreement and not getting much back from it?

[Rissyanne]

@jaydtre exactly.

[rjroy3]

"The facts of what the exit from the Paris agreement ultimately means for America."

"- being at the forefront of renewable energy harnessing and distribution (thriving economy)"
No one is stopping individual companies looking to do this with their own money, rather than using tax dollars when so many people are against it anyways. If it's good, then it will thrive. Apple didn't need tax dollars to develop their product. It is illogical to assume that if we don't put tax dollars into it that it will die or that we need to save it with tax dollars.

"- jobs in renewable energy (which aren't going to become obsolete)
- technology development"
The industry was artificially developed through legislation and fossil fuel jobs will take their place naturally. Solar for example has failed multiple times. Even with our tax dollars.

"- pharmaceutical advances (or even being a part of those advances)
The jobs in the U. S. concerning renewable energy are growing 12 times faster than the fossil fuel industry - they're going to employ more people in that one industry than the entire fossil fuel industry combined!"
And it's a lesser fuel source that doesn't even come remotely close to fossil fuel energy production.

"- but Trump doesn't want that for America
He basically cut off all American companies from selling any of their products anywhere besides the U. S. ..."
I'm going to need some examples, but I would agree he doesn't want tons of jobs going into a failed industry.

"Instead of making a ton of money (which seems like it's his priority) on this opportunity - he chose the interest of a few fossil fuel companies."
Which is in the same interests of America, because whether we like it or not Fossil fuels are the best energy source at this point in time outside of Nuclear Energy.

"P. S.
George W. Bush decided to cut funding on stem-cell research. As a result of that South Korea emerged as the leader in that research and now they're one of the medical leaders of the world... What an opportunity missed!"

Pretty sure Germany is at the forefront of that right now, but I haven't looked into that to be honest. I know several countries got a headstart and with the advent of being able to extract stem cells from different forms of tissue America has gotten in the game. South America has some good stuff as far as stem cell treatment, Germany, Sweden and America as well. It's just not mainstream in America sadly. It should be much farther along in my opinion.

[cavmanier]

Thank for for saving me from writing this lol.

Also this
"George W. Bush decided to cut funding on stem-cell research. As a result of that South Korea emerged as the leader in that research and now they're one of the medical leaders of the world... What an opportunity missed!"

As if a government subsidizing something limits business in other countries from using the same technology.

"Instead of making a tone of money (which seems like it's his priority) on this opportunity - he chose the interest of a few fossil fuel companies."

Making money by using citizens tax dollars on a technology with a poor ability to compete in the market? What I specifically mean by that is companies cannot make the energy cheap enough for people to want it. Also making money by giving China billions of dollars to build their solar infrastructure? Amazing plan right.

[rjroy3]

@cavmanier It's just reasoning that sounds like they're talking out of their ass.

[RegularTK421]

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

People should learn what the agreement is, before flying off the handle. It wasn't even legally binding anyway. It was considered an "executive agreement" rather than a treaty. It's not going to cost the United States any green jobs, pharmaceutical advances, or anything of that nature. It was a loose agreement to try and maintain a global temperature increase of less than 2 degrees Celsius a year. Every country would be able to make their own "nationally determined contributions." Basically the U. N would have no authority to hold any country accountable for reducing it's emissions. China and India are building thousands of coal fired power plants as we speak, clearly showing that the agreement doesn't mean shit. All the global community can do, is name and shame. That's it. There is no job creation, green technology exports, or none of that. As far as your renewable energy job growth statistic is concerned, yes it's true, but only because renewable energy has such a small share of power generation in the United States. There are far more fossil fuel related jobs in this country, than renewable energy based jobs.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

[RegularTK421]

www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26372

This is concerning Germany's energy program. While Germany has made huge gains in renewable energy generation, it has not come without it's costs or technical challenges. Power surges, a need for 3,600 kilometers of transmission lines, and a cost per kwh that is 3 times the U. S national average rate per kwh.

[RegularTK421]

www.eia.gov/.../outlet-graph-large.jpg

And a simple graph from the EIA showing power generation by fuel type.

[Paris13]

MHO, Joe!! xxoo

[OlderAndWiser]

No need for me to add anything. Excellent response!

[RegularTK421]

Thanks guys.

[Anonymous]

You all need to fact check on both sides. America is still in the top 10 of the cleanest enegery countries in the world. it is 10th place. However as for the advances and technology that goes into, they are no where on the radar. Japan, China, Europe, and India are doing most of the work there. All this according to climate reality project and verified by BBC world news.

