Do men with good manners still exist?

[Anonymous]

[Whatever2929292]

If you're too lazy to open a car door... I don't mind holding the door. But I can't stand one sided women. Many women who want a traditional man don't want to be a traditional woman... There is a give and take.

I will be nice to a woman like that who appreciates me but also isn't offended either. I want a woman who is appreciative and not either one extremes of being entitled or the other of offended.

I don't think that women are special and neither do I men...

Many of these women also want their man to clean, cook, do the dishes, laundary, give her a foot rub, and the list goes on and on and on... The honey do list while wanting to be a housewife...

But so many men give into these one sided relationships where he must bend over backwards and she gives nothing in return.

Now not all women are like that in fact I would argue and say most aren't unless you're going to clubs and stuff like that to meet women.

I have manners yea... But unless you are my significant other or a family member or a friend... I am not treating you better then anyone else because you happen to be born a woman.

I don't do one sided. I know I am going to step on some toes with this question both on the liberal and conservative side of things... Sorry...

If there is a give and take then great! But

[Anonymous]

It's funny, I see men hold doors open for others, including women all the time, and I do the same. But I've found it very uncommon for women to do it. I work in a building where I see the same people every day. If I go through the front door and someone else is coming up behind me, I'll wait and continue holding the door until they get there. There are several women who work there who I have held the door for many times, but they rarely do the same for me. Just yesterday I was walking through the parking lot behind one of them who was maybe five seconds ahead of me. She got to the top of the stairs, opened the door, looked back at me, walked through the door and just let it go. It literally shut in my face as I got to the top of the stairs.

Do men with good manners still exist? Obviously they do. The question is where the women with good manners have gone.

But the core issue here is not really manners, it's chivalry, which is essentially men treating women like they are special. And sorry ladies, but you have lost the right to be treated as special. Chivalry is dead and you yourself killed it.

[KrakenAttackin]

Anon... That's because women are selfish and entitled.

[Opinion Owner]

@KrakenAttackin Not all women are selfish and entitled, but a lot certainly are right now.

[EllaNella]

ngl women who whine about not getting those performative acts of chivalry instead of focusing on meeting a man who actually treats them with respect are just as moronic and cringy as those incels who claim all women are inherently bad people.

opening doors isn't a sign of a good character. it's purely performative. if you want a man to treat you right, find a man who treats you as an equal, not like a damsel in distress.

[Whatever2929292]

RIGHT? RIGHT? Most of them are incels. They think all men are bad since not every man meets their dating standards.

They chase all the good men off the same as those men chase all the good women off... They exist they just stay away from those kinds of people.

Most of those women are VERY one sided... They think that they are the shit and that someone must do everything for them and give nothing in return. Even traditional women there was a give and take...

But many of those women now are just anyways

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Do 'people" with good manners still exist?
Why is it only men expected to have good manners while nothing is said of women who don't have good manners?
Or men the only ones expected to open doors for women?
I'm a woman, and I'll open the door for anyone, old, young, man or woman...
There's still some people with good manners,..

[Iwant2kno]

Yes there are good men out there with good manners. Unfortunately though, there are guys who are jerks, but try to not judge every guy just because one dude is disrespectful. Everyone has different values and personalities, eventually you will see the good in some guys too

[Whatever2929292]

Well there is a difference in being a total jerk and just not kissing someone's ass to get nothing in return.

[OlderAndWiser]

Of course we still exist. Your question is why can't you find one of those guys!

[hafinjun]

😈😈

[Pinay_ako]

Either the car is new or the girl is new 🤣

[ADrifter]

@Pinay_ako - well it's better than a used woman that thinks an abusive relationship is worth something.

[Pinay_ako]

@ADrifter who is that

[Whatever2929292]

Yea I have no problem holding doors. But I don't want someone who can't even open a car door...

[Sonorous]

Yes. Many men simply probably disagree with how others define "having good manners."

