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Please, don't treat kid as stupid. If they want to play family, the would take a doll, a plush, a rock or whatever and would say "this is the father" and then they would take a doll, a plush, a rock or whatever and would say "this is the mother". Kids has a special superpower to decide objects and toys gender by themselves. This toy is just another toy, it doesn't really have any capacity to confuse at all.
@AlienParasite Yes they can pretend a rock is a male doll or a female doll or whatever but in this case, you're giving them an actual doll and asking them to pretend. Why not just buy actual gender toys? Then not dictate how they use them? I'm not saying this is good or bad just that it's useless in it's target demographic. Like I said, if I had a three year and someone was talking to them about sex or sexuality, I would hella mad. That's way creepy
I just watched the video. I would have liked one of these as a child. Not because they're gender neutral which I really couldn't give two shits about but because they are so customisable. They are like a build your own Barbie. Which is exactly what I would have done... built multiple Barbie's and kens. Also they don't look gender neutral, they look like children. Which once dressed up, become a gender. The skirts, dresses and wigs obviously work for girls and the other stuff for boys. As a sexuality statement I say it's a fail but as a toy, it might not be half bad.
Well, I gotta say my three or four year old, who I still took baths with at the time started asking me where my penis was and grabbing at my breasts. I explained I was a girl and didn't have a penis. That answer satisfied him and I decided it was time to stop taking baths with him because I didn't want to be grabbed at and I didn't want to confuse him. So kids learn about differences and sexuality early. They play doctor, don't they?
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I mean its just a doll, people don't look into it. I'm sure if it's seen on a toy shelf, it will be bought...
@leahzrc remember your selling a product. When body positive barbie was released sales dropped 15%. Little girls didn't like fat barbie.www.google.com/.../why-young-girls-reject-the-new-curvy-barbie%3famp
well it's because the design is wonky. i think the more aesthetic the doll, the more likely it will be bought
@leahzrc nah it's because little girls don't want a fat barbie, they don't want a gender neutral barbie. They want s fashionable slim pretty barbie.
she isn't fat though. it is just weird looking and the clothes are the same clothes fashionwise
@leahzrc despite fat acceptance and fat models little girls don't went to grow up to be Ashley Graham.
i didn't even mention those things... like the dolls aren't even fat
@leahzrc fat enough
they are fatter than original barbie but they aren't fat hahaha
@leahzrc and little girls don't want them.
I have 3 girl cousins of different ages on both sides of the family and they play with them...
@leahzrc I'm sure it's not fat barbie lol and I'm sure if you have them gender neutral barbie or transexual barbie for Christmas they'd cry.
they all look the same. its not like kids assume that their doll is a transgender
@leahzrc the Adams Apple give it away.
i didn't even notice, also i didn't know what an adams apple was until i was 12
I meant society isn’t accepting of the different ways to train and prepare boys for fatherhood.
Boys do play with dolls ie action man and gi Joe
Unfortunately there are sick freaks out there who are so desperate in their degeneracy nowadays that they've taken to harassing kids, and this incident proves it.
Seeing transgender people doesn't make children question their gender any more than it would make you question your own.Nobody cares if it makes you sick.
To those who say stuff like "Children aren't going to learn gender differences" "children won't know what gender is their doll" "It's going to confuse them" Children with 6-12 years old already know what a boy is and a girl is and understand gender difference perfectly. They start learning gender difference at age of 2 and by the age of 4 they already know their gender and identify other people's gender. If you give them that agendered doll they aren't going to be confused. They are going to choose the doll gender by themselves. They don't need anyone or ony label in a box to decide that the doll is girl or boy because they want so. I mean, I choosed my plushes gender when I was 6, an none of my plushes looked like guys or girls. I even gave gender to office objects, as anything was subjected to be a doll. So, please, don't buy the speech that much, as almost every comment likes or hates the toy because of the speech and don't really comment or value the product by itself. Also, don't treat children as stupid thinking this toy has any possibility to confuse them. Children are smarter than most people think.
