Get The Girl: Why Nice Guys Always Finish Last

[rozequarts]

What's with girls always being into the a**hole that doesn't even care about them? Here you are being super nice, and incredibly caring, and yet women don't give you the light of day. By now it has probably crossed your mind that maybe you should be an a**hole to women and maybe then they will magically be into you.

I've seen this scenario plenty of times and answered these types of questions on GaG plenty more.

The reality is, when a "nice guy" ends up getting rejected numerous times and then comes on here to hate on women and tell you they're all shallow gold-diggers, it's a HUGE red flag. The moment a guy says that I know he probably:

a) has as much personality as a wet mop, or

b) wears the nice-guy mask and then feels entitled to sex

(or sometimes a combination of both).

Guys, please believe me when I say - most women DONT want to be dating a d*ck. Most women love a guy who will be our rock and support, treat us like gems, and just an overall great companion. So here's the real question: why is Jimothy over there who has two brain cells and treats women like trash, seemingly more lucky with women than you are?

1. What some women want. (AKA what the wrong women want).
If you want women that don't really understand what's good for them, golddigger women, shallow women, or plainly, stupid women, go ahead and be a d*ck to them (while being flirtatious of course). If you got great looks or money to offer, it should be a breeze. That's all that those types are women are looking for. Yes, I have met those women, and man, are they irritating. A woman like that will put up with anything if a) you're really attractive or b) you've got $$$. Honestly, I think of Instagram models when I say this. Not that there's anything wrong with modeling on IG - but you gotta admit 97% of them have that annoying high pitch and a high-maintenance personality. Is that really the kind of woman you want though? If you do, hey, no judgment here - but you won't get far unless you meet that checklist.

The good news is, those women are rare compared to the average girl.

2. Why the sweet girl rejected you.

If you want a decent girl, probably nice, beautiful, intelligent, and mature; you need to be a well-balanced guy. YES, that means not too nice, but not an asshat either.

As a woman (and I like to believe I am the second type of the women I have mentioned), I want a guy that is kind to me, kind to others, and has an interesting personality that balances and compliments mine. Of these three, the first is important for me to even consider the guy on my radar. The last is super important when I want to actually date the man. Seriously, you can't force that last one.

I have rejected super nice guys before, and its simply because the personality was not something I was into. [If a girl feels she's got more balls then you by the way, you're screwed.] One guy was obviously into me - but it was from the minute we met. To me that's not romantic it tells me my looks caught his attention first, and he never really got to know the real me but confessed his feelings for me rather quickly. (I learned he was pretty much crushing on plenty of girls at my university, I wasn't even special). He had no idea what hobbies I was into or what I liked. In contrast, he didn't have many of his own. He wasn't passionate about anything. He just did whatever was easy. He was just plain boring.

BUT I have also been turned off by a guy I was crushing on hard; this guy was extremely hot and exuded "manly tough guy". Yes, I admit, his looks are what caught my attention first - but he didn't bother to clean up after himself after he drank his coffee (that was when I knew he was going to be a pain in the ass). I guess he got a lot of female attention and thought he could get away with it.

3. The type of guy you want to be.

Most girls want a nice guy, but not the stereotypical definition of "nice guy". We want a guy who is kind and helpful, but assertive. One who sticks to his grounds and doesn't just follow our every command. Its the perfect push-pull in a relationship. For me, the biggest thing is for him to have a good personality that balances with mine; like we can talk for ages about things not many others really understand or enjoy. He's generally a good person, but not too "soft"; he asserts his position without making me feel like I'm arguing with a stubborn toddler. Most women want exactly this type of relationship and that type of man.

Thats my take. Hopefully this paints a more accurate picture.