China is in the top 15 most polluted countries in the world, but it is also the country that does the most recycling. Many nations including the US pay China to take our garbage, and they break it down recycle it, clean and refine it for the rest of the world and is still only the 13th most polluted country in the world while being the worlds land fill. This information brought to you by the telegraph and the washington post.

Now understand, most of the world does see a problem with pollution and climate change. Scientifically there is plenty of evidence to see a major issue. Also understand that trump and many in his staff do not see this. They have no problem ignoring the issue. They claim it is all made up, yet scientists have been studing it for decades.

Leaving Paris was stupid. Saying it wasn't is stupid. Saying the US is going to misout on everything is also stupid because the countries that are trying to make the changes the world needs won't actually want to keep other countries out, especially if someone in the US has something to offer. Being willfully ignorant is stupid. There is way too much misinformation being posted here.

[MrOracle]

Choosing not to sign the Paris Accords doesn't in any way mean that we won't continue to push for clean energy. That's what some would like people to believe, but it's not true at all. Rather, it means that the US isn't going to pay other countries billions of dollars to bolster their own industries while undermining our own.

Don't be fooled that the only two options are "sign the agreement" or "doom the planet". The options were "sign the agreement" or "not sign the agreement". It has no direct impact on what else we will do.

[BruceJender]

This.

[cavmanier]

I agree. The agreement seems like it mainly transfers money from advanced countries to build developing countries and China's infrastructure. It doesn't affect how the US public chooses to consume energy. If a person wants to spend 50% more for clean energy, the Paris agreement has no affect.

[JudgmentDay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmVeDeav0DI

Speaking of "Fossil Fuels", if you understand what the "Petrodollar" system is then you would understand why it's relevant and important.

Official US government document to verify that it's NOT just some "Conspiracy Theory":
https://www.gao.gov/products/ID-79-7 The U. S.-Saudi Arabian Joint Commission on Economic Cooperation

as you can see they clearly they acknowledged "recycling petrodollars", thus this is "history", not "theory".

[TripleAce]

Nice find... great video and amazing use accountability report on this issue...
So many don't really see the purpose of much of what has happened... it's all just right here

[JudgmentDay]

@TripleAce It's even been on the fucking news, although only reported one time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbv5twxyVk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aTdn11bqkg

If only people started questioning and doubting, if there's an official record that verified this then it's HISTORY and not THEORY.

[TripleAce]

holy shit... it's like seeing a ghost
it makes sense why this whole global warming thing and that treaty with Paris is designed to cripple use and further china...
china wouldn't even have to change their consumption for 13 years while USA gets a shit ton of restrictions...

that follows what the reporter is trying to say... that if the Chinese create more demand (by using more oil and producing more) they could take over...

damn

[JudgmentDay]

@TripleAce That's why I didn't even doubt those theories about why we're heading toward another global full scale war because of this, although it won't happen anytime yet, because the economy has not crashed yet, and there has not been another financial crisis or disaster equivalent to or worse than the great depression yet, but once that does happen, and we won't see it coming, and I very much doubt Trump has what it takes to stop or anticipate the next financial crisis, then we'll know that the current ongoing cold war with this petrodollar will finally go hot.

[JudgmentDay]

@TripleAce history repeating itself basically, prior world wars both had their financial crisis and disasters that slowly build up to war, thus I'd expect the same pattern, but right now we don't know what will ultimately trigger the real economic collapse, we don't know what that catalyst will be, and some believe that when the dollar finally loses the petrodollar status then it's most certainly will lead to one big financial disaster, but that may not be the only possibility. There could be other causes and nobody, at least not in the public will nor is going to see it coming.

[kickme]

I thought Obama was going to bring millions of "green jobs" in his 8 years? i guess not.

This agreement allows China and India to INCREASE pollution with no limits for 13 more years while the USA pay billions for other countries to build "green jobs' but not in the USA. Read it, please.

[juliaanita]

This is simply not true.

[anubhavcm]

@juliaanita this is the actual truth and i am indian and i have read about it

[kickme]

@anubhavcm it is the truth, it's there to read in black and white. India and China can increase pollution until 2030. I know it seems preposterous, hence the reason TRUMP did not sign it

www.bloomberg.com/.../china-coal-power-generation-capacity-may-rise-19-in-5-year-plan

[SaintDamage]

There is more to this agreement than what meets the eye. It looks as if Trump doomed us, but if you read into it a little you find that it was a big effort to do very little. The more environmental discussions come up, the more you realize that climate change is not a problem that will come so soon. Different things need to be done, and many many nations need to contribute besides a handful in order to prevent a state like Florida from flooding or whatnot. I don't think there is a appropriate solution for the earth yet - at least not one that costs America billions.

