
Is dating today harder than 20 years ago?


It depends on what you're seeking in dating.
If you're after flings, friends with benefits, causal affairs etc, than it is FAR easier today. Standards of western society - specifically North America - compared to countries in Europe to Middle East, etc. are appallingly low. Many women would rather be treated as a sex object than respect. Many men want a cheap one-night than invest time. The rate of children born out of wedlock in America is many times that of other countries.
If you're seeking a potential long-term partner / spouse then it is FAR harder today. For the reasons stated above. In western / American society far more people are interested in causal affairs than they are in committed relationships. Far more people lack the ability to deal with relationships in a mature intelligent fashion - on this form there's been posts encouraging cheating just because of minor fucking arguments rather than be ADULTS and TRY to work through MINOR issues like a mature intelligent person.
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@boobliker " so many blockades to get over"
Having standards is hardly blockades. Decent women have them to keep from wasting time on a guy who'll contribute little to nothing to a relationship or a family.
Cheap sluttish women have "blockades" in the fact that dozens of desperate men think these dimbos have value when reality is they're only good for a one night screw.
My experiences yes , I blame social media for playing a big part on destroying people’s minds into believing certain things that lean to being a crock of shit , people aren’t as content anymore and live more of a selfish lifestyle , having tons of options to choose from , No one really values each other like it use to be before social media took off , most people today assume the worst case scenarios and assume everyone is cheating on each other and sadly that’s why most people are cheating on each other cuz their heads are filled with garbage , Most females are initiating divorces more then men because most females think grass is greener on the other side , constantly comparing her life to others and feeling like she deserves a better lifestyle instead of appreciating what she has right in front of her. I am not saying Guy’s are perfect cuz guys can be assholes as well , but most guys today do not want to get into a relationship because he fears a girl is going to cheat on him or get bored of him the second she feels her life needs to be better , Most females were raised believing they need to be treated like princesses , like they were put on Earth to be taken care of constantly , Sadly those girl’s are in for a rude awakening , and sadly those guys are as well that feed into her shit. I will not commit to a girl that can not be my team partner , that doesn’t want to work with me and support each other , and stay loyal and faithful to me , if she can’t remove selfishness for me I will not be able to do it for her , she is best to not let the door hit her in the ass on the way out , so yes dating today is way harder based on my experiences in life
Yeap :/
It's much more difficult.
If we were to compare the women that my grandfather had, to the women I get to deal with, you'd notice that the men in 2023 have to work 5x as hard for women who are only 1/4th of the quality that my grandfather in the 1930's got to choose from. Modern women have massive egos, and every single one of them thinks that she's a 10 who doesn't need an ounce of improvement to her personality or her body, even if she's at best, a 2 on the attractiveness scale.
I always put my intentions and expectations up front, and I certainly have plenty to offer in a relationship for someone, even though I know I'm not perfect. But thanks to the modern culture that pushes this warped idea of what relationships should be to women, and thanks to the dating and social media apps where women can get immediate gratification on their appearance 1 minute after posting a selfie, most women have a massively inflated sense of ego, and 90% of women compete for the top 5-10% of men. The other 90% of men are left behind.
Also, I find it incredibly hilarious that women, the people who live on tutorial difficulty in the dating world, are complaining about the dating scene.
Yes and no
yes - many options
no - many options
This opinion giver looks pretty without makeup as well.
@annabananna thanks hun
More like many options, but not good ones.
@DizzyAster2 that’s why I said yes and no. 😂
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You could be asking two different things:
1. Is dating for a 18 year old guy today more difficult than it was for a 18 year old guy 20 years ago? The answer to this question is that no one has had both experiences so no one is in a position to really make that comparison.
2. Is dating for a 38 year old guy today more difficult than it was for that same guy 20 years ago? In my experience, dating has become easier as I have gotten older. That can be attributed to gaining experience and confidence, older women being more straightforward in relationships, and the odds favoring men as we get older (more available women than available men.)
Could you elaborate on what you mean by this (2.)? Because I've found dating to be even **more** difficult the older I've gotten. And I'm not even that old...
@Art_Vandelay I was very self-conscious and lacked confidence when I was younger. I was also terrified of being rejected. After having a few girlfriends and sexual partners, I lost my self-consciousness and developed confidence. I also experienced rejection enough times that I learned it wasn't the end of the world; and when I was in a position to reject a few girls, I realized that rejection doesn't mean that she thinks there is something WRONG with me. It just means that she thinks we aren't right for each other.
