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I know what question you are talking about, I've read it and it got a lot of comments on it just like 1 of my questions. It seems that when we ask questions like "Am I too nice?" "I treat her like a Queen but she hates me" it only get 2 comments, but GIRLS ARE QUICK to defend themselves on questions like the one you mention. I wonder why? Is it because there is maybe...an ounce of truth to it? I don't know let's look at the facts. By the way, I digress to mention good job saying to @taster "I didn't say that all the guys said that" because people just automatically assume you are "stereotyping" so clearly not all guys say this and ALSO there ARE women who DO bring things to the relationship. I think I take that as a given. Just like how you are right, NOT all guys say this, there ARE girls out there (some not all) who DON'T BRING ANYTHING to the relationship, and its MORE common to see that than to see the guy who lives off his girl friend. Again, not being bias, but I am saying that YES it is much EASIER for women to get AWAY with not bringing anything to the relationship than the reverse. (How many girls would actually allow an unemployed guy to live off THEIR DIME? not too many...) I think its all in how society shapes us. In the old times, it was the guy that was the breadwinner while the girl was stay at home. But women weren't satisfied with that at all. They wanted their EQUAL RIGHTS, they wanted THEIR EQUAL PAY, and now, the pendulum swings in the girls favor. Let me explain
--Men are still expected to EARN more than women: yet women want to be paid just as much as men. If the guy earns more, its not good because he "works too much." If he earns less, "he doesn't work enough." In addition, women want to get paid more, but still want the guy to wine and dine them during courtship. However, the truth is, some jobs are "risky" and women wouldn't do it, so therefore, the higher wage. Also, firms incur LOSS hiring women due to the things like MATERNAL LEAVE, so women get paid less. However, regardless women are catching up, more women go to college than men in the aggregate. And some jobs that aren't "risky" but were male dominated, are opening up to women.
--Women have more suitors: There is more competition between men for the same girl. Therefore, women are pickier with who they choose. They even take advantage of that in the dating realm, using guys for free meals, gifts, etc. They use pregnancy/child rearing as an excuse and will let each guy chase them until they find THE ONE. Guys lose out because they might spend a lot of money on a girl only to realize she chose someone else for marriage.
--In the relationship the guy has to consistently provide: A guy has to not only say and do the right things all the time, he has to always be kept on his toes and be attentive and if not girls can emotionally blackmail him.
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS EQUALITY, but it won't. If I ask a girl out, I pay.
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men don't appreciate the things women do because we often sometimes forget that we take things for granted...so maybe you do make the sandwiches or give him the bj every so often...the problem is that we come to expect it to happen...we know that it won't happen all the time...and when it does we just sort of forget that you did it because you wanted to not because you were expected to..and we just forget to say "thanks, I really appreciate it"...its more of a social behavior that needs to be practiced more often...even I have a hard time remembering to do this..and I'm pretty good about it...
Maybe those guys have experienced girls who don't bring anything to relationship ( bad girlfriends, selfish, users, etc)? This is my first time hearing anything about men complaining about women not contributing as far as a relationship.
And I think women are better than sandwiches, playing the shiny role, and getting naked, don't you think?
Women bring men companionship; we accept men for all they are, flaws and everything, we support and uphold our men and make sure he always feels like the king we know he is, we are what men rest on when life takes it toll, we provide the ultimate for him (children,) a chance for him and all his likeness to be carried through the generations, we are the force that can make or break any man - we are the words when he struggles to speak, the comfort when life gets harsh, that crazy bitch that will whip anyone's ass who dares degrade our man lol; behind every great man, is a great woman because we ultimately complete them, as they to us.
So women ( the good sensible ones,) usually bring some pretty decent stuff to the relationship lol women who just use men for money, or take advantage, don't deserve any kind of man, and really disgraces the image of all women.
And nowadays, women work just as much as men do, so the whole claim that men bring in money and the house and takes care of everything - eh, the playing field is pretty equal on that one.
So then, why do men and women get together still? Because there's more to a relationship than just money and fancy things...
The real underpinning reason why men think that women do nothing is completely the idea that you gave. Men should live alone and have no female companionship. The Bachelor life is really simple and problem free. I had no problems in my life until I started dating.
Some of the stuff that you list as "things you do"
- guys don't care as much about communication as you do
- when he is with his friends he probably just thinks about you not being there then he could say whatever he wants
One problem exists that people tend to treat partners with the things that they themselves care about. But guys don't care about the same things that women care about. Same rule applies to guys. They think about what they themselves would want and then give it to the other partner. But its hard to adjust to someone who wants something completely different than you. And most guys and women want different things.
Those who say that are sexist pigs. You're perfectly right.
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U did not hear ME say that! And I could get along just fine without a female...I do most of the cooking..and, materially I brought a lot more into our marriage, but I was aware of that when I said "I Do"...but I never remind her of that...marriage is share n' share alike...altho it seems that some people forget that...What does matter to me is that, tho she is an under achiever, she is not a cold, selfish, naggy b*tch...is not high-strung & stubborn...and that, my friends, is Big Time Important...
Yes, they can provide it for themselves. That's the whole point. If your idea of bringing something to the relationship is sandwiches, massages, and being naked, then any guy could just as easily get that for less than the cost of taking you out on a single date. We're spending money on you, making efforts to court you, and according to your mentions, housing you and providing most (if not all) of the income. If you're not either raising children, working, or both, then you're just a trophy wife, period. Get a job, and the problem solves itself.
well its not like if all the women disappeared all the p*rn would leave too...sh*t stays on the internet for quite a while. but to answer the question I think its that even though we provide the vast majority of the material things in a relationship, we are still expected to make all the moves, initiate everything, and in general be more in control of the situation. that just doesn't seem all that even to me. I can really appreciate a good sandwich though haha
i can make my own sandwhiches I can pay a masseuse to massage me. Can you get a job and pay your own bills and not be a mooch? Sorry sitting down like a sensless fool trying to look pretty is a tough job for you. Why not get a job and become celibate so you do not have to feel so degraded?
WOMEN DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, It's the man who always have to initiate and maintain the conversations, it's the man who has to tell interesting stories, it's the man who has to make all the jokes, it's is the man who has to take her out on a and pay for it, it is man who always has to call her and text her, it's the man who has to maintain the attraction and entertain her, and eventually it is the man who has to do 100% in the relationship. Women are nothing but a bump on a log, Women do nothing, NOT A THING!!!
Well recently coming out of a long-term relationship, I felt like I made every sacrifice just to keep her happy. I mean sure there was sex but we rarely did it. I think the best thing I ever got was the ego boost & emotional attachment.
frustrated guys say this, they never appreciate a woman, so they're not going to bring much. sometimes in a relationship girls give more than the guy.
Because the women they mainly focus on are women
who have nothing to offer but looks, sex, and drama.you sound like you'd make a great GF... too bad you're under 18! LOL
We could get p*rn through anime couldn't we ;_)
are you like from the 30's
LMAO
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