Have you changed your opinions about, or the side you support, regarding the Gaza conflict since it began?

[Siri137]

That's not worded very well, but you know what I mean. When it began my attitude was one of indifference, if only because I am neither an Arab nor a Jew, have no connections to the Near East (or Middle East) whatsoever, and thought, and still do think, that the whole conflict is just incredibly stupid and pointless.

Whereas before I could easily ignore what was going on over there, and didn't really care, now I'm not sure I can. To any impartial observer, one without any connections to those involved in the conflict, it's easy to see that one side is clearly intent on exterminating the other.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Originally, my opinion was that war is a terrible thing regardless of what side I preferred. But as I became more educated on the history of the war, the fact that Israel is an illegal occupation, and the fact that they’re bulldozing homes with no warnings aside from the roar of the equipment’s engine, that Israel has been slowly and systematically pushing out Palestinians — some of whom are older than the occupation itself — changed a lot of my opinion about what was happening.

[blueonblack22]

@cupcakethedestroyeroc Jews occupied Israel a millennia before Islam even existed. It’s their ancestral homeland. Saying that Israel “stole” that land is like saying Native Americans “stole” a large section of land in the USA.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

You can disagree as much as you want, but it was only Palestine before 1950. By right, any action Israel takes in this war is offensive because, as the United Nations ruled, Israel is an illegal apartheid occupation in Palestine and has been for decades. I’m not going to say anything more on this and you can have the last word about it.

[Veles]

I don't support either side since the beginning, but what really bothers me is how can Israel be so sadistic towards non-Jewish people, or as they call them "goyim". All these non jewish pro-israeli fools don’t even realize that they are also just goyim for Israel, just like the Palestinians are.

[Hoe_Hero_Vulture]

Good. More food for me to pick up.

[KostasKouvalis]

At least Israelis aren't bombing them or chopping their heads off. They're basically picking the lesser of two evils. Like, "my enemy's enemy is my friend"

[Veles]

@KostasKouvalis And who say that Israel is less evil than Palestine? Israel has become what they claim to fight against with their non stop disproportionate force.

[KostasKouvalis]

At least Israelis aren't committing terror attacks around the world though

[Cheapskate]

@KostasKouvalis The Israelis "aren't bombing them"? Are you high?

[blueonblack22]

Here are the FACTS of the situation:

• Hamas executed a full on terrorist attack on innocent unarmed civilians and raped and murdered over 1200 people including children. They BRAGGED about it.
• They took over 250 people hostage (including Americans)
• They expected an Israeli retaliation and intentionally used innocent civilians as human shields.
• The media is reporting casualty numbers from the Hamas health ministry as face value truth
• Hamas reports teenagers who are active military as “child” fatalities.
• They are in a very population dense section of the world making it extremely difficult to minimize collateral damage. And collateral damage happens in every military conflict.
• Hamas refuses to surrender or give up hostages despite generous offers for peace deals (because they know the western media is on their side)
• Israel and the western countries are trying their hardest to deliver food and aide supplies to civilians in Gaza (which Hamas is stealing)
• Isolated but tragic incidents i. e. have happened. The IDF mistaken a food truck envoy as Hamas military envoy. They immediately owned up to it, apologized and fired the military officers in charge.
• Hamas doesn’t need to “win” the war militarily. They just need to survive. Like a cancerous tumor they will regroup, grow and attack again.

The problem is westerners short attention span. Israel moved too slowly in this conflict (because they were trying to reduce civilian casualties) and Americans are constantly seeing buildings being blown up, innocent civilians dying from collateral damage and suffering.

But if the IDF doesn’t exterminate Hamas fully (or worse a “two state solution” happens) then Hamas WINS. They will reorganize and attack again.

The irony of all this is even the Old Testament shows a history of israelíes taking “half measures” against their enemies only to regret it later.

[Lynx122]

Israel is not letting any independent journalists in to verify what's going on. And the health ministry is under a lot of scrutiny from international organizations and they provide a lot of evidence for each person who died. That's a fact that you forgot to mention.

[blueonblack22]

@Lynx122 “ the health ministry is under a lot of scrutiny from international organizations” and they are run by HAMAS.

I am not dismissive of the death tolls numbers nor arguing a lot of civilians have died in this conflict (which is 100% the fault of Hamas). But still I don’t trust the numbers especially the child fatality numbers. A 16 year old boy carrying a AK-47 is not an “innocent child”.

