RE: "Why don't men want strong independent career women? Why are men so 'intimidated' by a woman who makes her own money and doesn't need a man?"

[MCheetah]

This is asked so many times on GAG. One far-left, progressive, liberal, feminist female GAG user just asked this today, in-fact. "Why do people actually think it’s man hating and unfeminine for a woman to make her own money and choose not to have children?" As a guy, I am so sick of this BS strawman argument. So here's the last time I, and other men, are going to state it.

Make money and be a selfish career woman, if you want. But no one has to also like you, while doing it.

Men are not "intimidated" by career women who put their money and career over their love life and family. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

No man wants a woman who outright states she doesn't want him cause she's so "strong and independent." Women can be so feminist if they want, but no man is obligated to want to be with such a masculine man.

Also, earning money is only important to women, cause they expect the man to share his money with her. No man expects women to share her money with him, for very obvious reasons. Because women usually don't.

This is why.

You also can't expect a traditional breadwinner, high-earning man, when you want to usurp his role in the household. This is yet ANOTHER thing men are sick of. Women who want to be feminists and girl-bosses, yet expect to be wined and dined by traditional men and want their man to out-earn even them, when these same women can't even act lady-like. The only reason guys are expected to make money, is to support their family. You know, the thing none of these girl-bosses even want in life, at their current age?

There's only room for one breadwinner in a household. And if you want to be that money-earning female so much, then the man out there for you would be a house-husband, male-feminist soyboy type, since you wanna wear the pants in the house, anyway. If you're the breadwinner, then expect the husband to be the house-sitter.

Either be a CEO or be a traditional lady, but no, men aren't going to see you as "both." Tough ti tties.

And no, there's a difference between a woman who has her own job and works for a living, and a woman who outright states "I DON'T NEED NO MAN." Well, it's like, sh*t, you've got your wish then. You can't have it both ways. You don't need no man, and we don't want you. We're not going to chase after you anyway, like you apparently want.

Let's put it this way. If you've got to outright state yourself as "being independent" and do all the "girl-boss" sh*t, then no, most men won't want you, won't feel appreciated, and won't waste their time with such a masculine "wanna-be Alpha Male" female who puts work and career over her love life and family. They also tend to be sh*tty mothers too, assuming they even want kids (most do not), which is another massive turn-off for most men.

No one hates "independent" career women. We're just not attracted to you because you're selfish.

Either be the "girl-boss" or don't. But don't complain about being the girl-boss and having no men (besides soy boys and weak submissive betas) desiring you, despite you "not needing no man." Cry about it like Drew Barrymore and Charlize Theron when you're 40-something, sitting on millions of dollars, down to your last egg, and no guy (in "your league") wants anything to do with you.

[Fuentes]

Honestly I think it's funny women really think we care about their careers & that they think because they get a high degree we would still not choose the McDonald's worker that's a 9 over a 6 that's has a huge degree lol

What they fail to realize is how tf do y'all who think this way think your gonna be a good mom, if your gone and at work and I'm working? I'm not staying home cause of my career and I'm defenitley nit having strangers and nannies and family raise my kid. So if your not going to be a good. mother your a instant turn off.

Nobody is saying women can't have money on the side and have a good side hustle and buy your own stuff or start a business but family comes first in the end and if your not looking to do that then don't settle down. or expect real MEN to wife you keep aiming for that BUM who lives in his mommas basement and smoke weed to be demasculated.

[Gloree]

oh, please

[Moose304]

That "BUM" in most situations is what people call Chad or Tyrone. At 64 I am old enough to see how things have changed. When I go out I see more and more >40 females dining alone than before. Even when I was in my 30s I saw men dining alone a lot, but these days I am seeing just as many females doing so. I see them sitting at bars alone or with other same-age gals. Also, you can add to this the dynamic of more and more females moving into the professions. Physicians, Attorneys, and Business executives. Men are staying in the technical fields. A female making $200,000+ a year is not going to settle for a man who at best makes $75,000 a year, ain't going to happen! The problem is these girls only have a limited about of suitable partners available to them, and most of these men are looking at < 25-year-old females. Now back to Chad and Tyrone. I know of several successful females today. Every single one of them had Chad and Tyrone's baby when they were either teens or early 20s. One such female recently had her son sentenced to about 6 years in a Virginia Prison, the son's father doesn't care and never really did. Every day as I get older I thank the stars, the Moons, and the Heavens I never fathered a child.

