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Now, for many, it seems like a 'Witch Hunt' where just about any guy is accused of 'something inappropriate'!! I think a lot of guys are going to the position of 'I don't need this' and are focusing their time on being with guy friends, more sports, cars, and so on.
I think that #Metoo actually has hurt a lot of women, that have never been abused, and made the nice guys, the respectful men, that would have approached those, reconsider, especially when someone like Henry comes out with something like this.
He's a public figure and a huge target. I totally get where here's coming from. Obviously the women in the comments here aren't going to understand because they only see men are perpetrators and women as victims. However in the celebrity world , men are the biggest target of blackmail/extortion when it comes to shit like this.
Understandable. I've just red on instagram that if a men lies to get a women to sleep with him it's rape. And almost all the comments on this post agreed with the statement. There are soooo many crazy women out there who think their ridiculous opinions are justified because enough women believe the same shit. I get what he means.
We have users here that believe drunken sex is rape. The rabbit hole goes deep.
@yasii Not surprised that almost all the comments agreed with the statement. Just like I'm not surprised about the female backlash to what this actor said.
I don't blame him. It seems like everyone is raping out there and they're always presumed guilty before innocent. The woman's side is always taken as soon as she opens her mouth. It's a dangerous place for a man to be dating these days.
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I think he probably embellished things when he compared flirting/approaching with being accused of rape, but the fact that many women on social media blew up over this comparison kind of proves his point in a roundabout way: women tend to misconstrue things and blow things that weren't meant to be offensive way out of proportion.
We all know that women get uncomfortable easily and nowadays harassment is being defined as "how someone feels" and not "what you actually did", so in a guy's mind, you could just walk up to a random girl and say "hey I think you're attractive and wanted to come over and get to know you more," and if she feels uncomfortable that you approached her or how you approached her, even if you're polite and well-intentioned, she can say you "harassed her", even though to any reasonable person, you didn't. And all she has to do is go on social media and post "OMG, this total creep came up to me today and tried to hit on me," and everyone would believe her. She'd get sympathy comments denigrating this guy for doing nothing more than approaching her. Now how often does this happen? I don't know. There's this
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../
and this
www.cbc.ca/.../...lse-assault-allegations-1.797780
But the fact is, there are some immature women out there that are either emotionally stunted, socially inhibited, or just downright cunts that can't tell the difference between a guy actually harassing her and a guy wanting to get to know her.
Women have the power to ruin a man's reputation with the click of a mouse button and no guy wants to be on the receiving end of that. Going into an approach, you have no idea how you're going to make her feel or how it's going to be received. It doesn't matter if a guy does his best to be polite, if she feels uncomfortable, that's all people look at. He gets lumped in with sexual harassers, predators, rapists, etc.
I think you'll see a lot less stories like Henry's when society actively shits on women for being ridiculous about being approached when he wasn't legitimately harassing her instead of jumping to her support every time they make an unsubstantiated claim on social media. I imagine it's worse for celebrities because they're scrutinized more than the average person, so any story, however untrue it may be, will fuck them over.
He's terrible at explaining his reasoning. I get the gist of it, and ultimately I disagree on most of his points.
Any form of imbalanced expectation, including "woman should be wooed and chased", is what caused gender inequality. Because the mentality behind it "only X should be A, Y should do B". You are encouraging this kind of thinking. The same kind of thinking of any discrimination or false expectations.
Everybody is different. There are (small number of) girls who like to do the chasing, and there are (again small number of) guys enjoyed being wooed and prefer to be chased. Who on earth is Henry to say "no, that's not right. Because men should do the chasing, and girls should be wooed?" Denying these minorities?
The fear is semi true-ish. Fear of being judged wrongly is an immature reaction. You're not being confident enough to be sure what you're doing and be able to justify/defend yourself. But rejection is simply a negative outcome that nobody likes to bear regardless of what. Because it destroys dreams and potential happiness. Fearing such outcome is a logical and appropriate reaction that anyone should have. And if you don't have such fear (of rejection), then can you say you genuinely cared and loved? These are my opinions.
Ok first what he needs to do is grow a pair of balls and learn to take a few risks life is to short. You’re never gonna know if a woman likes you unless you go out there and start talking to them. Second in his case he needs to keep it low key and use a fake screen name to meet women online. His problem is he’s to nice to wimpy and a pushover with no balls to take risks he needs a choir girl 24 hour going church girl because if he goes after a woman who’s into street gangbanging thug guys or tough guys she will chew him up and spit him out emotionally and mentally and he will be so drained by her that he’ll leave and he won’t be able to keep her in check or be able to fight back verbally to her when he needs to stand up for himself. He’s to much of a whimp when it comes to women and to much of a nice guy which is both a good and bad thing. He needs to make a fake online account and talk to people online that’s the only way to know if he’ll be compatible with someone. The guy is to much of a pushover and I can’t see him settling down with someone who isn’t an advocate church goer and a virgin or very few sexual encounters. That’s just the impression I get when I see this guy or hear about this guy on the news. He suffers to much from shyness.