[SaintDamage]

By the way, I can't help but notice you have written like 5 posts on this same topic. Why can't you just write it all in one go? Trying to keep your status or something?

[DanoMR98]

Fuck what a bunch of internationalist press and unelected bureaucrats think of the US. We have a mind of our own, we actually give our people liberty. If you want renewable energy, go vote with your dollar or start your own business. Now's the time to make a start-up if you're serious. Don't whine to me about how you wish we traded our liberty so a bunch of globalists could take our money and stick red tape all over our nation

@MrOracle is 100% right about the Paris Accord by the way. It doesn't do jack shit other than funnel our money to other people.

[oddwaffle]

I agree. It's economics and China is lapping it up.

Pulling out of Paris agreement doesn't do much for American economy. It's not like people are going to start mining coal now. It's a miniscule sector anyway. The larger impact is on the service industry which is in great danger of collapsing.

Anyone with a couple brain cells will know China is the top dog in using coal and damaging the environment (esp their own). However, China is also leading in environmental efforts.

Why? It's easy, it's an ad to boost their environmental products and industry. If people need solar panels, windmill or other stuff, where are they going to buy? America, the one who pulled out of the agreement or China, the leader in the efforts?

"Buy China environmental products! Solar panels, energy savings, environmental friendly!!! Them 'merica only makes coal power plant."

[genuinlysensitive]

You do realize under the paris agreement the us would be giving billions to china, who deosnt need it. One of the reasons the President os trying to renegotiate.

[LindsayRB91rds]

@genuinlysensitive People don't acknowledge that, or realize that progress in energy is made by the private sector in the U. S. If alternative energy is a profitable business, companies will continue to develop it even if we're not part of a collective agreement.

The deal was ridiculous to begin with and taking the U. S. out of it was a fine thing to do. President Trump did say he'd look at renegotiating a deal that doesn't suck for us.

[oddwaffle]

@LindsayRB91rds

Take a real look. A lot of organizations in US are rebelling. They are going to stick to Paris regardless. China is seeing a way into the US markets now. US is going to pay China to help it go green.

China is going to invest, oh for jobs and stuff, then take the profits back to China. They are going to sell a bunch of green products people want to US and the rest of the world. They will set the rules and be the last friend of US because it's obvious that nobody is going to think US is reliable in anything.

They already started this conquest. They are pondering over TTP. They want to set the rules for their vassal countries. They are pushing the belt and road thing to spread their influence. They are sinking trillions to impose their rules on the other guys.

The Yuan is becoming another world currency. It has been gaining a lot of momentum. Soon China will dictate the banking rules.

[LindsayRB91rds]

@oddwaffle The part of 'sticking to the Paris agreement' that a city is going to do is to encourage development of green technologies. Companies that have viable tech would do that without any help. The part that no city will do is giving money away to the 3rd world countries. If the U. S. is no longer going to give money to China, do you think that San Francisco will send China money? How much money do you think Pittsburgh will send them?

They only plan to reduce emissions which is something they could do with or without an agreement.

[oddwaffle]

@LindsayRB91rds

They are going to import China stuff because China will be the leading manufacturer.

A lot of things are coming out of pearl river. They are moving from concept to full production in a matter of hours. Even small businesses are buying made-to-order machines from China just because it's​ cheap and fast. That is impossible in US as the US is still working on it. Cities are going to come to China to import green products.

Give money? What decade is this? Are we handling bag of cash to people? Do you know how money is working nowadays? The way money works nowadays is either through investment or purchases. China put money into the US by buying companies and stocks or invest in projects. The profits go back into China pockets. This is a major contribution to trade deficits. The other way is for China to sell stuff to US. It has been around for a while and now they have a better excuse to sell China made solar panels and green products.

[LindsayRB91rds]

The United States was slated to put $3 Billion into the Green Climate Fund which is money going to India, Uganda, the South Pacific region in general and China specifically. So yes, it is bags of money.

The trade deficit with China is a whole separate discussion which has nothing to do with the Paris Accord. We are certainly handing China piles of money through our purchases as well.

[genuinlysensitive]

@LindsayRB91rds Yes, my point if it really was all about reducing climate change than China (the world's largest polluter, FYI) as well as large polluters such as India and Brazil would all have restrictions, instead they are "classified" as developing countries and not only get a break on carbon emissions, but gets hundreds of billions a year from mostly the US. It is not about climate change, it is about wealth transfer.