Now that I am older, it has been easy to meet women on dating sites, to DM a few times, then exchange phone numbers and talk (NOT text) a few times, and then I suggested that we meet. If you make the effort with online dating, you can be successful. And as you get older there wll be more available women than available men.
I agree dating as I got older is much easier (although I always did well anyways). But it's much easier. That being said the quality of the women today vs 15 to 20 years ago is total shit. I used to when I was like 16 to 25 most girls were virgins or very limited experience. Now I basically never meet any women like that. Ever. I realize these days if you're very hot and sexual girls will have sex with you immediately and have no morals about it. And to me that's what makes dating hard. I miss the relationships where a girl and I dated without sex (and without her being a slut for everyone else) for months before we had sex. This is what dating used to be like for me. Now it's nothing like that.
@Art_Vandelay not trying to answer for the original opinion owner and not trying to sound red pill here. just trying to be based. i think women get more desparate as they age, cause they know that their "beauty" and their ability to have children, which are (let's not kid ourselfes here) still their biggest selling points when it comes to value on the dating market, are quickly fading.
meanwhile men typically keep going up the socio-economic food chain as they age, so their value as a "protector and provider" is rising. that's why it becomes easier with age.
@genericname85 Good observation.
Interesting, thanks for the insight.
I don't give a shit about being rejected - in the last five years, I've both been dumped, and been the one to end a relationship. So it is what it is. I don't think I *lack* confidence - I just lack the drive to actually try dating. I don't know how to create a successful online dating profile. I also don't know where/how to meet people offline in an organic fashion.
What do you mean by this last sentence? Why are there more available women than available men as we get older?
@genericname85 That doesn't sound redpill to me, it sounds like basic biology.
I'm not 100% sold on having kids. Women around my age are primarily looking for a guy who will give them that. Or, they're just not even serious at all and want to play the field. Seems there's no in-between.
I've also dated much older; I'm bound to believe that natural beauty never really fades.
@Art_Vandelay women your ages struggle with their hormones a lot. they wanna have a kid. that's it. they don't even care to have a plan how to even rise it or finance it. pure tunnel vision.
If you want a serious relationship, yes. If you want a hookup, it's much easier.
When I was 20 most of the people I knew were single but I was immature so it didn't matter. Now I'm a more stable and happy person but most of the amazing guys are married cause they had endless options when they were single.
Probably. More buffet style dating makes many try different things.
Absolutely,
•too many people want dating to be effortless and convenient;
•too many guys can't accept rejection and get verbally abusive when rejected, which caused women to ghost guys as a reaction, •people ghost each other over the most petty things,
•women don't conversate and make effort to get to know a guy,
•there's unrealistic expectations,
•women deny men over any slight awkwardness or saying 1 word wrong,
•any point of actual effort to find romance, women ghost men
•men almost never get compliments from women, unless they are super attractive.
•people don't actually get to know each other before getting into a relationship.
•people prefer to get into relationships if hookup sex is good.
•women very rarely ask men out
•too many women live only wanting the old standards for dating. Society has changed and the man can not pay for everything anymore, the price inflation has gone up so much, it takes 2 people putting their part in.
•what used to be signs of financial stability, signs of kind gesture... etc. have become so expected that they have lost all meaning.
• people don't do simple dates, like picnic in a beautiful scenic spots anymore.
•people view relationships as give & take, when they are supposed to be like best friends with romantic benefits.
Yes, too many options, lack of commitment, rise in hook up culture. The last guy I dated, a bit nerdy, a sweetheart, perfect boyfriend material. But he ended up wanting to be only 'friends'.(hookup) after treating me nice and showing genuine interest, I thought, what a waste of time why not say from date 1?
He also randomly asked ' would u ever be a golddigger?' I think even guys like him who are pure, haven't escaped the corruption that comes with growing up with social media, now the rise of OF and the use of apps like tinder which seems to be a hookup app. The type of guy you'd think wouldn't be into friends with benefits or ons, just shows that online dating has actually corrupted people's souls in my opinion
It depends on geographical location. In the West like America, it's become harder after OnlyFans (OF). Many younger heauxs won't even talk to dudes unless they pay for an OF subscription. You can still get laid on Tinder, Bumble, POF, etc.. etc.. but the quality of bytches isn't as great as it was 15 years ago because the hotter ones are all on IG or OF.