[MCheetah]

@Moose304
Sounds like to me that you want good men to sacrifice their own happiness and self-worth for loser women and single moms in their 40s who made all the wrong choices in life and wasted their 20s with Chad and Tyrone, as if it's our "duty as men" to clean up their lives for them. Or am I misinterpreting you, here?

[Moose304]

100% misinterpreting me. For example, I did not say anything about the backstory of that son going to prison. His mother had every chance in the world back in the early 90s when that boy was born. After she discovered she was pregnant her then-husband was willing to raise the baby. He really loved her. She kept on chasing after the real father and even chased after him to Miami. Then about 10 years later her now-ex remarried. He is living a great life in Ohio now. Then this mother came after him. The boy's biological father beat her up several times. Then back in 2021, her son attacked a girl. My primary point is Chad and Tyrone don't make good fathers and their children have a higher than normal chance to be in prison by their 25th birthday and their daughters generally have babies by the time they are 17. Getting the average <30 female to understand how dangerous Chad and Tyrone are is virtually impossible. Yet, this is all they want to chase after, the rest of the male population is invisible to them.

[MCheetah]

@Moose304
Gotcha. I agree, and sorry for the error.

[Tracker1958]

Strong independent women are only strong and independent because the government protects them. The government taxpayers pay for everything a woman does. The taxpayers have to subsidies everything that involves women.

[Tracker1958]

@Moose304 I'm 64 also, I've been married for 45 years but I got my wife when she was 17 and still in high school. She was not pregnant before we were married.

[pupluv45]

quite funny how men on here claim they don't want a high earning woman. but yet cannot afford to adequately support a housewife and 3 kids. then they complain about losing half their assets to their wives who contributed nothing to the family's assets.

Maybe marrying a poor woman is the root of all your problems.

[Fuentes]

@pupluv45 lol I am always the bread winner and it will remain that way, while you remain single with a time clock.

[MCheetah]

@pupluv45
Once again, you're another woman who completely missed the point here.
So I'll say it again, SLOWLY:
Unlike how women think, men do not value the worth of a partner based on their wealth.
Men do not CARE how much a woman makes, because women rarely ever share their wealth with any man. And women STILL expect men to "provide for them," no matter how much they make.
If they didn't, then men would actively seek out high-earning women.
Men do not oppose women who have their own jobs; they just do not see that as a reason for being with them. Your money does not make you a "high value woman." And women who think it does, are usually low value women THAT MEN DO NOT WANT.

TL;DR: Your career or salary does not make you attractive to men; your personality and looks do. If your personality is sh*t, your income won't make up for it, unlike how women see sh*tty rich men.

[pupluv45]

@MCheetah

You don't care about how much a woman makes which explains why you're the one crying about the ex wife who took half your hard earned assets when she had contributed nothing to the family's assets. And funniest thing yet: you can't even afford to have a stay home wife and 3 kids.

maybe if you had better dating preferences , you wouldn't be stuck in a shitty situation.

Entitled broke men on here to only want stay home wives but yet can't afford them. These are the very same guys who complain about losing their assets upon divorce to a woman who has never worked a job ever in her life.

maybe you deserve all of that.

[pupluv45]

@Fuentes

I'm pretty sure you can't even afford to support 1 child which explains why you're so hateful and bitter towards women on here.

Single women can have kids on their own, single men can't. I can have kids now. You're gonna have to wait till the day you die and never have kids.

[Fuentes]

@pupluv45 lolololool I have a child go slap yourself hahaha you had to make another acc to try and talk to me cause you know I would make you look stupid on your own. That's right be a coward hahaha

[Moose304]

It is so easy to do some internet capping on this subject. 2022 was a bit of a down year for me because I have slowed down a lot with my business. Still, I know I will clear 7 figures for this tax year. I make enough money that if I choose I could have most any lady regardless of her income. I am not drawn to bimbos. I much rather spend my time with a female that can challenge me on almost anything. I prefer to be around ladies with post-graduate degrees. These women do not and never will intimidate me. This is not because I am a great person. It comes from being secure in who I am and my manhood. I don't need to beat down a female to feel superior. I also have no use for a man that does. It's not money that makes a female high value. It is also not a large rack or a big round butt. What makes a lady of high value to me is one that knows who she is. I know a lady in her late 40s that has a really large nasty scar on her face. She does her best to cover it up when going to formal events. When she is with me I don't see that scar. What I see is a lady that stays 100% feminine in all situations and doesn't put up with a lot of horseshit out of men or other women. This is the type of female I enjoy being around. The rest are simply a waste of my time.