Henry is so damn fine. Like so damn fine. When he was rescuing those oil guys in the beginning of Man of Steel, my ovaries FIRED. And then when he was angrily eyeing the Flash in Justice League, my cervix widened... I was ready. take me Henry.
But nah, I think he stuck his foot in his mouth. Unless you're coming at women all wrong, you have nothing to be afraid of. Ya know, like what is his game plan? What does he usually do, what does Henry usually do to approach a woman. Bc I wanna be chased and shit, but like not by a sleazy guy and even though I think he's hella hot, if he came at me sleazy (oh my this would NEVER happen) I would be upset.
But god damn, Henry I'm here.
I spit water when reading this lmao
At this point I have no clue if you two are being sarcastic lmao but what I've always wondered is, why isn't he James Bond?
Lol just "Fine deliciousness" made me question your seriousness XD
To me, as a male, he looks like a boring Ken Doll, but whatever floats ur boat m8 lmao
That man stroking is strong here hurl lol
I find it ironic that he as an successful actor seems to think he's incapable of reading body language and facial expressions of women who are open to being wooed and chased vs. those of women who don't want it, or at least not from him.
No one's going to call anyone a rapist for saying hello. But if you insist on wooing and chasing someone who clearly shows no interest in you, then sorry, handsome or not, you are a creepy narcissist who doesn't care what the object of your desire feels and wants.
@soyboy999 Exactly
@soyboy999 facts
If you regularly get called a rapist every time you approach a woman, then you MIGHT want to re-evaluate the way you approach women. There IS a line between flirting and, you know, harassment.
It's actually very easy: No means no. If you start flirting with me and I tell you I'm not interested, then that doesn't mean I'm playing hard to get, it means I'm not interested.
MOST guys seem to get this just fine, at least the ones I've met. If they tried to come onto me and I said no, then they didn't decide I needed to be "chased." Quite the contrary; they respected that I wasn't interested and left it at that. You know, like decent human beings.
Wow. I suggest that maybe you should just assume that no means no, and how I don't think it's a good idea to approach women with the intent to "chase," and you guys jump down my throat, sneering about women making false accusations.
Certainly SOME women make false accusations. And SOME men are rapists, or stalkers incapable of taking no for an answer. I know these things as facts, but I wouldn't dream of stating that ALL men are rapists or stalkers, or even MOST men. Just as I wouldn't accuse ALL or MOST women of making false accusations.
If you're going to let the actions of a minority colour your perception of the entire group, I suppose that's your call. Personally I think that's silly.
... I have to comment that this man is SO gorgeous. Love him.
But as for your question, I do think that's he's right. I feel like (at least in America) a lot of men are afraid to say what they feel because they might be labeled and scrutinized harshly. So many men don't even compliment women at the workplace because of numerous sexual harassment complaints (and just for the record, a man telling a woman that she looks nice is NOT harassment. Ladies, if you have some issue with a man giving you a compliment, the issue lies with yourself.)
On the other hand, I don't feel what he says applies to himself. Cavil is considered overwhelmingly attractive and I doubt he'd receive the same reaction as an unattractive man would.
Yes. I find it outrageous that he was forced to apologise for it.
My whole life, the messaging has been "guys are creepy", "guys are old dirty bastards", "look what this creepy guy did", and "oh the poor woman", "girl power", "how can we help women achieve more equality", etc.
So on top of having to initiate and fearing failure or public humiliation, women as a group have also made it very clear that they view men with suspicion and general skepticism.
I understand that guys do horrible things. I suppose the fear and mistrust will never go away.
But I'm tired of only women being allowed a voice in the public debate. Men are immediately shamed and blacklisted if we give our perspective.
1000%, yes, thousand! He is handsome, rich and famous. Women would throw themselves at him. If something doesn't go right or he pisses her off, the avenue of Metoo is too wide and easy to take and society is way too quick to ruin and destroy men's lives and their careers. Like he said, simply saying "hi" can be misunderstood and be interpreted as sexual harassment, buying her a drink can be interpreted as sexual assault. This isn't all women, but you won't know how she will respond until after you ask or offer her. So again, men take all the risks. Better to hold back and say/do nothing.
Yeah, we're in the strange social place now where people can't be honest without some millennial SJW jumping down their neck to collect a pound of flesh.
Henry did absolutely nothing wrong - he expressed an opinion. And the usual bunch of fucktards pretended to lose their shit and he had to do a reversal/apologise/etc... in an attempt to soothe the savage beasts.
We're in the third stage of the #MeToo movement, where false and stupid accusations are going to bring the movement to ridicule and disrepute. That's the last stage before it dies and goes away, and the abusers start to feel free to abuse women again.
For me, it just desexualizes women and makes them seem like they dislike sexual attention from men. Like... they don't pursue guys either, so I can see why there's theories on the internet that women are all aesexual and only use their vaginas to trap men who can provide for them.
