I'll explain, but it will be a long read.
The top 20% thing means more than physical attraction. It is a combination of height, face, build, income, intelligence, past (do they have kids from past relationships, etc.).
The top 20% of men have many options because the majority of women go for them.
What this amounts to is he could be a player if he wants and if the woman doesn't like it he can easily replace her because that majority are interested in those top 20%.
Or if he wants to be a good exclusive kind of guy, most of those 80% will never have a chance with the top 20% of men because those women are not near the quality as he is. They bring next to nothing to a relationship that he desires. Women with a past of casual sex, have a kid from someone else, have tattoos, fat, used drugs or heavily drank alcohol, think of only themselves for special occasions, expect him to be the provider AND do work at home, etc. all of those qualities make her undesirable and the top 20% of men can refuse women that don't have the qualities he wants because there are so many interested that it makes most women easily replaceable.
Do women settle for less than the top 20%? yes, EVENTUALLY. After they partied, had casual sex, possibly had a kid or two or three from other guys that abandoned and used her, etc. that is when they settle. Their problem is when they decide to settle they think they can still get a decent guy like they could have before making those bad decisions in life. At that point however, they are no longer appealing to those men and they often have to settle for very low quality guys or stay single. The desirable guys that do go with them know they have little value so they are only with them temporarily, use them for sex, then leave them or cheat on them because they don't have the value anymore like they used to.
The way to fix this is they should go for people that are more on their level, but the majority of women THINK they are much more valuable than they actually are and when a guy asks them "what do you bring to the relationship?" They often get angry because they know they have very little value themselves and once their looks fade they have nothing left to offer. That is also why many women get upset at other ones that don't sleep around, don't get fat, don't do drugs or drink lots of alcohol, don't cover themselves in tattoos, don't have kids from multiple kids. they get upset because those women made good choices in life and it makes them look even worse by comparison.
Tinder and other similar sites have a weird effect on the dating market.
When I was working in the office, my natural charisma would always give me a few female admirers, even though I'm a fat dude.
But without that in person interaction, all women have to go off of is the superficial looks of a guy and a short bio. So I end up getting much less attention. Some guys on the lower end get no attention whatsoever.
So that 80/20% thing is specifically referring to online dating.
The thing is though that if you think that Chad Thundercock is going to wife you, you're in for a lonely later life, because all the good husbands will already be locked down.
Meaning in order to have those last minute kid's you'll probably want you can be a single mom, date a 30 something wash up, or cougar yourself an incel zoomer.
In short, all those women looking for the ballers are going to end up spinsters unless they themselves are tens with something unique to offer.
Just my two cents, I don't really give a shit about the dating market, I have a wife and kids, I'm really only just on the lookout for a second woman these days.
It would suck to be a young guy rn though.
It means you need to find better resources 🙄
Those are Foolish stats and not factual.
Looks have a role in it but women are more open to good looks not only coming from a mans physical body shape. In other words you can take a man with an above average shape and make him look unkept stick him in filthy stenchy clothes then take a man with under average shape and put him in neat attire make him well groomed and smell amazing... And guess what we are choosing the man who took care of his hygiene.
here's something I found
"Unsurprisingly, the data collected reveals that both men and women really care a lot about attractiveness (though men care ever so slightly more). However, women care about intelligence roughly twice as much as men. In the speed-dating study, every point increase in a man’s intelligence rating (on a 1-to-10 scale) boosted the chances a woman would want to see him again by an average of 4.5 percentage points"
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I think you might want to dig into the origin of this 80/20 thing and see who started it and how they started it. I'd do some research on this.
For instance it was started by an an incel who got his results for his "study" from tinder so it only applied to tinder not the real outside world. Also he only pulled his numbers from just 27 people on tinder, just 27 total.
It's not a real sociology study at all.
When you post this type of stuff it makes you appear to be pro incel.
@MCheetah those are the same women who dickshame men yet claim incels lie that women care about men's bodies.