For instance, I recently got into a heated discussion with someone who called me disrespectful just because I wasn't kissing their ass when I came to them with a complaint. In their mind, I lacked manners. But in reality, I didn't. Else I wouldn't have been actively trying to avoid irrational extremes by attempting a compromise. The same extremes they were trying to bring things to!

But I really am built differently. It's hard being this reasonable in a sea of unreasonable. My standards appear too difficult for mere mortals to reach. Why did the Gods have to curse me with such excellence! Why must my mind be this... amazing... 😭

[Whatever2929292]

Some people feel entitled

[Keepitanomonous]

DAMMMNN!!! I relate wayy too much man!

[Sonorous]

@Whatever2929292 - Right! And the sad thing is that I can't even explain that to them or their ego would make their wall come to even further, blocking any rational progress. Something that wouldn't happen if they came to me with the same complaint & style of delivery.

@Keepitanomonous - My condolences. This really is a pain in the ass to deal with! But I do notice that it's easy to twist someone's logic against them & remind the person that there are ways in which they could be seen as disrespectful. Especially if I do what they did & hold them to unnecessary standards that are based on my ideals.

[TonyV]

I thought women wanted to be treated like equals?

Do you want us to pamper you, treat you like a special princess, to be your night in shinning armor every time a pickle jar, store door, or car needs opened? To treat you like a helpless thing that always needs to be helped or protected?

Or

Do you want us to treat you as an equal person who just happens to have different genitals?

Chivalry and equal treatment are different things that directly appose each other, you have to pick one, you can't have both. Treating you special is obviously not treating you equally l.

[Dontaaaa]

I have good manners, I'll hold the door open for people if I know they're behind me and stuff, say "excuse me" when I need to move past someone in a store and etc... but I've always found the act of opening a girls car door for her to be a bit excessive.

Unless she has her hands full and can't open the door herself of course.

Other than that, I'm not going to walk all the way around and open the car door for you, I do romantic things when I'm in a relationship, but that's not one of them.

I kind

[hafinjun]

Sure,😬 I see those Sissy's everywhere, opening doors for women, pulling the chairs out in the restaurant. Throwing the coats across the puddles with the lady can cross the road without getting your feet wet oh this the benefit of even a dog collar around the neck I don't get it tell me how to spank them I'm kidding yes I do all that for women I've had him get mad at me for doing it I had one woman that deliberately step sideways so she can open her own door coming out of an apartment store but I keep on my head held high thank you man

[APrettyLittleLady87]

My grandmother, who had 8 girls (poor grandpa, he & 1 boy), had some basic advice.

Men will always have manners for ladies but they will never put effort into a trollop.

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Essentially if you are a decent or respectable woman then men will have manners. If you are a trollop - indecent, unrespectable, etc. - then why would they waste their time.

[Whatever2929292]

I am loving and respectful as I can. But I don't give special treatment for being a woman... If I don't know you then I will treat you the same as I treat strangers who are men.

[APrettyLittleLady87]

@Whatever2929292 And that's likely why the only women you can get, are cheap.

[Whatever2929292]

What are you talking about?

[Whatever2929292]

I get women who treat me well... I don't like one sided or entitled bitches. Or sexist bitches. The same as you don't want a man like that

[Whatever2929292]

Why do you think being a woman gives you special privilege? Are you a sexist? Yes very much and why you can't find any men at all!

[APrettyLittleLady87]

@Whatever2929292 ROFL. There's nothing entitled about holding a door open for someone you uneducated twit. I do it for men just as much as I do it for women. It's called MANNERS.

[Whatever2929292]

I hold the door all the time. Don't you hold the door for people?

[Whatever2929292]

Yea I hold the door all the time... I said special treatment. To be honest if I am with someone I do treat them special. If she is appreciative and even returns favors even more so

[APrettyLittleLady87]

@Whatever2929292 Go away now. You lack in compression. And I haven't had enough coffee to deal with such foolishness & not be paid for it. I just said that I hold the door open for men & women equally.