[LindsayRB91rds]

@genuinlysensitive Agreed. I don't blame the President for getting us out of a wealth transfer program.

[castratedwhiteguy]

We'll be missing out on sky high global taxes and the total impoverishment of the American worker; while China and India are allowed to continue to burn dirty coal indefinitely.. Thank you Donald Trump for saving us from this economic and environmental global disaster

[Red_Arrow]

I am having trouble understanding which way you are going. According to what you said, leaving the agreement means we will be at the front of harnessing renewable energy. Actually by leaving we will be headed to the back. Leaving means jobs in renewable energy. Again, the opposite.

Did you mean that STAYING would have meant those things?

[Anonymous]

All of what you wrote pre-supposes that in order for the private sector to innovate, the government needs to lead the way. That's nonsense and isn't born out at all in the history of innovation. American firms will continue to work at cleantech and climate improving technologies so long as there is global demand. Exiting the Paris Agreement does nothing to that. While I also wish the US had stayed in, the country will not be "missing out" on anything that the rest of the world enjoys as a result.

[TripleAce]

The globalist elites today are having a meeting about the fate of the world... they are deciding how to run to world and not for us... donald trump is not even part of that... he's just as much fighting them as we are...

[JudgmentDay]

@TripleAce I wasn't surprised by this: "Instead of making a tone of money (which seems like it's his priority) on this opportunity - he chose the interest of a few fossil fuel companies." And neither should you, if not for protecting the petrodollar, then why bother prioritizing it?

[Anonymous]

... Look, we're Americans. We're idiots. We just care about ourselves and the other people can sit and spin. Our politicians pretend to care, but they don't care about anyone other than themselves and lining their pockets with more money. If it's not immediate or extremely profitable, we don't want it. We're impatient. We're fools. We lie, we cheat, we bait and steal from anyone and any place that's stupid enough to let us in. We don't care about the world, we just care about ourselves. And that will be our downfall.

On a side note, I'm still thinking of leaving this sorry place and going somewhere else. I heard Canada's nice. And Japan's always fun to be at. Maybe France or England. Any place than this sewage hole.

[OlderAndWiser]

If you hate the US, you should follow your instincts and leave.

[Opinion Owner]

@OlderAndWiser I'm trying. But I'm broke and, frankly, still don't know how to properly handle myself in the real world. Until that time comes I'll be patient. ... Until they come up with a crazy law that prevents people from leaving, in which case I'm hiking straight to Canada.

[cavmanier]

@OlderAndWiser He's blinded by the liberal media propaganda bs

[Aqualung]

It's a farce. The US continues to lead in clean energy, and is constantly further developing it. China and India are polluting the world, and the Euros ought to be focusing on their open borders and the Islamist slaughter and rape their citizens are forced to bear because of their leaders PC mindset.

[genuinlysensitive]

Not to mention China the biggest polluter doesn't uave to do anything, not only that they get 100s of billions per yesr from us. Its not about reducing carbon emissions its a bailout for china.

[Aqualung]

@genuinlysensitive yup, and don't give India a pass

[Red_Arrow]

While China is the leading polluter, they are actually doing a lot towards finding ways to recycle and cut pollution. And actually, the united States is second in pollution, with about 5,414 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions per year. India emits about 2,274 million metric tons per year, half of what the US does.

[zagor]

He did nothing that stops US companies from selling whatever wherever. It's not like he issued a decree preventing US companies from taking action on climate change. What he did only affects the government requiring changes from companies.

But it was a pretty good denial of reality.

[Anonymous]

C;mon, girlie, the climate deal is a hoax. Do some homework on it. It was begun by Al Gore and nothing but millions and millions of money in the globalist's pocket's. This is why they are pissed.
Wake up, America, Trump did the right thing! He wants what is best for the Americans like you and me.

[Anonymous]

Don't worry. I don't think he's even going to try and run for office again in 2020. According to whitehouse staff he seems miserable. Has been since basically day one. He's making substantially less money as president than he was at being a hotel tycoon. Some other person is going to win the republican primary like when LBJ didn't run again.

[Anonymous]

The paris agreement doesn't do any of that.

The only thing the paris agreement really did was to get the US to give tons of money to other countries. Well it also hurts US companies by forcing them work to more difficult standards than other countiires. so would have been a huge drag on the us economic.

I would put money the US is still leaving medical development by huge margins.

[Waffles731]

Which is why he needs to be voted out of office in 2020

[juliaanita]

or kicked out of office before 2020

[Waffles731]

@juliaanita Either or