Why not have gender neutral clothing on dolls with genders instead? Otherwise I don't see how a gender neutral doll helps with this. Plus in many cultures men wear skirts and dresses
@lornakrys There are people who consider themselves gender binary. It helps them. But I agree with gender neutral dolls.
Gender neutral clothing for dolls I meant.
But would a kid who's that age know it's gender other than the biological gender it was born?
@The_White_Queen They can manifest these feelings at the age of 2. They might not know the terms but they know what they feel, like, and want.
I really try to be neutral in my responses but this is complete nonsense. A 2 year old doesn't even know the difference between a girl and a boy. They pretty much all like colors and sounds and maybe food and that's about it
@lornakrys Just because you don’t know it doesn’t make it untrue.And it’s at age 3, not 2. www.mayoclinic.org/.../art-20266811
Just because someone posts it online does not make it true. Where is the research supporting those statements? I had a strong preference for toys meant for the opposite gender ( trucks and stuff) and I can assure you I've never felt like a boy inside. In some cultures, there are dolls meant for boys. So are all the men in those cultures secretly women? I could also right a very nice sounding article with lots of advice and bullet points, doesn't make any of it substantiable. In your own experience have you found little kids worried about gender at 3 years old?
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There are studies that have been done over this and how they’ve found out how it manifests. It’s taught in child development classes. I’ll post a few after work because it’s asinine to assume that because you didn’t go through it, others didn’t. That study was speaking about transgender children and how they were able to recognize the differences between sexes and determine their personal gender identity. The Mayo Clinic is a reputable source on top of that. Again, just because you’re ignorant does not make it untrue.
I am avidly awaiting those sources. If I had been locked in to the say the profession I thought I wanted to be at three I'd be miserable now. I would have to see a credible study, their data set and statistical analyses methods before I can be convinced of this. Your link does not lead to an actual study, just statements. Mayo clinic may be credible but I want to see how credible the source study is. You'd be amazed how many statistically or data deficient studies get published. I've met 3 year olds who want to be unicorns. Should we implant horns on their foreheads? What if they turn five and want to be a horse instead? This is what children do. I've met 18 year olds who still don't know what they want to be, so when I hear of sex changes and hormone treatments for kids, I just want to yell at someone. I never take improbable sounding things as fact until I myself have examined the data. Otherwise Uganda would be called Tanzania since BBC, a very credible news source by the way, labelled it so. Please do forward those studies to me.
my dolls have been fucking since i was 5 years old
If kids are able to tell the gender of a plush toy like a teddy bear or a monkey that don't look too boyish or girly, or even tell the gender of rocks if they want, then they can tell the gender of any of this dolls by themselves. Kids won't be confused, they will simply have to choose the toy's gender by themselves
The fact that toys were so strongly gendered was annoying as hell. If I hadn'thad an older brother, I never would've gotten to play with an electric train, race cars, erector sets, vacu forms, builder sets, etc... I LOVED all HIS toys. I liked some of mine too. I dissembled the Chatty Cathy doll to see how it talked. Was really entertaining and informative. I think androgyny is OK. There's nothing wrong with gendered toys either. I think the whole issue is allowing all kids to play with ALL toys with no judgment.
I love how it's always the girls that thing it's okay. There's only two genders. If only your head was as soft as your heart.
Great idea let's start not parenting soon and see how much faster we can fuck up our kids. So stupid if you can't afford baby dolls try the word no or put down your crack pipes.
@xwh068 all I said is that it was more affordable. Sensitive much?
Yeah I'm tired of this gender neutral identify how you want crybaby bull shit. Outside plumbing = boy, indoor plumbing=girl. Fact I can't make that shit up. If your parents dropped the ball on that have a tissue but fuck teaching kids there no difference is how you get dudes driving through 3 states wearing someone else's face. Damn the country is getting fucking lazy and dumb. Anyone remember common Sense. That was good stuff wonder were it all went.
And why the hell is it cheaper new produces = new modes new matterials new clothes. The the fact is it's not cheaper to produce. Reality check come on back
@xwh068 in other words, yes, you are sensitive much.
