Is "creep shaming" a thing?

[Fugue]

I was reading some blog about how unattractive men generally get "shamed" for talking to women, and making them uncomfortable. One side says that it's no coincidence that all the guys that are called "creepy" are unattractive. The other side says that it's just the way they act that makes them creepy. Is everything "shaming" these days?

"Creepy" is a synonym for unattractive male stranger whom looks/talks to a woman

Creeps act creepy

[Darkfairie17]

So the reason this whole "creepy" thing started is because women do face really crazy and scary behaviour from guys sometimes. It might be hard for guys to understand, because they don't typically have this same type of problem.

Basically, women have to be incredibly careful when they are interacting with people. Some guys you talk to may seem nice at first, but if you don't give them what they want then they become really scary real quick.

I'm a very friendly person. But when I am online dating or even just talking to guys in general, I have to be scared that they could take my friendliness in the wrong way. Then when I tell them I have a boyfriend, they might get upset or angry about that or not believe me and keep bugging me.

Women have to worry about being stalked, or getting attacked simply for saying no to a guy. This is where I believe the creep shaming you talk about is coming from.

If a situation doesn't feel right, women may use the word creepy to describe it. Perhaps the guy had no intentions on going stalker mode on her, but she doesn't know that.

Unfortunately women have to worry a lot about these types of things in society.

[Jimrat86]

And men have to worry about being falsely accused of something they are not.

[Darkfairie17]

@Jimrat86 If someone is going to place you into the creep category when you have done nothing to deserve it, then you are probably better off not pursuing that person anyway. Yes it sucks. But stalking and guys getting scarily angry after a girl has politely rejected them is a whole different thing. I can understand that guys may not necessarily think it's even a thing or understand it but it DOES happen. It actually happens a lot and it's super scary for women. So unfortunately, women tend to be on high alert whenever they feel they are in an uncomfortable situation. Yes, that does mean sometimes a guy may get put into the creepy category when he has no intentions. But for most women, it's a matter of safety rather than trying to just put as many guys in that category as possible. For most women, it comes from men pursuing them after the woman has expressed she is not interested.

[schnipdip]

Wait... Isn't that the point to online dating? To go on dates?

[Darkfairie17]

@schnipdip Yes, but if I am talking to a guy and he is clearly saying things that are red flags to me, I have a right as a human to not want to date him or even meet up with him. I found I had this happen to me a lot when I was online. I would start talking to a guy, and he would start saying things that made me feel uncomfortable. And basically when I would try to politely decline a date, he would explode in a big anger fit over the fact that I said no and demand I go out with him. THAT behaviour is creepy.

[schnipdip]

No no no. Not my point. You have a boyfriend... Why are you on an online dating site? False advertising

[Darkfairie17]

@schnipdip I'm not online dating now, that was BEFORE I met my boyfriend.

[Fugue]

So you are saying that dealing with the scary world is exclusive to women?

[Jimrat86]

Amen Brother.

[Darkfairie17]

No not at all. However I'm trying to explain this creep shaming phenomenon. in my opinion that is where it comes from, it's not just about labelling all guys creeps. It has to do with a woman feeling unsafe in a situation.

[Fugue]

I would agree that there is some truth to that being the reason, but then it just goes to show that it's a "threat narrative" driving it, not factual reasons.

[pr3ttybr0wn]

There are lots of ugly guys who aren't creepy. And there are creepy guys who aren't ugly.

Creeps ignore women's feelings and wants and just go for what they want

That's like saying only rapists are ugly and all ugly guys are rapists. Creeps are pretty much guys who give you rapist/serial killer "it rubs the lotion on its skin" vibes. The type of guy you're uncomfortable around would never want to be alone with.

Creeps tend to be imposing. Like if I have no romantic/sexual interest in you but you're always making suggestive comments to me and coming near me even though I clearly want nothing to do with you, that is a creep. It isn't something creeps can use as an excuse to say "oh I'm not really a creep, women are just shallow because my unwanted behavior would be ok if I were good looking"

[EnglishArtsteacher]

Girls use the word "Creep" out of context, especially in our generation.