I think of the story with Aziz... Girl had his dick in her mouth, yet somehow she felt this was sexual assault even though she didn't say anything? And she could have just bitten his dick off if it was rape. What did she say again? Something along the lines of "he was ignoring my nonverbal queues."
I can understand his stance on this since he's a public figure, but average guys shouldn't be as worried.
I also know it's wrong to grope or touch a woman in a professional setting, but in a casual setting women don't have to tolerate unwanted advances and can just leave.
I understand what he's saying, but I think he could've worded it MUCH better. The way he uses the word 'chase' makes it come across as a little outdated and creepy. I think if he had just said he thinks a man should instigate a relationship and put in effort to win over a partner I don't think it would've come off as bad.
I don't really understand what he's getting at about being afraid of being called a rapist. If he means that because he's in a public position he's afraid someone could lie and wrongfully accuse him, thus staining his reputation then I get it. But if he's just saying he doesn't know how to interact with a woman appropriately then that's his own problem.
I don't necessarily agree... being very direct in asking a woman her expectations and what she wants isn't difficult... I've noticed men have started doing this and I think it's a great thing. The last person I slept with did this, we were making out and things were getting hot and heavy. We had been dating for a couple months by this point. He simply asked "Are you okay with sex being on the menu tonight?" A simple yes or no response required... and being direct puts the man at ease. I think there are plenty of ways around it.
F No!
Women do not think you are some kind of rapist for simply approaching them and trying to woo them.
Being wanted feels good no matter what gender you are.
As long as you take no, not interested as an acceptable answer and leave it's fine.
Why would you go back to something dysfunctional when an amazing person could be waiting for you to ask?
Most people I suspect are "me too" because they've been rejected a lot or don't have the courage to ask. If you are good at asking, attractive and experienced at dating, why would you join that movement? Total BS
I understand what he means as I'm very close to my brother and have witnessed how many girls nowdays have become unaproachable because they are all like "I'm independant, why do you come flirt with my, I'm getting coffee you macho!", and stuff like that, but deep down they still want to be porsued... I'm deeply sorry for the women who have been victims of abuse and harrassment and they have my complete support, but not the women who fall in excesses and condemn other inocent men.
P. S. Henry Calvill can woed at me any time he likes hahaha had to be said.
all the women on here saying he's wrong because he's hot. he has nothing to worry about. haha. What about if he wasn't so good looking? We all know you scream sexual harassment whenever a guy you don't find attractive asks you out. That's his point. He's not saying that "no girl would ever turn me down because i'm famous and hot". He's standing for every guy (ugly ones included) until women stop thinking "eye rape" is a real thing. Sorry ladies, but asking you for a date isn't a crime, isn't harassment, and isn't your punch card into the "mee too" bullshit movement.
Hahah. he's got a point you silly girls lol. You want old fashioned well its old fashioned for us to talk to girls 😛
Oh wait. Its true. Girls are only old fashioned when it comes to money 😂
Men taunt the pussy, women flaunt the pussy. Has always been that way 🙊
You're disgusting
You would
@Toad-1
Yay for rapists that continue to hate justice. :)
@Toad-1
You seem to take it that way like a guilty person.
@Toad-1
The truth is most girls have been groped, spied on naked, raped etc.
I'm confident most guys have a guilty conscience.
@Toad-1
What are those?
Spotting guys who are against women standing up against sexual assault? You got me!
@Toad-1 I think less of men who don't like women standing up against sexual assault. 1/6 females in the US are raped. Every 98 seconds someone is raped, most are males perpetrators. MANY men are rapists. It's just a fact.
@Littleinfamous Henry Cavill isn't talking about assault or raping anyone... lol... he's talking about
“There’s something wonderful about a man chasing a woman. There’s a traditional approach to that, which is nice. I think a woman should be wooed and chased, but maybe I’m old-fashioned for thinking that,” he said. But Cavill says it’s “very difficult” to pursue a woman that way “if there are certain rules in place.”
Just flirting with a girl because he's interested in can be called rape, hate speech, assault... and so on... more so because he's part of Hollywood and famous...
--> we're all against sexual assault and rape though...
make sense suga puff? 😛
You shouldn't be afraid of the metoo movement or women if you have a clean conscience and intentions. Simple as that.
@Littleinfamous Its not me, its Henry Cavill lol.. that feels that way... I just think he makes sense... don't you
The vision of the metoo movement seems finicky lol
"our goal is to reframe and expand the global conversation around sexual violence to speak to the needs of the broader spectrum of survivors. Young people, queers, trans, disabled folks, black women and girls, and all communities of colour. We want perpetrators to be held accountable and we want strategies implemented to sustain long term, systematic change."
Yeah, perpetrators need to be prosecuted. The only people against that would be perpetrators.
In the cast of rape, being held accountable would be prosecution.
Only guys that do wrong are afraid of women.