I like a future where some pussy country didn't come take us over because we've all turned into neutral paussies. I'm proud of my country and I don't like seeing it too faced. Just like I'm sure it hurt your feelers or somebody said Elton John with straight. the way I feel about it if you can't be proud of America for what it was and what built it up to what it is now then gets fuck out
palmetto South to the golf though you go across the pond in the Brits kick your ass go the other way Kwanzaa last year on to Siberia Russia he is going to kick your ass in Canada want you so Mexico notorious by
You see what happened on that last message how come she's getting some dumb or smart phones are illiterate they can't even type out what I'm talkin. okay I really got to let this go ahead and fly just the way it is because it's exactly what I should say why can't you cut the lady and pitiful are smartphones are illiterate wow
Damn this one I'll type our country is getting so stupid even Google speech to text is illiterate and dumb. Lady's and gently men here is what happens with gender neutrality. It's so stupid it broke my smart phones speech to text. I believe the point I makes itself.
God bless America. (We sure need it)
@xwh068 your rant is very misplaced here. I suggest finding a different and healthy output for your pent up anger.
But some have breasts, therefore they are female in theory.
@Lunatic1 depending on how much they eat, men can have breasts too
All dolls have been gender neutral since the dawn of time because I remember when I was a kid and my brother ripped the heads off of all my ken dolls, I just used a barbie and cut her hair off. Ta-da changed the gender of the doll
@Valiant true point, but not perky ones like women.
And I do believe in the idea of teaching children about differences and acceptance. i don't know that these dolls will be all that important in teaching that, but they won't do any harm either.
barbie wasn't a bimbo, i dont know why everyone started hating on barbie just because she is pretty. I would rather buy the dolls that look indistinguishable but don't drag barbie like that I love that bitch
@leahzrc haha I loved my barbies and wished I looked like her but since I can choose I want my future baby girl to have more realistic views by playing with childlike toys also barbie is a bimbo, she's like the role model for bimbos lol I just learned "bimbofication" is a thing 🤦
they are just dolls that can be interpreted however the child wants to... Its not like the child sees the doll on a self and thinks "im a 5 year old and i totally want to buy that doll over there because it is a 'tranny'"
@leahzrc Eh, you never know. Kids pick up on things pretty fast, especially the profane. Think about when you were a little kid and your older brother or sister sad a bad word and you repeated it because you thought it was funny. I’m sure there will be little kids that point at them and say tranny and giggle. They may not know the entire implications of what they are saying but it will likely happen. As to why a kid wants usually want something, well that usually comes down to brainwashing through tv advertisements in between cartoons. Other than that it generally comes down to the roll of what the toy is doing. If it is a solider, a fireman, a police officer, a matador, an astronaut, a scientist, a ninja, a knight, a princess, a teenage bimbo, or whatever kids are usually going to pick out the role they think is cool so they can role play with their toys.
what i meant was that kids dont assume dolls are transgender because they have shorted hair or are wearing pants instead of a dress
@leahzrc When that is the case and things are not very clear and sterotypical they tend to get confused and ask questions like “Daddy why is that boys wearing a dress? That’s silly!”
If I was a kid i would just assume that its an ugly girl
@leahzrc Lol. Well different perspectives from people that had different childhoods.
well im the one that played with dolls...
@leahzrc When I was a kid we had “action figures“… G. I. Joe, Army Men, Transformers, LEGO men, Star Wars action figures, some kids had WWF wrestlers, etc. So while they were not marketed as dolls they were still little humanoid we were playing with. Same thing different marketing tactic.Doll: a small model of a human figure, typically one of a baby or girl, used as a child's toy.