[Fuentes]

@pupluv45 lol that sucks you need help and suffer with delusional thoughts & to afraid to use your real acc, anyone can see hie scared you're & you're not convincing anyone any different hahaha.

[Fuentes]

How**

[Tracker1958]

@Gloree. Did you ever noticed that these so called girl boss were only bosses of corporations that a man started. Why don't women start and run their own corporations instead of letting men do all the hard work. Them women come in and say, you have to let me take over or she run tell uncle Sam. Women make me sick.

[MCheetah]

@pupluv45
Alright you can fuck off now. I'm not going to waste my time re-explaining things to a fucking idiot and having them make up shit that never happened.
Good-bye.

[MCheetah]

@Moose304
They're a troll. They've been blocked.

[Fuentes]

@mcheetah they made a whole other account. juat to comment and self project their own delusions here it's Hella funny how sick people are on GaG lol

[Fuentes]

Just**

[Gloree]

@Tracker1958 not All women

[purplepoppy]

I don't like those women either. In life you have to try and get on with people, men a women, and these people are just plain annoying. They're not "strong" they're just bitchy whinging Karens. It's also bad English, the correct word is stubborn.
No one is independent, we need each other in life.

[MCheetah]

I'm stealing that pic.

[backdoorman]

You are correct, Ms. Poppy. That pic is hilarious.

[BlueScorpio]

So you guys do want women to financially depend on you again... then can we get these guys to stop calling such women golddiggers when they say they want or need the man to make enough and be financially stable/secure? If he's not or can't support her and the children, he has no right to be upset at a woman who doesn't want to run the risk of living in poverty with kids especially in today's economy. No one wants to live in poverty or financially struggle, so as man why would you want to see your family go through something like that knowing if you can't afford to?

Society and men already look down on women for having children while broke/poor. It doesn't help that we already have men bailing on their children, refuse to help raise them, and leave the woman to do it all. This was even when women where mainly housewives. This is part of the reason why women wanted the opportunity to start working, in case the husband died, walked out, became abusive mentally, Physically, emotionally and financially. All you have to do is look on youtube and you will find countless of stories of women who solely relied on their husband financially who got up and left the wife behind with nothing to her name. Men complain about divorce, but the same is happening to women when the husband decides he's done with the marriage/family life.

Men just need to be honest, you don't like the independent woman cause it does intimidate you. it makes you feel unneeded as a man. I get it. Men lije feeling needed and woman having to depend on you fulfilled that need and role.

In a perfect world, I wouldn't mind being a housewife if I could but at sametime I don't want to run the risk of financial insecurity should something happen to my husband. He already has seizures so I need to work myself so I always have money coming in. The only reason I'm not working now is cause I'm on maternity leave but eventually I will need to go back to work so I can have enough income for my daughter.

[MCheetah]

You didn't read the post, did you? You went from one extreme to the other. And are probably offended because you're the very woman I spoke out against here.

Here's the TL;DR version, just for you:
Either be the "girl-boss" and silently be single and alone without bringing up "men being intimidated by you" being selfish and miserable as a selfish career woman. OR, be a woman men might actually want to be with and don't try to out-man the man in your relationship with all the "look at all the money I make (but don't share with my man or family)" BS.

[Tracker1958]

We will explain to the slow group. When we say we want a wom

A good woman will be content shopping at Walmart, a gold digger will want to shop in Hollywood. Do the slow women understand it now. It not that she has to shop at Walmart but she would be okay shopping at Walmart. If Walmart is beneath you, then we don't want you.

[BlueScorpio]

@Tracker1958 why are you assuming u don't shop at Walmart? Lol I shop at Walmart all the time and it was my first job you silly man.. now calm yourself. Plus who doesn't shop at Walmart these days? It's one of the most popular go to grocery stores ever, that's why loads of other businesses can't keep up with Walmart.

[Tracker1958]

My point went over your head. But let me ask you something. When A man works, his pay check goes into the bank to support all the household bills. When A woman works, she want to keep her money to herself. Then when you get bored with him, you take half if not more of his income. It's a million times better to keep women in the dating stage only. Never ever marry any woman.

