Guys, what does a hopeless romantic male do to find love in a society that doesn't like or appreciate guys like that anymore?

[MCheetah]

IF YOU'RE A MODERN MAN LESS THAN AN 8 OUT OF 10 AND WANT THE LOVE OF A GOOD WOMAN, WHAT DO YOU DO? GIVE UP OR KEEP SEARCHING?

I ask this question seeking a genuine answer. Smart men out there know that dating for men nowadays is harder than ever. Women in general are becoming more and more picky, entitled, and demanding, while giving back less and less towards the man. (And if you don't think that, you're either over the age of 50 and still think it's the past, or you're of the 5% of most desirable men.) Society has always been gynocentric, meaning they favor women over men (because women are he birth-givers, thus objectively more valuable for human survival), but nowadays, it's actually anti-male, especially when being pushed by the political left.

I've always been a hopeless romantic. I once almost got married 8.5 years ago. However, I've also always been less than attractive in the eyes of women. I'm not remotely tall whatsoever, I'm not handsome looking (I've been told I'm a "6"), I'm not fit or buff, and I spent most of my life poor until recently. However, I think I have a great personality, no matter what ANYONE thinks and I don't need to justify that to any doubters. However, it's never been good enough. Looks and income really matters to women thus, I've been alone much more in my life than with someone. I see the world for what it is and how awful many (but not all) women are.

I'm stuck between wanting the fantasy of romance, love, female companionship, etc, and taking the red pill and seeing the world for what it is. Humans suck in general, but since I'm not attracted to men, I'd only focus more on the female side who suck, here. There ARE good women out there, but realistically, what are the chances you'll find one, let alone them being interested in you? I'm not actively trying to date anymore, but I haven't fully committed to just going MGTOW either. Which option is better? The hope of a good woman, or taking the more cynical but pragmatic approach?

[William7489]

This is not a very popular opinion, but eventually you withdraw. After marriage and countless relationships that ended poorly, at least three in which I was cheated on, and wait for the girl to come back later, I am very very bitter about the way “nice guys“ are viewed and treated in dating today. I know that women say things like, money may not matter, where are all the nice guys, etc? But deep down, I’ve seen it 1 million times almost. Nice guys eventually get taken for granted and viewed as mundane and the relationship has boring or routine. The female decides she can do better and deserves a “more“.
so, high percentage of the time the girl will move on believing she can find someone better, sexier, Richard, Sunny here, etc. and when they discover that that’s not possible only then do it they realize that they’re just looking for something that doesn’t exist. So that’s why this nice guy, he’s very very careful about who he dates.

[Yourfriend2021]

You might as well forget about it, you can already see how tough it is.

[TheorionMage]

BEEN THERE, ... WAS that.

First step is to accept and realize the 'Pollyanna' fairytale. YOU'RE RARELY the first 'romance' SHE'S encountered.
With each disappointment you BOTH grow progressively MORE wary and cynical. Challenging the next companion, to prove YOUR life experiences 'wrong'.

ALL 'romance' EVENTUALLY boils down to a 'quid pro quo' negotiation of who's willing to leverage what YOU will 'sell your soul' for and what THEY need & expect in return, and NOT just intermittently. Traditionally the vows read: "... in sickness (mental & physical) and in health; ... for better (hot sex) or worse (barely speaking to one another). That 'undercover angel' from the club last night's 'feathers' are majorly rumpled and tatty in the morning's light.

You REALLY thought she wakes UP looking like THAT?

[raw_is_war99]

He does nothing, I am not selling my soul to pursue girls who do drugs and parties, I mean unless a girl changes her ways but girls don't seem serious nowadays so I am tired of pursuing, it's pointless.

[Snakeyes7]

I'd say date internationally. Not every country has a culture this self absorbed and you might have better luck in those areas.

[MCheetah]

I'm in Korea and Korean women aren't really any better. You're just swapping out pros and cons. They're generally more traditional, attractive, and feminine, but also commonly gold diggers and boring AF to talk to.

[Snakeyes7]

I find I have a lot more luck with Filipinas. They are generally a lot more religious and principled as far as I have noticed. I think South Korea among many other countries drank the feminist kool aid.

[DaveToo]

I'm more than twice your age. When you get the answer, get back to me, please.