In the late 2000s it was easy to get hot women to phuck, even on MySpace and Facebook you could easily snag as many as you wanted. Luckily if you go overseas or even south of the border to Mexico, you can have sex with as many hot women as your heart desires. Especially if you're a white male from America, they all fetishize white men from America in these other countries. They'll even stalk and follow you everywhere in South-East Asia (Philippines, Thailand, etc) or Japan and want to have sex with you.
It seems to be for many. But it doesn’t have to be. It’s all about the types of people you surround yourself with. More immature and pop culture driven will be difficult. The more down to earth types who just want an honest and respectable date/relationship will jump at the chance to date and associate with those who are also down to earth, simple, mature, and in with reality
Yes it's harder for men but not for women. Even the ugliest girl can still get in a relationship. I have a female friends who is not my type she is not pretty but gets dick whenever she wanfs. Some girls end up single cuz their egos and standards are too high. It's hard for them to handle so many options so they became delusional with all that power so they want a certain specific guy who probably doesn't exist. But for some of us guys we don't even have a single soul by our side
Yes. There's no good men these days. 20 years ago if a guy liked a girl he'd do everything to improve himself to be worthy of her. Now, instead of that, guys become red pilled incels and complain that women have too high standards.
Yes, they have!
I'm icredibly close to my ideal, so saying that I don't work on myself is nonsense!
Yes and no, so the pool of people to date is huge now, my partner of many years I met online, we lived close by each other but not close enough that we would have had similar friends, the only time we would have had a chance to meet is local music shows, in saying that if studies are to be believed then people are not as happy in relationships as they once were, it would also seem that there is more infidelity etc etc
I would say no simply because 20 years ago I was a more ignorant teenager with my dating pool being likewise more ignorant teenage girls.
Compared to a decade ago, yeah, that's about when the difficulty curve changed in a negative direction, but I think more so because dating less readily available than hooking up.
yes it most deffinetly is and my lovers have done nothing but snake me so right niw am staying single for freedom from heartache and maybe look for a man one day av git my 7 inch dildo is excellant so right now am ok not dating and it is harder to date than it was years ago very difficult now a days
and its not only sex a want a guy for a want a man for love av never had proper full blown relashionship love or felt fully loved from the guys av been in relashionship av always been told am to nice with people rather than be nice to mysels more if i ever have a relashionship again i need proper love sweet loving man not a pure evil guy a recan a was just going for the wrong type years ago aswel now my types have changed
As far as I understand this topic, there's no reason for dating to be harder than any time ago. Circumstances changed over the decennia, but people adapt to the era they're raised in. For an unexperienced young person, dating is anyway difficult...
Yes but only for men. It is mainly because of social media which has caused the globalization of the sexual marketplace and inflation of female sexual mean value via cheap attention. Now women only go for the top 5 - 10% of men, which is confirmed by the swiping and chatting patterns of dating apps where anonymity is guranteed.
Not that I’m dating and haven’t for nearly 15 years, but I can imagine it’s much more difficult to date now. If you had a bad date in 2006, maybe a couple of friends would find out. If you have a bad date now, all she has to do is post the experience on social media and, now, he’s getting death threats.
My mum n dad say it is harder only coz we think of too much unnecessary stuff before going on date otherwise its easier
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In some ways it's easier with technology but that's what also unfortunately makes it harder. It's so much easier to cheat with technology or people not really taking dating seriously.
i'm sure it would be, also depending on your age. like, i bet 90% of people try to date online. i don't know of many who met their SO's offline. except for me, we met in college. and i feel like online is so shallow, these people go off looks first.
Dating was invented by prostitutes, so it's always been bad. Courting, on the other hand, is appropriate, and with the right person, is doable in these modern times.
What's the difference?
Flirting is more difficult as there are so many possibilities. (dating apps etc.) Because people have so many choices. That's why they forgot true love. Being faithful to someone for years seems silly to the 21st century man. I do not think like this. There will be only one man in my life that I will be faithful to.
There are a lot of places to find dates nowadays. More so when I was dating. There are dating sites. When I started dating there was college classes, college activities, Discos, churches. Laundromats
Laudromats, in case you get too dirty.
There's also the local pubs and grocery stores.