The difference is that dolls aren't specific people. I knew you would mention action figures as if that is the person that the child creates from their own mind oof
@leahzrc A doll is just a little humanoid toy. It can fit any role you want it to or even no role at all. For example many artists own articulating wooden dolls that they use to model generic human body positions when drawing.But just like this is a doll:So to is this technically...One is just marketed to be famine and older because girls often want to feel like they belong in the group with their older sisters or mother so they mimic those roles in their role play. So they play house and make their barbie date and talk to guy dolls or play in their doll house and clean up and cook and crap like that. They have tea parties with their dolls and talk to them about food they cooked in their easy bake oven or whatever. In contrast a lot of boys have more masculine tough super hero like dolls that go off and fight to save the day from evil villains and win the war or whatever. We act like we have super strength and can fly around the house and do adventurous things. Thus the doll has to fit the role. So back to the tranny dolls, what role are they projecting? Who is the market for that? Why would it be a good business decision for a toy company?
Look I don't have enough focus to read that but im the one that played with barbie and bratz and American girl doll whatever, so whatever we are talking about, I probably know more about doll play lmao
@leahzrc So your default when you lose an argument is to proclaim you know everything. What a moron.
You'd be correct.https://www.girlsaskguys.com/img/37128
I actually wish it were a choice.
It is bisexual prove that, as well as most gay people, have the same origin story about the fatherless house or playing with there mothers clothes or being touched on
So this is only about boys? And not girls? And what about the boys that have fathers that are active present and enagaing in their son's life? I know a few of them that are homosexual. I genuinely don't believe that being homosexual is a choice, similarly to how I believe that sexuality in general is not a choice but something you grow into with base components.
A woman who doesn't have their father in their life or get abused usually become gay or hypersexual
Their kid might have suffered teams that triggered it whether it media or another person
So if there is a "trigger" is it really a conscious choice?
if its profitable than that really just speaks for itself...
@leahzrc a great book may be read by few, or movie watched, not because of its inherent value, but because it isn't marketed, or promoted in a compelling way, which motivates those who experience the marketing, the foundation for many whether or not to pursue further, while something far lower quality, but better marketed, will achieve widespread popularity, because its "cover" attracts attention. Quality often 'doesn't speak for itself.I would be interested to hear you expand on your vague claim made without any additional points, facts, or support of any kind, as if it is true simply on the basis you concluded it.
what are you even saying at this point
tons of people are buying dolls like it's gonna sell lmao
@leahzrc based on your valley girl/Kardashian language, mixed with your oversimplified thinking, I am not surprised anything over a paragraph, which couldn't fit in a tweet, would be incomprehensible to you.
how do i speak valley girl or kim k, also everything i have said makes sense, get over yourself
@leahzrc apologies for not "getting over myself"... I didn't realize you gave yourself authority to decide what I should or shouldn't say/do. Please provide specific instruction on how I should conduct my actions to please you.
what are you even trying to talk about at this point
@leahzrc why not? Because of your preferences. I try to obey you, in all your wisdom on what I should, and shouldn't do to please you, yet you fail to offer any instructions on what I am allowed to say/do or not to make you happy my princess..
I thought ken was the original
@DizzyDesii GI Joe didn't have no parts either. But I liked him better than Ken. Ken was dull. GI Joe had a jeep and bazooka and knives! OK Ken did have fancy clothes. But GI Joe was also a big posable doll before the mattel dolls could bend and pose. Man, I wish I'd have gotten one. He was a boy's toy though. So I didn't feel comfortable asking for one... If I had one, It'd be worth a fortune.
@Screenwriter i had a gi joe and a ken. I didn't like how joes legs and arms could break off easily like those cheap mattel dolls above. Ken was bae. Instill have him
@DizzyDesii Girl, I'm old. I'm talking about the 12 inch GI Joe, not the newer small ones. He was hot! Had abs and all. They had black ones and white ones. Lots of outfits and guns. I only played with one once or twice, but I was smitten. He had so much cool swag. guns and all... there was one that had a KNIFE THROWING ARM!!! don't get me started about my toy dreams... fifty years later I'm still thrilled...
@Screenwriter sounds like the OG sex doll 😂
@DizzyDesii Well, he was sexy in a way and sexless in the most significant way... oddly enough...
Omg sideways xD