I'm going to take a stab here... you are constantly have sex on your mind and make dirty comments to women. Am I right?
I should rephrase that...
do you say sexual things to women here that would be considered unwanted sexual advances?
I've seen you do it, you say dirty unwanted things to women here and most likely in person. That's why you don't like this. Easy to understand.
That's the whole point of it.
Honestly, yeah... and it wouldn't even be that bad if the rules were consistent, but they change with every woman, and they change in every situation. Fuck. That.
That's the same thing that actually stopped me from dating and hooking up in college. I've had so many life experiences with women doing full 180's on me like nothing, that the thought of hooking up with a totally consenting girl, and then having her call me a rapist to save face the next day or something, literally paralyzes me with fear.
I'm in the entertainment industry as well, so as a future public figure; that threat is especially present.
Yep. I've seen how this can destroy lives first hand, you can read accounts of it everywhere. They keep saying "just don't be a rapist" except that they have accused men of rape even as they admit that they willingly had sex with them, accused them of rape even though they never even met the guy or their was no physical contact so yeah, he would have his life destroyed more then likely. Turns out women can be crappy people too, who knew?
Yes I do because.
If it's in person, you have to:
• Make eye contact
• Walk up to her
• Say Hi
• Ask her questions and build interest
• Ask for her number
• Text her
• Ask her out on a date
• Pay for the date
• Ask her out on another date
• Go in for the kiss
• Make escalating moves that lead towards sex
• And so on...
If it's online via a dating site or app like Tinder, you have to:
• Send interest
• Message her
• Ask her questions and build interest
• Ask her out on a date...
I think you get the damn picture.
You have to make all the first moves!
And that's a lot of work to invest in one woman who could toy with your emotions for fun or simply reject you because she has so many suitors.
There’s nothing wonderful about a man chasing a woman. I should just stop reading there. If the man can’t take a no that’s a huge big red flag? Makes you want to get even further away from that creep!
Another big red flag: A man saying any conversation with a woman will end up her accusing him of being a rapist. I doubt anyone’s actually encountered that situation in real life.
Many have encountered that situation in real life and I can name several that I know personally. One of them was my cousin. A girl accused him of raping her and everyone believed her till her lies came undone but his life is still ruined.
If you think these cases are "rare" then you know nothing and are ignorant.
If you think the way you approach women may make someone think you're a rapist, then you need to change the way you approach women. He sounds like an absolute loser.
so you don't understand.
Bullshit. My whole life, all I have heard is women (and just the media in general) highlighting all the things that are wrong with men. Meanwhile there has been nothing but encouragement and praise for girls. I have serious fucking issues because of that messaging, combined with the shitty way my mother treated my father. I grew up thinking I was an absolute shit stain and the only way I could contribute to a woman's life was by saving her from some random disaster (thank you Hollywood).
What the fuck are we teaching our boys about their value as human beings, or their desirability? We're teaching them that they are total shite. It's so fucking unfair. My life has been ruined by it, but it doesn't have to keep happening.
@soyboy999 go off boo!
@soyboy999 well, my dear, I have met rapists. I have met molesters. I have met men who have done disgusting things to women. If this dumbass can't tell the difference between that kind of behaviour, and how to respectfully chat up a woman, then maybe he is more prone to those behaviours then he realises.
@soyboy999 and as a girl I was taught to pick up after men, take care of their needs, support them, and put myself second. I was taught that the most important thing a woman can be is a wife and child. The media showed BS Disney-esque storylines of girls needing rescuing and men being saviours. It goes both ways. BOTH stereotypes need to dissolve. Teach men to respect women. Teach women to be independent. Then we can support, love and care for one another as equals.
Does attacking men for even voicing their opinions on gender-related topics create more balanced, well-rounded men?
Does telling men from a young age that they can basically do nothing right produce well-rounded men?
Ever heard of the golem effect? It means living down to people's expectations.
If I hadn't been led to believe being male was such a crime in itself, I would have been more confident, and I would have had more interactions with women. That would have made me a better person than the bitter husk I have become.
@soyboy999 im sorry you've had a shit upbringing, but thats not how most people are raised. For example, my SO has a strong, independent mother who took care of them alone while his dad worked overseas to further his career. My SO has a profound respect for women. If he reads something or sees something about a radical feminist, he just laughs it off as a crazy person. Because that is not how most women are.
He is a celebrity, any accusation, no matter how unbelievable, could ruin his career.
So, yeah, it is pretty reasonable of him to think that way.
To be fair, someone like that can be accused of harassing a person they have never even met, but at least he doesn't go around giving people motivation to do that.
It's not just this Metoo issue, people are picking on each other for just any reason these days. It's like this trolling habit on the internet has extended its dirty arms into serious social and legal areas. Some people are using sensitive social issues to harrass and isolate others. They are haters who just want to lighten their heavy burden of negative feelings by hurting others. I hope we can find a way to stop this. They are ruining it for those of us who truly do need help.
