Since the time I was a child I was instilled with the belief of equality for all, regardless of gender, race, beliefs or orientation.
But I don't identify with any specific group or the trendy thing of the week. The moment you identify with a group or movement, you are being dictated on what your own beliefs and Way of life should be, otherwise you're attacked and claimed to not be a true member of that group.
And many tend to hijack and turn these movements and groups into something more toxic than what they were originally intended to be.
In regards to Feminists, at one point it used to stand for something productive.
Now, whether it is right or wrong, many see feminists as men hating, blaming men for all their problems in life, wanting more power in certain areas of society beyond actual equality and justifying certain things as being payback for what men have done throughout the centuries... Even if the men today had nothing to do with those things or certain men today actually treat others with respect.
Unless a guy says he's a feminist too and acts like a second class citizen while bashing his own gender, he's an enemy.
Whether any of this is true or not is irrelevant. This is what many men see coming from Feminism. Some women also see this.
That means there's a problem and it also means that Feminism has already failed in its goals towards so called equality.
Feminism or any other group is not Equality. Equality is Equality. If something isn't right then you speak out and try and make change for the better. You don't join a group that only focuses on the problems of one group of people in society, as if their problems are more important than anyone else's. They're not... They're all important.
It shows a level of selfishness towards only focusing on the problems that affect them.
So when it comes to dating someone who identifies as a Feminist, I wouldn't want anything to do with them. Not because I'm sexist or because I have an issue with women obtaining equality, but because I don't want to be treated like some scum bag man who's the bad guy in society and that I somehow owe her something for all the injustices women faced by other men over the centuries.
The disabled, minorities, etc. are all less important and the problems men face are deserved or not as important than what women are entitled to.
How is any of that equality?
If Feminism is about equality for both Men and Women, then why in this PC world we live in, is it called FEMinism?
All I can invision in regards to dating a feminist is having most conversations revolving around the injustices towards women, her problems, what is owed to her, how men are pigs and how men are scum whom most just want to rape and dominate them... And if I don't blindly nod in agreement or if I decide to have a civil debate or discussion about anything, I then become the enemy.
Why the hell would any typical guy want to put up with that sh*t? It would get old real fast.
If she supported equality for everyone and spoke out over things she felt was wrong towards not just women, but other groups, even if I disagreed in some areas, I could still respect her view.
But Feminism itself has turned into a toxic war banner to wave around and go after all men. Except submissive men who don't question anything. Those men have already been controlled and not a threat anymore. Feminism dropped all pretences towards equality and is now used as a means of role reversal so some women can act like how men used to back in the 50s.
This in turn has put some men on the defensive and made them decide to rile up others to be macho, Alpha males to counteract the Alpha females.
Feminism is only making things worse, not better.
Just focus on equality for all, folks. Case by case, regardless of what group needs the help. Stop finger pointing and blaming and just find solutions.
I had a talk with one 2 days ago.
She reduced human history to " men are tyrannts and women are eternal victims".
She described the western world as a patriarchal system.
They are completely dismissive of issues that affect men, calling it "fragile masculinity" while describing catcalling as sexual harassment. I've also heard a feminist say that biological sex is not real and that gender roles were made up by men to oppress women.
Not only is this objectively wrong, this is offensively stupid and proves that feminism is on the same level as religious zealously.
Because a lot of them literally hate men and they promote homosexuality in this country. There are some things I can agree with as woman and there are other things I would rather live alone. The biblical standards that they try to enforce I agree on. Especially with the no flap campagne and being anti porn. 50/50 in regards to rape and sexual harassment. I do not agree on everything. But everything else that they have going on is just flat out garbage, and that is something that every person what are they male or female young and old would not want to be around because it's toxic. Promoting everything female and all that nonsense is just flat-out evil and is propaganda.
A lot of men don't trust women who identify as feminist. The possibility of being too ideologically driven, dogmatic, and pointlessly combative is quite high.
Investing in a relationship is risky. You're always after finding the least risky option.
Well.. they don't want to be with someone who hates them, or nitpick everything based on sexes.