[BlueScorpio]

@Tracker1958 Most working women these days are splitting the bill with their husband , boyfriend, roommate if they aren't living alone. My husband and I split the rent and I pay my own car note. Okay so just stay single and dint get married, you just solved the problem if you think that's what's going to happen with your relationship. Just make sure you're upfront and honest about never getting married and please don't make any woman a single mother otherwise your just going to get yourself caught up in child support and being a single father.

[Tracker1958]

Men should get a vasectomy and never tell anyone. It's the best way to catch a woman cheating on you, tell her after she comes tell you she pregnant. The look on her face is priceless.

[Tracker1958]

Does he know your ex boyfriend is the real father to your kids?

[MCheetah]

@BlueScorpio
If you have no issues with a man not being rich and supporting a selfish entitled woman, then what exactly is your problem here? When you say "you don't like the independent woman cause it does intimidate you," it makes you sound like you've got a Sahara level of sand in your pussy. So what exactly are you disagreeing with, then?

[Tracker1958]

You are so right, and working women cheat a lot more than SAHM. Stop getting married to anyone.

[U4ea0]

Women file for 80% of divorces and the top reasons are for unhappy, love him but not in love with him, doesn't do enough chores around the house, incompatibility. Those 4 reasons account for nearly 70% of the divorces women file. Exactly who is abandoning whom?

[Tracker1958]

@U4ea0 you can't explain thing to a rock. lol

[ElizaPam]

Lol you hit a nerve with this one

[Avicenna]

That was speaking some serious truth. Along with single moms, these women are heavily represented among the ranks of single women because they‘re bad at compromising or trying to work through problems in a relationship. .

[Miristheiss]

The feminist movement kind of started so that women could have the choice to decide. No one every "stopped" them before, that is just their myth, but to be honest feminism isn't about just "choosing", it is pretty strongly stressed within the feminism realms that there is only ONE correct choice. That is... all women MUST prioritize their career above all other things. Career is their most important priority in life. Therefore most women put of marriage later and later, they stay in school longer and longer and all of their life decisions are based on their career, advancing in their career, being successful in their career, ending relationships for their career, if they have a guy they think they may want to marry but... oh wait, my career will go further if I move away... they break up and follow the career. They have kids later and later in life.

Who knows if it is accurate but there are many articles stating women or more unhappy now then they have ever been in history. The divorce rate is higher and women initiate around 70% of the divorces. It is said women always want to date/marry a guy equal to or more successful financially so as they earn more their hypergamy keeps raising and raising with their own salary therefore fewer men qualify to meet their wants.

I guess time will tell as more and more women pursue career above all else and wait longer and longer to marry as their standards go up and up and there are fewer and fewer men who meet their new raising standards as they get older and older. Are the vast majorities of women coming into their 40's, 50's and 60's with big careers glad that they made their career their priority above all other factors?

Maybe they will be. I guess we just have to wait and see.

Regarding the notion "MEN ARE INTIMIDATED BY INDEPENDENT CAREER WOMEN". The error in their philosophy is that they view "attraction" through their own prism. They are using what THEY find attractive about men... their career, their income, their prestige and power and prominence in their fields and then they turn the tables and think we are attracted to the same thing that attracts them.

Women's career's don't attract me. Their salary doesn't attract me. Their degrees don't attract me. More power to them if they achieve these things... BUT that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with attracting a man.

[MCheetah]

This would be MHO worthy if it was said earlier.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

I have a bit of a different theory on this subject:

In Stephen Covey's "7 Habits of Highly Effective People", he distinguishes between the paradigms of dependence, independence, and interdependence, and how these must be ascended in a linear way, ie: you can't really "skip" a step. And although Covey focuses this delineation at the level of the individual, I think it could be reasonably applied to the collective psyche of a culture, a group of people, or even entire civilisations.

If you look at the timeline of women in the workplace, it was really only around the mid-20th century that women entered the workforce in anything resembling an equal capacity compared to the male workforce. In Western culture, therefore, men have a significant hereditary headstart on the whole "financial independence" thing. For many generations (perhaps going back as far as the early post-agrarian civilisations, but I'm no historian) there's been a well-defined precedent for how men are to conduct themselves as full-time workers in the context of "being the provider". Arguably that system worked pretty well for stable nuclear families, as women had time for child-rearing, homesteading, and other pursuits made possible by their husband's income, and it gave men a feeling that they were "successful providers", an evolutionary drive that we can't simply be lectured out of experiencing. The downside of that system was that, well, women could only really have as much independence as their breadwinning husbands "allowed" them to have -- which may not be so terrible in healthy stable families, but in households with abusive or toxic husbands, that dependence on the man could essentially lock women into toxic situations which modernday women now have the "luxury" of escaping from.