Although I still agree with some posts that one or two no's from a lady mean enough is enough. I also see lots of comments about people's behaviors in bars. Honestly, someone in a bar is most probably pretty intoxicated, and may have quite a heap of issues if taking to alcohol is their release. So I wouldn't really say they are very responsible for their actions at that point. I'd be surprised if they were! I wouldn't COUNT on them for anything.
It is a very real concern among men that they can be punished for doing nothing or next to nothing because of the feminist attitude society is taking on
Tho I don't know if i would blame it on the me too movement, that feeling has been around much longer
Now obviously there are creepy fucked up men out there
But there are also fucked up women. You here about women who lie about being raped and have no regard for ruining the guys life
So yea its scary, i would imagine even more so for a famous man
Dr. Day said sex will be separated from marriage and reproduction ( i. e. "sexual liberation") to break up the family and reduce population. Abortion, divorce, promiscuity and homosexuality will be made socially acceptable. Gender-neutered and promiscuous, fewer people are able to bond permanently with a member of the opposite sex for the purpose of procreation.
He said that there are always two reasons for anything the Illuminati do: the pretext which makes it palatable to the gullible public and the real reason. Thus, we are being turned into homosexuals in the name of "women's and gay rights."
Absolutely. The irony of it all is that what feminists call "the patriarchy" exists in the rift between men and women. The more divided we are, the stronger the patriarchy becomes. It exists when men and women stop trusting one another, because men in power begin shunning or avoiding women as a matter of legal and financial survival. They stop mentoring young women. They stop interacting with them. Work places become more segregated. All of these things promote the us vs. them mentality. The powerful do not flock to women's defense. What they do is isolate women and call it defense, when in reality it's just risk assessment. A man can't even be accused to sexual harassment if he never interacts with a woman, at least not at the work place, and the segregation of men and women in the work place hurts women more than it hurts men.
I would simply hate to be a young man in this environment trying to get a date now. Us old guys have it much easier. There isn't as big a chance for misunderstandings.
But I hardly think Henry Cavill has much to worry about. There are millions of women who would gladly wait in line just to meet him.
As for the rest of these young guys, they are just average fellas. They are dealing with something entirely different.
I definitely feel likely lately the line between predation and seduction has been blurred to the point that many men just are inactive in light of it. I definitely am hyper self conscious about making advances and that stops me a lot of the time.
For me to approach and really get sweet on a girl she'd have to be so forward and friendly as to indicate it is almost a sure thing. But I have an anxiety disorder and a lot of issues with depression and self esteem so I don't know how much this is an extension of that or the times, but both are definitely a factor.
I understand where he's coming from. I do think it's a good cause but I also feel u have women who will use it to get revenge or get something outta it. So can u really blame him. Not really.
I do to ane extent. I'll likely never approach a woman randomly as in see her at the grocery store and go up to her and hit on her. It would be we bump into each other (literally), I need to ask her a question, we're at the same event looking/talking about the same thing... etc. Many women these days are just rude. If every girl who rejected a guy would be polite and turn us down like this "thank you for the interest but I'm not looking to date right now/have a boyfriend/no thank you you're a gentleman but no thank you" it would be a lot less intimidating. And honestly if a girl is interested, she should do the same and approach the guy. It's a lot of effort making all the moves. Putting ourselves out there. If you like someone, do something about it regardless of gender. If you don't then clearly you don't think they're worth the effort anyways so move on to someone who will be worth it.
I can understand where he's coming from but I would also like to think that women aren't generally that sensitive and wouldn't shout rapist at everyone who they don't want to be approached by. I'm not saying women like that don't exist, though, because sadly they do.
I can see how a public figure like him would have to be extremely cautious about what kind of women he approaches, though.
I think the point is that you can't tell which women are insane
www.google.com/.../nottinghamshire-police-count-wolf-whistling-hate-crime
Misogyny hate crime is classed under the new policy as “incidents against women that are motivated by an attitude of a man towards a woman, and includes behaviour targeted towards a woman by men simply because they are a woman”.
Examples of such incidents may include unwanted or uninvited sexual advances, physical or verbal assault, unwanted or uninvited physical or verbal contact or engagement, and use of mobile phones to send unwanted or uninvited messages or take photographs without consent.
The US set up that atmosphere, that environnement. I think the problem is much worse in the US where it started and spreaded.
But it's spreading around the world. You already have women in germany complaining that no guy dares to approach them. In France we have a feminazi as a state secretary to men-women equality, who is openly using the concept of manspreading and mansplaining.
Now I see 2 outcomes for it. Either it stays and dating is definitly fucked up, or people finally have enough of it and get rid of the idiots promoting that.
In the US, it will probably last at least a couple of years more.