Time to hunt :D
Yeah it seems like it , you would think with all the dating apps that it would be easier, but it doesn’t seem to be especially trying to weed out all the scammers and catfish and then trying to find a woman that is being realistic with her standards
Well 20 years ago i was not even allowed to date yet lmao. I think dating (in terms of asking eachother out) is easier than ever. But i think staying faithful and honoring commitment is where people struggle
Yes, between overemphasis on sex, texting, social media, extended adolescence, and a host of other issues, dating and relationships have become much more complicated than they really need to be.
I will go back only 10 years as 20 years ago I was a child. Dating, as in just getting a date? It is easier. Relationships, though, are harder due to the ease of finding a replacement to date.
I swear, it's so much easier to attract women in my 30s than in my teens. Or even my 20s. And I'm married. I don't know why. It's probably a confidence thing.
Yes.. even tho my marriage was horrible I am contemplating going back to him.. since there ain't no body out here I want...
Dating today, with advancements in technology and shifting social norms, presents unique challenges and opportunities compared to 20 years ago, making it a different experience rather than simply harder.
So what's the solution?
People have high standards. 6s think they're 10s and miss out in other 6s.
Women get too much overwhelming attention, men get none. Then everyone gives up. 😂
I don't know because 20 years ago I was only 11 years old. I did not even start jerking off until I was 12.
LDR are More and Going Out and About is Harder because you Never Know Who is Lurking. lolxx
I'm 40 years old... trust me... I know.
Shit has been going way downhill between the sexes since about 2010.
Yeah it is. Been single for eight years now. Only guys that approach me want hookups, but no thanks.
For me, yes. Back then, I wasn’t trapped inside the flat, and having no Facebook and able to go just to my slow workshop. I remember tongue-kissing a girl 20 years ago, but didn’t know what dating was.
Dang you were tongue kissing at 6? You were an advanced six year old!
@annabananna Nu, it was more of a lizard kiss, ie we touched just our tongues, not our lips. It was around my sixth birthday during the bus ride from summer camp. The lassie I kissed was five months older than I. The counselor told us not to do it!
People these days just have no game sense, is all.
They think dating works like in the movies
YeH, most people on their phones and hav low standards and respect
Yes it's definitely harder because people are crazy. Not to mention people with issues and you lgbtqyzoeh its eight million genders now
I'm thinking of changing gender, so I have extra protection from the law.
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I don't know i'm at aschool back then now i'm all alone and ill a d physically bigger now so i think now
I think it is harder. People have more opportunities to communicate but nobody knows how to do it.
OMFG yes! Especially when you get older. Today, I rare even meet interesting single women. That might be interested in me. Internet kinda made that way harder. People have to many choices. Well women have too many choices.
Its harder because of technology and social disorders like #METO movement
40 years ago you didn't have all this bullshit.
I think it's much better now. Dating in the past used to be game of Pokemon, where you manage to trap people in unhappy marriages.
I don’t know. I didn’t date when I was 10. I get some of the single older generation of gag will have some great answers though.
Less people are committed to a LTR, and more people are getting into the LGBT confusion. Love used to feel so much more simple.
It's not hard, but it's harder to find the right person.
I would say no. I couldn't get a date to save my life when I was 8
It isn't. It was always full of bullshit and liw hygiene people/stinkers. Today they can just hide behind computers and go unnoticed in that regard.
No way... is wayyyyyy easier today with the internet and social media..
20 years ago people actually had to go out and talk to each other in person... and not sit at home behind a computer screen
It was easy. Girls generally seemed to like us back then and it was more face to face.
No it’s easier, only harder for ugly men. Far easier for women as social media connects women with men internationally that can fulfill their long list of preferences
Well most guys are atemindated by women and approach them because majority of men have mistreated women with toxicity in past relationships so women have gotten extremely picky now and for good reason but don't understand they are the problem.
Yes its harder, but only for men if you control for age. Dating gets easier for a man the older and more established he gets.
Dating no matter when has always been a lot of work, then and now.
Yes, it is harder to date than 20 years ago, that I do agree.
Yes. Men and women don't look after ourselves anymore so you've all these 4s who expect to date 9s.
Probably but at the same time I don't think so because there are more options and there's more knowledge accessible about red flags and things that are considered good in dating. At the same time I can't judge because I haven't dated so much.
with the internet and social media, you have to compare your self others and research your your partner online.
Its a matter of perspective.
I Would say its different but the same. More options and opportunities but more problems as well.
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