So, pros and cons on both sides, but whether this was a "good" way of doing things or not, the pertinent takeaway is that, for better or worse, women have only had a relative generational "taster" of the independence paradigm (at least as it pertains to the workplace). Whereas men across generations already had a deeply-entrenched understanding of their responsibilities and duties to function independently as "sole providers".

So the independence paradigm doesn't have quite the same lustre in the male psyche, because we consider it as more like a "bare minimum" for being a "real man" in society. Case in point, just look at how society regards unemployed women versus unemployed men. A man without a job is just "a no-good freeloading bum", a woman without a job is just "following her bliss" or whatever. Now, it's debatable how many men have actually progressed beyond the independence paradigm towards interdependence. (For definitions I'd refer you to the 7 Habits book, as paraphrasing wouldn't do his ideas justice.) But men at least have a generational pressure to not fall into dependence. Whereas women are only recently discovering independence as an economic aim, and they arguably lack the same societal pressure to avoid financial dependence (although reality may yet force their hand, as it were, in the case of single mothers and whatnot).

After all, a working woman could, at any moment, "decide" to "let" her boyfriend or husband be the sole provider, and he'd probably be happy to do it if it meant a blowjob and home cooked meal awaited him every night after a long day at work. The cultural incentives are just different for men than for women. Women today are more likely to view participation in the workforce as a "victory for women's liberation" (somewhat ironic considering how many jobs are essentially "wage slavery" by corporate employers who suppress wages while cost of living continues to rise); whereas men view participation in the workforce as just the bare minimum of being a man. The thought of NOT entering the workforce scarcely occurs to men, and ACTUALLY not entering the workforce would result in a man being viewed as a contemptible pest by society, and a complete non-option in the dating pool.

Now, as to the arrogant mindset of the feminazi types: I think the factors discussed above is probably having a compound effect in women who ALREADY have an opportunistic or narcissistic mindset. Such women would've essentially been "kept in check" pre-20th-century by the economic necessity of relying on a man for their livelihood. But now they have zero moorings to modulate those base tendencies towards narcissism, so naturally they'll be drawn to ideology like 4th wave feminism which encourages women to screw over men put the wants of the self over the needs of others. It's an immature realisation of the independence paradigm designed by a generation of narcissistic women who have no generational pressure to comprehend what "mature" independence -- let alone interdependence -- should even LOOK like. Its an over-simplistic, self-gratifying answer to the much more complex question of "how ought men and women coexist when they're both occupying the workforce?". It's a one-dimensional power fantasy that places women as self-appointed rulers, and men as subservient doormats.

Of course, that fantasy falls apart upon even the most cursory interrogation, as evidenced by the fact that even the hardcore feminazis don't get their pussies wet in the presence of men who act like subservient doormats. Its a contradiction between what the ideology has TOLD these women they're "supposed" to want, versus what they actually respond to at an instinctive level. Some of them resolve this contradiction by swearing off men altogether, or by "settling" for what OP refers to as "soyboys"; maintaining the feminazi fantasy by picking a man so weak he could never risk "upstaging" the woman. Of course neither of these solutions work, because most women are neither asexual, nor are most women attracted to weak, ineffectual men.

I do think that over the next few generations a lot of the feminazi ideology will fall by the wayside, seeing even today how unsustainable it is. Natural selection cuts both ways, and so the question becomes "how many unhappy single feminazis does it take for working women to grow the fuck up?". They're already starting to price themselves out the dating market, so as long as men don't lose their backbones and continue to avoid the militant man-hating feminazi types, then natural selection will hit a point of critical mass, as the more mature, well-adjusted, interdependence-minded women will be more likely to procreate than the one-dimensional "men=bad" feminists.

[MCheetah]

I think this was well written and could've been a MyTake on its own (although admittedly, I didn't read it all.) But the TL;DR of this is, women need to learn a lesson about trying to out-male men, and hopefully, the daughters and granddaughters of the next generation will re-embrace femininity after seeing the loser feminists of the 2010s and 2020s grow old and alone. Is that close?