I understand where he’s coming from. But a person is labeled a creep when you do something creepy. It’s hard to come off as a decent human being. If you don’t approach someone with a sexual agenda, you won’t be accused of having one. (Well, there are SOME crazies out there ready to hurt your reputation, but on average, you won’t have to deal with that 😂)
If you don't approach a person with a sexual agenda, you will never find a partner though. Well, maybe Mr. Cavill will, but he is a celebrity, he has different things to look out for. But your average Joe has to put a bit of pressure if he wants to achieve anything. I have let go too many girls because I was just not brave enough to make that extra step, apply that extra pressure. Sorry, but without sexual agenda, sexuality and romance doesn't exist.
"Well, there are SOME crazies out there ready to hurt your reputation"
Some?
He is fucking Superman. The women who would gladly extort him in exchange for a relationship could probably fill several stadiums.
I was just talking to a female friend about his Henry Cavill interview. The first thing that astonished me is that he is very much admired and desired by MANY women and takes no advantage from it (most men would do just the opposite). And I agree with him when he does not want to be called a rapist. There are so many cases of women being abused that the wrong approach may be confused with some kind of sexual harassment. Henry's got a point, I totally agree with him.
I've approached a lot of women and never been accused of anything. You generally only have issues if you're being a creep and actually sexually assaulting people.
Times change, cultures evolve. Our dating practices have gone through a lot of variations over the years and trying to fix it to a certain point in time is an exercise in futility.
(Comment from my gf) while his statement is understandable as in, women could simply dislike the sex and say its rape (and thats why i would vote yes and my boyfriend did), there's the facts that 1. a healthy 80% of women are sane enough to not do that and 2. there might be a misunderstanding of what rape, sexual harassment and normal sexual habits are.
Even then, i still agree with him
he's fear is unrealistic, noone will reject you or call you rapist if they like you.. if a woman is acting back off to you means she is not into you
its the same issue to women that approach guys; most guys dont actually prefer it cause exactly like said, they want to be the hunters
won't stop me to do it cause one for me would appreciate it
its a stupid excuse not to try
I've had so many experiences of women doing complete 180s on me that I totally get where he is coming from. I'm definitely scared of hooking up with women, and it actually stopped me from hooking up in college, because the fear of this kind of thing actually paralyzed me with fear.
@winterfox10 but the fear is basically just cause of rejection... that is something that could always happen... regardless of anything
It's more about the fear of hostility. I'm a man, and I can handle being rejected, but what scares me is more the fear that woman will attack me.
@winterfox10 I have dealt my whole life with guys harassing me being catcalling or feeling up... we women fear to be raped/beaten by you guys and you guys fear women humiliating/manipulating you - think about that... women are bitter for a reason, it didn't come overnight
I never said that it did happen over night... I can certainly understand why women have gotten to this point, but I would also appreciate it if women would understand that not all guys are looking to hurt them or do some creepy shit. I"m just saying, have a little faith.
@winterfox10 not all guys are looking to hurt them or do some creepy shit - yeah, i know this and believe this nor I hate men
but for the same reasons as you are reluctant to approach now, they are reluctant to trust...
I think it takes time for things to change... things will change but its very hard to change anyone let along thing on society level...
@elizabeta attack? you mean verbaly? with arguments? god forbid
Not the arguments, it's the unsubstantiated accusations that destroy our lives that we are objecting to
@elizabeta I dont hate men, if you say anything against them with arguments it isn't hate but talking about gender issues
men still rule the world but there is this fear of women for promoting feminism and calling them privileged, its a joke
@winterfox10 what unsubstantiated accusations?
@elizabeta its not about all men, its about the system that is treating a person differently cause of their gender
I have personally witnessed many women fabricate accusations of physical assault, sometimes sexual. Many women (I would even say most women) will complain nonstop to their friends about what a jerk a guy is, and make sure he looks like a degenerate after any kind of argument. Many women have absolutely no qualms about blatantly lying to people's faces to get what they want. I even had a woman tell me that her boyfriend was a heroin junky who was cheating on her with his dealer so I would help out with groceries.
@winterfox10 all those examples are of some people that have issues and problem with lying, its more of the problem in the individuals, not the system
lets be real, this is gag, people here are so delusional, this is not RL
women dont hate men
its not about men, its about women
eg. as a cute little women i dont get the same respect as my male coworkers... its been a case everywhere... and its gotten better in some places but in most still isn't
Men sure have their issues when it comes to gender issues, but they seem to care more about downgrading womans issues and feeling threatened about women speaking about them then worried over about their own issues like eg. not being shamed for crying in public and showing vulnerability...
As a cute little woman you have loads of opportunities to trade on your looks. Why do so many women pretend that most guys wanting to have sex with them is not power? Of course it fucking is. Most of the shit you see men doing in life is literally competing to raise their status so women will be more attracted to them.
Both privately and professionally, it gives you immense leverage if people are eager to sleep with you.