[emmily2396]

I think it's quite wrong to label women not liking "nice guys" as wrong type of women. If by "nice guy" you mean someone who is nice, but not very confident, brave, can't standup for himself then that's why some women don't like the nice guy. Women like "bad guys" for the qualities that make them look more manly, not because they are assholes. Also, physical features play a role as well. You can be the nicest person ever, but when it comes to relationships the other person must be satisfied with your looks.
Of course, there are women who are shallow and would only date guys for their money or looks, these type of women aren't worthy of a nice person anyway. They may realise their mistakes later in life.
I personally like a mix of both, someone who can be a nice person, yet authoritative, someone confident without being arrogant, someone that can express an honest opinion peacefully, some who is caring because they mean to, not to impress (the nice guy may get frustrated or tired at some point because they may go out of their way to impress the woman and she may not put the same effort). Also, common values and hobbies are important. It's the whole package that matters, not if they are good/bad guys.

[A_Bell]

Being nice is a minimal qualification. It doesn't get you the job.

You also have to be attractive, compatible in bed, click intellectually, be interesting and not be so damned needy.

Lots of guys are nice, they also need a personality and phyical sexiness that nice-only wall-flowers seem to lack.

[rozequarts]

Agreed! I forgot to add that. But yes, I can't believe some guys who are nice - get upset about rejection when that is literally their only quality. Give me a break. A LOT of people are nice. What else ya got tho son?

[Anonymous]

ya know

i'm a quiet dude, i keep to myself but i joke around if something comes to mind, work on my own projects / hobbies and have a stable job. I wouldn't call myself a typical nice guy, but i like to treat others with the respect i believe i deserve as well. I don't know why, but for whatever reason when i treat girls kindly and with respect they give some attitude off that i don't get from guys. guys return the respect, because guys have a mutual respect for one another. what the hell do i do? chew a girl's ass for acting immature? guys don't tolerate it with one another, and neither do i if i received it from some dude. but i can't just get in a girl's face over it as I might with a dude if he pushes it too far, obv that's just asking for legal action. hell, if i get mad at a girl i'll be forever mad at her because she's done [insert attitude here] (just as I would with a dude)

I don't know, i'm held socially hostage, girls are complicated and a headache

mind you, i'm not mister perfect either, but i'm sure you can see this is very frustrating

[rozequarts]

Yikes. That’s upsetting because you sound like the good type of nice guy - the one girls should be chasing. I can’t speak for the girls you’ve met. But hopefully you meet nicer girls, I know they exist. by the way obviously violance out of the question - but if you feel a woman is being a shitbag with you, you can be an asshole right back there’s no crime against that. Someone who doesn’t respect you doesn’t deserve your respect.

[Opinion Owner]

i totally get what you're saying, and i'm sure you can see where I might have a personal problem (if get let myself get mad its very hard to forgive, esp when something is done specifically with me in mind, all i think about is how the person did [insert jerk thing]. i point it out, they may or may not apologize, but that doesn't change my mindset toward them). But i can't justify being a jerk in return b/c it just seems childish to me. I'm not saying your idea is bad, i agree with it a lot. though as a kid I learned "when you and an idiot are fighting over which one of you should get through a doorway first, be the bigger person and hold the door open for the idiot". in other words, don't stoop to their level. that doesn't mean to be a push over, but also realize its not worth the effort to make them understand that they're stupid, and by arguing it makes you look just as stupid. if i was a dick in return, i'd feel as childish as they should ya know? but my respect is surely lost

[Opinion Owner]

as for nicer girls, i find them, rarely. they're very few and far between. and they're always taken... fml haha

in all honesty tho i don't mean for this predicament to encompass all girls; there are most certainly nice ones who don't act this way. Its just a problem that happens from a number of girls i run into, and i try to not let it frustrate me but I don't know it crosses my mind on occasion after the fact

[rozequarts]

Im glad to hear that you're the bigger person each time. Really I hope things work out for you, going off your age I wanna say you're young and its only a matter of time before you find the right girl for you. Good luck!