[Likes2drive]

Interesting video , there really are plenty of women out there, and some guy is still dating them so why can’t it be you? I think confidence is a big factor in this

[Caunsos]

If your a 6 that go after 5-7s maybe an 8 if you have some good game.

[t-8900]

thats BS. I went on Match and even the super obese chicks didn't message me back. I mean waaaaaay bigger than me. I tried an experiment with my friends. I was 6'3, check. I was kind, check. I didn't make six figures, ghosted. Like wtf brah. Not that I would have dated her anyways but to be flat out rejected, ouch!

[MCheetah]

@Caunsos
I go after whoever I have common interests in regardless of their looks. Even 2s and 3s think they deserve 9 and 10s men. I've seen it in real life. A colleague of mine was 22 year old, 5'6", 350-400 pound-ish Mexican woman with small boobs and even she felt entitled to men who should've been WAY out of her league. She was boring and vapid too, so personality wasn't even there. Hypergamy is real.

[t-8900]

yes hypergamy is one thing but this is straight delusions my friend.

[Caunsos]

Maybe you guys have no game

[MCheetah]

@Caunsos
Maybe the game you're playing is stupid? Also, I know how to talk to women. I'm just not willing to do that BS, because then it's not really "me" talking to them anymore, is it? It's the player.

[Caunsos]

Oh i see the problem now. You infact don't know how to talk to women and you are in bad eoch charmbers. If you have negative expectations of women you only have negative experiences with women. Stop viewing anything that generalizes women to be one thing or another. Love isn't us vs them it about coming together. Beside the manosphere is nothing but a sausage fest.

[t-8900]

dude dont even start with the "have no game" nonsense. If a woman is a landwhale that's bigger than myself and she thinks she has the options for the 6'+ man with a bachelor's degree or higher she is sadly mistaken. Go on some dating websites, it's a truly sobering experience.

[William7489]

I’m sorry I agree with everybody else here, I don’t know what “game“ you’re talking about. If you’re talking about a pick up artist or a hustler or something like that who wants to troll bars, maybe that’s where “game“ matters. but for the men here that are looking for something meaningful, we’ve been run through the ringer. There’s something very real going on in our society now, like a lot of these other people I don’t have anything on my résumé that would be a red flag. In fact it’s the opposite. But and this is something I can understand, the expectation of women these days, or at least a lot of them has just gotten out of hand. For real. Game or no game. Like the gentleman said above, try playing the game on a dating website or something. You want to talk about something that’ll bring your ego down to earth, give it a roll. Trust me

[t-8900]

@William7489 that's the thing. Like Dear Lord there are lines way past crossed with this women. Things that NO player man has ever seen or done. Things that would never have crossed our minds. These girls are so self absorbed, so burnt out, there's nothing left but the shell. No heart, no soul, nothing. they love themselves and only themselves. They love looking at themselves in mirrors, in social media, in cameras and phones. Like wtf y'all the birthrates and marriage rates show you everything you need to know. Democracy has failed us. Hedonism rules the world now just like the Bible said! Literally just like the end times and I'm not joking about this. There was a time when it was only select groups of people doing these things but it's everyone now. You come home from work one day and your daughter is a hoe with a webcam and when she turns 21 she's at the night clubs and leaving with men having orgies with them.

Go look into it, it's extremely common now and it's disgusting. And they wonder why we aren't wedding them up? Dude CMON NOW! That's not even close to fair to ask a guy to do today. Most guys aren't sleeping around like that and never have! these chicks getting flown out to dubai to have sex with minors and shit and even with animals and coming back with 300K? It's not just a few, IG is full of em! And every girl wants to be a shine girl now for fame and money. None of them want kids, none of them want entanglements. Its just fun and games to these girls today. Everyday is a holiday and no worries for tomorrow. And at the same time a lot of good men are suffering because they are ignored, unloved, never acknowledged, and bust their asses every single day, sometimes 7 days a week! And all for what? Complete disrespect? Yeah we're pretty sick of this shit. We wanted the nice dating experience, the weddings, the kids, the love, but low and behold it was all a lie!

[William7489]

I cannot disagree with you on a lot of that, I see things today that are considered normal that even back when I was in law school in the mid to late 90s you would never thing to say. I don’t know the answer I really don’t, I guess we just try to keep the faith and be true to ourselves.

