The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has determined Dr. Cosby should have never been tried and thereby ordered his immediate release.
Do you believe the justice system should be held accountable for the time he was incarcerated? Should they be required to publicly apologize to the comedian? Should they also be held liable for damaging his reputation?
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To begin with, anyone who uses vulgarities to express an opinion, has a very uneducated opinion.
Second, I'd suggest the guilt, or lack thereof, is not the focus. The focus is that of two trials and the incarceration that should have never happened.
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I appreciate all the colorful arguing, but the point has nothing to do with Dr. Cosby being guilty or not.
The question is that now that the verdict has been tossed out, so you think that the D. A.'s office will or should face ramifications.
And please, with all respect, try not to use vulgarities in your opinion. Doing so only suggests that you opinion is weak.
What are your thoughts about Dr. Bill Cosby being released?
Let's face it: Cosby's conviction was never actually about whether or not he ever raped anyone. It was about the fact that he publicly disavowed CRT, and embarrassed Obama. He was a political prisoner. The rape story was pursued to conviction in spite of violation of due process, because of Obama's hatred for America, and judges being corrupt.
Cardi B. has been a faithful woke NPC, so her rapey actions were deemed "female empowerment" by the same ghouls who, in the same breath, defend Hunter Biden but spew Tide from their mouths over Trump's locker room talk from over a decade ago. The same ghouls that will get a man in North Dakota robbed of his family and home for no reason and have him treated like a sex offender if he gets within 500 feet of a school bus over some sociopathic CPS worker's disproven narrative about imaginary dead babies buried in the back yard, and cheer how virtuous they are for destroying a man over his "white supremacist" beard; yet these same ghouls defended Kate Hunt's indefensible actions in 2014. To the point of making terrorist threats against Facebook users who weren't buying it!
It's been written that the fool says there's no God. I'd argue, likewise, only a fool says demons aren't also real. Their dark influence has generated so much mental illness, it's amazing society today can even pretend to still function.
What I am saying is coming from my experience as a corrections officer so take it or leave it. Convictions or acquittals are RARELY about whether or not someone is actually guilty. If guilt or lack of was the driving factor, judges would NEVER throw out evidence. Convictions or acquittals are about which attorney reads and explains the law better and which attorney is more convincing. Basically, it is all about following the correct procedures set by the courts. Viewing reality from this lens, Cosby's release is correct. The 5th Amendment of the U. S. Constitution protects the suspect from being forced to saying anything that might incriminate a suspect UNLESS THE SUSPECT WILLINGLY gives up that right IN THAT SPECIFIC CRIMINAL CASE. However, the 5th amendment DOES NOT APPLY to civil cases. In the civil case, Cosby was forced to make certain statements. Civil cases are supposed to be separated from criminal cases and evidence obtained in a civil case is not valid evidence for future criminal cases. However, evidence from a criminal case can be used in a civil case. This tainted his criminal trial. Nobody knows whether or not he is guilty. What matters is if the correct procedures were followed to obtain his conviction. Since the correct procedures were NOT followed, Cosby's rights were violated and therefore his conviction was vacated.
Though not in this case, they're also often about a guilty plea to get a minimum sentence even though you're not guilty, to avoid the risk of a long sentence.
You clearly don't understand how the justice system works do you. People are INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY, IN A COURT OF LAW, WITH DUE PROCESS, By a JURY OF THEIR PEERS. If so much as ONE of those things is missing then they CANNOT BE GUILTY.
Actually, the Fifth Amendment does apply in civil cases. That is why the DA announced that they would not prosecute Cosby. They wanted to take away his right to invoke the Fifth Amendment in the civil case so that he would make incriminating statements.
@Matthew2222 In theory, but not in practice. Many people I was in charge of in our jail lost their jobs because they could not afford bail and therefore had to sit in jail. Those guys were punished before their verdict came in. Most of them were found not guilty later. So this "innocent until proven guilty" notion is false. The Constitution tries to aim for that ideal, but it is just an ideal. Then there is the media who paints a picture that people believe before someone has a chance to prove themselves. So yes I DO know how the criminal justice system works better than most.
Its not a matter of "theory" or "practice" YOU STUPID FUCK. That is how OUR justice system works, and ONLY the courts can make those decisions. It is not something a low level functionary like yourself gets to pass judgment on. Just SHUT THE FUCK UP, you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about.