[BushBabyBoo]

I agree that creeps usually aren't good looking (not always the case) but with unattractiveness often comes low self esteem, which can make the way a guy interacts be quite creepy. I'm not saying low self esteem makes you a creep. I'm just saying they may have a higher likelihood of having distorted expectations and be a big clingier.

[BushBabyBoo]

A *bit clingier

[Fugue]

But this is about odds. One attractive "creep" in 100 does not say much. Are there statistics on the matter? I have seen tinder experiments with pretty conclusive results.

[BushBabyBoo]

On tinder you are choosing someone based on looks, its quite different. And I have no stats, just personal experience, the experience of my friends and experiences I have read online. Experience that no straight guy can have :/ im not saying im right, it's just my take on things.

[Fugue]

I think straight guys have much more experience than you in approaching women as men.

[Bandit74]

I think its a combination of both.

1. The appearance of things change your perception. For example, there was an experiment with labels on wine, and people reported the wine from the expensive bottle tasted better when in reality both of the bottles were filled from the same source.

I think its the same with appearance, you could have 2 guys doing the exact same thing but the ugly guy is more likely to be labeled creepy. Like if an attractive guy is sitting by himself, girls might describe him as mysterious, while an ugly guy is more likely to be labeled creepy, weird, or a loser.

2. Some ugly guys are genuinely creepy and it could be arged that ugly guys are more likely to be genuinely creepy. I think its because of the fact they are ugly. Ugly guy= lower confidence /worse social skills/ less interactions with women = more awkward approaches = creepy

[Fugue]

That's really just a roundabout way of saying ugly guys are (more often) seen as creepy. Of course it's driven by perception. No argument there.

[Bluemax]

Wow. Polarized results.

Are unattractive men more likely to be labeled creeps? I believe so. However this doesn't mean all women or even most women go around labeling unattractive men creeps. As of the time I'm writing this, the percentage of women who voted A is somewhere around 8%. So for every one girl that labels a man a creep by virtue of his unattractiveness,12.5 girls don't.

There was another poll done on GAG where the percentage of women labeling unattractive men as creeps was much higher, but there were far fewer people voting, so I believe this poll is more accurate.

By the way guys, isn't this actually GOOD news (assuming the women answered the poll honestly, and the poll is anonymous)?

As for those women who you feel unjustly labeled you a creep, my suggestion is to not give a shit.

[Fugue]

That's only if you believe poll results mirror the reality of their actions. Also, I do believe that most women do "label" them creepy in their emotional mind, but they don't necessarily articulate it. Even then, it's telling how women throwing around the "creep" word never get questioned by other women.

[Bluemax]

I am not nearly as concerned about what is going on in a person's mind as I am with how they behave. A person can think about me or anyone else however they will, as long as they treat me politely and maintain a civil tongue.

[Fugue]

That's the point. They behave in a way that displays their feelings.

[Bluemax]

Could you give examples of how their behavior is affected by their feelings towards a man that they perceive as creepy?

[Fugue]

Yes. The vast majority of the narrative from the female responses on this question.

[TheDevilInside]

I usually call a guy a creep of he shows interest in me and he's:
- old. Why not hunt someone , our own age, DAD?
- had this older guy stare at my legs in the potatoes section. Moved to the dairy. He was suddenly behind there too. Moved to fish. He was there again. I moved, he moved. Fuck! And guess what? He was south Asian
- guess what? Another south Asian. Sat next to me in the train, slowly pressed his thigh against mine. Kept making myself small and stick to the window, he kept pushing. Until I felt claustrophobic and threw him a nasty look. He instead of backing off, asked me where I'm from. No response but me turning my head away, he asked if i'm from thailand. Yeah. Creeping on a younger girl by pressing your thigh against hers. I should have slapped his thigh and fucking yelled at him. It was so like an intro to rape. Wtf south Asian guys?