@soyboy999 if this was true you would have bunch of pretty women on top
I have never exerienced this in real life, only in movies
Im pretty and it really doesn't give me any benefits, youd actually have tob e immoral and sleep with the guy or else theyd hate you if you like just flirt with them or if you won't have anything to do with them and cause you're pretty most want to, I only experienced harrasment
Meh, the statistical likelihood of ever being accused of rape, while not doing it, here is basically infinitesimal.
Usually they get filtered out by the police either way, or don't hold in court.
For him, it's more logical since he is a public figure so it could ruin his reputation. But for regular folks it is rather stupid to not approach people because of a basically non-existent risk something malicious might happen.
I've had so many experiences of women doing complete 180s on me that I'm not sure how small the chance of this happening actually is...
It's basically zero. About 200 false rape allegations were filed in in my country, and there are 8.5 million guys. Omit children and you're at like 5.5 million. It's a neglectsble chance
I'm in America. I don't know the stats off the top of my head, but it happens often enough here that it's something to be mindful of.
I was going to make a joke saying “he’s no super man he’s a super pussy” but when I actually read the reason yeah he has a lot to lose and the girl doesn’t, so it can be really dangerous for him and his image but I guess that’s dating right now you have a chance to lose it all over a crazy girl
I think he is making a very bad argument for perhaps an understandable issue. Most women won't call you a 'rapist', but there are definitely some who will call you a creep for simply walking up and trying to talk to them like people have done for a millennium or two now.
The only people that are afraid of the metoo movement are actual rapists or guys who intend to force women to do things against their will. Flirting can't be construed as rape. Get real.
@elizabeta
I don't believe that at all. Guys with rapist intentions are afraid, normal guys aren't. I'm glad the rapists are staying away from women and exposing their intentions too!
So you don't believe women have falsely accused men of rape?
@RonThirdWheelWeasley
Why do you focus on that when the evidence is there OF rape? Aren't you happy those guys got caught or does it make it harder for you to get away with things?
@elizabeta
The truth is there is proof (FBI recording) of what Weinstein did and you apologize for these men? How fucking sad and pathetic.
Err excuse me... I am happy these rapists get caught, but I'm not happy about the innocent men who have been wrongly accused. How can you just ignore them you sick freak? And don't you ever try and accuse me of rape again, you don't even know me...
@RonThirdWheelWeasley
When you can prove the accusations are all false, come back and debate. Otherwise you just appear afraid that the culture is changing and you can't do the same things as you once could.
Not once did I ever say all accusations are fake. And you acting as if all accusations are the truth shows what kind of a person you are.
Ah yes, the #metoo movement, led by Asia Argento who cheated on her boyfriend whereafter he killed himself. And Rose McGowan who blamed her former agent, who had been the only one to support her, for her bad decision to get into a hot tub with Harvey Weinstein. That agent recently committed suicide from the stress of the unwanted attention McGowan and Weinstein put on her.
Such outstanding, "brave" women...
@RonThirdWheelWeasley
Prove they aren't
@soyboy999
Another rapist, I suspect.
Weinstein hired ex-Mosad agents and terrorized her. Yes she was brave.
newyorker. com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-army-of-spies
@soyboy999
Way to deflect. As expected.
So fucking what? I don't disagree that what Weinstein has allegedly done is horrible. How does that negate the fact that the movement is led by two phony individuals who don't give a fuck about the people around them? Why the fuck do we keep elevating women as if they were these flawless creatures rather than fallible humans?
@soyboy999
Phony is your biased opinion. I think you feel threatened by women standing up for themselves.
Lol no I fucking don't. Women "standing up for themselves" is one of the least threatening things in the world. It's like a kid bragging to you about how good he is at some game or something. Sure, if it makes you feel better. Ask any guy how he feels about modern privileged women who feel the need to prove how tough they are. Have fun with it. It's just a bit weird.
@soyboy999
" modern privileged women who feel the need to prove how tough they are"
Rapists don't like it for obvious reasons.
@soyboy999
You didn't read that properly or you're just deflecting and attacking because you're ignorant on the issue.
@Littleinfamous You're a fucking idiot and you are everything that's wrong with the world...
@RonThirdWheelWeasley
See? You can't even answer intelligently, just insult. You never read that article either. Lazy and ignorant.
@Littleinfamous Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you is a rapist? Comes off as more than a little immature.
@ScoutLeader107
Guys who are opposed to women standing up against sexual assault are definitely suspect. Why would anyone possibly be against it if they weren't planning to rape someone? They wouldn't be.
@Dartzlink You can't even come up with a valid argument only insults. Shows the level of your intelligence.
Okay little girl you've literally been throwing insults at everyone else and now you cry when it's done to you? You're making all women look bad right now.
Oh and if you're looking for a mans name where it was objectively proven he didn't rape a girl and it went to court.
Brian Banks. He spent 8 years in prison and lost his entire college career and the latter half of his teen years and the first half of his 20s.
I think Henry cavill is kind of being a crybaby but you're just proving all the people who don't support the metoo movement right by acting as ignorant and immature as you are.