[Opinion Owner]

thanks for the convo and good luck to you too : )

[ATuairiscean]

Great take - This whole concept passed me by somewhat, I actually did know it was a thing until I joined GaG in 2015 - By that stage I was just going into my late 40s, an age group where it definitely is not a thing so I look on in bemusement - The main thing in GaG that I notice is the need to compartmentalise everything "All girls will..." "All people being crushed on will stop and talk after 3rd *accidental* meeting in the corridor" "All girls should have put out by 4th date, 2 hrs in" "If a person doesn't respond to a text in 7 hours , your attraction is in crisis"
Life is just a series of events and interactions not a algorithm

[rozequarts]

Thank you, and well said. Honestly, being a 21 year old is difficult in the world of romance. I can't really understand why - it just seems like the younger generations would rather play games than be straight up with their interest.

[Logorithim]

Good Points here. Nice is fine, as Long as you're not a doormat. That's a turn-off for Girls.

[rozequarts]

Agreed.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

I've seen this time and again, women are like children in this regard; some of them test the man and the less he asserts himself the more and more nasty and irrational she can get in her treatment of him...

[sonnysunshine]

The problem is that young boys are being taught that being “super nice” borderline pushover is what women want in our society. Now with all this metoo crap it’s only going to make things worse.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

It's good to see there are girls out there that can at least articulate the fact that they despise weakness in men. It's something I've often talked about many a time.

I do however have to laugh at many the girls's responses here. I'm often very apprehensive and pensive of you gals when I start to hear the bucket-listing of wishes/demands you hold for what you consider to be masculine - beyond the basic truth that weak men do not deserve a good woman.

Take it from someone that has been labelled both as a "womaniser" and "traditionalist"; I can arrest that many women in this day and age themselves are *NOT WOMEN*, the same as many doormat nice guys, as well as the 10 minute thundercuckolds that masquerade as "fuckbois", are *NOT MEN*.

Many of you gals these days lack even the basic virtues of womanhood and yet prance around thinking that it's a *REAL MAN* that you desire, and worse yet, deserve.

Here's a vital piece of advice for any girls out there earnest (and honest) enough to listen; no matter how much you tell yourselves that your the finest piece of ass in town, no matter how much you think you rock as a person, I can guarantee that each one of you (if you haven't already) have or will come across these rare specimens known as "real men" and fuck it all up for yourselves.

This is normally due to your own irrational and emotionally driven insecurities, you won't handle the fact that this beast that's attracted to you has a million other chicks sniffing his backside and yet he chooses to talk to you...

When you girls eventually kill any attraction with this rare kinda guy, who's tough and don't take none of your shit, you flip it and claim that he wasn't giving you enough attention...

When in reality your shit behaviour merely reminded him that there's a million other chicks out there potentially better than the piss poor show your putting on... For him to snag and actually "chase"...

Then when the bitterness kicks in you all resort to (ir) rationilising why he didn't come running after you. That's when all your flawed bucket lists of what makes a man a *TRUE MAN* start to arise from the waves of verbal diaherria you spout.

I'm not negging this post that much to be fair, I agree with the fact that nice guys are weak pussies undeserving of a proper chick. But equally what needs to be highlighted is the amount of hypergamic, hypocritical, contradicting dissonance among you girls who are also undeserving of *TRUE MEN*...

[FreshOutaIdeas]

*attest* not arrest

[rozequarts]

I have no arguments against this, I see where you're coming from actually. What do you mean by real woman?

[FreshOutaIdeas]

I think it goes something like this; it's been a long held biological truth that women are the more emotionally-oriented of the genders, and damn right that's how it should be. Women are the nurturers after all!

However women of old were still able to keep themselves grounded in a degree of logic which allowed them to understand things with a degree of objectivity within their emotional evaluations - e. g. "a genuine seeming man is trying to court me, his looks make me quiver! I don't need to open my legs straight away but damn I wanna get to know him..." And so she gets to know him and they hit it off. This woman was well mannered, well grounded, feminine, and knew that she'd need to look after her man complimentary to his adoration of her.

A little poetic but necessary to make the point.

Now, as I've already alluded to, due to the pressures of the modern world, PC culture (feminism, attack on masculinity etc etc), mass media, consumerism and so on... (more)

[FreshOutaIdeas]

Women in our generation have become (and of course I can only speak in the very general here) pressured, insecure, unsure, and downright de-feminised.