He's a rapist plain and simple. He may not be in jail but that doesn't and never will mean that the testimony of women he sexually abused does not exist. If God, heaven and hell or something of the like exists he'll be judged properly once he dies.
And he was released on a technicality. If the original DA had charged him at the time he'd still be rioting in jail as all rapists deserve to. As it was the original DA did not, the second DA was stupid in using information at face value rather than reviewing it in the subsequent case. If the second DA had done their job properly instead of quickly he'd still be rioting in jail as all rapists deserve to be.
@MrShaun all this is is an acquittal, simply means prosecutor failed to prove, not that a rapist is innocent. The thing is is he can be charged with related crimes, such as endangerment, in the future and end up rioting in jail
You're correct in that acquitted. And for good reason. And no, the prosecutor's office has been told by the state's Supreme Court that they are not able to try him on anything related again.
It'll be interesting to see what Dr. Cosby's next move will be.
@MrShaun - nothing. If he has a brain he will keep his head down. Try anything and the courts can have him charged for related crimes to sexual assault such as endangerment, etc. The only thing he is not to be charged with is sexual assault. Everything else in the lawbook is free game.
Once one understands why he was released it seems appropriate. His release had nothing to do with what he was found guilty of, but because he was promised no prosecution if he told truth which he did. If the legal eagles made such a stupid deal then so be it. It makes Cosby no less guilty for what he did!
@David_Kek No it doesn't! The only reason Cosby was given this deal if he confessed was so the accuser in civil court could (and did) sue him for several million dollars. The belief was that they were not convinced with evidence they had criminality was enough to convict.
That's not true, the falsely accused are given these deals all the time, and stupidly take them out of fear, as the Innocence Project has shown. The American justice system is a joke internationally, being less interested in justice, and more interested in winning, as if justice is even a game to begin with.
I'm outside of info on the cosby thing, but I would like to add in such a thing as "we won't throw you in jail if you confess" will lead to people confessing independent of whether or not they did the crime, with the rationale that it's better than what might happen should they fail to defend themselves.
@DevikaButts95 That is true! In the Cosby case I think the government didn't think they could convict him, but if they made the deal at least the women had a chance of getting some revenge in civil court where she was awarded several Million dollars. Beats coming out of it empty handed had a jury trial exonerated him.
Sometimes, the law must base decisions on factors extraneous to the case. E. g., a client confesses a murder to his attorney and the attorney, overwhelmed by the knowledge, tells the prosecutor. Finding and punishing the guilty party is the goal of every prosecution but the rules of evidence say that the prosecution is not admissible and cannot be used at trial; if such confessions were admissible, clients would not feel free to openly communicate with their lawyers and that would hinder the person's right to have competent legal representation. That societal concern is given more weight than the prosecution in the individual case and the guilty man may go free.
Such is the case with Dr. Cosby. Those who want to see him punished are trying to spin the facts to make the decision look absurd and to suggest that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is filled with idiot judges who reached the wrong result. However, I urge anyone who is interested in this matter to read the decision of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court:
Don't really care. But I wonder who's getting a Hot Cosby next. (joking)
I also think this is finally the end of the MeToo, "guilty until proven innocent" era. I hope Johnny Depp finally gets justice.
And although it was overshadowed, on the same day, Allison Mack from "Smallville," guilty of the human trafficking stuff, got sentenced only to three years. Everyone pointed out how if she was a man, she would've gotten five times that amount and that three years is a slap on the wrist because she is a white attractive young woman.
He's going to die in like another year or two. His legacy will forever be tarnished. His life's work has been undone. Much of his family probably disowned him. All his money is gone. He has nothing left. I guess that's probably why I don't care. If it was someone younger and richer like Weinstein or Spacey, it'd probably be a bigger deal to me and I'd probably be upset.
Cosby should be locked up for the rest of his life. But unlike most people I actually dug deeper and read up on what really happened.
Cosby was promised years ago that if he testified in a civil trial that he would not be criminally liable. During a CIVIL trial (again not criminal) he admitted to drugging women. That testimony was used against him in the criminal trial to secure his conviction. This is a blatant violation of due process. This is why his conviction was overturned.
Yes this should of never happened but again the prosecution can’t violate their own oath and that’s exactly what they did.
No matter how much you hate the defendant you can NOT deny due process to anyone no matter how unpopular they are. There has been a push for mob rule in the United States recently and it’s scary.