@MyMintFrappe
Acting immature:
"little girl"
Yeah ok, you've completely proven your maturity and intelligence here. LOL
zzzzzz you're entirely predictable and boring... try thinking for yourself. ;)
It’s understandable. Besides he isn’t the only guy who thinks like that, there are many guys who have similar opinions because of this new type of McCarthyism known as the Metoo movement.
It’s not misogyny, it’s just being cautious.
Just talking to a woman doesn't make you a rapist. What sane person thinks that? What he's really saying he's concerned about is when things "go to fast" and/or after a one night stand that the woman will hold it over him. Easy solution. DON'T SLEEP WITH SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW AND LOVE! It's honestly not that hard to have some level of self-control.
I see his point really... He makes sense.. But I also feel it's a little bit paranoid to think you can't approach a woman..
Women can get pretty hostile about that sort of thing, especially if the guy is good looking or he has influence. Women automatically throw their barriers up around guys like that.
A guy who doesn't think like a predator.
It is a genuine concern that innocent flirtatious behavior will be construed as harrassment by a woman. Unfortunately, all it takes is a misinterpretation of a guy's intentions and a social media account to ruin a guy's life. Of course that makes guys think twice before approaching a woman.
As women i`m sure you won`t really understand him, But as a guy, i do know what the`s trying to say. Gotta be careful now a days. Cos you could just be staring at a girl or woman and she`s scream HARASSMENT lol if you get what i mean
Yes he's right. Making a false allegation of rape or sexual harrassment is very easy but impossible to disprove. Men are very vunerable and a lot of lives have been ruined.
His viewpoint is ridiculous. I’m sure he will become the poster boy for Incels everywhere. If a man is simply approaching a women he is interested in, he will not be called a rapist. The issue is that there have been many men who sexually assaulted or harassed women in Hollywood to have spurred the Me Too movement. If he is afraid, it likely means he feels guilty for his past actions towards women.
To an extent, yeah. I mean, I don't think most girls would criticize you for just asking them out, but there is the occasional crazy, especially for celebrities like Cavill.
Now, there is an exception: When a male thinks he's entitled to her. Then, she's allowed to cast him into the pits of hell.
He has a point. It's a perspective and a powerful one. I've seen it happen to one of my close ones. It's difficult to see because even I wouldn't believe but when it happens, it is just shocking. This comes out of nowhere, somewhere I too got shocked and needs to be careful
I watched it when I was in high school. The girl consented. Everybody knew it. She wanted it and was excited. We all knew about it days before it happened. She was scared her mother would found out afterwarfs and cried rape. Now he's a sex offender. It's a quick way to ruin a man's life.
What the fuck is he bitching about? He's like super handsome and has a fuck ton of money, he has absolutely nothing to complain about. As though he would even need to chase a woman, there's a gotta be millions lining up just to spend a second with him. I knew they never should've cast such a whiny twat as Superman.
There have been LOADS of women who have falsely accused men of rape. They don't seem to be punished for ruining men's lives, but men's lives and careers are ruined the moment a woman claims rape. The man are seen as guilty before any proof has even been shown.
Something needs to be done about this.
I think he’s slightly overstating it, but he has a point.
Nahhh i mean maybe some women are dipshits and think that every man who tries to talk to her had bad intentions, but i think most intelligent women aren't like that
I was at a bar a few weeks ago. A girl looked over.. for an extended period. I said "hello" from my seat at least 5 meter away. Her reply "fuck off" .. yet she was looking over for the full length of the bar
😂😂
Womens voices have been credited too much power. Back down to earth you trolls
Nah... Ridiculous.
Dude just talk to the girl. This whole...
"Oh no im a rapist"
Crap is such bullshit. I always talk to girls in clubs, bars and even cafes. Just chatting and they haven't assumed anything. Maybe fair few guys have a creepy look in their eye 😂
Yes and I will absolutely be taking measures to protect myself. I will not put myself alone in a room with a woman, I will not go out with a woman that's not somewhere very public, even a walk on the beach at morning is risky, and I absolutely will not help a drunk woman. Sure 99/100 women may be good, maybe even 9999/10000, but it just takes one to ruin my life forever
this is the dumbest response I've ever fucking heard
so basically you don't understand
I love how you're lording it over men. You never NEED to make the first move. You haven't been exposed to bad news stories and women's complaints about male behavior since you were little. And women are fucking impossible to read. Just think of the way women always tell guys they want a good guy and then guys are nice to women but she goes for the asshole.
It's so fucking easy to sit back and make fun of guys. Most guys never figure this out. Most guys don't pass on their genes. That is not funny.
Don't need to tell me mate. I've been rejected for half my life, I know it all.
Anyone should make a move if they want. The people that follow dating rules like the bible. Geez think for yourself. I'm not making fun of guys and girls are hard to read I don't let it rule my life though.
Still you want to talk to a girl go do it, unless anxiety etc is stopping you that's a whole other story.
@boulshyte Why do you think the guys statement is dumb?
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