All this could have ended a long time ago and thousands maybe tens do thousands of innocent lives could have been spared. But Hamas refuses to surrender nor release the remaining hostages. They are more than happy to get innocent people killed for their cause.

It looks like Biden has caved to his radical base and is caving to his radical base so he can win Hamas supporters in Deerborn Michigan. He should went all in or not in at all. Most Americans still side with Israel.

[Cheapskate]

Israel has committed an October 7th EVERY WEEK since October 7th.

I AM FUCKING FED UP with Israel supporters telling me about how "HAMAS m-m-m-MURDERED. . . 1,200 people!!! 😱"

Yeah, fuck you, dude. Israel has been doing that every week since, and you didn't give a shit.

You always had an explanation. Like "oh, they were human shields". Obvious bullshit. And even if they were, YOU DON'T FUCKING GO AHEAD AND KILL THEM ANYWAY. That is so fucking telling about your so-called superior morality that you think a terrorist hiding behind a kid makes it okay for you to murder the kid. Fucking asshole.

I could go on about the endless lies of the IDF, of every Israeli spokesman and prominent politician.

The fact of the matter is they have murdered at least 33,000 people, and the health ministry has been bang on in past flare-ups about casualty numbers. 33,000 is probably a massive undercount, because Israel leveled Gaza, and tons of bodies are likely trapped under the rubble.

Then there is the - in your sociopathic words - "tragedy", when Israel targeted a clearly marked aid convoy THREE times, despite the aid convoy having coordinated its movements in advance with the Israeli military. First car is hit, survivors picked up by second car, that is hit, survivors picked up by third car, that is hit. "Tragedy" my ass. That is cold-blooded mass murder. And you're (ridiculously) like "Ooh, Israel are so good! They went above and beyond! They had the perps FIRED (!)" Holy shit, dude, I must say, getting fired, that is quite the punishment for murdering seven people. Israel is so humane and committed to justice, clearly.

It just goes on and on and on and on with the bullshit gaslighting, year after year after year of disproportionate murder by Israel.

[Cheapskate]

Go ahead and call me a Hamas supporter, bro. I was fucking horrified by what those monsters did on October 7th. Nightmare stuff. Some of the worst fucking deeds I have ever heard of.

SO WHY THE FUCK HAS ISRAEL BEEN DOING THE SAME THING EVERY WEEK FOR THE LAST 27 FUCKING WEEKS?

I would like to thank the fucking bungling incompetent psychopaths in the Israeli, American, British, German, etc. governments for not only failing to protect the hostages by carpet-bombing the place they are held. But for ensuring this conflict will drag on for years to come. For recruiting the next generation of Hamas. And for raising the terror threat in Europe and America to a maximum once again.

Really, bravo. I hope murdering those thousands of kids was worth it. I hope you had fun.

[Daniela1982]

@blueonblack22 I couldn't have said it better myself. Hamas slapped first, and Israel is just slapping their face back. I think there is just a lot of false information out there. I'm just wondering when the other countries who hate Israel are going to get their jabs in too, seeing as how sneaky they are at attacking Israel, like waiting for their Holy Holiday (Yom Kippur) to commence when they would not expect an attack.

[Lynx122]

@Daniela1982 Israel has been killing 8 people per hour for 7 months now that's how many people they kill when you average it out.

[blueonblack22]

@Lynx122 “Israel is doing what Hamas did every week”. Do you really believe this is a moral equivalence? And this would all have ended if Hamas surrendered and released the hostages. Instead they have refused EVERY peace negotiation that has been proposed. Because they don’t care about human life. And don’t tell me “oh Israel doesn’t care either”. That’s 110% bullshit.

All this blood shed began and continued because of Hamas.

[blueonblack22]

Sorry @Lynx122 I meant @cheapskate

[Siri137]

Why don't you want a two-state solution? What's the alternative? Extermination of the Palestinians? Is that what you want?
You clearly don't want "half-measures", because in the Old Testament that didn't work, and the Jews "regretted it later". Are you genocidal? Are you an unhinged, blood-thirsty psychopath?

[blueonblack22]

@siri137 all of this would end if Hamas would surrender and release the hostages (the ones that are still alive that is). Yet they have REJECTED EVERY PEACE OFFER. Now why is that? The answer is people like you.

