Leaving aside the specifics of the case, there being no obvious defense for the police officer, the country is getting a taste of what life would be like absent the police. As Hobbes said of the state of nature, it would be "Nasty, brutish and short."
If anything, the current upheavals are highly reminiscent of the 1960s. Race riots, routinely referring to police as "pigs," the counterculture and so on. This time, however, amplified by social media.
Be that as it may, as can be seen in the pusillanimous Governor of Minnesota and the Mayor of Minneapolis over four full nights, the lessons of those decades past have not been remembered. Instead, they bow and scrape before the "honest feelings" of the crowd and restrict the action of law enforcement on the preposterous assumption that defending law and order will be taken as provocative.
The net result will be businesses burned to the ground, jobs permanently lost and communities decimated. As often as not minority communities for whom these leaders have been shedding crocodile tears.
Fun fact, by the mid-1970s, a Gallup poll found that 71% of women - and 92% of African-American women - reported feeling unsafe walking in their own neighborhoods at night. Such were the fruits of a culture that emphasized feelings over thought, that prized "understanding" over order. That characterized the criminal not as a responsible being but as a victim of the "establishment" or the "police" or "the man" or "racism" or whatever. (The list of oppressors being endless and endlessly flexible in its definition.)
So now we go down the same path again. The idea that the cop who killed George Floyd ought be charged with a crime being somehow seen to be incompatible with the idea that rule of law must still be enforced. So insipid Governors yammer on about understanding the peaceful protesters - as if it will be possible to separate them out of the crowd from the violent protesters - instead of imposing order and keeping the streets calm.
It is a grotesque spectacle born of a culture that has lost the capacity for reason. It does not matter how you feel. Once upon a time grown adults were expected to control their emotions and restrain their actions, no matter the provocation. Now we are expected to understand their passions as the cities burn.
Suffice to say, with that pathetic standard, there will be many more cities lit aflame.
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I'm not American, and I'm not familiar with the story.. but I did hear about the Aubrey incident.. which was itself a totally hyped up, media driven operation.. it seems people love identity politics so much, they will just keep on looking for an incident to confirm the whole identity politics narrative and racial polemic.
Judging a whole society by one cherry picked incident... when the Aubrey incident turned out to be largely the "victims" fault.. that requires a doubling down to find a new excuse to judge a whole country at racist, as long as a single example can be found to prove the theory, while police get vilified on mass, and crime statistics and common sense go out the window, in the double standards of evidence that get applied to interpreting reality, to justify the "systemic oppression" accusation, which excuses irresponsibility and unaccountability that are the primary cause of any the statistical disparities in policing. Watch the Rubin Report, and listen to what Larry Elder had to say on this issue... these cultural events create by journalists, who use fake principles inspire vulnerable narcissism as a political ideology, forcing everyone to get entrenched in defending against toxic racialist generalisations, instead of attending to the root cause of the issue: there is a disparate crime rate, and the police are human, so they develop stereotypes based on their own experiences: if there was no disparate crime rate, then systemic arguments might hold some water, but as it stands, they are just a diversion from handling the toxic culture irresponsibility and naccountability, promoted by esoteric complaints based on racism, under the false banner of 'anti racism'
My opinion is very cute and dry. He did not deserve the hand that was dealt to him. He had done nothing wrong. He did not resist arrest. Those cops were intimidated simply by his size. I dont think it was a race thing. I think the cop was merely a pussy and afraid that this big man was going to take him out. There were 3 cops involved in this. 3 cops were kneeling on George. One on his neck, one on his back and one on his legs. This poor man, who hadn't even been resisting, was murdered by these sorry excuses of law enforcement. Not to mention that the charges they got him on were in fact false. I know there is a lot of debate on what had actually happened but the original news article released stated that George Floyd had attempted to write a check to purchase merchandise and the cashier thought it was a fake check so they called police. Later determining that the check wasn't a fake at all. George Floyd was described as a gentle giant who often spoke of peace and nonviolence. George Floyd cried out for his deceased mother while he couldn't breath under the weight of those police officers. George Floyd begged for his life multiple times and said "They're going to kill me". Not once did he resist. Not even slightly. Even when he couldn't breath and was in a complete panic, he still did not fight back. When paramedics arrived and told the cops to check for a pulse, they refused. When they were told to get off of George as he lay unconscious, they refused. As I said, I dont think it was a race thing. I truly believe it was abuse of power. They knew what they were doing. They didn't care. And all 3 of them should be charged with murder. Not just the cop who was on his neck. They all contributed.
it crazy even crazier they didn't even arrest the guys. they got fired and sent home to thier beds. george got a body bag
the outrage came from that... they had to "find" proof. if i or you did they we would of been in jail awaiting a trial. But then again it took them forever to arrest the normal white guys who shot a black man for jogging unarmed. becasue he look suspicious.
