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I agree I’m sick of the bullshit generalizations of just “be confident”, “grow some balls”, “be funny” like it just simple as flipping a switch. Is a lazy ass oversimplification.
I will tell you this though. Women want CHALLENGE. They are cat like and are turned on by mystery. A nice guy is unfortunately the opposite of this, even if he is confident.
So I recommend reading Doc Love, Corey Wayne and Dr Glover. They won’t turn you into a bad ass. BUT they help shed light on the problems and tendencies that make you unattractive to women. I did notice more success when I started following that advice. I did get laid more.
Good advice. I’ll suggest to take everything with a grain of salt. These guys make their living on it. Of course they’ll never tell you that you’ll fail. Work in your purpose, make money, be an example at work and in your community, the girls will chase that and when that happens be selective but kind. The key is Stop pretending being someone you are not just for getting girls.
@MajorZero it was easier for me to follow their advice to a T and see better results because what I was doing in my own wasn’t working.
But you are right, they are making big bucks off it. Corey Wayne especially is a bit haughty about it. But one thing these guys say that is very true: most dating books, speakers, columnists are written by women FOR women. In fact women are taught a very young age what the game is about. Men are expected to just “get it”. Now does that mean every girl knows what’s up and every guy is clueless? Nope. But it is true about what doc love said: when you are dating you are playing on THEIR turf.
I think people who empathize confidence Miss the point: Confidence is merely an indicator for other traits it is associated with. With wealth, physical strength, good looks, social status... etc., confidence is a common trait. As human beings we assisted confidence with such traits, and by association, it is a trait sought by women.
Even men who don't have good looks, money, or social status, can have something even more important: charisma; and you can't have charisma without confidence.
Most men are not ugly. The value you have is not only about confidence. You missed a lot of things too. For example being muscular a little bit. Most men can do it if they have enough money and a gym saloon or dummbells.
Communication is also so important. Charisma, self confidence, gesture and things like that are also a part of our attraction. İf a handsome man is very bad with communication, self confidence, charisma nad gesture, she won't get a girl.
I am a middle attractive man but I fucked a lot of women. Why more handsome men can not do this? Cuz they are only handsome. Their other values are not much more than me.
Confidence is important but its not the everything. There are also much more value options.
I'm pretty muscular I workout 4-5x weekly for years now. I think my charisma is alright too
So what's your success rate?
Extreme muscle is not attractive for women. Men will also find them bad looking. İt must be normal muscular. Anyway.
I improved myself with a dating couch and with reading self help books.
I'm not extremely muscular, in fact I'm about the height of Brad Pitt and have about as much muscle mas as he did in Fight Club (I checked on the internet). I just need to loose like 4kgs of fat cuz I've been bulking for many months now and I'm basically there
You skipped the question what is your success rate?
My success rate is good. 60 % or something. But remember no man in the world can get every girl. I fucked many beautiful and sexy girls that most men desire.
60%? Like where, in social circles, on warm approach or cold approach? Are you popular or wealthy?
Warm approach or cold approach? This terms came to me similar :D Do you know Turkish playboy Turan? He is also a dating couch. :)
No I don't but I might check him out I guess. Stop skipping questions, are you popular or wealthy or not?
He don't have any social media or something. You can not find him.
Ok, so what are you trying to tell me
I am not wealthy or handsome. But I am not ugly too. I am between handsome and ugly. Money is not important. I actually make her to pay my bills :D :D ahaha I say I have no enough money. Sometimes the pay my bills. But most of the time I pay myself, she pay her own food and drink.
Dating with women is an art. Dating with men is also an other art. There are a lot of books about it. Self help books are the most helpful one. Just think about men who try to sell some products to other people. How they affect other people? And what are the differences and similarities with the movement of dating?
There are a lot to talk about this. But now I am busy. I gotta go the gym. Bye 🖐
Well may I be damned cuz I've read so many books on pickup, watched so many video's, read so many articles that by now I should be a pickup coach myself. Gl in the gym
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I don't think there is such a thing as good dating advice, every women and every man is different and has different needs and wants.
I think the best advice you can give anyone is start with your self be the ideal you, and then when your ready just try things if something doesn't work try another thing.
Well working on confidence with women isn't the solution. Self confidence is and the rest follows. Plus "I have confidence in spades" sounds closer to arrogance, completely the opposite end.