Also I did NOT say “exterminate” all Palestinians. F*ck no. I said exterminate HAMAS. They are among worst people on earth and yet you people keep making excuses for them.

And this comes as no surprise. Hamas planned this all out in advance. They knew the leftist western media would take their side. They people like you and other terrorist sympathizers commenting on this thread would give into all this crap.

But then again I shouldn’t be surprised. When got people holding up signs saying “Queers for Palestine” then you know we really have lost all hope. Those same people would get free bungee jumping lessons off tall buildings without a bungee cord if they found themselves in a country that practices sharia law.

[blueonblack22]

@siri137 speaking of “genocide”. Do you the slogan “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free” actually means killing every Jew in Israel?

[Siri137]

No, it does not mean that. "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" just means that the Palestinians will finally be able to live in peace on THEIR land without having to worry about Israeli bulldozers coming over to demolish their house, or worry about being shot for no reason at all.

[Siri137]

"All of this would end if Hamas would surrender..." - Oh, so the Palestinians would no longer be persecuted, arrested, made homeless in their own land, no longer have to worry about settlers (invaders) killing them, and they'd have their own nation again? Really?

[blueonblack22]

@siri137 so in other words you are claiming that Hamas is justified for their heinous terrorism?

The Israeli population is 20% Arabic by the way. But there were no Jews living in Gaza and for obvious reason. Hamas also took all the financial aide they received from Iran and other nations to build f*ckiing tunnels, buy weapons and to build rockets. They literally took pipe supplies that was meant for water transfers and instead made rockets out of them.

They have brainwashed their entire population to hate Jews. And it’s just not about territory. It’s about hate. If Hamas had it their way a REAL genocide would happen in Israel. From the river to the sea….

Also maybe you should read up the history of how other Arabic nations have treated palestinas. 400,000 palestinas were expelled from Kuwait after the gulf war. Egypt built the rafah gate to keep them out and Jordan murdered tens of thousands on Black September.

I swear all you people just inhale what you see the radical left western media vomits out. And what this is REALLY about is that Israel is hated because they are a western outpost in the Middle East. They are also hated because they are financially successful.

[Siri137]

"... so in other words you are claiming that Hamas is justified for their heinous terrorism?"

Did I actually SAY that? No. Why are people like you so bloody dishonest?

[Daniela1982]

@Lynx122 There are more than that killed each hour in the US. If we were at war there would be a lot more. So what's your point? If they didn't want a war they shouldn't have attacked Israel.

[Cheapskate]

No, I don't believe it's a moral equivalence.

Murdering 33,000 people is not EQUIVALENT to murdering 1,200 people.

It is 27 times as bad.

The problem with your stimulus-response argumentation is that Hamas could use that to justify its monstrous attack. Israel murdered 1,000 Palestinians in 2009, 3,000 in 2014, just to name two examples. Combined with the ongoing occupation, harassment, expulsion, murder (e. g. murdering Palestinian kids protesting, murdering Palestinian journalists) in "peacetime", Hamas could argue that they are absolutely justified in attacking the occupier.

So you have no argument. We can agree that Hamas is the devil incarnate, your problem is you support Israel, and Israel is even worse.

[Cheapskate]

@Daniela1982 Hamas did not "slap first". The only way that works is if your clock starts on 7th October. Israel murdered twice as many people in 2014, and none of you gave a fuck. You would never use that to justify the Hamas attack. You are left desperately defending an occupier that refuses to respond proportionally to aggression, thus ensuring the conflict drags on and innocent people on both sides are murdered, maimed, and traumatized for life.

[Flatmanlewis]

No. I have not changed my opinions one bit. I fully believe that the IDF is a morally superior military and acting both necessarily and as HamAss knew they would.


Are there tragedies? Yes. That is the undeniable and unavoidable nature of warfare. Been that way since the beginning of time. There is - almost without exception - no Army which has conducted military operations in any urban environment that has not had a significant amount of civilian casualties. The IDF has taken tremendous steps to evacuate non-combatants and allow aid inside Gaza. Far more than most armies have (and oddly, I’ve never seen this college-student spittle-mouth screaming over those other military actions, but I digress.). This is not even close to a genocide and, in fact, this was the absolute outcome HamAss wanted to manipulate the propaganda machine into stoking the fires of sympathy from the “useful idiots” (their term, not mine…look it up.)