[RPGamr]

*slow claps*
Way to generalise all south Asian men based on isolated incidents.

[TheDevilInside]

@RPGamr: of course, i haven't forgotten all the Internet creeps... An Indian hager kept on wanting to hear my voice on whatsapp and told me he used oranges to masturbate.

Because of the high amount of south Asian creeps, i now need proof that a particular SA guy is not a creep to take him out of the "potential creep" list

[RPGamr]

I now know I don't need any more proof to show you're being racist.

[TheDevilInside]

@RPGamr can you blame me? After all the unpleasant experience i've had from a certain group of people? Not just me, by the way. Many Internet girls feel this way too about south Asian men. Go ahead and ask a question if you like. It's not being racist, i'm Asian myself lol it's just called "getting so mich shit from many members of a certain group of people that i have less interest in engaging them because they have brought me more grief than good things". It's called human logic. Adaptation.

[RPGamr]

Don't try to justify your reasoning, it is still racism. I will be offended if you just blatantly paint every south Asian man as a creep. You are indirectly telling me the majority of the people I've met in my life (including my family) who are well mannered are just perverts.
It's the same as saying that all black men are potential criminals in the USA because of statistics.
It is the same as saying all Muslims are terrorists.
I hope you get my point and mend your thinking, it is very sad to see such type of racism existing.

[TheDevilInside]

@RPGamr blame all the creeps from your country. Tell them to stop being fucking creeps. Then i will stop avoiding and having prejudices against you people.

If 8/10 Muslims i've met were bomb builers, then i would be 'racist" too towards them. But they're not. In comparison to my interactions with south Asian men. 8/10 of online or real life interactions are of them being creeps. So no, i don't feel guilty to think of you as guilty until proven otherwise. It's not like i avoid south indians at all costs... I just want to be extra cautious and take some space first. Until they're proven to not be a creep

[RPGamr]

I've been to Thailand before and I'm glad I didn't meet people with such a mindset like you.
Yours is the classic example of confirmation bias.

[TheDevilInside]

@RPGqmr Lol dude... Asians are racists. They just aren't direct about it. I am.

[MyUsernameRules]

@RPGamr Forget her. A lot of Asian girls are like that. I've lived in East Asia for few years and living there, I've noticed how much a lot of Asian girls generalize non white guys and at the same time how much a lot of them praise white guys. In her case, she is generalizing Indian guys. She's using isolated incidents in her life as an example to justify her racism. And speaking of online experiences, I guess she's too dumb to realize India has 1.1 billion people living there so obviously the number of creeps from there will be much higher than anywhere else. Since India is the most populated democracy with 3 to 4 times more population than US (3rd most populated country). There's one girl on GAG who said there are just as many creepy Western guys, if not more on here but they are way too subtle with their creepiness and take time to reveal their true colors while a lot of Indian guys, who are usually very weak in English to hold a decent conversation, go straight to the point.

[RPGamr]

@MyUsernameRules Yeah, already had ignored her. It's best not to give racist people any attention. Thanks for taking the time to write down the reason behind the "statistics". :)

[TheDevilInside]

@myusernamerules @RPGamr
I'm sorry but I am anything but the typical Asian girl. I admit that Asians are indeed racists. (Does this exclude Indian?) but my experience happened mostly when i was in Germany. I swear to god, I tried so much to not think about stereotypen and be biased, but after many years of seeing patterns of behavior both from strangers who hit on me creepily, from dorm mates (I had many south Asian Form mates, mostly men) or from my customers who were tourists from when i worked at a bakery/Café. Most of them fit the pattern of behavior, or even did more outrageous things. Sure there are good ones. You two might be them but I need to See that first.

[TheDevilInside]

I admit I used to be racist too like the stereotypical Asian. I used to have negative stereotypes associated to blacks. But my numerous encounters with black people my whole life had changed that. They were all mostly either pleasant, or okay. Very few unpleasant ones.