Anyway the idea of confidence isn't about sleeping with someone on the first night its about dating.
90% really? Thats more than mine and I'm no male model, my social status sucks and material resources isn't a conversation I have in the situation (but I don't have a lot for it to be a bonus). You must be doing something terribly wrong. Possibly trying to push the interaction towards how you want it rather than being genuine. Doesn't matter how confident you are if a lass calls bullshit.
i think you miss the point that not one thing make you successful, its more things combined
being confident is often mistaken for being cocky, fully of ysf and egoistic or just plain dumb convinced into ysf even if there is no real reasons for you to be confidnet
Yes, we are attracted to superficial things, but not only to those things, its about ones looks + intelligence + personality
Nope, I'm just confident. I know I'm good enough. I'm also 7-8 in looks, high intelligence and I think a pretty fun guy overall.
The problem is when women imagine the guy they want they just *assume* he's already sexy and it doesn't even have to be stated. What if he's quite good looking, smart and interesting but he's a broke loner? Like his social status is so low he spends most of his time alone and nobody even knows his name and he is so broke he can't even afford to invite you out on a date and wears cheap clothes?
You sound like elliot rodgers lol
@TonyBologna25 I wonder what made you think I sound like an incel cold blooded murderer
did you read what i wrote properly? Maybe you are just confident and its real but as i said everything matters meaning you cannot single out one trait as confidence and say confidence doesn't work, sure it doesn't if you are ugly or have bad personality or whatever. But if you are confident and good looking and have great personality you probably will have good success. But its hard to be everyones cup of tea, people have subjective tastes therefore you will never appeal to everyone. Also I think most people are not just up for hook up. Im a good looking woman and plenty of guys totally out of my league show interest in me, but those in mine not so much, so its an illusion i have "options" when most guys that make an effort are barely average looking. Which is only one criteria. I think people are dumb thinking in such ways when you either just have sexual chemistry with someone or you dont.
Dating apps solidified it. Girls don't care about personality, they care about looks. We all do. I tested it myself. I got the best results on Tinder looking like a douchebag who was too cool to even look at myself in the mirror when I took the picture, plenty of drinking pictures and other bs. Looking presentable with well taken pictures and showing that I'm intelligent and have tons of hobbies and activities? HAHA nah that got me nowhere. Bumble was the opposite, however the match rate on bumble was considerably low even when presenting myself professionally AND the odds that the girl would begin the chat was horrid OR they'd flake out later on after committing nothing to the conversation.
Girls want "confidence", their perception of confidence is someone too stupid to understand what in the hell they're doing - a douchebag
I mean, when they say be confident it's more like don't be afraid to talk to women or get out there. It is still dependent on your personality and honestly, the whole 'I know I'm attractive' bit is a little turn off. It's great that you're that confident but it can be a little too much. Spouting off on how attractive you are when everyone has different tastes just makes you seem narcissistic
Women know shit about selecting a mate. If they did, they wouldn’t divorce so many of them. They fall for a show every time. I am smart, not “confident”. I know what my odds are in this world on various endeavors and I work to improve those odds. Assholes who can front, fake it and the women respond. That said, I always seemed to have a girl but I am not sure why. My friends told me they could see I was going places so perhaps that was it. It sure wasn’t due to some fake ass confidence. I knew it would be hard to be successful and I looked at the journey ahead with concern but yet here I am, very successful.
You’re making sense
I’d still reject a hot, high status, rich guy on the account that he’s a negative, entitled, complainer.
EXACTLY! Guys don’t realize how much their personality weighs in on their attractiveness. I’ve seen a ton of guys that at first glance, I’m attracted but after the first few conversations, you realize they’re a jerk, or self centered or just a complete a-hole. All of a sudden I view them differently and loose all attraction to them.
Yep. Guys who are sweet, humble, pleasant, gentleman is an absolute must.
@Serenity2014 Just like girls don't realize how much their personality weighs in their attractiveness. And it's only a matter of time till she becomes unappreciative and gold dig while blaming their boyfriends. (I'm generalizing but I don't care as you're generalizing guys as well)
“Sweet and humble” guys are a must. This were what a woman says she was does not equal what she REALLY wants (95 percent of the time).
Wimpy 😂
@Wowgirl30q Well that's a nice way to introduce yourself.