[DextroShade]

No, the barbaric terrorists in Gaza have always been the bad guys; they have refused every peace deal and broken every cease-fire agreement for decades. These people elected Hamas terrorists to be their leadership by over 70%. I can't fault the Jews for getting tired of their bullshit and trying to put them down once and for all. If anything I would hit them harder if I were in charge of Israel, with napalm, white phosphorus, cluster bombs, and VX gas being deployed at their utmost efficiency.

[Lynx122]

No my opinion from the start was that it's a proxy war between Iran and the U. S. and that there's way too many people in power who benefit from the continuation of the conflict on both sides and that it's a huge clusterfuck. I personally hold Israel to a higher standard because they're the occupying force they're the more developed nation they have more money and more arms they're supported by the U. S.

It's like a police officer has more power than a civilian so they should have strict rules on what they can and can't do. So I think people should put Israel under more scrutiny. Which is kind of happening now but a lot of people had to die to get to that point.

I don't expect much good to come from that region. Since I was born I don't think there's ever been good news. So I'm just used to it I wasn't really shocked or surprised or anything I didn't change my opinion at all. Nothing that happened was that unexpected.

[bolverk]

No I have not - and I have to admire the restraint that Israel has shown when they could have totally levelled the Gaza strip with little more effort. and the current level of privations that the people of Gaza are suffering can but firmly set at he doors of Hamas as it is they are the ones seizing the relief supplies entering Gaza, and it is also them who have been cutting off the water supplies to Gaza by digging up the water lines installed by the Israelis and using those pipes as the bodies for the rockets they fire at Israel.

[Cheapskate]

Utter fucking horseshit. Let's never hold Israel to account for its actions. It had no choice. It has to murder those 33,000 people in six months. I mean, obviously.

[Anonymous]

Nope I haven’t changed my mind. I’ve said from day 1 they Israel is not the victims they made themselves to be. I truly don’t understand how the leader hasn’t been arrested and charged for deliberately murdering innocent people. He deliberately blew up a vehicle that was clearly marked to let people know they were aid workers killing everyone in the vehicle and than he lied and claimed they thought hamas was in the car

[Siri137]

Netanyahu should hang for his crimes.

[Jersey2]

I didn’t care in October and I don’t care now. Hamas was elected by the people of Palestine and Hamas launched a vicious terrorist attack against Israel which their people cheered.

Now it turns out that was an incredibly stupid idea to attack and the Israelis are looking to wipe out Hamas. Now Hamas is hiding among the populations and using children's suffering to gain sympathy.

I only feel bad for the children but their parents put them in this situation. The Israelis are only trying to protect their children from these horrible terrorists. Let the chips fall where they may.

[Anonymous]

I know first hand the kind of animals the IDF are so my opinion will never change.

This stuff you're seeing didn't start in October last year it's been happening since 1948. The zionist pigs have gotten very good at justifying terror, senseless violence, and genocide, with bullshit rhetoric. And if anyone comes at them they play the victim card immediately pointing out the holocaust that also happened 80 years ago and was not done by middle eastern people.

And things won't change so long as the illegal invasion of Palestine is maintained, well funded, and well backed.

[Berethor]

No, the arab-muslims had attacked the jews, and the jews are fighting back, that's all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/in-the-name-of-allah.aspx

[WintersDaughter]

No, Israel needs to do what it needs to do. They've tried peace, they've accepted ceasefires and it never works.

They were under a ceasefire on Oct 7th, it didn't stop Hamas from launching a major terrorist attack and raping, murdering, and kidnapping innocent people.

I don't care what the world says, Israel has a right to defend itself and their citizens.

[Cheapskate]

Israel murdered 3,000 Palestinians in 2014 and none of you gave a shit. You probably didn't even know.

[RetroReviews]

No I stand with Israel always. For God himself said concerning Israel " I will bless those who bless you and I will curse him who curses you. And in you all the families of the Earth shall be blessed" - Genesis 12:3

[Siri137]

No, "God" didn't say that, and neither did the Tooth Fairy. This lie is used as a justification for the occupation of land by people to whom it does not belong.

[RetroReviews]

I put the Bible reference there that way you didn't have to take my word for it.

[Siri137]

Yes, I know it's in the Bible. So what?

[RetroReviews]

The Bible is the living word of God whether you believe it or not. And the truth is one day everyone will believe it. Only question is will you believe it before or after you die.