My understanding is he was found guilty on the merits of one case that was still within the 12 year window. But there were many more for which he could not be tried. He was recently freed only because of some legal process violation, not because new evidence had come to light to exonerate him. I interpret this as he's morally guilty, he probably did the crime (s), he's got good lawyers, he's legally free. From a purely legal standpoint, yes, they should apologize for not following procedure and messing up the trial. Whether they is to him or their bosses, I'm not sure.
I think either you have tangible evidence of a crime or it shouldn't be a guilty verdict.
Thats what I think about every criminal case a court sees.
I also think that since I have zero evidence of him committing crimes, my opinion on it it is moot. Maybe he's guilty, maybe he's not, and I'm not going to pretend that I know the answer.
People are too quick to rely on the media. Turning the tv off is the best idea, news stations are 90% bs anyway, be it good news or bad news.
He has been released after the Supreme Court of your country's state Pennsylvania found him innocent, the rule of law was followed, and he is an innocent man. I do believe that he should be compensated for time spent inside prison and reputation and earnings lost. Also I believe he should proceed to file criminal defamation charges against all those who lied under oath against him in court.
No opinion. I heard about it but I don't know any details. I don't know how he was ever put in jail to begin with. He was accused of crimes from the 1960's and 70's..."was it consensual or not" kind of thing. How can you prove one way or the other sex was consensual or not 40 years later?
I still have no opinion about what went down. I don't really follow it closely though.
I didn't follow all the details of this case, but I'm in the middle. On one hand, why did all these women accusing him of this wait so long and only came forward now, many many years later. On the other, there's so many women accusing him, hard to ignore that (but could some be doing it for publicity and money? Wouldn't surprise me at all).
I didn't hear that he was released. WTF is wrong with out law system. This piece of shit needs to rot in prison and die in prison. There's no excuse for rape.
You seem like a nice enough young lady. Try not to disparage your own comments with vulgarities. You don't need to.
Look, I'm not a big fan of rapists either but I'm far from a believer of someone crying rape. Especially in the case of a week known star that has so much money that so many women started to jump on the so-called bandwagon.
In this country one is suppose to be presumed innocent and I would agree wholeheartedly. I've seen too many gentlemen with their reputation tarnished and lives upended because of these dishonest women.
Thankfully it's why the first jury was hung and the second jury's verdict had been thrown out.
It’s not whether or not he is guilty. I think he is as guilty as the day as long and should rot in person for his remaining miserable years. But look what @libsaretards wrote (yeah I know his screen name is provocative but never mind that for this particular debate). He is spot on. Cosby’s due process was definitely violated. Unfortunately that blatant legal screw up by the prosecution is what got him off
Right. It's not that he didn't do the crimes he CONFESSED to. It's that the prosecution screwed up. I was so disappointed when these crimes came to light. I used to love the Cosby Show when I was a kid. What a damn shame...
@420Rachel well the guy is old af (83) and going blind. His reputation is destroyed. I don’t think he’s going to be around much longer tbh.
Anyway I’m not defending him. But I remember his accuser kept hanging out with him after the incident happened. That doesn’t make what he did alright but still just saying.
@MrShaun these incidents are rarely black and white. Yes Cosby is a rapist but there are different gradations of that crime. It’s heinously fucked up that he drugged her but still by why the hell did she keep talking to him and hanging out?
@420Rachel I sometimes hear women talking about rape fantasies and/or being dominated by a random stranger.
Now I sure as hell don’t think Andrea Constadt (Cosby’s accuser) had a fantasy of being drugged and raped. But still these bizarre fantasies get realized for some women and then what? If she was violated then she would want nothing to do with that oxygen wasting pos later. She should be disgusted by any thought of him. I can understand how some women need time to recollect before going to the police. But still she was still hanging out with him?
My biggest concern is how some feminists are pushing this “believe all women” bs insanity. I’m sorry but if you consent to sex and regret it later than YOU made a mistake but you were NOT raped.
What about thieves? Thieves are cowards who like to steal behind people’s backs, lied about it, run away, and robbed, or mugged people with their friends. How come you not talking about them?
Try some US rockers , that I will not name who openly set about relations with under age girls , far far far more than the likes of Cosby or Rolf Harris.. This has been a witchunt for those with the most Clout
It feels like he's been rotting in jail for 2 decades when in fact it was only 3 years.