[t-8900]

@William7489 it hasn't been this hard to be a Christian since they were feeding us to lions man. Damn it hurts so bad. My heart has no love man and it's slowly killing me. I probably won't make 60 at this rate. Maybe lucky to make 50 tbh.

[Caunsos]

@William7489 the game i speaks of is the ablity to show off your strengths and qualities with being a braggart or acting self entitled so that they would want to be your friend and maintaining clear and reasonable intentions. Not the stuff a pick up artist will teach. That just about devaluing others in your eyes and their's. In may book if you have to devalue poeple, you have no game. @t-8900 feels it isok to refer to people as whales, so he has zero game.

@t-8900, Noone feed Christian to lions. You don't get to plan the victim when your the most popular religion in the western world. People that have it hard are atheists and Muslims. Atheists have fear losing their jobs families and whole communities if they come out. Muslims fear be the target of someone hate fueled assault. Also why is the no love in your heart? Isn't that whole point of Jesus to love you. If you want love in your heart love yourself. I know it hard because your a sack of shit but if you won't do it why should any one else.

[MCheetah]

@t-8900
"And at the same time a lot of good men are suffering because they are ignored, unloved, never acknowledged, and bust their asses every single day, sometimes 7 days a week! And all for what? Complete disrespect? Yeah we're pretty sick of this shit. We wanted the nice dating experience, the weddings, the kids, the love, but low and behold it was all a lie!"

I couldn't agree more. I truly am someone who took the pill and woke up, because the 20s version of me was a total gentleman. (Not a "Nice Guy," but a good guy.) I had my heart broken so many times and had depression from the number of women calling me inferior for being short, not being a 10/10, not having an Adonis body, even though I wasn't obese or anything. It's an endless cycle of depression and misery. At one point, I said "f*ck this sh*t, I'm out" and deleted Tinder, Match, and pretty much got off all the dating sites and stopped talking to women in real life. Five years later and some of my confidence and self-esteem has returned, even though I still hate my physical appearance (although I did even before women were cruel about it on dating sites).

I really *do* want the loving soulmate, the happy relationship, and all the lovey-duvey sh*t. The problem is, it's not real. I'm not sure we can even force it to be real. But what's the alternative? Dying alone? Being Blackpilled for the rest of your life?

It really is a conundrum for good single men out there. Do you take a chance on love, but with massive depression being a major risk? Or take a chance on being alone for lie, with massive depression being a major risk?

[MCheetah]

@Caunsos
All you've done here is sh*t on everyone and make bad assumptions. With no empathy and complete ignorance, I might add. You talk about "devaluing others" being bad, while unironically doing that in the same comment to T-8900, so are you projecting, or are you admitting you're as bad as the people you criticize, Mr. Fedora-wearing Ladies Man? You don't have to believe anything SEVERAL men are saying here, but if you aren't going to say anything helpful or useful, why are you even here?

[Caunsos]

@MCheetah i have been very helpful you just don't want to hear it. The problem isn't women. It is you are the problem, its your outlook thats problem, it is your perspective that problem. Your head space is what is keep you from a relationship. As for T-8900, it is not devaluing when it an accurate appraisal.

[t-8900]

@Caunsos get out of here guy. Atheists get to live an unabashed, hedonistic lifestyle devoid of responsibility and rules. You think because Christianity is the most popular western religion that makes it easy. WRONG boyo, because REAL Christians follow scripture and if you know anything about it you know how hard it is to find a woman.
1) We can't marry non-Christians
2) We can't marry promiscuous women
3) We can't be seen with women wearing skimpy clothing
4) We can't drown our sorrows in a bottle of liquor
5) We have to actively spend time helping a society that disrespects us and our religion

Atheists have NONE of these obligations. They can go fuck around with whoever and whatever they want, when they want. Atheists live life on EZ mode.

[JesseJayNeak]

Go overseas

[MCheetah]

I'm already overseas in Korea. No luck since I'm not white. 🤷‍♂️

[JesseJayNeak]

Keep looking, dude. The more you look down on yourself, the more often you'll get rejected.

[William7489]

Excellent point. I thought about that myself because a lot of non-American women don’t buy into the stereotypes that American women do. And that includes socioeconomics, race, everything