I generally don't subscribe to them and their ideas but I will admit there are a few that I was listening to about a year ago who are absolutely fantastic with their advice because it's based much less on all these things you need to do to be attractive to someone, and based much more on what you are inside and what your partner may be inside. Basically they give you the real meat of the situation in terms of emotions and psychology, and not all the pep talk that the vast majority of other coaches give you.
Coach Lee, Coach Craig Kenneth, and even Coach Courtney Ryan all have a lot of great things to say that you can benefit from not only in trying to reconnect with an ex but even in meeting someone else. Courtney Ryan is good but she still puts a little heavier emphasis on a man needing to be attractive to a woman. Coach Craig and his partner in crime Margaret are the absolute best though of all the coaches I've heard. They really get to the bare bones of relationships. I would definitely recommend them.
I've played an amateur one in the past. I got a record! Out of the three that I coached, all three got married!
One was especially and seemingly hopeless broadcasting on his social media that he was so lonely, his favorite films were Star Wars, like all the things you never want to put on a social media profile if your goal is to impress women. And he even followed me around when I was single and dating asking me to teach him so humbly how to do "nanpa" (ナンパ) or how to catch girls to put it crudely translating from Japanese.
But I got him set up with one of the drunkest girls in our group able to drink a bottle of gin and laugh the whole time! She was a bit of an airhead but I hooked them up and now he loves her so much -- and married -- and they have a daughter together.
I think I can be a good one! But I'm less about tricks and more about genuineness. Like stop doing all this tricks and games shit and just talk to the girl. Have some fun. Stop bullshitting. And be willing to lose a girl to win a girl.
I don't approve of these coaches who are trying to steer people in a disingenuous direction. If I was to become a dating coach, I'm not going to tell them what to say or do no matter what. I'm only going to say what they shouldn't and I say what they shouldn't because they're either being way too pathetic or not being genuine. I only correct the most pathetic side of the genuine.
I don't think this is something that should cost money though. This is something all of us who are more successful at dating should do on behalf of our friends. Correct their worst side and bring out their genuine and risk-taking side.
I've also learned the hard way that you have to push them away and into the girls. Like a good parent, you don't want to guide them too much that they look to you to know what to say. Sometimes you just have to throw them off the bird's nest and expect them to fly or splat. And many will splat, and that's normal. They're flying for the first time. So you mend their broken wing and push them off the nest again.
The ultimate role as I see it on our parts is to teach them that splatting into the ground isn't a big deal. Pick yourself up and try again. It's no big deal. You teach them that over and over and if it finally sticks into their heads, they are set for life. You don't teach them that they're going to fly. You teach them that failing to fly isn't a big deal.
I could say so much because this is what I do. There are many dating coaches that do different things. Some are trained and some are not. Some give advice m, some give ideas, and some help you come up with your own solutions and help hold you accountable (my approach once hired.) Basically, a good coach isn’t going to just tell you what to do, although they can if you value their opinion enough and that’s what you want them to do. Rather, I prefer to empower people to find the solutions within themselves. And I have a framework for that. That is what ensures they’ll follow through with their ideas and it has a more permanent hold within themselves.
I wouldn't pay them to do for me what i can do for myself. Plus i could literally show and tell someone what kinda guy im into and they’d still present me with the opposite of what i asked for. No thanks
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Many people who struggle with dating will say dating coaches are a waste of time. They never have hired one or probably even spoken to one but you can be for sure they know they are a waste of time.
Why? Because the good coaches will make them get out of their comfort zones and they don't want that. They don't want to be pushed to do things they normally would not do.
The one's who do submit to the process and are willing to learn and try new things will see success. Are there bad coaches out there? Sure. This is why you need to ask for references and do a little research.
There are so many books that one can read instead but they won't do that either. So if you need help then get the help. Start with a book.
When I want dating advice, I read my bible. You need to respect people and not view them as objects so I do not hire people who don’t follow it.
I am usually skeptical in terms of dating coaches because content can be reformed and regurgitated by them after piggybacking off each other as a way to increase customers and potential income, in short, it is a scam and potential cash cow for people.
However, I don't think they are all bad. I consulted two in the past when I was struggling dating and both helped me grow and have more success. The two coaches I had was one male and one female- Coach Corey Wayne and Apollonia Ponti were the ones I consulted. Both have good methods of improvement of self and dating and are passionate with what they do. Their prices are reasonable and their content is accessible and catered to those willing to do the work to grow themselves, which is what coaches do. They tap into those who have the potential to ensure obstacles and become stronger.
I would also argue that you as an individual need to be willing to put in the work for coaching to be successful. They can give you the tools, but only you have the ability amd drive to succeed.