Women are no longer taught how to become women (carers, nurturers, advisors), there is a void and a dissonance the character structures of you girls, created by the antagonism of modern societal standards (ala feminism); and their primitive instincts (to be loved and protected by a strong, virtuous, honourable man that gives you the physical and emotional safety to care for him as a nurturing woman).

This void, in line with the use of social media, along with feminism and everything else, has created a new girly subspecies that is socially and sexually inarticulate. With no "divine feminine" to offer any man, she then creates herself an ego, an ego that, like a vampire, sucks on the attention of desperate males (not men) as the only form of validation of her existence as a female... (more again, bear with)

[FreshOutaIdeas]

And again, as highlighted by the brunt of my original post, the tragic part in this sorry state of affairs is that this "modern woman", with all her mechanisms of vapid ego building (particularly with social media right?), still suffers from a deep and primitive yearning for the true man.

If this kind of girl is blessed with physical attractiveness, no doubt she'll initially get the big man's attention (after all the alpha wants the best), he'll take her out, and then cyclically repeat all that I described earlier - as she realises that he's above her in so many ways, she defaults to shit testing mind games (validation seeking), rather than "womaning up" and showing the handsome beast she's actually complimentary to him.

He then realises that this chick, hot though she is, is like the last 20 dimes he took out, and swiftly moves on. Her inflated ego pops and it breaks her. All she can do is avoid ownership of being far too flawed. (almost there!!)

[FreshOutaIdeas]

However in some defence of the modern woman, this is where your take comes in.

In this day and age it's not just feminity thats been destroyed, but masculinity too. We in the west are a civilisation full of gamma male nice guys and terribly faux alpha beta male "fuckbois".

Both are lacking in all masculine virtues (strength, courage, mastery and honour), and to fill their voids in masculine identities they become doormats or "gym bruhs that bang sloots and bitchez"... After their homoerotic workout sessions with the boys (coming from someone who lifts and boxes btw). Their waxed six packs or nerdy skinny packs provide nothing but a fleshy dildo for the chicks that got nothing to offer true alphas.

This society of ours provides no promotion or outlet for men either...

This fucks the gender dynamics up completely, neither side is getting what their primitive selves need, nor can either side give each other what's necessary.

Perhaps why divorce rates have sky rocketed?

[FreshOutaIdeas]

I appreciate it's a long ass reply. But it kinda needed to be.

[rozequarts]

No I enjoyed reading it, and I see your point in a lot of this.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

Cool! Hopefully I can at least offer you a greater insight I suppose. Though as is expected on a site like this I've only skated over the perspective. Mind you any more and I'd be writing a book... *rolls eyes* 😂.

[Knighted2170]

Here is what I have seen. Bad boys tend to be aggressive. The nice guy is polite. When the girl is dumped by the bad boy, she cries on the nice guys shoulder. So, Mr. Nice turns aggressive and ends up being a rude wimp.
Why do some women choose bad boys over nice guys?
Bad boys can be exciting. She can do things with them that she can't do with a nice guy.
Bad boys tend to be very masculine. To the woman it seem extreme compared to the nice guy.
Bad boys are mysterious. They have a dark side that women can be curious about. He also cannot be tamed.
Bad boys are fearless with women. He may promise fidelity, but denies his indiscretion.
This tends to be a phase most women go through. She realizes the bad boy is an a*hole and leaves. She sees him keeping secrets, his infidelity, and his selfishness. Once she has been through the roller coaster ride with one, two, or even three bad boys, she will avoid the a*hole jerks forever. However, she may still crave that excitement.
Now step in the nice guy who is considerate, but not boring, offering elements of excitement.