[Siri137]

How do you know this? The "living word of God"? According to whom? Where's the objective evidence for that? Why should I believe it?

[RetroReviews]

Why should you believe it? Well unless you want to suffer in the fires of hell for all eternity I would suggest you take a look into it it's in your best interest. I have nothing to gain by you believing or not believing other than I care about you as a person and don't want you to go to hell. But it is impossible to please God without faith Jesus said it is a wicked generation that asks for a sign. But the things are going on in the world right now are lining up just like the Bible said it would not a coincidence. Like one major sign was Israel becoming a nation again that happened in 1948 after they had been scattered all over the world for thousands of years. It also says Israel will be surrounded by enemies and basically the world will turn its back on them that is happening. It's been almost 2,000 years since Jesus resurrected from the dead he is coming back soon for all that believe in him. Check out the Left behind movies with Kirk Cameron. Also there's one on YouTube called The Gathering 1998 it's about an atheist who became a believer

[Siri137]

"Well unless you want to suffer in the fires of hell for all eternity I would suggest you take a look into it it's in your best interest."
Why would anyone go to hell for simply not believing something? How is that at all convincing? I can't force myself to believe something, especially if I know it's not true, no matter what threats are sent my way. That's just not the way most people's minds work.

[Siri137]

"He's coming back soon" - No, he isn't. He's been dead for 2,000 years, and people don't return from the dead. It's final.

[RetroReviews]

Normal people don't return from the dead but Jesus was not just an ordinary man he was the son of God and God raised him from the dead on the third day the angel rolled away the stone. Everything I'm telling you is not a threat it's just going to simply happen we are all sinners ok. And we need our sins paid for forgiven. That's why Jesus came to Earth to take the punishment we deserve so we could still be with him for eternity if we would put our faith in him. So the gist of the Christian faith is that God so loved the world that he gave his only son and whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. So it's simple as that once you believe that Jesus died for you and rose again from the dead your name is written in the book of Life that is your golden ticket. This life is temporary and you don't know when it's going to end I implore you to please consider what I'm telling you because I care about you and I don't want you to go to hell. Romans 10:9 is my favorite verse it says if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved.

[Lionman95]

I´m not not engaged in the situation because to me it rather seems like there can´t be peace because both sides have contradicting goals. Israel´s interest is to rescue the refugees something they can´t peacefully since the Hamas doesn´t want that. The Palestines on the other hand won´t recognise the state of Israel something that´s a condition for peace negotiations though. I gave up bothering about the situation because it´s a problem I can´t solve.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

I dont side with any of those losers. however unlike leftists and democrats I do not feel any sympathy for the Palestinians. not only are they causing chaos here in our land now but if you look back in 2001 when the 9/11 terrorist attack happen I remember that these people were cheering and celebrating our losses

https://x.com/leslibless/status/1766571786622083496

[sawno]

I haven't no, my opinion was that it was a complicated conflict that I have no impact on anyway so I didn't want to spend weeks of researching who I should support when it seems both are in the wrong. As a result I blocked it all out and have the same opinion.

[purplepoppy]

The middle east is a classic case of two wrongs don't make a right so lets keep making wrongs and hope it does.

[bobby_bush_eater]

I would say I more dislike Israel and Zionism more than ever. Honestly it has little to do with this conflict but more it encouraged me to read more about the Jewish influences and why they're so persecuted. They are the bad guys, Hamas are bad too but it's not about that. The goal is to entice Iran into an act of war knowing the USA will get involved then naturally NATO will too

[DrPepper12]

Israel is led by a corrupt war criminal and has become a theocratic dictatorial apartheid state that has the best fed, best trained, best supplied terrorist organization in the world - the IDF.

[itsclearlynicholas]

Now Dr Pepper, mmm delicious, world peace is what we should all ask for and seek worldwide, is world peace. Kindly and humbly ☮️✌🏻👀☮️

[BCA6010]

No, my opinion and stance on the subject hasn't changed at all since I personally left the region for good in 2018, and it's extremely unlikely anything will change it much because the people involved stay the same.

[JacobJordan]

One side (arab) is trying to commit genocide vs the other side (Jew) so no my stance hasn't changed. Genocide should be met with equal and sadistic force.

[WhitneySnow]

I support the Palestinians, but I’m still troubled by Hamas’s brutal invasion of Israel