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Something like that 😁

Although I hope we agree we're talking about a substrata of the female population and not ALL women as a collective. I suspect this entitled attitude emerges more in women who land cushy office bullshit jobs of little consequence. I've worked with some truly formidable (but still unabashedly feminine) women in the hospitality sector, especially in back of house roles like kitchen staff, where they can't rely on their looks to get good tips. Any work environment in which men and women are judged on performance alone ("you're only as good as your last service" being the preeminent chef's motto) seems to have a way of nipping any entitled attitudes in the bud. The "strong independent wahmen" type feminists wouldn't last a day in an environment that requires ACTUAL hard work.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

And while we're on the subject, my nan and my mum are two of the strongest women I know, but it was a quiet moral strength, my mum had the strength to care for my nan when she was dying of cancer, and my nan was fiercely protective of her family and had a keen wit. These militant femininazi types have no concept of what a "strong woman" actually is, they just adopt the term like its a cheap catchphrase on a Primark t-shirt. To me a strong woman is a woman who does what needs to be done for her family and close friends, even when it's hardest. That inner strength is something that doesn't need any announcement, meanwhile these embittered crybaby feminists can't see how parading their "strength" is actually revealing their weakness. But then most of them are college age more or less, so I doubt life has given them enough hard knocks to foster real strength. They're just leaves in the wind, we all are at that age really. But an angry feminazi in her 30s or 40s is just a sad sight, like a homeless person who keeps shooting up heroin rather than checking into a hostel every night.

[MCheetah]

Yeah, I fully agree with you. I once engaged to a woman who was a full time banker, and also went to nursing school at night, and worked hard every day, and never once complained or loss her femininity. An actual hard working, kind, feminine woman is a HUGE turn on to me (and also shows strong signs of being a fantastic mother someday).

But the "strong independent" types, as we both agree, are usually neither strong, nor independent, and use the phrase as fake confidence-building. Thy just work cushy office jobs and define their "inner strength" by their paychecks. Which, to be fair, is also pathetic on men, as well. Guys who think they're successful because they have money, but can't change their own tires or fix their own broken household appliances. It's all weakness pretending to be strength, to me.

And I've seen more women like this in their 30s and early 40s, than in their 20s.

[RavVid]

Mostly agree with you. Women undoubtedly find high status/high income/intelligence attractive attributes in a man and it is natural they should transpose and suppose those same attributes in a woman should be attractive to men.

But the reality is we don't give a damn. I'd don't know how many times men have said here 'I don't care how much you earn' but it is bound to have been an awful lot of times.

There was a period when girls wanted men to think they were 'interesting'. I was never interested in girls that were 'interesting' as that translated to 'more attention seeking than the average girl'. I'd rather a girl that was interested in the world around her to a girl that invested her time into being 'interesting'.

So women, who discover that men don't give a damn about the attributes woman find attractive, have to have a reason for this lack of attractiveness they have. Of course it must be a deficiency in men.

Hence the assertion that men are intimidated by women when we simply don't give a damn what you earn.

[Blackmoonsns]

It's not that men are intimidated by strong independent women to make their own money it's just that a traditionally women have sought a man that provide them protection stability and resources to provide for her and her children if a woman is already providing all that for herself a man really doesn't have any place in her life and she will tend to look down on him. Men do not want an alpha masculine mentality in a woman they want a submissive friendly fit a woman that will get on board with his page and actually let him lead and put trust in him he's going to lead her and their children the right direction in life someone who's also supportive to him and caring and compassionate a woman that he knows will take good care of their children while he's at work working 68 hours a week to provide for them she's loyal she's loving she's caring she's patients all these things are strong and independent woman pretty much you as weakness so long and short of it is is men generally be strong independent women as well men.

[TenderFantasy]

Dad lost his job in 2010 when he was in his 60's. Mom had been the breadwinner (for the most part), ever since. So not everyone wants to be like Ward Cleaver working dad! This isn't the 50's anymore!..

[Blackmoonsns]

I'm not talking about the old I'm talking about the young.

[Subarugirl]

Dude, if the only value you bring to a relationship is monetary and you want to be in charge and just want someone who is submissive and friendly, you'd be better off staying single and getting a dog.