[rozequarts]

I never went through a phase where I WANTED bad guys. Masculine guys yes, like i mentioned but i only admire from afar - because like you say they get a lot of female attention and are usually very cocky jerks because of it.
But im cautious of a guy who is tooo nice. And yes, the nice guy who is considerate, but interesting, and exciting is the way to go. Thanks for sharing

[Knighted2170]

Not a problem.
I say most, but there are exceptions. You would be one of those. It depends on self esteem really. Those with very high self esteem may or may not go through the phase. Those with high self esteem may go out with one or two. The lower the self esteem the more bad boys she may go through.
Extremely low self esteem may just go out with real bad boys - but that is a whole different topic.
Yes, the guy who is tooo nice - that's a different topic as well, on sooo many levels.
Nice take though - well done. Sorry I didn't mention it earlier.

[rozequarts]

yeah I never thought of it like that - I see your point.
And no problem, Im always up for hearing opinions.

[Knighted2170]

It's an observation I made. I also just finished an article on a related subject - it got rejected. I'm going to see about making a MyTake. I need to do some clearance first before I post it.
Your take isn't far off from that I did. Just a slightly different point of view and wording. Like you I'm always up for hearing opinions, and seeing things through other peoples' eyes.

[rozequarts]

Well this is my first take and I didn't think it would be taken seriously by GAG admin so its pretty rough - but I think its because the topic itself is popular and slightly controversial they added it to the popular page. I think as long as the topic is bound to get views, admin will do the rest of the work for you.
Looking forward to reading your take!

[Knighted2170]

I'll let you know as when it goes up. I have to clear it first because it was ordered by an online magazine. I may have to change it up.
I'll let you know though.

[rozequarts]

Cool beans

[Knighted2170]

Posted that MyTake I mentioned.
Timely Advice - How To Actually Meet Women’s Desires ↗

[RockStarBob]

"By now it has probably crossed your mind that maybe you should be an a**hole to women and maybe then they will magically be into you."
That may get you laid, but it rarely results in any kind of stable relationship. Worked great for me back in college. But real relationships are built on something a little more. However, that said, I think most guys have to be a little dickish in the beginning, or the girl WILL see him as a pushover. One needs to find a comfortable balance between nice and tough.

[rozequarts]

Yes I agree with all of that.

[TonyBologna25]

I’m a strong believer in being unapologetically you. If you’re a nice guy, then don’t try and act like a dick in an attempt to try and get women. That’s a facade and women will pick up on that. Nothing is more unattractive to a woman than a guy who doesn’t have enough confidence to just be himself. You can be nice without being a pushover bitch letting people take advantage of you. The two are not synonymous. Be a man and stick up for what you believe no matter your personality.

[rozequarts]

Well said

[ObscuredBeyond]

I've found a lot of gals, things go okay... until the *big issues* come up. Then, neither will compromise from their position. And while I try to remain civil about it and find common ground in spite the differences of view, she sees no reason to treat me as anything other than a mortal enemy. If she can't win the argument, she gets nasty and makes it personal.

No sense continuing with someone like that who is that incapable of showing even basic respect when realizing you can't ever see a specific thing from her point of view.

I also seem to be attracted to crazy girls for some reason. And it takes getting to know them a little to find out the extent of how crazy they are - and why to stay away.

[Anonymous]

in my opinion, the worst part of the "nice guy" attitude is that they're all mad that they aren't getting the girl because dang it, they DESERVE it because of how nice they're being!

If you're nice just to get laid, then you're really not nice at all right? No one owes you a damn thing. If you're mad that your tactics to getting laid aren't working, maybe its YOU and your actions that are the problem here

[rozequarts]

Oof. Very well said.

[bernicestockstill]

Great question! I will express my opinion on this. You can accuse me of untruthfulness, but believe me this is how it works.
We like the most complete idiots, so that, despite the fact that they behave in this way, they are confident and you will know for sure that he will conquer the mountains for you.
Ordinary cute guys, often, just modest. You can be incredibly cool, but if we don’t see the strength in you, and we take you as a girlfriend, welcome to the friend zone league.
Guys, be good, but sure. We girls often manipulate you, very often, to test you "for stability" like a guy. Defend your thoughts, your actions. We will be offended, but we will all understand that you are right.
Just be stronger than us girls. Thank you for attention!