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u Men don't date feminists because we don't want to get bitched out 24/7.
I don't think all or maybe even most feminists are actually man-haters or anything, but in general feminists tend to be combative in relationships, when they're obsessive about it at least. It's more their ideas I disagree with.
For example the main thing they fight against is patriarchy right? Male influence. So often feminists tend to do what they can to fight that, including doing the opposite of what a guy asks even if he asks nicely.
When my girlfriend goes out, she won't wear overly revealing clothing. I don't expect her to be covered up too much, but a really short dress with her tits half hanging out? I'm not comfortable with that. She just takes notice and wears something else.
A feminist would say that its up to her, that the guy is wrong to try to mention anything about that, ans that she can do what she wants. And she'll say that in an argumentative way.
A normal girl will understand why that might be a problem for the guy. A feminist often will only be thinking "this guy can never tell me what to do, I can't let him".
Thats just one example, before people start saying "but im a feminist and I wouldn't dress like that". Its mainly just the mentality of "I'll do whatever I want and will fight against anything you expect of me" kind of thing. Its normal to compromise in a relationship, with feminists there's often no compromise.
The relationship is more like a competition or a power struggle.
Whats more is that they get offended by everything. Thats probably what leads to the combative mindset.
It all comes down to behavior, which may be rooted in ideology, but my experience with self proclaimed feminists is that they tend to anger. And they speak selfishly about relationships. How much they *won't* do and how much a man must cater to them or they will withhold sex. But they fail to realize that men actually think about other things and threatening the withholding of sex makes a person like me in fact then, less interested in sex. The bottom line is where there is an anger, intolerance and sometimes outright hatred for men, than men won't typically subject themselves to if they can avoid it.
How can you be with a person who hates your immutable characteristics, even if they honor you by suspending that hatred for you, probably only temporarily?
There has been much debate about what feminism actually is. There is a group who call themselves 'classical feminists'. These are typically fairly normal women who agree with the original ideology of equal pay for equal work, that women typically can do the same tasks men can do for the most part in most types of jobs or hobbies and that woman can do "man things" like enjoy beer, football and cars just as much as men. These aren't the "feminists" I am talking about. I think most people agree with those types of ideas. The modern feminists who bark about hierarchy and patriarchy being inherently evil and the most evil thing, because men are inherently evil, misogynistic and some sort of '*-ist'. I'd rather die in a gutter alone, than be in a relationship with a woman like that.
I'd just ask the women one favor. If your a feminist, let a guy know before he's tempted to ask you out. You'll be sparing men a lot of misery. And if the guy is still stupid enough to still date you, congratulations! You found *your* doormat on which you can wipe your feet for life, or until he kills himself.
She might not be a feminazi but they don’t see it is worth the risk to find out. Unless she doesn’t live in the US or most of Europe, she follows a movement that has lost all legitimacy since the 60s. Since then they have been throwing out things like the wage gap and the pink tax which has been debunked countless times by countless people since feminists started complaining about it in the 70s. This is all just because feminists don’t bother to look at why they are the way they are and instead take the lazy way out and cry sexism. Since they are realizing that they are losing, they are now complaining about manspreading, how unrealistic a comic book herione’s tits are and trivial bs like that. They even broadened the words “sexual harassment” and “rape” to the point where nobody know what counts as either anymore. It is so bad that surveys show that more men are afraid to interact with women in the workplace because they don’t know what will set them off and that 25% of millennial men think that asking a girl out for a drink is sexual harassment. They also don’t believe in the presumption of innocence and due process for those accused of sexual harassment and rape. They have even made the Duluth model which completely rules out men being victims of domestic violence and other messed up stuff.
Feminism is no longer about being equal to men it that “some animals are more equal than others”.
I don’t care if she says that feminism is about equality, actions speak louder than words. If she actually believes in equality then she needs to drop the label as it is toxic now. Once she does, I guarantee you she will be a lot more attractive.