With south Asian guys though... I'm sorry but I have to say mostly unpleasant. Even if they were nice, many of my dorm mates had such disgusting and annoying habits that makes me hate them. I can give you detailed examples if you like, and I won't lie. South Asian girls I only have little interaction with, and they were all fine people. No bad experiences I can remember.

[Keyspirits]

BAHAHAHAH 😂😂😂

[JustinX9]

Sad, racist = small brain, what if I say all girls love to hurt and break guys hearts are you okay with that?

[TheDevilInside]

@JustinX9 who the hell mentioned ALL guys? Or ALL south Asian men? No one. I never said ALL. I only said there's a pattern of behavior. Learn to read.

[JustinX9]

Even if you are not using "all" you are referring to all south east Asian guys since you are good at generalizing people better for me to use "all" for the girls.

[TheDevilInside]

Whatever you want... I don't care. This is getting old with the butthurting guys...

[rjroy3]

Ehh. It's 50/50. I know MANY girls that were creeped out with how an unattractive guy approached her, when she would not be bothered if an attractive guy did the same exact thing.

But I've also seen unattractive guys be creepy about how they feel. It's usually because of what's going on in their head. They feel scared that the girl they're looking at might find out he finds her sexually attractive and wants to do things to her if given the chance. And that dichotomy is making them come across as creepy.

[Fugue]

That doesn't seem like 50/50, to me. It seems like a variation of the same thing which stems from guys being unattractive. Of course someone being aware of the consequences and likelihoods of being unattractive are going to have their behavior affected by it.

[rjroy3]

30/70 then lol

[Fugue]

I'd say 5/95 if we're generous.

[rjroy3]

I'm not that cynical

[Fugue]

Neither am I. I am trying to be realistic, based on the data I have seen.

[rjroy3]

Any data past this gag poll might steer me the same direction. But I'll have to disagree with you there

[Fugue]

I'm not talking about this gag poll. I'm talking about the various sexual psychology material I have read, social experiments and real world observation.

[rjroy3]

Ahh.
Well I don't know the numbers. But I know a lot of girls do it. Who the message is coming from changes things. Same goes for sexual advances

[Fugue]

The poll strongly suggests a lack of self-awareness.

[rjroy3]

The poll shows a lot of guys seem to agree with you and nothing more

[Fugue]

I also shows girls disagreeing, uniformly. Considering the other data sources I mentioned, it seems like lack of self-awareness, to me, because I'm sure they do believe what they are saying. But intent is not what this is about.

[rjroy3]

And this mysterious data that you haven't shared with anyone will continue to offer no weight to the conversation until you link it for others to view.

[Fugue]

Snippiness is unnecessary and doesn't help your argument. If you wanted some sort of link, you could have asked. Your attitude doesn't make me believe citing specific sources is worthwhile, but I can state in a general sense, to anyone interested to google all the material they can find about attractiveness social experiments, tinder and other dating site experiments and other online dating statistics. Idealized opinions are cheap, but form your own conclusions with tangible evidence.

[rjroy3]

My apologies for acting snippy. That wasn't my intention. I simply meant Linking at least a few of your sources on your post would be more convincing of your side. Because simply stating what you say and referring to a study that no one has seen or heard of doesn't really benefit you or anyone else.

Now I agree with you that girls do this. I just don't think it's as high as you seem to believe, but again as I said before, I haven't seen any numbers to show me one way or the other. I just have personal experience, basic observation and a lot of female friends whom I've spoken with in the subject.

[Fugue]

Self-reporting is not an accurate metric in these sort of concepts.