IT not your community when you DO pay taxes but you still get profile... daily and judge... again daily. over time it very hard to respect something that people remind you that your somehow just" here"
I do not condemn looting or violence of any kind. I mean none.
BUT there's SO MUCH HURT. centuries of it.
MLK was a peaceful man still got shot On April 4, 1968
for what? He just wanted America to stand buy it words: that we're all equal. we clearly know it not true.
and sorry america was built on violence hate and blood... it all america really knows.
paying for the sins of our fathers is pretty much where we all fall. that my opinion and to just delude this to simple looting and paying attention to "just" that mean your not much a wiser than the people who is doing all the senseless looting. The problem is something that is built in our society in the worst way. yes something needs to be done. Do you have a solution? at this moment i dont. I'm at a lost considering this isn't something new. No i feel more powerless than ever consider america was ok with a man like trump governing them.
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Its really sad but what did he even do for the police to have reasonable suspicion?
I saw the video yesterday. What the police officer did to him was very heartless. The police officer was just looking down at him the whole time without any expression on his face. That was so creepy. He stared at Mr. Floyd the whole time he was killing him. He seemed to not care at all about what he was doing.
The video was really sad to watch. Especially when Mr. Floyd stopped complaining after awhile and went completely silent because he wasn't conscious anymore.
It's unbelievable how cold both of the policemen behaved. The other officer was just standing there, acting like all of this was normal. The man who was kneeling on Mr. Floyd's neck was on him for such a long time. He had to have known he was doing something wrong, especially when Mr. Floyd became unresponsive. And even then, he refused to release him and continued to put his body weight onto Mr. Floyd's neck.
That whole situation was completely unnecessary and overdone. From my understanding, Mr. Floyd was already in handcuffs. So there was no reason to continue to try and harm him after he couldn't even fight back and wasn't trying to.I think it is incredibly sad that loves are lost, it doesn't make a different what race/colour or creed they are. They are lives!
George Floyd RIP
It is apparent that usofa cops are not taught properly at all, no empathy, no proper tactics in dealing with situations in the correct manner.
They just assume that everyone is a killer, sadly a black man is seen as a bigger threat.
Cops don't care for right and wrong, they don't even ask the questions or approach calmly. They just pull their guns and start shouting, 9/10 people would question that and the cops automatically see this as resisting, this amplifying their behaviour.
Cops believe in the badge they wear and that it will protect them because theybare "the law!"
usofa are hell bent on the 2nd amendment, they believe it is their right!! No one has the right to bear arms! It is retarded and out dated.
Because of that, "the law!" Automatically assumes that everyone is a killer, more so if it fits their narrative because it is easy to look for the nearest black man to point the finger at.
The neck should never ever be a point of a human beings body to have that considerable amount of force on, even for half a minute!
No one learns thoigh, just keep the wheel turning!
It's fucking stupid!"Allegedly" he tried to pay with a fake $20 bill. My question is, the video shows Mr. Floyd being taken out of his vehicle, put in handcuffs and sat down on a curb, all the time offering no resistance, so how did this escalate to him being on the ground with a Police officer's knee on his neck, while at least one other officer can be seen doing nothing. The officer with the knee on Mr. Floyd's neck had his hands in his pockets, while the other officer was basically just looking around, so how did an unarmed, handcuffed man pose any threat to 4 trained, armed Police officers? The officer in question is apparently a problem child, having several complaints against him for excessive force, so how was he allowed to still be on the streets, and what kind of training was he and the other officers given in handling restraining 1 non-combative man, and why are not all 4 officers behind bars at this moment? They really need to expedite this, make the arrests and put these depraved officers behind bars for the rest of their lives. I'm sure more info will be coming, but I really can't see this as being anything short of murder of a restrained, unarmed man, and the fact that the dead man is black and the officers, at least the 2 in the video are white, this has got to stop, and they are giving a bad reputation to all Police.