@Aiko_E_Lara some women never grow the fuck up.
@Aiko_E_Lara thanks
@Wowgirl30q Np, wimpy.
'How dare men talk about anything negative.' 'You're not allowed to have feelings.'
tbh I'd rather be in a relationship with a cheese sandwich at this point. I'd get more comfort out of that.
Way to be obtuse with my statement.
Having read "Why Women Love Bitches" and "The Rules", in effort to learn to recognize equally manipulative games women play, this issue has little to do with gender, far more human nature, but each seem to want to blame the other as the source of issues, rather than themselves, or anything connected to them, such as their own gender.
If you're good looking, confident AND have other skills, your success rate will be better than 10%. You don't need a Lamborghini. Someone who has interesting hobbies, is relaxed and easy to talk to, has traveled a bit: that adds up to status. Not the racy car kind either. And dating pros say men and women often fail at dating because they're choosing the wrong kinds of people. Maybe examine who you've been going after and see if that's where you're setting yourself up for failure.
Umm no matter how good a guy looks like or how confident he is, if he seems like only wanting sex I'd reject him in a heartbeat. So maybe that's the issue. Most women want something real, not just something for a night.
I see the ugliest men and women at Walmart with FOUR kids... if that's not theirs then I don't know who's they are! They're getting their children from somewhere!! I think your stats are wrong no offense!
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Yeah you put that correctly, ugliest men with the ugliest women. What a surprise, it's probably confidence that got them so far
Lol assholes down voting me so immature! Hiding and denying the truth! Lol so pathetic!
You meant ugly men with also ugly women or attractive women?
The best advice I ever got was "Stop being a little bitch"
Once you stop being a little bitch, you will have no problem getting women.
I agree most advice is bullshit. But this all predicated on sex. The people who value women for more than just sex, usually get the most sex.
Its the weirdos, who do 100 approaches at bars and clubs who barely get laid.
I think attractive men with skilled approaches will have better success rates. If you hit on random women who you haven't evaluated, spoken to, watched body language, your failure rate will be high.
@Screenwriter yeah I agree. It's better to go after women you know
Nope. I always tried for the beauties; way out of my league. Enjoyed 10% success. Still works at age 70. How's your hygiene? Do you smell like a man ought to smell?
Let me give you best dating advice to guys that will 100% work.
Get your lazy ass up and hit the gym, get crazy jacked body. Dont be idiot, approach women and nothing will go wrong.
Most of guys that get rejected probably didn't have new haircut in last 10years, stinks like shit and never worked out in their whole life and yet they expect some model to approach them lol
I workout 4x weekly for years now on a strict diet, go to the best hairdresser in the city, dress fashionably and I don't stink
Then your talking game is weak. You need to be more confident. Im not even trying and still bunch of girls are staring in me all the time. I bett if i approached them i could do something but i lost motivation for life
Well I don't look quite as good as you cuz I think I have shitty ass genes and no matter what I try it's very difficult for me to gain more muscle... But I still look quite good. I very rarely get girls starring at me. I think my game is fine tho
You can do and be what ever you want.
If you want to look good you gotta get shredded. When you get shredded your jawline will be more visible. Change position of your teeth so that was you train jawline (by pressing with teeth). Mabye change ur haircolor? Do something diffrent? Get totally diffrent haircolor. Fix ur eyebrows? Shave ur beard or let her grow?
Well I'm not shredded merely muscular and it's incredibly difficult for me to get any further. Even though I've been a lot and I'm getting fatter
Confidence is important, without it you wouldn't even try. Without confidence, if you ever even work up the courage ti ask in the first place, you would give up after the first rejection. Perhaps your problem is that you seem a bit full of yourself? You do seem confident enough indeed, but it is manifesting in a narcissistic manner and that is a turnoff.
I won't say that 'confidence is sexy' is COMPLETE bullshit, but at times yes, confidence may not be enough. A lot of girls out there are immature, spoiled brats that are on dating sites "for a laugh" (see myTake I wrote on limitations of dating apps) and there is almost no way of getting to them. So with women you not only have to be confident, but you have to also be good at puzzles, it comes as a complete package.
The game is rigged. Even if you were a millionaire those dumb women would still expect more from you. In the best case they would suck you dry, stress you out with their nagging and then move to the next well of resources. They can't build their own life so they have to drain a man's energy.