[rjroy3]

Maybe, but it does easily open up the gates to more reasonable discussion where others offer more studies on either side. That usually can bring about a better understanding of the subject at hand

[Fugue]

As I alluded, I have seen a variety of studies on the matter, going back decades. Attractiveness studies are nothing new, but now we have an amount of data that goes beyond reasonable doubt from things like dating sites. You will never conclusively prove the facts on this sort of issue. People are always free to dismiss and question the validity of studies, or interpret the results of anything in a way that suits their opinions. This is human psychology, not something tangible like the atomic weight of carbon. That's why I don't think it's time well spent to fish out specific links. It's much better for people to inform themselves. If they do, I'm confident most of them would reach a similar conclusion.

[Goldie757]

Creepy men to me are really old men who are hitting or perving on me. Also any man who behaviours in an inappropriate manner towards me. I have met many attractive creeps.

Although there is a small percentage of women who consider unattractive men creeps.

[Fugue]

I think it's a gut reaction, not consideration. Do you have data that supports the statement that it's a small percentage of women? The only data I have at hand are some dating site experiments, and they go against what you say.

[Goldie757]

Basing creepiness on behavior is not exactly gut reaction. Behaviour is considered creepy when it makes people uncomfortable. Repeatedly pushing against somebody’s boundaries is creepy behavior; a person who ignores a woman’s discomfort or wishes and keeps pushing at her boundaries carries the implication that the he is either testing them.

If a woman is attracted to someone, she is more likely to feel comfortable with them and more willing to accept certain behaviours… that is, her boundaries may be different for this person. This doesn’t mean that attraction is an all-encompasing passport to do whatever you want; just because somebody’s boundaries may be relaxed in certain areas doesn’t mean that they no longer exist. It’s very easy to shut down another person’s attraction to you in an instant, whether it’s by being an asshole, saying something rude or inconsiderate, or pushing at her boundaries.

[Goldie757]

But being conventionally attractive doesn’t magically inure you to being considered creepy. There are studies which do which back this up.

Women who use “creep” as a way of saying “ew, how dare you think you had a chance of talking to me?” They’re assholes. And you know what? I have no time for assholes. And neither should you.

[Bluemax]

"Although there is a small percentage of women who consider unattractive men creeps."

Agreed it's a small percentage. What's to be done about that small percentage? Say nothing? If you were a mother, teacher, or mentor to a younger woman who falls into that small percentage, do you just let her keep on labeling unattractive men as creeps, or would you say something to her?

[Bluemax]

"But being conventionally attractive doesn’t magically inure you to being considered creepy. There are studies which do which back this up."

No, it doesn't inure you. It helps though, and not just for men. What studies are you referring to?

[RachelBrigs]

If an unattractive guy hits on me I am just like "bleh, this is awkward. "
I don't think he's a creep unless he acts like a creep.

So for example I met this guy recently and he's very unattractive but when we met we had a small talk and he seemed nice, I thought he was a cool guy. Then... he grabs my ass... like right after meeting me. He kept touching me even after I told him to stop... THAT'S a creep.

When I was in high school there was a really cute guy in my chem class who would stare at my boobs all the time and would like kinda corner me in the hallway and laugh, and that was creepy. Regardless of his attractiveness

[JustinCaseUDontKnow]

The term creepy can mean many things, i stay my distance from females , if they are interested in being friends then we will talk , i do know the girls who you can joke with and i know the ones who can be bitches and they are the ones you wanna stay clear of they come charging me with false statements with calling me a creep i will send their usernames, emails , phone numbers to law enforcement ,, I have low tolerance for bullying , name calling, harassment.. Yes some of us Average to below Average men like myself are called creeps but i say let them do it cause they will pay the price ,, Yes i got low self esteem and bipolar i been victim abused in many ways by many people so it gives me complex about myself and yes i don't find myself attractive but that's life but i do believe that the word creepy is used too loosely that's why i watch myself and cross my T's and dot my i's

[JustinCaseUDontKnow]

I believe all men attractive or non-attractive can be called a creepy , yes it will happen and the statement i made on this opinion is not that only pertaining to GaG but other websites or even in real life you can be called creepy maybe by a cashier at the local Walmart it can happen.