It's business as usual. Another Black man unjustly killed by racist police officers. It's a real problem in our society that people either deny or simply don't care about because their political party and ideologies are more important than the truth. They also believe that, by calling it, we're demonizing White people even though these issues don't represent all White people. Because of that, we live in a society where a large portion of the population believe that police officers can do no wrong. Statistics prove that Black people are 5 times more likely than White people to be killed by the police when unarmed. Of course, as they usually do, they attempt to blame the victim and demonize the Black man in most of these cases. In his case, they said that he supposedly paid for his items with a counterfeit $20 bill without any evidence. Other sources say that he attempted to write a bad check, also without evidence. This shows that can't even come to an agreement on how to demonize him. Even if there was evidence for either accusation, it still doesn't warrant kneeling on the suspect's neck and suffocating him. Floyd was also handcuffed through the whole ordeal. I have a friend that I grew up with that is a police officer. She said that the cop did everything that they were taught not to do in the police academy. A cop is responsible for anything that happens to a suspect when he or she is handcuffed. The video shows that he wasn't resisting and he was begging for help, saying he couldn't breathe. I'm happy that the cops were fired and the main one was arrested. However, I won't fully be satisfied until a cop actually gets life in prison for murder for a change for abusing their power and killing people unjustly. Unfortunately, instances such as these are only going to keep happening and people are going to continue denying that it is a problem for political reasons.
What the hell is wrong with police across the nation and why has our government stepped in and made some serious changes obviously they need to do a revamp to the hiring process like make the psych test a lot harder go back further to make sure they weren't victims of being bullied in high school or at least see how they handle it if they were bullied and after 3 excessive force charges filed on an officer bring in an outside nongovernmental company to evaluate the officer and terminate if received another and bring criminal charges to these cops that clearly murdered this poor man and hopefully the man's family will sue the shit out of the police there and it's ridiculous that protester's are always got to turn to stealing and attacking innocent citizens and stores I think what they did to the police station will make our government wake up cause America's sick of this bullshit and if something isn't done we're all going to hate to see what rioters will do next I mean come on it wasn't that long ago people were shooting cops these cops had better stop thinking they can do whatever they want and everybody is just gonna let it happen it's always seems like it's these veteran cop with sketchy records whoever is supposed to be policing the police need to have some shit put on them for not doing their jobs the future of America is looking pretty bad these days is this the America we're supposed to be proud of? The powers that be need to realize that ignoring this shit is going to bring America to a war zone do your jobs
I was shown the full footage and am completely appalled, outraged and sadden. This is what drives me insane as I know that it isn't compulsory for all officers in the states to be trained in first aid (and I find that whack as facing situations where they're dealing with life/death crisis, one would imagine it to be highly nessicary!) But as a normal human being one should know a knee to the neck plus being pinned down on the stomach can prevent proper breathing, plus his nose was bleeding so proper breathing was obstructed, plus the fear and anxiety he must have been feeling probably caused him to hyperventilate!! But these cops were far from normal and absolutely not understanding of "protecting and serving", cause again, a NORMAL AND SANE person would understand when one says "I'm in pain, I can't breathe". As a nurse, as someone who is dating an EMT, I've seen and witnessed, I've heard horrific stories, but I've never witnessed such brutal murder like this. I truly hope that more is done then these officers just simy being "relieved of their duties", no, this was murder, if they don't know how to properly serve their community, they can rot and serve time.
The rioters are disgusting. No one objects that what happen to Floyd was wrong. Yet even when the police department fire the 4 cops (something not normally done), the mayor is on your side, Trump is on your side, an investigation is launched. But still, still you riot. Normally people riot because they want to see justice served and they feel it isn’t happening. But this is just rioting for its own sake when everyone is one your side and was willing to give you everything you wanted. But even that wasn’t enough, what happens when you prove yourselves to be unable to be reasoned with and won’t stop? The government will put their foot down and it won’t be pretty.
It is funny that many people at GaG think that people should not protest now and wait for some action by the government. When the only reason the police were fired was due to the public outcry.
The DA is refusing to prosecute. The FBI is supposedly investigating, but it is run by William Barr. . . so there isn't much hope there. The only thing likely to happen is a civil suit for a few million dollars.
But Mohammed Noor? That mug is in jail for 12 years.
Mohammad Noor has been arrested. He turned himself in last month. Do you agree with the charge of murder?The video had me so angry. I was so so angry. Who do police think they are? They were invented to serve the public... in old magazines you'd see policemen carrying gas to broken down cars with a smiling face. What has happened? The whole system's fallen apart. What did they become police for in the first place? Everything about that was so so wrong
It seems pretty straight forward. The guy died from an asthma attack that was exacerbated by excessive force of one police officer. The medical examiner ruled it a homicide. So he should probably eventally be charged with second degree murder. All officers at the scene were fired and the one involved in the homicide is under investigation by the FBI apparently. All citizens have a right to due process so you just have to let it run it’s course through the judicial system. But rather than doing the right thing and being honest with people, the media lied to people about what happened because it generates ratings and gets people emotional. Then black people burned down their own neighborhood which is what they always do. It’s a cultural thing. When something bad happens to an individual they burn down their low cost housing and wipe out the jobs and conveniences in their community rather than waiting for a trial. Same shit different year.