[Robert77]

Wow lady you really need to lose that ego of yours. If I were to come across you I wouldn’t give you the time of day based on your personality alone. All those “nice guys” you claim to have rejected and put down in this thread of yours turns my stomach. It’s “women” (and I use that term loosely with you) that give real women a bad name. Take a news flash you ain’t God’s gift to men and your shit stinks like everyone else’s so get over yourself and off that high horse you rode in on. Otherwise one day a nice guy will come along and you’ll pass up a wonderful opportunity or some jerk will come along and treat you like complete crap which is what you want anyways. Then you’ll run to the nice guy as your emotional tampon at midnight bitching and whining about how bad your boyfriend treats you and how you wish he was more like the emotional tampon you’ll never date. Get over yourself I’ve seen your type one to many times on here before

[rozequarts]

HAHAHAHAHA you make too many assumptions. I am not egotistical at all I am just sharing my experience. I never said guys are chasing me and I reject all of them, I was providing a single example with ONE guy. I loveeeee nice guys, but if nice is all they have to offer - they have no passion for anything, what in the world will I talk to him about? I won't settle for a guy who has nothing to offer but being nice, there are PLENTY of great men out there that are nice AND have personality and hobbies. But either way i don't give a rat's ass what you think of me.

[Robert77]

Good because you shouldn’t and judging by your ignorant response you’re assuming all nice guys have no personality with nothing to offer which couldn’t be farther from the truth. How do they know you don’t have anything to offer them? You really need to mature yourself up

[rozequarts]

I never assumed that. This is exactly what my take is about. The nice guys that have nothing else to offer except being "nice" but they expect girls to reciprocate their attraction. The thing is, 80% of the guys I've met in my life were genuinely nice. Nice isn't the only quality I am looking for though. I look at their hobbies, family, education, goals. That is what I am talking about in this take. 10% of those really nice men, have no personality. Some jerks have no personality too - but jerks shouldn't even be getting a chance with women, so I won't benefit them by writing a take. Like I mean it, they couldnt talk about anything, they have no hobbies, they have no political views, their conversation consisted of talking only about myself and the weather. I hated that. Stop assuming about me when you haven't met me.

[Robert77]

They only talk about you and the weather because you don’t give them anything to talk about. Maybe your conversational skills need improvement and not be so judgmental then maybe those nice guys would have more to talk about then you or the weather. The way it sounds you’re willing to put the blame for your lack of social action on everybody else except yourself. Take a long look at yourself in the mirror and do some serious evaluating of what you want in a guy and a relationship rather than this immature crap I been hearing about repeatedly

[rozequarts]

Yah and yet I have no problem talking to other guys. Stop hating on women because they dont give you any. Im done here.

[Robert77]

I’m not hating on women I’m just hating on your judgmental ass. So get off your fucking high horse and lose your ego bitch

[jellyroo]

Why make so many assumptions, dude? "You don't give them anything to talk about", how would you know that? Do you share a telepathic link with every guy she's met and turned down?

[rozequarts]

@jellyroo Dont bother with him. He's a 'grown man' with the mentality and debate skills of a teenager.

[Robert77]

@jellyroo just so you know miss feminazi, going by how she answers her response questions and what she's stated thats how i know

[Robert77]

Really im not the one who’s on here bashing nice guys you are which clearly indicates you have the personality of a spoiled child like daughter brought on by daddy issues

[rozequarts]

I wasn't just bashing nice guys. If you can't properly comprehend what im saying then click the little back button at the top of your screen and mind your own business.

[Reggieray]

You can be as congenital and gregarious as you like if you remember one simple rule:

1. Don't be a pussy

If you want something make a direct path to it. If something needs to be said, don't wait for someone else, stand up look them in the eye and say it. If sometime attempts to back you down, match their intensity and raise them one. Get comfortable with being uncomfortable. Will you be liked by everyone? No, but quality people will gravitate to you, and more people will ultimately respect you.