[alexsc]

Both answers are correct in a way. An unattractive who flirts with a girl will be unwelcome, and thus his actions become creepy. An attractive guy doing the exact same thing will be welcome, thus his actions are not creepy.

(And the attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder)

Then there is of course a range of creepiness, some actions, like stalking, are creepy no matter who does them.

But the "creep shaming" is just as real and bad as the "slut shaming", only difference is that girls tend to not acknowledge this and keep on calling guys creeps with no remorse.

[Folklore]

I've never heard of creep shaming, but I've been called it multiple times by many different women for absolutely no reason. So I kind of have to go with option A. The difference I think, is that women have pre-rendered thoughts about who they would like to be approached by, and if a man that does not fit her ideal demographic, he's creepy. Don't get me wrong, there are some weird creepers out there, but I feel the term creep is thrown around more loosely than the word love these days. I'm speaking generally of course, obviously not all women are like this, but so far the vast majority in my life have acted this way. Anyways, for me it's option A based off of personal experiences.

[Accipiter]

Creepiness is an illusion. A behavioral facade put together by weird and threatening mannerisms. Certain threatening mannerisms and actions can make someone feel uncomfortable. Since women are more vulnerable than men, they are more likely to feel uncomfortable due to this kind of behavior. There are plenty of ways to go about complementing and checking out a girl without being a creep.

That said, I do agree with you that some girls DO misuse the word and give it to harmless non-threatening guys who don't deserve it.

[Anonymous]

I'm less concerned about "creep shaming" and more concerned about "virgin/prude shaming". Seriously, how can women and girls be oppressed if they have mercilessly taunted me and other men about our virginity? I don't insult anybody about their sexual activity, so why is it ok for people to insult me about mine? It seems like the standards of public discourse and decency are slipping. But hey, I'm just a whiny baby apparently, I guess I should go back to fixing cars and grunting in my garage while drinking a beer now.

[Fugue]

No, it's always been that way. Now you just hear about it more.

[AleDeEurope]

Of course it's a thing, you gotta be blind to say it's not. Hell, even girls have admitted that it's more common for them to call a guy creepy if he's unattractive.
Girls just don't wanna admit that they do that, but OBVIOUSLY they do.

But some attractive men are creepy too, they just get away with it more often than the unattractive guys.

[Fugue]

True, such as this article. www.theatlantic.com/.../#disqus_thread

The author doesn't deny that it's based on attractiveness. She ultimately just says that it's OK to call ugly men creepy.

[AleDeEurope]

It's no secret that this happens. Just go to a club, stay in one spot and observe. You'll see the ugly guys trying to make advances will get the ugly look and called creepy, while the attractive man that just comes up and grabs the girl and dances with her will get no complain by her.
Hypocrisy.

[Fugue]

I don't think it's hypocrisy if they're not aware of it. In clubs it's usually people too young to know anything about it, so they are just reacting to their urges and not thinking about it.

[AleDeEurope]

Well, if you humiliate an ugly guy for doing the same thing as an attractive guy, but this one doesn't get humiliated, it is hypocrisy.

[Fugue]

I would just call it some kind of sadism. Hypocrisy implies an ideology or at least rhetoric. Hypocrisy would be if one of the women that says it's not about looks suddenly got caught doing what you describe to 99 ugly men, and not to 1 attractive one.

[Jimrat86]

Women won't admit most flaws about themselves because that would require being a down to earth human being.
I completely agree with your statements. It's just that girls don't want the flaw in this behavior to be about them, so instead of just acknowledging that they behave differently around attractive men than unattractive men, they fabricate stories in which the ugly ones were "So stalkery" and "So creepy".
Also, they love to talk about how much they get hit on because it feeds their egos.

[JustinX9]

Very true

[HikerDude]

"Creep" is girls' catch-all phrase for guys they don't like, a byword for the undesirable guys. It's not all about looks, but there's no question that attractive guys are far less likely to be labeled creeps from the outset. Girls don't like to admit that they're even more crass than guys, so they deny that they're so judgmental, but they are.