More of the US's descent into psychopathy and lunacy.
Talk about being a psychologically disturbed nation.
And Trump's twitter response was telling and psychopathic as usual.
He spoke of his memory being honoured. By brushing it under the carpet? He couldn't give the slightest of shits about him. He was killed for nothing and the officers were just sacked.
People riot and act out in the face of injustice.
There is no accountability, no empathy, and no responsibility, no acknowledgement of a problem. So yes, people riot. What do you expect? It beggars belief.It was horrible and couldn't have been handled worse.
But the way people have been using his death as a tool for identity politics is disgusting. The police officer may have been racist but we have no evidence to show that. He seemed to be fine with his Asian colleague. He equally and more likely could've just been an arsehole.
However, it seems like his death has been used as an excuse to reinforce group think/identity politics. Liberals tend to view the world through separate identity groups as opposed to individuals. Everyone gets separated into categories like race.the policeman and all the other police people that were there when that happened should go to prison. seriously. this is the least that should happen here. no "sorry". this is inexcusable and if you're a policeman, standing or sitting next to another policeman actively killing a captive person that is already under control and not fighting back, then they are guilty of not doing their job of protecting the law and should at least also go to prison for careless manslaughter. the one that kneed the guy to death obviously should go to prison for murder or face death sentence, if that's what the law foresees for murder where he did that.
What started off as a legitimate reason to be pissed has devolved into an excuse to destroy and steal, despite adamant condemnation of such actions by Floyd's family. Now the protestors have become rioters, and are now the bad guys themselves. It's worth mentioning that while the media would have everyone believe that this is solely a reaction to a cop killing a black man, the rioters have now burnt, damaged or destroyed at least 30 (some sources say over 100) businesses and shops just in Minneapolis/St Paul alone (there's also rioting in Atlanta and a couple other cities and protests all over), many of which are owned or operates by ethnic minorities themselves. That's a LOT of people who have now had their lives crushed by these idiots, and they had absolutely nothing to do with the original incident.
Personally, I have no sympathy whatsoever for looters and rioters but this has already gone way too far. I honestly hope they get shot.It was a tragedy that never needed to happen!
Sadly, the GREATER tragedy, is the riots and looting of businesses that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS MURDER!!!
Many of these are Mom & Pop local businesses, and these FUCKING BASTARDS are destroying people's lives, for no reason other than they cannot control their rage into a better, more constructive format!
These BASTARDS burned down a housing complex, under construction, for LOW INCOME UNITS!! That makes NO sense at all!!
All the damage they are doing won't bring this man back, and just further separates the ones that might support them, in the wrongful death cause, but the vandalism and looting makes those just hate everything about it!
They have passion, and rage, but it is going in the wrong places and HURTING THE SUPPORT THEY NEED for the cause, with the violence and looting!! SOOO STUPID!!It was absolutely wrong of the police. People are obviously enraged, and will continue to be if the policeman who killed George Floyd isn't brought to justice. This is not done. And good we have cameras today so people can't lie about what actually happened.
It was a horrible incident and it shouldn't have happened. I've been reading through the opinions and people keep talking about the rioting and looting saying there is a better way... I feel like these people are unaware that there are peaceful protests and people are getting teargassed, paint gassed, shot (a woman is now blind in one eye), run over, shoved onto the concrete so hard that they have a seizure by the very people that are suppose to be protecting them (police/ military) they gassed people on their front porch of their home jfc
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I think minneapolis police especially have had an ongoing problem as they have a history of "touchy" and abusive police. Why... I don't know. Philando Castile was another... and the cop was not prosecuted.
he was killed as he was under control by police... just like this guy. this guy most haven't heard of.. he doesn't fit the profile of what sets off emotion or media. It's not just race.* It's a turning point, but can't say which way we are turning, towards heaven or hell?
* It's giving people free right to do what they want... and that is bad for the rest of us who abide by order.Its horrible what the person did. I'm not calling him an officer of the law because I don't feel based on what I've heard and seen so far that he upheld the law. That being said there are a lot of opportunist that are using this story to further their agenda which in my opinion isn't any better than what the officer did. You don't fight ignorance with more ignorance. If i was the lawyer defending the officer I would be happy about whats going on. Now he has leverage that he shouldn't have. Now he can claim that a fair and unbiased trial is not going to be possible. He can use the riots as part of an explanation of a population that is out control warranting his use of the knee on neck to as an attempt to maintain order and protect himself in a hostile environment. All shitty do why give them any ammo. You have people using taking afvantage and its sad
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