I think there are a lot of folks who need the help. We have guys who are in this endless cycle of feeling like they failed, then blaming women, leading to self-loathing and lower self-esteem.
On the women side, some feel like they have limited choices, they make bad decisions, blame men, then start the same self-loathing process.
Folks have to understand, if they can change their behavior, they can change their outcomes.
Very well put
They are as valuable as the market that created them allows them to be, which, is a lot.
Dating coaches are problem solvers and while I wouldn't hire one, I won't throw them under the bus. People are willing to pay them, to improve their chances in their dating goals.
As far as the criticism goes, people on the outside looking will always criticize the person getting paid and not the person paying. So long as they get value equal to what they willing to pay, it's none of my business.
I am neutral to positive about them. So I voted option B. A wingman or just a good group of friends would be more useful and cheaper than a dating coach, though.
I would not use one, but most dating coaches just seem like self-esteem counselors to me, helping men to get over their fears and insecurities (the ones who aren't Pick Up Artists, that is).
Wonder what @coachTanthony would say.
I think there is a lot of variation among them so the answer depends on how each one does their job. Some are pretty good while others promote unhealthy attitudes, especially if they specialize in one sex or the other. For example, there is one dating coach here on GAG who only works with women, and over the years she has promoted some very unhealthy attitudes toward men. She has toned it down the last year or so but before then it was pretty bad. There are some male dating coaches who do the same kind of thing on the other side of the gender aisle. That sort of thing is the last thing we need dating coaches to be doing in today's social environment. But I think the good ones are worthwhile.
I’m curious to whom you’re referring to
Sounds like a bit of a scam to me. I want to meet the real you not someone who's regurgitating lesson 5 from a course. People have been finding dates for millions of years, Why do guys suddenly now need a coach?
@purplepoppy Lot of guys need coaches to help them navigate todays modern women. Because of my career I'm fortunate to have an audience every year w/ some of the top future young professional athletes in the world and about 90% of the conversation is about how to avoid the pitfalls of women. They dont always listen, but in my opinion young men specfically need to coached on how to deal w/ woman today. I ironically just had a conversation w/ two 21 year olds who are going out tonight for their first night out in Hollywood.
Ehh... you had me till the last point you made. SOME people have no trouble finding dates. That hasn't changed at all throughout history. Some dudes just have better dating skills than others. Not that I've ever used a dating coach myself, but I would assume they're kind of like a self improvement and etiquette coach.
If you are looking for some generic advice/knowledge, then they are great.
But most people miss the very first, most important thing to consider.
Is the other person attracted to you at all?
If yes, then you can probably proceed.
If no, then no amount of dating advice will help.
Dating isn't just about attraction. If the attraction is there, only then does the true definition come into play - courting.
A lot of people are clueless about that very thing.
I admit that I am, at times.
They're not necessary.
I'm not going to say dating coaches are bad. But their advice is typically just common sense. They don't have some magic formula I can assure you lol (any dating coach that claims to is selling snake oil). If you're more successful after using one. It,'s because in using one you developed more confidence, that is all! So I guess if your faith in yourself is completely shattered they can be helpful. But the bottom line is THEY CAN'T FIX YOU. Only you can fix you. So in the end this is why I say they're not necessary.
Nah. A so called "dating coach" is basically a poor and unqualified matchmaker.
Basically, someone who read a book, wrote a couple of blogs and now thinks they know "The Game" good enough to bluff their way.
Run from such idiots. They are the tarot readers of the dating circus.
u My knowledge of them is also restricted to the movie Hitch XD
I don't know how they operate, but between poor communication skills owing to social media and other digital methods, ideological and political hyper-polarization, and mental health concerns, a lot of people could benefit from them. If they're anything like Hitch, that is.
It can be useful I don't see a need for it but that doesn't mean it wouldn't help someone else. If it helps someone I'm all about it
Are you talking about professional counselors charging their regular rates to people having trouble dating? I believe that can be helpful. If you are talking about men charging exorbitant rates to proposing to teach other men how to pick up women in bars, them no.
I see the necessity for their business because many people nowadays and in the future will have a need for the knowledge of how to date. But here´s the problem I think most of them work like dating apps they want money not people being in a relationship.
So most of them are scam but a minority of them can be helpful especially if you´re person having hard time getting to know the other sex.
I'd suggest people to at least get some other type of professional help to improve themself before going a coach.
If you are well in tune and happy about yourself, and still cannot succed in dating at all, then it might be worth trying. But I'd say in most cases other type of help will increas chances of getting a relationship way more.
They're unfortunately extremely needed by young men these days since a lot of those young men don't develop social skills properly because they spend more time on the internet or playing video games than going outside, making real friends and meeting girls.