[Whatever2929292]

Great! I don't know how I lack in compassion though I said I hold the door too.

[Whatever2929292]

I lack in compassion because I believe in EQUAL treatment?

[APrettyLittleLady87]

@Whatever2929292 No. Reread what is posted. Come back when you understand.

[Whatever2929292]

Some could say you have none either. I was not being argumentative with my comment you're the one who got offended for some reason. Reread mine...

[Anonymous]

Yes to my girl I’m a gentleman. To others I could give a fuck lol I used to be that way being raised like that but after all the shit women do, manipulate, want equality but only certain parts of it I said hell no. Not not more. You want equality open your own door, get your own food. I think a lot of men aren’t doing it as much because of their experiences. Getting shit from someone who gets mad cause you open the door for her cause in her mind your undermining her as a woman. So no I’m done w that. These women complain at the hospital they want equal pay. But when it comes to lifting a patient or moving something heavy who do they call? Me, one of two men who works our unit at night but gets asked more of. So no everyone can do for their self so long as I take care of my girl

[Joker_]

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[Blackcosmo]

Damn the guy just roasted that girl! Um of course there are still great guys out there. But you shouldn't want them doing the simplest tasks for you. Yeah of course a guy holding or opening doors for you is polite, but if you expect it then it just means you're entitled.

[SaartjieJane]

They do exist, it’s just sad I can’t find one like that.
I want to experience having a man open a door for me… pick me up for a date and bring flowers… come knock on my door… drop me off at home and watch me go inside before leaving… or if I drive myself, he tests to make sure I’m home safe…
I want a man like this😭 just so so so damn hard to find

[Lionman95]

Yes but not of everyone of us shows such to every person hence it could a guy´s love language.
Therefore to avoid any wrong feelings some guys might not show it too any woman they meet. Others might have stopped it because they feel like they acknowledged for it hence people took it for granted and didn´t show gratitude over it.
That´s why you might be still looking for one.

[Oigit]

I don't open doors for women. Because it seems like there is a ever increasing chance that the woman I opened the door for you would launch into a tirade about how she does not need a man to open the door for her and how she is a strong and independent woman. Also if I said I was just trying to be nice by opening the door, I'd probably catch a mansplaining guilt trip too.

[Bob92220]

My Mother taught me to always open the doors for women. When I'm initially dating I open the car door for her. However, after we've been dating for a while it's okay not to always open the car door for her. But always open all the other doors for her.

[anon1903]

In order to get a guy to open car doors for you, you need to be handicap or something.

But if you're asking if guys put efforts into developing communication skills instead of asking what sex position women prefer the most, then yeah — spot on.

[Jaguarsxr051]

Yes they're probably computer engineers and successful men but probably they're below 6 feet tall like 5.3 feet and they're nice too with normal human body no six pack but unfortunately Modern woman can't admit they want the bad boy drama from 16-35 then from there they want the good man it's too late. Good men exist probably in every girl dm but they want the top tier guy while she's far from perfect. The dating game probably died woman killed it

[JSmuve]

Opening the door for someone else is only good manners if they can't do it themselves. If she can do it herself, I expect her to. If she expects me to do it, then she's just lazy and it begs the question of what else can she can do but just doesn't want to.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

To all men saying here that you don't do that anymore because this, or only do it when the girl in question does that...
You either are a gentleman or you are not. There is no "sometimes this and sometimes that." No. Act like a gentleman always regardless of your intentions AND regardless if the girl in question like it or not.

[Fuentes]

Nah I just won't do it lol

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Fuentes at least you are consistent.

[CallMeLes]

Do you really need him to? Like if we're going to McDonalds, dude chill. Going to a wedding in a nice dress? Yeah, why not! Let's have fun.

[Whatever2929292]

Well there is nothing wrong with being nice. Though I hate when someone feels entitled