"80% of women are attracted to 20% of men" mans the statistic was invented by a butthurt boy who didn't want to take responsibility for his lack of success with the opposite sex.
I personally don't know how much truth there is in the 80-20 claim, but I have to say that I certainly don't get that impression at all.
I'm not great at noticing when a girl flirts with me, but it has been pointed out to me on many occasions. It's more common than I used to think, and I'm not some hyper attractive, muscular, rich guy. I just look "OK" as far as I can tell, yet it isn't that rare for me to receive flirty comments.
eventually whats gonna happen is,
if not enough men get sex
they are going to attack society as a group
and their is going to be a lot of rape and murder
and that 20% of men that you girls like
some of them will be killed
20% of the men vs 80% of men
doesn't look good for the chads and tyrones and the juans of society in the future
( there was an experiment done with mice, they put an even amount of females to males and they had sex and had kids, and they had food and water always )
after a certain amount of time, more mice were born
and in balanced happened in genders
there was more of one gender than the other
( and what happened is the other mice, shunned male mices away and the mice that were shunned started to become violent slowly biting each others tails )
after about 2 years
the shunned mice grew in population
and they started to attack and kill all the other mice
male or female
only a few mice survived
i think like 6 only
Initially it will mean that 20% of the men are going to have a vast majority of the sex. However, whether women engage in sex with these top guys or not, they'll find fairly quickly that they aren't good enough to actually lock them down in a relationship.
There's a fallacy that many women have used in the body count debate, and that's saying that women shouldn't be judged because "who are they having sex with?" They ask rhetorically, as if for every woman who has sex, another random man also has sex- it isn't true. For every 10 women who have sex, 1-2 guys get laid, while 8 other guys do not. It's possible that the people with the highest body counts are guys, but also the people with the lowest body counts are also guys.
All of those things will occur. Some, however, are more probable than others. It's the reason I went with A. Because most people are unable to date or become forever toys for attractive people. And it appears that the majority of people struggle with being alone. So I feel that most will settle down and become A.
There are numerous examples of how and why people eventually settle. Hell, we're so good at settling that it doesn't even feel like we're lowering our standards! I say this because biology is very powerful. If something isn't thrusting us towards the goal of procreation, then our brain will adjust & make it more likely to come to pass. Generally speaking of course.
It could mean all four answers but I´m not sure if it´s really 80/20 because that sounds too easy to me like the numbers are too rounded.
I think there is a truth in it that a guy that looks good and is charismatic and a good communicator will always have it easier with women but on the other hand I think that an average looking guy who is confident in himself (no bitter/incel...) and who is successful in what he´s doing will always have a good chance in dating.
Sure there always exceptions that have it harder but over all I think a guy could also find a relationship by settling his life and by figuring out what he wants and how.
if you go by the typical American/western culture female dating profile many of them are seeking a guy who's above average in multiple of the following. natural looks, income, dick size, fitness level, natural height, schooling and social status. once they add up any 3 of those their likely seeking out top 20% or less and with all 7 their seeking top 1% or less.
since most of those guys have dozens of girls seeking them out. they likely won't settle down down with any one of them when there's a line waiting. unless the guy in question has strong traditional and/or religious values so he'll expect the same from his partner.
It means that a large number of women settle for guys they’re less attracted to because they can’t keep the guys they’re most strongly attracted to around.
Not everybody gets into a relationship or gets married to the person they’re most attracted to, or their ideal partner. Many people, I’d actually say the majority of people, don’t. They get with the best person who is willing to commit to them, based on their options.
Normal men prefer a slim woman, but if they can’t get one they’ll go with an overweight woman.
Normal women prefer a tall good looking man who is successful. But if they can’t get or keep that guy they’ll go for a guy who doesn’t have all that going for him, once they’re sure they wanna settle down.
Option A will never happen. You'll sooner get a woman admit to wrongdoing and accept responsibility for her actions than get her to lower her dating standards.
Option B is irrelevant, as women are already only 100% single by choice.