The whole business makes no sense to me if the dating coaches Really wanted to help people solve their dating problems. Similarly to the dating services/communities - it's not a sustainable business plan to help yourself lose customers.
More likely these coaches grow a community of people in their image and I wouldn't be surprised if they created more problems than they solve.
Flakey. Why does one need a coach to find a suitable partner? Just date - you don't need someone to tell you HOW to date. Have some fun, get to know. You can't tell if they're mr or ms right till you do.
Most dating coaches are great salespeople. They sell themselves by promising others to teach themselves how to sell. This rarely works because those who can't sell themselves usually have different problems. In the meantime, they steal money from people who have relationship problems.
It's okay, i only know a guy named Matthew I once stumbled over a video of him and it was a good video but that's pretty much it
Matthew Hussey shares my view of who should pay for the date, so yeah he's cool lol
m I don't really know them or what they do exactly... so I do not feel in any particular way
other than not having a need for them, since I do not date around anyway, never needed it either, I go by and do just fine by being my true self
Well, I think this will be as varied as the last part of your question suggests. A lot of people will think it's a scam and a lot of others will swear by it. Maybe narrow the question a tiny bit more to ask only those who have used the service?
i think that dating and getting a woman or man to date you and like you, can only be done by you the person. you either got a game or you just do not have what it takes to get someone. personally, i would feel a bit down knowing i needed help to get a woman to date me.
but to each their own i guess.
Okay if it helps them? But how do they go about it? 'YH we go to the club and ask someone out!' what if clubbing isn't a hobby of ours? How does one coach like that?
Spendy spendy SPENDY!!!
In my country, dating is not that common/normal/open.
So if I goto somewhere where dating is a common thing, I might be inclined to at least consult them once so as to learn about the societal and cultural norms, you know just to have a better dating experience; both for myself and my potential dates.
Just my take.
Oh, do you mean con artists & snake oil salesmen?
I don't have the energy or the desire to give a long winded explanation of all the reasons why, so the short answer is option C.
Instead of dating coaches, therapists, books, videos or advice about how to be your own master and become more independent and a better person are more needed.
They're hilariously good at their jobs and bad at advice. They know how to con the gullible well. But the results from their advice are basically always none existent.
I believe If you need a coach just so you know how dating works the either your parents failed you or you might not be worth dating
I don't know what to think about them never used one or knew anyone who did, however, I think if they're not the same gender as you they're useless haha
I've only seen them in the movies lol, but what I see, they really don't do anything you can't do on your own. I guess they're "helpful" if you want someone else to do the work for you. Otherwise they're just taking your money lol.
They don’tunderstwnd the way the dating world has changed for men because of women. It’s no longer with it. Sucks for them they’re probably not getting many clients these days 🤷🏻♂️
This is the best (worst) dating coach:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/bn-1qIh3YPMNever felt the need or want, but if others find it helpful I’d say go for it
They are parasites who never learned a proper profession.
People who blabla their way through life will eventually fail in themselves.
I think it's good to get their feedback. We don't always read ourselves and others all that well in social situations, so their perspective is valuable.
People voted NOOOOO!!!
But I bet 99% of those people never tried one because if they had they probably would not have voted no... But I get it, you don't know what you dont know.
I don’t need them I know exactly what to do I’m my own dating coach. They will have me kissing the girls ass sooner or later
At a singles mixer I was approached by a guy who handed me a card introducing him as a dating coach. Since my problem is meeting girls in the first place I didn't take up the offer.
I generally find people like that a waste of time to be honest.
As far as I'm concerned the best dating coach is experience.
This would be true but I can barely get dates so... doesn't really work for me
@dontaaaa
Some are legit, some are scam artists. Generally you shouldn't listen to women regarding this topic though. They don't know what they want. I speak from experience.
Most of the coaches I had growing up were guys and I would never want to date one of them.
They are not for me, not like Im a god at dating but sometimes, female friends can be helpful
I've never used one, but I wasn't under an illusion about why I was having trouble dating.
Total scam. Makes as much sense as having a toilet coach.
Some of them give good advice , But not all of them
in my opinion a waste of time & money.
I have never dated a coach, but i did date a girl who later became one
They are a waste of time. Be yourself, focus on being successful and wealthy.
I would classify them as a waste of time!
OK if you have a fetish for busses!
most of these men are a scam. many have been caught red handed scoring ugly women and barely scoring at all.
I greet them with skepticism
I've never dated a coach.
a lot of them give bad advice
Makes sense if people need it. I'd never use one
I had no idea they existed, weird
A lot of them are scam
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