They tend to be angry and bitter with their "men are pigs" mindset. Most men with any self-respect would steer clear of someone who openly identifies as a feminist, and with good reason. Likewise, most women would avoid men who identify as "meninists" as most said men are not any different. A woman saying "I'm a feminist" on a first date is comparable to a man calling his date "m'lady." Plus, almost all feminists are radical leftists, which is the main turn-off for quite many guys including myself.
Because they're not feminists, they're communists and communists follow a sick murderous ideology. Did you ever wonder why so called feminists have so much seething hate inside them? Isn't that an awful lot of hate for just being someone who just wants the best for women? These women have gotten themselves into something that they don't understand and would not have gotten involved with if they knew what they were dealing with. A vile hate filled ideology based on jealous rage at anyone who has something you don't whether it be looks, or money or ability or competence.
Because the feminist card is waved in your face every two seconds. I've been through it 3 times already. Never again. They say they won't do it but eventually it gets to the point you can't have your own opinion or disagree with them without being called a sexist or them making everything about gender. They also use the feminist card to get their way about EVERYTHING. If they want Pizza and you push for tacos they will say you're a man forcing a woman to eat what the man wants. Yes, I've been through petty shit like that.
Only weak men can really survive relationships with feminist. Any man with his own ideas and opinions will be combating a feminist at every turn.
Because feminists are stupid and should stay single
Have you ever been around feminist, thats all they talk about, everything is sexist to them, they can't go for 5 min without complaining about something or complaining about men, most guys dont want to be around that a lot of guys are tired getting talked down to
I mean... Is she gonna pay for the date? Or her half of the check at least? Yeah, I'll give it a shot if you actually live up to an egalitarian point of view, and don't go off spouting about how misogynistic the west is one minute, and leave me with the check or complaining about how chivalry is dead the next.
She'd have to be thick skinned, or there wouldn't be many dates, with my sense of humor, but I think we could have some interesting conversations.
I think it really depends on how she defines "Feminist".
I REALLY, HONESTLY, love assertive, strong-willed women that don't take shit from men!! I have always respected women, and assume that we are at least equals!
I don't understand each woman's definition of 'feminist'.
Seems that many women understand that term differently, and some see it as empowering, and rightfully so, but others, maybe see it other ways.
I mean why in the hell would any guy want to date someone that hates men, constantly bitches about the patriarchy or some other such nonsense and is constantly evaluating every little thing you do to look for some patriarchal domination or whatever bullshit of the day they have made up. While not all women who are feminists do that, enough of them do it that guys would rather just avoid them in general.
I believe in equality , I believe that everyone should have equal opportunities.
(Equal Opportunity not Equal Outcome) But I don't believe running around screaming about the other gender and being an eternal victim helps anyone in any way.
If she made a point of that on the first date, after that sentence I’d just be like well good luck with that and walk out on her and go do something else for the night. It’s like professing that you’re a Nazi.
Experienced a womaan whwo was everything feminist. She was a pain. However I noticed when it came time to pay she was no longer equal. lol
Others had opinions but was always talking about it and trying to force it down my throat. We had a good time. She thank me for opening the door, treating her well and as a lady should.
Fair or not, they're worried about misandry from third wave feminists and things like false accusations of rape and sexual assault.
Because the very vocal feminists online give it a very bad impression, and unfortunately that is now the face of feminism. If you are just the dictionary definition of feminism, try telling them that you aren't one of the crazy internet feminists or just say you are an egalitarian. You could even just not bring it up because 99% of people in the first world believe in equality under the law.
Men don't want to date feminazis, because they are ugly, fat and old. Unlike them, feminists usually have boyfriends.
Simple. Feminism is a mental disorder and women who adhere to it are deranged.
If you don't believe me, tell your "friend" that the wage gap isn't real and rape culture doesn't exist. (Because they both are fabricated delusions easily provable)
You will quickly see how mentally insane feminism actually is.
Lot feminists these day one big anti hating men. All because they decided to date idiot men l
I call myself a feminist, but anyone who knows me knows that I’m definitely not an extremist. I just want equality for everyone. I’d advise your friend to just not mention feminism in the first few dates because being a feminist or not really doesn’t influence the relationship unless you’re dealing with an extremist of either side.
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