Option C applies from the Chad's point of view and Option D applies to the girl's point of view before Option E: The vast majority of women will whine and complain about being single once they hit The Wall in their early to mid thirties, leading to Option F and the only correct option...
(Option F) The vast majority of women will settle down and get married to the cucks and beta males they dismissed as "losers and unworthy" in their twenties, because these men have no self respect and would rather be used than diss a woman who treated them badly. Eventually this will lead to divorce in that woman's 40s or 50s, but...
... That's a story for another GAG Question.
Do women think that way? For me, I've apparently always had a "reputation" of some sort. I have no idea if it was my rep or my appearance that was attractive. by the way, I am intelligent, successful, recognized, and have been thusly rewarded by society. Worse, I am a person of deep faith, and I try quite hard to not have "that stuff" matter, and try to apply it to educate others.
I can't help but think about how math tells us that the average testosterone levels are about 80% lower than they were 80 years ago.
And I don't even want to play this stupid game. Let's fix the issue to get 80% of the men attractive enough for 80% of the women, without them having to lower their standards.
What that means to me is that men better step up their game 80% of women is a lot of women for only 20% of men that means that 80% of men are not going to be with a woman that they want to be with because they don't have what it takes to be with that woman so many men better start changing
It means we have to be cautious about who we want to farther our kids and spend our lives with.
Psychos exist, jealous men exist, lazy men exist, controlling men exist.
if you’re one of those guys that are really getting frustrated and mad about that, then clearly you’re someone to avoid.
I always tell other men that although the dating world is brutal, they shouldn't complain or be bitter about it. You can either learn to adapt or not pley the game and focus on other things in life. Society needs to do a better a job and tell men that they don't need a woman in their life to be happy and that their value can come from other things if not the dating world
@Chthou95 💯
Both genders need that, period. I also think men shouldn’t put their worth on how many women they’ve slept with, or even how early or late they lost their virginity
It’s why I’m happy to be a lifelong bachelor. I’m not spending my life with someone who perceives that she lowered her standards to marry me, no matter what unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky fantasy her standards were or how far she falls short of her own expectations.
Yeah. This is why we hear so many complaints that there aren’t good men. And why men going there own way is a thing. Most men aren’t dealing with a lot of that any more. American women are becoming like there male counterparts, very very entitled when they have no reason to be
It means that both woman and men should step up so that we can all be attractive to one another. Imagine if everyone looked good, then no one would give a fuck about how one looked and people could find their real soulmates, people who are perfect for them in mind and soul.
Also roughly 80% of humans as a whole are what I classify as Spiritual Retards and if you want to know what that means, then it means, somewhere in that 80% there is a another majority within that is even worse than the rest and they’ll continue to spread like the crop destruction the Genetically modified Locusts brought in Jurassic World Dominion. And of course that’s gonna be catastrophic. This change was inevitable the moment the first two Humans abolished their holiness. So anyways, basically, bad people become huge majority, they think it’s fine, one day all of the things that would be considered beyond horrendous now will be considered at the very least “meh” in the relatively near future
It means plenty of things. One also needs to understand women. For them, most men are invisible. Men don't notice ugly girls, obese girls, etc. So only about what, half of women are truly noticed by men?
For women, it's very different. Only about 10% of men are actually "visible."
It means most women in a relationship arn't attracted to their partner. It means that some women prefer solitude or toys over being with somone. It means women who have found somone they like are stupid to divorce.
Mostly it means a whole lot of men will pretend to be more than they are to experiance a romantic relationship.
And since women will be voluntarily single in greater numbers going forward it is a great time for men to invest in and cash in on companies associated with box wine and pet products, the demand for which will surely rise in years to come.
Maybe it means they will marry the best guys that will marry them but if they are not attracted to him, they will cheat with hotter guys they are attracted to. And, if they get pregnant, that is okay because their husband will never know and should be delighted because the hotter guy will give their husband a prettier baby.
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