[Blackmoonsns]

Lmao! You have issues. What I said was on point. Ask yourself this if you make your own money, have a great job, and don't need a man, so why do you care? You would not bother answering what I said. So if you have it all why do you bother to begin with any guy? If all you want form a man is an emotional connection, and love you should have no problem being with a guy who makes 8$ and hour and be completely happy. Better yet he can be the house husband while you work to support him while having respect for him.

[Subarugirl]

I didn’t chose my husband because I need him to financially provide for me. I chose him because I wanted him, not his money. He didn’t have a job when I married him and I single handedly financially supported my family for the first few years we were married. I chose him because of who is his, not because of what he makes. I chose him because I wanted a him to be my partner, not my caregiver.

[Blackmoonsns]

Then you agree with what I said about what you wanted is a man who you connect with, and that's all. So you respect him and that's is all you need from him. However that is rare when that is all a woman wants from a man, not impossible, but rare. I don't know any men, or women who want to spend their life on the job. Even if it is your dream job there are day where everyone just wishes they could just be at home, and not deal with a boss at work

[Subarugirl]

Maybe you didn’t read that correctly. Tell me where I said anything about connection…. You can’t because I didn’t..

[Swollerbear]

I'm not intimated. I just understand that there's only so much time, willpower, and energy every day. When a woman is focused on providing, or climbing the corporate latter, other areas of the household will lack. My wife said she wanted to stay at home, and I support that. I want all of her time to go to keeping our household together. I want her to have energy for me and the kids. I want her focus to be on our household rather than her boss. I'm good at making money, but I'm not the best nurturer. Biologically, this is a pretty typical dynamic between a man and his wife.

[Swollerbear]

Ladder*

[JDavid25]

"The only reason guys are expected to make money, is to support their family."

Exactly, I just saw a comment on a video about loneliness, and I said (I paraphrase) that he makes $200,000 a year, but he realized that there is little point in making that much l, when you have noone to share it with.. The whole point of having a career is to work a job you like so that you can make more money and provide better.. Feminist make it seem as if the career is the most important thing and the relationships you make are second to that.. That's why you have so many women out here bitter, struggling, and compensating.. Nobody is truly independent.. We need each other.

[JDavid25]

I meant he said**...

[Messianic_Monk]

two words: hostile and aggressive. Most "strong independent" women are this. No one... not even other women... want to deal with this.

I saw a stat somewhere that stated that most women would rather work for a man than a woman. I can't blame those women 😅

[MCheetah]

35% prefer a male boss, and only 23% (almost all women) prefer a female boss.
news.gallup.com/.../...icans-prefer-male-boss.aspx

[Moose304]

There is not a human alive that will ever intimidate me. I have male and female friends and business associates. I don't worry about what they make. What I don't like is pushy people. Start that bullshit with me and I will separate myself from you. These days I do seem to run into more women that are pushy these days than men. I have stated this many times here and will repeat it. I have no issues with strong, high-earning girls, NONE whatsoever. In fact, I will rather be around this type of female instead of a clingy kind. Just don't become a harpy!

[Ligerzzero]

Funny women think that, absolutely nothing wrong with a woman like that, most of the guys that would be happy to date these women, fall way under these women’s standards of attractiveness, and income.

Any women like than could easily find and average looking guy that would be happy, but again women refuse to date the men that want them.

This is yet again another issue that is not the men’s fault, but rather the woman’s high standards she wants.

Don’t blame men for your own issues.

[Labokachulaa]

Wow this was very well written and thought out. I hope it answers someone's questions and stops them from continually asking it.

That explains why when women asked this question and wouldn't listen, Kevin Samuels always responded to them by saying, "well, get a dog and die alone."

We really need to get it together, those of us who are like this and think like that.

[TenderFantasy]

Lol, my brother got a puppy back in 2016 to try and attract chicks. When he finally found something that worked, he abandoned said dog and gave it to US to care for. Lol, we of course fell in love (for me it took a bit of time, but my parents INSTANTLY fell for her!). Six years on, I still love my doggy! She is LOYAL and always (or usually) has a smile on her face. Maybe if we didn't have her, I'd be in a different place. I don't know if better or worse, but it is what it is. = )

[Labokachulaa]

Yeah, animals make me super happy too. I understand what Kevin was saying, but I also see the peace in "dying alone". For me, it's not lonely. Lol I would be okay with it because I'm not putting up with someone's nonsense. You know? Lol

[TenderFantasy]

definitely. Sadly, in my 38 years here on earth I have learned that people only usually are nice to you when they want something! Like they have something to use you for/you're of some use to them somehow. It's very sad tbh. Hence the saying people come and go. I mean if it can happen to seemingly happy couples with kids, then definitely it can happen to single folks like us!