[RosabelleRabbitLover]

What I hate about jerks is they pretended to be nice and treats you like crap after they got you to like them these assholes will get karma for that I swear on my life!!😡😡😡 ps: I met a great guy here he sometimes is too nice so I taught him well. 1 month later we broke up due to studies and we both lost feelings for each other he’s my first boyfriend it’s kinda a waste at least it’s a good experience

[Gopnik]

you shouldn't be waiting for girls to get into you and that's one of the most common mistakes in the 'nice guy' community.
they wait and they wait until they have to settle with the fat lazy ones.
i'm no master in dating and even i have figured that out.
you should be putting some effort into flirting with girls.

[LeoElias]

I've never been a nice guy. I've always been the dick. Honestly it works, I get plenty of women into me. And idgaf if they are nice girls or bad girls because all I want is sex. A guy can afford to be a dick if he has something to offer the shallow ho. I have my body and I have money and I'll gladly use her for sex. For the remaining guys who want something meaningful they have to try harder. That's from my experience

[ChocoLada]

LoL, that guy on the first picture looks a bit like @Anon-ymous1 😂
Is this just a coincidence or you are implying something?
Anyway, it's a very nice myTake, I agree with most of your points :)

[Anon-ymous1]

It's the same guy.

[ChocoLada]

@Anon-ymous1 You mean it's you? Or you are using some other guy's photo because you are too shy?

[Anon-ymous1]

I'm not too shy; I'm using the pic of some Internet rando because this is an anonymous profile and I wanted to keep it that way. I look a bit similar to him so that's who I chose.

[ChocoLada]

@Anon-ymous1 I see, ok, that's a cool way to stay anonymous.

[rozequarts]

Coincidental. I typed in "nice guy" on google but I didn't want someone who looked too nice LOL

[ChocoLada]

LoL, good choice :D

[mobligator]

NICE GUYS ALWAYS FINISH LAST IS A FALLACY! Sure it seems that way at times but thats just an anomaly. It always pay to be nice to people in the long run. The bible has it right in this regard, do to others as you would have them do unto you and I'm not a bible thumping person. Kindness will get you much further in life than ignorance or being nasty or hateful. You will always remember the people who were kind to you.

[rozequarts]

Thats what I meant with this take. Nice guys dont finish last if they do it the right way.

[FatherJack]

I'm the reverse of a " Nice Guy TM " , I speak my mind and don't care if people like me or not. Those that like caustic humour and are not the perma-" offended " types , I get on with. I do understand where you are coming from , few , if any , women are attracted to wussy doormats.

[JackJPershing]

Being nice doesn't matter if she is not attracted to you.

Also, women are not stupid. They know when a guy is "being nice" in an attempt to manipulate them.

[rozequarts]

Both statements are true but women aren't attracted to men just for looks. Its a lot of stuff that inspires attraction in us.

[JackJPershing]

Yes, that should be a given. What I mean is that if she isn't attracted to a guy in some other way, his being nice will almost never make her interested. And 90% of the guys who say "I'm a nice guy." expect women to fawn over them because they show basic human decency. It's ridiculous.

[rozequarts]

Yes, agreed completely. Like I can't exaggerate this enough.

[CubsterShura]

The so-called 'nice guys' have this really negative energy: low confidence but high arrogance and sometimes even an annoying superiority complex which is a total turn-off. We like the opposite. A confident and humble man.

[UnknownXYZ]

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"No, but sometimes it works better to flirt in the beginning so she knows your'e interested. If she's responsive to that - you could start a friendship. Maybe it doesn't work for you, thats okay."

Perhaps you could write a detailed myTake on how to properly flirt with women?

[SngBirdy]

Reminder that nice guys dont get rejected just because there are nice.
Reminder that being nice a great and everyone loves nice people.
Reminder that everyone hates assholes.
Reminder that if you are attractive, it doesn't matter how nice or evil you are, you will always have girls fall for you.