[Prof_Don]

If the guy is unattractive to the female in question, he is more quickly placed into the "creep" category if he does or says something she is unsatisfactory with.

[goflipaburger]

i've had handsome guys act super creepy. if i'm clearly not interested, leave me alone and i won't call you a creep. it is a very simple concept.

[Jimrat86]

But they don't know that you are not interested.
None of you give us any hints or cues that you are interested, then complain that men don't approach you.
Why do you suppose that is?
Creep shaming.

[goflipaburger]

@Jimrat86 they do know I'm not interested because I tell them I'm not interested.
And I'd prefer if men didn't approach me, actually. If I'm interested, I'll do the approaching.

[ccp16]

A lot of guys are creeps and I don't blame women for being scared of them. That being said, many, many women use the term creep, to simply mean a guy who is pursuing her but she does not find attractive. Guys do this too, but usually with the term 'crazy girl' or something. I think both scenarios exist, but we should stop calling people creepy or crazy just because they are pursuing us and we happen to not find them attractive... it actually gets creepy when they won't stop making advances.

[Anonymous]

There's a difference. I don't automatically assume every guy is a creepy. It's what they do that makes them creepy. If you say no and they push, that's crossing a line. If they don't say anything to you, but stare and follow you to your car... yeah, that's creepy.

Yesterday I had a stranger ask me about the movie in my hand. He saw it and said how much he liked it. He smiled and left. That was not a creepy encounter.

[I_am_repulsive]

No matter how good looking you are, if you're creepy and do strange shit, you're a creep and a pervert. Looks has nothing to do with someone being creepy and it has everything to do with what you do with your life, action and how you approach women via objectifying them, stalking them and what not.

[Fugue]

Agree, but this is more about perception and reactions.

[Octavius]

It's both. Sometimes no matter what the guy does he will be creepy simply because the girl didn't find him attractive. There's nothing he could change other than being better looking to not be considered creepy.

But many girls (you know the ones anyone with respect would actually want to date) do not give attractive guys a pass on their creepy behavior and they also are nice to guys they find unattractive and don't just call them a creep for being unattractive and approaching them.

[Fugue]

Sure, but the former is far more likely and the latter are the exceptions.

[Octavius]

No I see dudes being creeps all the time. I see the latter happen fairly often as well and those are the women I talk to. If you think most women are the former why are do you want to date them then? Have some self respect don't be with a douchebag just because she has a vagina for you to screw.

[Fugue]

Are you asking me? This isn't about me. If you're rhetorically asking guys, in general, in the former guys hit on girls because they are attracted to them and were never educated on the matter that they had no chance with them. On the contrary, society tells them that they have to jump through hoops to impress girls and that "looks don't matter". I would agree that that needs to be reversed and girls should be left alone by most men.

[FreyaDiermayr]

hmmmmmmm it seems the men dont always know what we mean, attractive guys can be creepy af

[Fugue]

I see this comment a lot, here, but I'm willing to bet that "attractive creep" is not really attractive.

[FreyaDiermayr]

That's what guys think...

[FreyaDiermayr]

I remember for instance this guy who was really attractive who ended up LICKING me randomly

[Fugue]

It's disingenuous to imply that an isolated incident defines the trend.

[JustinX9]

You can't blame men, it is easier to understand quantum physics than women at the end of the day

[littlepig2002]

I'm gonna say both. In NYC, for example, it is the creeps who act creepy. In the more rural South, creepy is a synonym for unattractive male who does the manly thing and looks/talks to a woman.

The latter is the big reason why women complain about the so-called Seattle freeze, which does not exist.

[Ashari]

Some attractive guys can also be creepy. Example:guys that is too much into worshiping God. Don't get me wrong, I'm Christian myself but if u start mentioning God in every topic u talk about it is creepy for me.

[Bluemax]

I tend to find anyone who goes to extremes a bit unnerving.