[Labokachulaa]

I agree with everything that you said 100%. I have a similar view on that. Some people think it's lonely, but I'm at peace with that. I have no desire to waste anymore of my precious energy on temporary people or situations. I feel very good about it too. I'm content to come across someone who understands and believes it too. 🖤

[Sirenboobzilla]

I've actually never understood this either. Same as women, men want to what they want and don't what they don't. It's not a difficult concept. I uave my career, kids are not on my list of priorities, and if any man looking my way doesn't like it, that's perfectly fine; I'm not gonna bash on a guy for not wanting me because of how I think and live and I expect that same courtesy in return.

[IceCreamSandwich]

Yeah I agree with this. Nobody likes those "alpha" types who constantly insist that they're all that, that they have to be in charge of everything, they're so great that everyone should want them, and if you don't then you're the problem. They are very aggressive and difficult to be around even in a friend capacity. I couldn't imagine dating one.

[Subarugirl]

That is exactly how most women feel about men which is part of a big reason why so many men can't find a girlfriend... lol

[backdoorman]

This was a really well done my take. Men are genetically programmed to be providers. It's what gives us purpose in life. It's what makes us men, and we have an unavoidable need to feel valued and appreciated for who we are, not who modern society tells us we should be. It's in our DNA to be such a person, and it is not in our DNA to be attracted to such a person. It has nothing to do with "intimidation". Thanks for writing this.

[Subarugirl]

Well, that is false, being a provider doesn't make you a man, it makes you a provider. Responsible adults provide for themselves and their households regardless of gender. Your DNA determines your sex, not whether or not you will be a provider. I provide for my family, that doesn't make me a man anymore that you washing dishes makes you a woman.

[backdoorman]

@Subarugirl I didn't say women can't provide too. But that is entirely beside the point of my comment.

Please check back in when you become a man so you can speak from experience on this issue.

[Subarugirl]

What gives you purpose doesn’t designate you sex. Prong a provider might make you feel like a man but it doesn’t make you a man you DNA does.

Providing for my family gives me purpose in life, that doesn’t make me a man. Plus there are way to provide for your family other than just financially

[backdoorman]

@Subarugirl Please check back in when you become a man so you can speak from experience on this issue.

[BoobMan]

It is odd that somehow when guys aren't showing sufficient interest in a girl it's because they're "intimidated" but you never hear that go the other way around. Like when a turbo nerd dude is striking out with the ladies, no one ever goes, "hey--they must all be intimidated by his crazy intellect!" lol!

[alice55]

Are you sure it’s not just you? Cause in Paris those kind of relationship are very popular (though it does end up in divorce 15 years after) but therés plenty of them and men in France hate traditional women they only want women who got their own money if not they call them goldigger and cheater.
‘America is si différent from France / paris

[MCheetah]

It's not just me, no. I'm not looking to date right now, anyway.

Also, no offense, but finding a masculine man in Paris (let alone anywhere in France) is like finding a quality, marriage-material woman born and raised in Los Angeles: Hypothetically possible, but highly unlikely.

[alice55]

You can apply this for nearly thé whole France and even more for thé génération under 50s
There s no masculine men anymore
Even those that act though spend 30 min curling their lashes and doing their hair. Also they lose skin Tight clothes

[TheorionMage]

This article makes MANY strong pragmatic truths evident---
IF you're not seeking to audition to form a COMMITTED
'companion FIDELITY partnership' then...
you're simply seeking to BE a 'housemate/friend-with-recurring-carnal-benefits'.

'Marriage' is a SOCIETAL contract seeking to clarify... eventual 'rights of inheritance' in the absence of a clearly-defined Last Will & Testament!

[Tracker1958]

Why don't women marry these women? Men are not interested in them. These women are not intimidating, these women are combative, there never any peace in the home. These women are not wife or mother material. Either marry a woman or stay single.

[U4ea0]

Women don't understand that their accomplishments (real or imagined), do not give them worth. The things that men value in women are the very things that feminism is trying to social engineer out of them.