Also the law is a tricky thing many criminals walk the streets and many innocents are behind bars so I don't think anyone is in a position to point a finger at the man and call him a guilty monster. Especially when there are people who have literally done the same but were never even taken to court
My issue has always been those high up Hollywood people ALL do these disgusting things or turn a blind eye to them but look who gets tarred and feathered.
Cosby - black Epstein - a Jew Weinstein - a Jew Kevin Spacey WASP - accuser was suicided and he's acting again.
"Should not have been tried" is not the same as "innocent of the charges". A prosecutor promised him that he would not be prosecuted, inducing him to submit to a civil deposition, then he was later prosecuted. He was released because the prosecutor's promise was binding and precluded criminal prosecution on that evidence.
Nobody should be held accountable for damaging his reputation other than himself. The courts didn't pursue some vendetta against him, they merely tried him for the accusations of his alleged victims. He could try to sue one of his victims but he won't, because he knows he's guilty. Let's not forget that he gave incriminating evidence about himself as part of a deposition that came with the agreement that he wouldn't be prosecuted. This is part of the reason that his conviction has been overturned
The best thing for Bill Cosby to do would be to die. It's not like his reputation is salvageable now anyway no matter what he does.
I don't know bot. There are sure a bunch of people who support him and his acquittal. And actually think this Constad was nothing more than a, "slut who was grabbing for money." I guess that's why these discussions come up.
I don't know either of them personally, but it sure seems Dr. Cosby has grounds for a lawsuit if he wanted to pursue it against the D. A.'s office. The issue is that a lawsuit really could wind up being for hundreds of millions of dollars and when you refer to the D. A.'s office, you're really talking about an office in government that the people support with their tax money. So what it would equate to is the tax players paying this ginormous judgment. Considering the state only has a population of about 13 million, it would actually have an affect on every household. It does seem like Dr. Cosby is a pretty good stand up type of guy and wouldn't likely want to impose that kind of harm on his fellow citizens.
No one owes him an apology for "damaging his reputation", because he isn't innocent and is getting of on a technicality.
He shouldn't have gotten prosecuted because the previous DA agreed not to prosecute him since there wasn't clear forensic evidence. That means due process wasn't followed and prosecutors should not be allowed to play dirty like that.
Well it’s sad if he was innocent, one of our bishops just got released too, I spoke about this with an ex of mine and she was very angry when I expressed such sentiment, she said she takes the victims side. Anyway fuckit I liked the Cosby show, hope he is ok.
He played Dr. Huxtable... I don't he's he's actually a Dr. But anyway the rules of due process are important and should always be followed because if you don't a rapist goes free... the prosecutor owes those women an Apology
With respect, Dr. Cosby earned his PhD in 1976. He earned his Doctor of Education from the University of Massachusetts Amherst. His dissertation discussed the use of Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids as a teaching tool in elementary schools.
@dudeinohio no. His doctorate was not honorary. Dr. Cosby earned his PhD in 1976. He EARNED his Doctor of Education from the University of Massachusetts Amherst. His dissertation discussed the use of Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids as a teaching tool in elementary schools.
I think that the prosecutor is felt free to violate Crosby's constitutional rights and as a result of that they wound up having to let him go. Additionally, the original findings against him consisted mainly of women making accusations without any underlying proof whatsoever. I think it's a good thing that they let him go. Maybe this will teach women and people in general that mere accusations do not amount to proof
If he recognises himself as protestant and being rich he will be rubbing shoulders with Masons and exchanging cash with their funny handshakes... There's no doubt in my mind that man is an orange bastard and in the lodge hence his release
@MrShaun maybe you should try to read the news and not just the headlines. He was released on a technicality. If the original DA had charged him at the time he'd still be rioting in jail as all rapists deserve to. As it was the original DA did not, the second DA was stupid in using information at face value rather than reviewing it in the subsequent case. If the second DA had done their job properly instead of quickly he'd still be rioting in jail as all rapists deserve to be.
@CookiesAndCream2 Yep. I've read the news too. That wasn't much of a technicality. The prosecutor's office made an agreement that it went back on. He should have never been tried once, let alone a second time.
@MrShaun - acquitted doesn't mean innocent. It just means in the fluke of double jeopardy he got away with rape. Every other charge in the book is free game, including associated charges like endangerment if the DA wants to be a real nasty ass about getting him.
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